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tyler90az
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2/28/2012 2:52:21 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is bridging gaps with all religions. The Church establishes connections with all faiths, with the motive to unite people together, regardless of differences in religion. That is why it is sad that people accuse The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints of being hate mongers. The link below is one example of how we have love for all people, of all religions.

"The truth we share is always greater and more important than our differences." —Stephen Jones, dean of the College of Fine Arts and Communications at Brigham Young University

http://www.lds.org...

How important is it for religions to bridge gaps? In your opinion, how can that be done effectively?
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2/28/2012 4:03:56 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
No one I've ever heard has called them hate-mongers, however, this is the very reason that Mormons are not considered Christians.

There is NO way, I repeat. NO way, that all religions can be correct.

All the Mormon church does is tries WAY to hard to "fit-in" and be politically correct, throwing out beliefs, and bring new ones in when necessary.
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2/28/2012 4:17:01 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/28/2012 2:52:21 PM, tyler90az wrote:
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is bridging gaps with all religions. The Church establishes connections with all faiths, with the motive to unite people together, regardless of differences in religion. That is why it is sad that people accuse The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints of being hate mongers. The link below is one example of how we have love for all people, of all religions.

"The truth we share is always greater and more important than our differences." —Stephen Jones, dean of the College of Fine Arts and Communications at Brigham Young University

http://www.lds.org...

How important is it for religions to bridge gaps? In your opinion, how can that be done effectively?

The best way to establish the veracity of the claim is to open the LDS library to research from others, without limitation. How interesting this goes up as Romney hits a hicup. Most know LDS will lie if it needs to and this looks like more of the same. Come to think of it, Islam permits lying too, go figure.
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2/28/2012 4:27:50 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/28/2012 2:52:21 PM, tyler90az wrote:
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is bridging gaps with all religions. The Church establishes connections with all faiths, with the motive to unite people together, regardless of differences in religion. That is why it is sad that people accuse The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints of being hate mongers. The link below is one example of how we have love for all people, of all religions.

"The truth we share is always greater and more important than our differences." —Stephen Jones, dean of the College of Fine Arts and Communications at Brigham Young University

http://www.lds.org...

How important is it for religions to bridge gaps? In your opinion, how can that be done effectively?

When Jesus said that it was only through him that anyone can come to the Father, Christianity immediately became an 'exclusive' religion. Ecumenism is a ignorant response to try to bandage irreconcilable faiths. I don't know anyone who calls Mormons hate mongerors but ecumenism is clearly un-biblical. <sarcasm> But who considers the Bible to be what Christians believe anyways!?! </sarcasm> However noble it be to work with love with people of different faiths 'accepting' their beliefs while maintaining that yours (ambiguous) is the only truth is dishonest.
logicrules
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2/28/2012 4:51:34 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/28/2012 4:27:50 PM, joneszj wrote:
At 2/28/2012 2:52:21 PM, tyler90az wrote:
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is bridging gaps with all religions. The Church establishes connections with all faiths, with the motive to unite people together, regardless of differences in religion. That is why it is sad that people accuse The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints of being hate mongers. The link below is one example of how we have love for all people, of all religions.

"The truth we share is always greater and more important than our differences." —Stephen Jones, dean of the College of Fine Arts and Communications at Brigham Young University

http://www.lds.org...

How important is it for religions to bridge gaps? In your opinion, how can that be done effectively?

When Jesus said that it was only through him that anyone can come to the Father, Christianity immediately became an 'exclusive' religion. Ecumenism is a ignorant response to try to bandage irreconcilable faiths. I don't know anyone who calls Mormons hate mongerors but ecumenism is clearly un-biblical. <sarcasm> But who considers the Bible to be what Christians believe anyways!?! </sarcasm> However noble it be to work with love with people of different faiths 'accepting' their beliefs while maintaining that yours (ambiguous) is the only truth is dishonest.

Just gotta hate that Jesus character. I mean how dare he say that, and in the bible, what was he thinkin. I mean, who is he to first claim that he is, then to say only through him can one get to the father, and then he had the audacity to send his spirit as a guide and defense counsel. If only he would have had those Gold Plated and hat to translate, he would have known better. If only he knew that all those dark skined people bore the mark of cain, he wouldn't have been so brash. What was He thinkin?
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2/28/2012 7:01:05 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
"The truth we share is always greater and more important than our differences." —Stephen Jones, dean of the College of Fine Arts and Communications at Brigham Young University

@Logicrules and Jones
Does your religion say to hate Islamic people? I think it is what you guys are spewing that gets us hated.

Also to say that the Bible does not teach ecumenism, is completely false. After all the second great commandment is, "love thy neighbor." Furthermore, to say that religions should not bridge gaps is simply foolish. Do you know how many wars have been started because of that thought?

@Oberherr
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints does not teach that all religions are 100% correct. The Church teaches that all religions hold some truth. Within the Church you can see that, when I look at other religions I see pieces that are in my religion.
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logicrules
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2/29/2012 6:43:46 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/28/2012 7:01:05 PM, tyler90az wrote:
"The truth we share is always greater and more important than our differences." —Stephen Jones, dean of the College of Fine Arts and Communications at Brigham Young University

@Logicrules and Jones
Does your religion say to hate Islamic people? I think it is what you guys are spewing that gets us hated.

Also to say that the Bible does not teach ecumenism, is completely false. After all the second great commandment is, "love thy neighbor." Furthermore, to say that religions should not bridge gaps is simply foolish. Do you know how many wars have been started because of that thought?

@Oberherr
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints does not teach that all religions are 100% correct. The Church teaches that all religions hold some truth. Within the Church you can see that, when I look at other religions I see pieces that are in my religion.

Lets get some Basics, non religious. Hate is an emotion common to all. It is of itself neutral. Your use of the term is obtuse. To accuse those who point out the inconsistencies of your paradigm is blatant irrational behavior. or lying with intention. LDS has no more intention of "bridging a gap" than The Jewish religion has to acknowledge the Resurrection. LDS, by it omission of information about itself lies regularly, aas an institution. The only issue is one's culpability in the lies.
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2/29/2012 7:21:56 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/28/2012 7:01:05 PM, tyler90az wrote:
"The truth we share is always greater and more important than our differences." —Stephen Jones, dean of the College of Fine Arts and Communications at Brigham Young University

@Logicrules and Jones
Does your religion say to hate Islamic people? I think it is what you guys are spewing that gets us hated.

We can love the people and hate their (false) religion. Its not much different then a right wing capitalistic republican love the people with left wing marxist views while hating their views and loving the person. I thought I said "However noble it be to work with love with people of different faiths 'accepting' their beliefs while maintaining that yours (ambiguous) is the only truth is dishonest.".... Maybe I didn't.

Also to say that the Bible does not teach ecumenism, is completely false. After all the second great commandment is, "love thy neighbor." Furthermore, to say that religions should not bridge gaps is simply foolish. Do you know how many wars have been started because of that thought?

You made two statements here:
1 the Bible teaches ecumanism
-Where? The Bible has pretty strict 'notions' (lolz for logicrules) about God and salvation that Christians very strongly disagree with. Just in the same way a Catholic and Protestant disagree on things but can still get along so it is with every other system of belief that differentiates from others. But 'getting along' is not ecumenism as it is commonly coined. Ecumenism means one thing (unity and increased understanding between different faiths) which I am all for but in my experience ecumenism refers to something much different almost synonymous to the interfaith movement.

2 Its foolish to bridge gaps between religions
What kind of gaps? Are you saying that Christians should compromise their doctrines for the sake of unity? Or put another way, to trade truth for false unity? I am absolutely against the idea. If you mean simply clearing the many misconceptions of other faith systems then I am all for that.

@Oberherr
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints does not teach that all religions are 100% correct. The Church teaches that all religions hold some truth. Within the Church you can see that, when I look at other religions I see pieces that are in my religion.

For the sake of clearing misconceptions using phrases and terms like 'filling the gaps' and the way I use 'ecumanism' it would be best to clarify what we mean :)
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2/29/2012 10:07:10 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/28/2012 4:27:50 PM, joneszj wrote:
At 2/28/2012 2:52:21 PM, tyler90az wrote:
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is bridging gaps with all religions. The Church establishes connections with all faiths, with the motive to unite people together, regardless of differences in religion. That is why it is sad that people accuse The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints of being hate mongers. The link below is one example of how we have love for all people, of all religions.

"The truth we share is always greater and more important than our differences." —Stephen Jones, dean of the College of Fine Arts and Communications at Brigham Young University

http://www.lds.org...

How important is it for religions to bridge gaps? In your opinion, how can that be done effectively?

When Jesus said that it was only through him that anyone can come to the Father, Christianity immediately became an 'exclusive' religion. Ecumenism is a ignorant response to try to bandage irreconcilable faiths. I don't know anyone who calls Mormons hate mongerors but ecumenism is clearly un-biblical. <sarcasm> But who considers the Bible to be what Christians believe anyways!?! </sarcasm> However noble it be to work with love with people of different faiths 'accepting' their beliefs while maintaining that yours (ambiguous) is the only truth is dishonest.

Instilling peace and love is what Christ teaches.
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2/29/2012 10:15:04 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/29/2012 10:07:10 AM, yoda878 wrote:
At 2/28/2012 4:27:50 PM, joneszj wrote:
At 2/28/2012 2:52:21 PM, tyler90az wrote:
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is bridging gaps with all religions. The Church establishes connections with all faiths, with the motive to unite people together, regardless of differences in religion. That is why it is sad that people accuse The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints of being hate mongers. The link below is one example of how we have love for all people, of all religions.

"The truth we share is always greater and more important than our differences." —Stephen Jones, dean of the College of Fine Arts and Communications at Brigham Young University

http://www.lds.org...

How important is it for religions to bridge gaps? In your opinion, how can that be done effectively?

When Jesus said that it was only through him that anyone can come to the Father, Christianity immediately became an 'exclusive' religion. Ecumenism is a ignorant response to try to bandage irreconcilable faiths. I don't know anyone who calls Mormons hate mongerors but ecumenism is clearly un-biblical. <sarcasm> But who considers the Bible to be what Christians believe anyways!?! </sarcasm> However noble it be to work with love with people of different faiths 'accepting' their beliefs while maintaining that yours (ambiguous) is the only truth is dishonest.

Instilling peace and love is what Christ teaches.

Wrong again, ...God is Love and His peace is chaos because it opposes the masses.
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2/29/2012 10:37:35 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/29/2012 10:15:04 AM, logicrules wrote:
At 2/29/2012 10:07:10 AM, yoda878 wrote:
At 2/28/2012 4:27:50 PM, joneszj wrote:
At 2/28/2012 2:52:21 PM, tyler90az wrote:
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is bridging gaps with all religions. The Church establishes connections with all faiths, with the motive to unite people together, regardless of differences in religion. That is why it is sad that people accuse The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints of being hate mongers. The link below is one example of how we have love for all people, of all religions.

"The truth we share is always greater and more important than our differences." —Stephen Jones, dean of the College of Fine Arts and Communications at Brigham Young University

http://www.lds.org...

How important is it for religions to bridge gaps? In your opinion, how can that be done effectively?

When Jesus said that it was only through him that anyone can come to the Father, Christianity immediately became an 'exclusive' religion. Ecumenism is a ignorant response to try to bandage irreconcilable faiths. I don't know anyone who calls Mormons hate mongerors but ecumenism is clearly un-biblical. <sarcasm> But who considers the Bible to be what Christians believe anyways!?! </sarcasm> However noble it be to work with love with people of different faiths 'accepting' their beliefs while maintaining that yours (ambiguous) is the only truth is dishonest.

Instilling peace and love is what Christ teaches.

Wrong again, ...God is Love and His peace is chaos because it opposes the masses.

I believe he told us to be Peaceful actually he made it very clear..

KJV Mt 10:13
He commands them to preach and heal the sick 13 And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it: but if it be not worthy, let your peace return to you.
KJV Mt 10:34
He fortifies them against persecutions 34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
KJV Mt 20:31
By answering the mother of Zebedee's children, He teaches His disciples to be humble 31 And the multitude rebuked them, because they should hold their peace: but they cried the more, saying, Have mercy on us, O Lord, thou Son of David.
KJV Mt 26:63
He is carried to Caiaphas 63 But Jesus held his peace. And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God.
KJV Mk 1:25
He heals one who had an unclean spirit 25 And Jesus rebuked him, saying, Hold thy peace, and come out of him.
KJV Mk 3:4
Christ heals a withered hand 4 And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? But they held their peace.
KJV Mk 4:39
Christ stills the tempest on the sea 39 And he arose, and rebuked the wind, and said unto the sea, Peace, be still. And the wind ceased, and there was a great calm.
KJV Mk 5:34
When Christ delivers the man possessed by the legion of devils 34 And he said unto her, Daughter, thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace, and be whole of thy plague. KJV Mk 9:34
and foretells His death and resurrection 34 But they held their peace: for by the way they had disputed among themselves, who should be the greatest.
KJV Mk 9:50
and foretells His death and resurrection 50 Salt is good: but if the salt have lost his saltness, wherewith will ye season it? Have salt in yourselves, and have peace one with another. KJV Mk 10:48
He restores sight to Bartimaeus 48 And many charged him that he should hold his peace: but he cried the more a great deal, Thou Son of David, have mercy on me.
KJV Mk 14:61
and falsely accused and condemned by the Jewish council 61 But he held his peace, and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?
KJV Lk 1:79
The prophecy of Zacharias, about Christ 79 To give light to them that sit in darkness and in the shadow of death, to guide our feet into the way of peace.
KJV Lk 2:14
An angel announces it to shepherds 14 Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.
KJV Lk 2:29
Simeon and Anna prophesy of Jesus 29 Lord, now lettest thou thy servant depart in peace, according to thy word:
KJV Lk 4:35
and begins to preach 35 And Jesus rebuked him, saying, Hold thy peace, and come out of him. And when the devil had thrown him in the midst, he came out of him, and hurt him not.
KJV Lk 7:50
and shows, by example of the sinful woman, He is a friend to sinners 50 And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace. KJV Lk 8:48
He rebukes the wind 48 And he said unto her, Daughter, be of good comfort: thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace.
KJV Lk 10:5
Christ sends out seventy disciples at one time to work miracles and to preach 5 And into whatsoever house ye enter, first say, Peace be to this house.
KJV Lk 10:6
Christ sends out seventy disciples at one time to work miracles and to preach 6 And if the son of peace be there, your peace shall rest upon it: if not, it shall turn to you again.
KJV Lk 11:21
Casting out a dumb devil, He rebukes the blasphemous Pharisees 21 When a strong man armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace:
KJV Lk 12:51
Christ's ministers are to be faithful 51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:
KJV Lk 14:4
Christ heals the dropsical man on the sabbath 4 And they held their peace. And he took him, and healed him, and let him go;
KJV Lk 14:32
Many would follow Him but, learning that each disciple must shoulder his own cross, desert 32 Or else, while the other is yet a great way off, he sendeth an ambassage, and desireth conditions of peace.
KJV Lk 18:39
He restores sight to a blind man 39 And they which went before rebuked him, that he should hold his peace: but he cried so much the more, Thou Son of David, have mercy on me.
KJV Lk 19:38
Christ rides into Jerusalem in triumph 38 Saying, Blessed be the King that cometh in the name of the Lord: peace in heaven, and glory in the highest.
KJV Lk 19:40
Christ rides into Jerusalem in triumph 40 And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out. KJV Lk 19:42
He weeps over the city 42 Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes.
KJV Lk 20:26
The parable of the vineyard 26 And they could not take hold of his words before the people: and they marvelled at his answer, and held their peace. KJV Lk 24:36
Afterwards He appears to the apostles and reproves their unbelief 36 And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
KJV Jn 14:27
requests love and obedience 27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid. KJV Jn 16:33
He assures them that their prayers made in His name will be answered by His Father 33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world. KJV Jn 20:19
and to His disciples 19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
KJV Jn 20:21
and to His disciples 21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.
KJV Jn 20:26
and to His disciples 26 And after eight days agai
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2/29/2012 11:10:19 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/29/2012 10:37:35 AM, yoda878 wrote:
At 2/29/2012 10:15:04 AM, logicrules wrote:
At 2/29/2012 10:07:10 AM, yoda878 wrote:
At 2/28/2012 4:27:50 PM, joneszj wrote:
At 2/28/2012 2:52:21 PM, tyler90az wrote:

Well what a shame you have no idea concerning the differences between God and Satan. Your beliefs are not in question, it is you abject denial of Truth and fact.
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2/29/2012 11:59:03 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Lets get some Basics, non religious. Hate is an emotion common to all. It is of itself neutral. Your use of the term is obtuse. To accuse those who point out the inconsistencies of your paradigm is blatant irrational behavior. or lying with intention. LDS has no more intention of "bridging a gap" than The Jewish religion has to acknowledge the Resurrection. LDS, by it omission of information about itself lies regularly, aas an institution. The only issue is one's culpability in the lies.

I never accused you of that, I simply asked. I know that Catholicism, from what I have seen does not teach hate. My motive was to align your thoughts with what you were taught. Although it was more directed at Jones, from his post that we should not bridge gaps.

You are also missing the meaning of bridging gaps. The objective it not to change peoples religions or make them believe in the Savior. The objective is to be friend our neighbors. Let Muslims know we don't hate them, we actually love them. That is what Jesus taught and is what The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is doing by bridging gaps.
Today we begin in earnest the work of making sure that the world we leave our children is just a little bit better than the one we inhabit today. - President Obama
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2/29/2012 12:11:53 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/29/2012 11:59:03 AM, tyler90az wrote:
Lets get some Basics, non religious. Hate is an emotion common to all. It is of itself neutral. Your use of the term is obtuse. To accuse those who point out the inconsistencies of your paradigm is blatant irrational behavior. or lying with intention. LDS has no more intention of "bridging a gap" than The Jewish religion has to acknowledge the Resurrection. LDS, by it omission of information about itself lies regularly, aas an institution. The only issue is one's culpability in the lies.

I never accused you of that, I simply asked. I know that Catholicism, from what I have seen does not teach hate. My motive was to align your thoughts with what you were taught. Although it was more directed at Jones, from his post that we should not bridge gaps.

You are also missing the meaning of bridging gaps. The objective it not to change peoples religions or make them believe in the Savior. The objective is to be friend our neighbors. Let Muslims know we don't hate them, we actually love them. That is what Jesus taught and is what The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is doing by bridging gaps.

Did I say to hate Muslims....? Oh funny! I thought I said "We can love the people and hate their (false) religion."...

As for: "The objective it not to change peoples religions or make them believe in the Savior." why not? Is that possible? Are you alluding to a form of passive aggressive preaching style? "Preach the gospel, if necessary use words" type method? I thought Jesus said pretty specifically to go out and make disciples. Are you saying to win them over in love? Even though its not apparent that is still a form of passive evangelism. I find it difficult to claim you love someone and yet never evangelize to them. <sarcasm> They will never know about becoming like God as He is now, and having a world of your own to glorify and infinite regression of Fathers. </sarcasm> Also keep in mind that it takes two to mingle. The Mormons may be willing to compromise what they believe in so they can hold hands in some form of interfaith relationship but that does not mean the Muslims would be so "sacrificial".
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2/29/2012 3:45:50 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 2/29/2012 11:59:03 AM, tyler90az wrote:
Lets get some Basics, non religious. Hate is an emotion common to all. It is of itself neutral. Your use of the term is obtuse. To accuse those who point out the inconsistencies of your paradigm is blatant irrational behavior. or lying with intention. LDS has no more intention of "bridging a gap" than The Jewish religion has to acknowledge the Resurrection. LDS, by it omission of information about itself lies regularly, aas an institution. The only issue is one's culpability in the lies.

I never accused you of that, I simply asked. I know that Catholicism, from what I have seen does not teach hate. My motive was to align your thoughts with what you were taught. Although it was more directed at Jones, from his post that we should not bridge gaps.

You are also missing the meaning of bridging gaps. The objective it not to change peoples religions or make them believe in the Savior. The objective is to be friend our neighbors. Let Muslims know we don't hate them, we actually love them. That is what Jesus taught and is what The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is doing by bridging gaps.

The truth is never Hate, in fact it is Always Love because they are the same. You choose to ignore Truth in favor of self, ergo you can not be for Love. As to objective, LDS has no good objectives if they have any as ALL seem subject to change. Love is God.