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logicrules
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3/5/2012 7:38:12 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
A religion, from an acedemic perspective, has a numer of characteristics. While the substance of each will vary greatly, ALL religions share the basics.
1. A higher power
2. Sacred Texts
3. Heroes or Saints
4. Sacred Places
5. Rules
6. People who enforce the rules
7. Relics, items of importance from the past

The higher power does not need to be living, it could be science, or anything else that governs ones beliefs and/or thoughts, which is sought or pursued. In the US this higher power would be Money. Then we have, in the above order, the Constitution, Founding fathers et al., Washington DC and battlefield,. Law, Judges and cops, Smithsonian. Thus, it is possible to make a religion of patriotism.

In fact, if the absence of a higher power is one's belief, it is then a condition of a religious construct, particularly if it forms and contributes to actions and choices.
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3/5/2012 7:47:59 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/5/2012 7:43:07 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
What is the "sacred text" of Atheism?

Depends.....might be "The origin of species" or, based on some of the arguments on here they seem to quote the bible alot.
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3/5/2012 7:54:55 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/5/2012 7:38:12 AM, logicrules wrote:
A religion, from an acedemic perspective, has a numer of characteristics. While the substance of each will vary greatly, ALL religions share the basics.
1. A higher power
2. Sacred Texts
3. Heroes or Saints
4. Sacred Places
5. Rules
6. People who enforce the rules
7. Relics, items of importance from the past

The higher power does not need to be living, it could be science, or anything else that governs ones beliefs and/or thoughts, which is sought or pursued. In the US this higher power would be Money. Then we have, in the above order, the Constitution, Founding fathers et al., Washington DC and battlefield,. Law, Judges and cops, Smithsonian. Thus, it is possible to make a religion of patriotism.

In fact, if the absence of a higher power is one's belief, it is then a condition of a religious construct, particularly if it forms and contributes to actions and choices.

Atheism has none of those things.
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3/5/2012 7:58:52 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/5/2012 7:54:55 AM, drafterman wrote:
At 3/5/2012 7:38:12 AM, logicrules wrote:
A religion, from an acedemic perspective, has a numer of characteristics. While the substance of each will vary greatly, ALL religions share the basics.
1. A higher power
2. Sacred Texts
3. Heroes or Saints
4. Sacred Places
5. Rules
6. People who enforce the rules
7. Relics, items of importance from the past

The higher power does not need to be living, it could be science, or anything else that governs ones beliefs and/or thoughts, which is sought or pursued. In the US this higher power would be Money. Then we have, in the above order, the Constitution, Founding fathers et al., Washington DC and battlefield,. Law, Judges and cops, Smithsonian. Thus, it is possible to make a religion of patriotism.

In fact, if the absence of a higher power is one's belief, it is then a condition of a religious construct, particularly if it forms and contributes to actions and choices.


Atheism has none of those things.

No rules, no laws, mmmm o ya got nothin?
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3/5/2012 8:00:36 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/5/2012 7:58:52 AM, logicrules wrote:
At 3/5/2012 7:54:55 AM, drafterman wrote:
At 3/5/2012 7:38:12 AM, logicrules wrote:
A religion, from an acedemic perspective, has a numer of characteristics. While the substance of each will vary greatly, ALL religions share the basics.
1. A higher power
2. Sacred Texts
3. Heroes or Saints
4. Sacred Places
5. Rules
6. People who enforce the rules
7. Relics, items of importance from the past

The higher power does not need to be living, it could be science, or anything else that governs ones beliefs and/or thoughts, which is sought or pursued. In the US this higher power would be Money. Then we have, in the above order, the Constitution, Founding fathers et al., Washington DC and battlefield,. Law, Judges and cops, Smithsonian. Thus, it is possible to make a religion of patriotism.

In fact, if the absence of a higher power is one's belief, it is then a condition of a religious construct, particularly if it forms and contributes to actions and choices.


Atheism has none of those things.

No rules, no laws, mmmm o ya got nothin?

Not regarding atheism, nope.
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3/5/2012 8:05:05 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/5/2012 8:00:36 AM, drafterman wrote:
At 3/5/2012 7:58:52 AM, logicrules wrote:
At 3/5/2012 7:54:55 AM, drafterman wrote:
At 3/5/2012 7:38:12 AM, logicrules wrote:
A religion, from an acedemic perspective, has a numer of characteristics. While the substance of each will vary greatly, ALL religions share the basics.
1. A higher power
2. Sacred Texts
3. Heroes or Saints
4. Sacred Places
5. Rules
6. People who enforce the rules
7. Relics, items of importance from the past

The higher power does not need to be living, it could be science, or anything else that governs ones beliefs and/or thoughts, which is sought or pursued. In the US this higher power would be Money. Then we have, in the above order, the Constitution, Founding fathers et al., Washington DC and battlefield,. Law, Judges and cops, Smithsonian. Thus, it is possible to make a religion of patriotism.

In fact, if the absence of a higher power is one's belief, it is then a condition of a religious construct, particularly if it forms and contributes to actions and choices.


Atheism has none of those things.

No rules, no laws, mmmm o ya got nothin?

Not regarding atheism, nope.

Thus, according to you, atheism has nothing....great.
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3/5/2012 8:06:02 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/5/2012 8:05:05 AM, logicrules wrote:
At 3/5/2012 8:00:36 AM, drafterman wrote:
At 3/5/2012 7:58:52 AM, logicrules wrote:
At 3/5/2012 7:54:55 AM, drafterman wrote:
At 3/5/2012 7:38:12 AM, logicrules wrote:
A religion, from an acedemic perspective, has a numer of characteristics. While the substance of each will vary greatly, ALL religions share the basics.
1. A higher power
2. Sacred Texts
3. Heroes or Saints
4. Sacred Places
5. Rules
6. People who enforce the rules
7. Relics, items of importance from the past

The higher power does not need to be living, it could be science, or anything else that governs ones beliefs and/or thoughts, which is sought or pursued. In the US this higher power would be Money. Then we have, in the above order, the Constitution, Founding fathers et al., Washington DC and battlefield,. Law, Judges and cops, Smithsonian. Thus, it is possible to make a religion of patriotism.

In fact, if the absence of a higher power is one's belief, it is then a condition of a religious construct, particularly if it forms and contributes to actions and choices.


Atheism has none of those things.

No rules, no laws, mmmm o ya got nothin?

Not regarding atheism, nope.

Thus, according to you, atheism has nothing....great.

I fail to see what the issue is. Atheism is a descriptor, nothing more.
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3/5/2012 8:09:35 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/5/2012 8:06:02 AM, drafterman wrote:
At 3/5/2012 8:05:05 AM, logicrules wrote:
At 3/5/2012 8:00:36 AM, drafterman wrote:
At 3/5/2012 7:58:52 AM, logicrules wrote:
At 3/5/2012 7:54:55 AM, drafterman wrote:
At 3/5/2012 7:38:12 AM, logicrules wrote:
A religion, from an acedemic perspective, has a numer of characteristics. While the substance of each will vary greatly, ALL religions share the basics.
1. A higher power
2. Sacred Texts
3. Heroes or Saints
4. Sacred Places
5. Rules
6. People who enforce the rules
7. Relics, items of importance from the past

The higher power does not need to be living, it could be science, or anything else that governs ones beliefs and/or thoughts, which is sought or pursued. In the US this higher power would be Money. Then we have, in the above order, the Constitution, Founding fathers et al., Washington DC and battlefield,. Law, Judges and cops, Smithsonian. Thus, it is possible to make a religion of patriotism.

In fact, if the absence of a higher power is one's belief, it is then a condition of a religious construct, particularly if it forms and contributes to actions and choices.


Atheism has none of those things.

No rules, no laws, mmmm o ya got nothin?

Not regarding atheism, nope.

Thus, according to you, atheism has nothing....great.

I fail to see what the issue is. Atheism is a descriptor, nothing more.

Got it....describes nothing.
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3/5/2012 8:11:17 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/5/2012 8:06:02 AM, drafterman wrote:
At 3/5/2012 8:05:05 AM, logicrules wrote:
At 3/5/2012 8:00:36 AM, drafterman wrote:
At 3/5/2012 7:58:52 AM, logicrules wrote:
At 3/5/2012 7:54:55 AM, drafterman wrote:
At 3/5/2012 7:38:12 AM, logicrules wrote:
A religion, from an acedemic perspective, has a numer of characteristics. While the substance of each will vary greatly, ALL religions share the basics.
1. A higher power
2. Sacred Texts
3. Heroes or Saints
4. Sacred Places
5. Rules
6. People who enforce the rules
7. Relics, items of importance from the past

The higher power does not need to be living, it could be science, or anything else that governs ones beliefs and/or thoughts, which is sought or pursued. In the US this higher power would be Money. Then we have, in the above order, the Constitution, Founding fathers et al., Washington DC and battlefield,. Law, Judges and cops, Smithsonian. Thus, it is possible to make a religion of patriotism.

In fact, if the absence of a higher power is one's belief, it is then a condition of a religious construct, particularly if it forms and contributes to actions and choices.


Atheism has none of those things.

No rules, no laws, mmmm o ya got nothin?

Not regarding atheism, nope.

Thus, according to you, atheism has nothing....great.

I fail to see what the issue is. Atheism is a descriptor, nothing more.

Here's the kicker: theism isn't a religion either, it's a discriptor too.

Atheism is merely the negation of theism.
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3/5/2012 8:12:11 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/5/2012 8:09:35 AM, logicrules wrote:
At 3/5/2012 8:06:02 AM, drafterman wrote:
At 3/5/2012 8:05:05 AM, logicrules wrote:
At 3/5/2012 8:00:36 AM, drafterman wrote:
At 3/5/2012 7:58:52 AM, logicrules wrote:
At 3/5/2012 7:54:55 AM, drafterman wrote:
At 3/5/2012 7:38:12 AM, logicrules wrote:
A religion, from an acedemic perspective, has a numer of characteristics. While the substance of each will vary greatly, ALL religions share the basics.
1. A higher power
2. Sacred Texts
3. Heroes or Saints
4. Sacred Places
5. Rules
6. People who enforce the rules
7. Relics, items of importance from the past

The higher power does not need to be living, it could be science, or anything else that governs ones beliefs and/or thoughts, which is sought or pursued. In the US this higher power would be Money. Then we have, in the above order, the Constitution, Founding fathers et al., Washington DC and battlefield,. Law, Judges and cops, Smithsonian. Thus, it is possible to make a religion of patriotism.

In fact, if the absence of a higher power is one's belief, it is then a condition of a religious construct, particularly if it forms and contributes to actions and choices.


Atheism has none of those things.

No rules, no laws, mmmm o ya got nothin?

Not regarding atheism, nope.

Thus, according to you, atheism has nothing....great.

I fail to see what the issue is. Atheism is a descriptor, nothing more.

Got it....describes nothing.

Well... no, it describes atheism. Hence it being a discriptor. It doesn't however, have any of those items you mentioned that would make it a religion.
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3/5/2012 8:27:58 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/5/2012 8:12:11 AM, drafterman wrote:
At 3/5/2012 8:09:35 AM, logicrules wrote:
At 3/5/2012 8:06:02 AM, drafterman wrote:
At 3/5/2012 8:05:05 AM, logicrules wrote:
At 3/5/2012 8:00:36 AM, drafterman wrote:
At 3/5/2012 7:58:52 AM, logicrules wrote:
At 3/5/2012 7:54:55 AM, drafterman wrote:
At 3/5/2012 7:38:12 AM, logicrules wrote:
A religion, from an acedemic perspective, has a numer of characteristics. While the substance of each will vary greatly, ALL religions share the basics.
1. A higher power
2. Sacred Texts
3. Heroes or Saints
4. Sacred Places
5. Rules
6. People who enforce the rules
7. Relics, items of importance from the past

The higher power does not need to be living, it could be science, or anything else that governs ones beliefs and/or thoughts, which is sought or pursued. In the US this higher power would be Money. Then we have, in the above order, the Constitution, Founding fathers et al., Washington DC and battlefield,. Law, Judges and cops, Smithsonian. Thus, it is possible to make a religion of patriotism.

In fact, if the absence of a higher power is one's belief, it is then a condition of a religious construct, particularly if it forms and contributes to actions and choices.


Atheism has none of those things.

No rules, no laws, mmmm o ya got nothin?

Not regarding atheism, nope.

Thus, according to you, atheism has nothing....great.

I fail to see what the issue is. Atheism is a descriptor, nothing more.

Got it....describes nothing.

Well... no, it describes atheism. Hence it being a discriptor. It doesn't however, have any of those items you mentioned that would make it a religion.

Got it.....it describes nothing....no rules, no past, no heroes.....got it.
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3/5/2012 8:35:27 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/5/2012 8:27:58 AM, logicrules wrote:
At 3/5/2012 8:12:11 AM, drafterman wrote:
At 3/5/2012 8:09:35 AM, logicrules wrote:
At 3/5/2012 8:06:02 AM, drafterman wrote:
At 3/5/2012 8:05:05 AM, logicrules wrote:
At 3/5/2012 8:00:36 AM, drafterman wrote:
At 3/5/2012 7:58:52 AM, logicrules wrote:
At 3/5/2012 7:54:55 AM, drafterman wrote:
At 3/5/2012 7:38:12 AM, logicrules wrote:
A religion, from an acedemic perspective, has a numer of characteristics. While the substance of each will vary greatly, ALL religions share the basics.
1. A higher power
2. Sacred Texts
3. Heroes or Saints
4. Sacred Places
5. Rules
6. People who enforce the rules
7. Relics, items of importance from the past

The higher power does not need to be living, it could be science, or anything else that governs ones beliefs and/or thoughts, which is sought or pursued. In the US this higher power would be Money. Then we have, in the above order, the Constitution, Founding fathers et al., Washington DC and battlefield,. Law, Judges and cops, Smithsonian. Thus, it is possible to make a religion of patriotism.

In fact, if the absence of a higher power is one's belief, it is then a condition of a religious construct, particularly if it forms and contributes to actions and choices.


Atheism has none of those things.

No rules, no laws, mmmm o ya got nothin?

Not regarding atheism, nope.

Thus, according to you, atheism has nothing....great.

I fail to see what the issue is. Atheism is a descriptor, nothing more.

Got it....describes nothing.

Well... no, it describes atheism. Hence it being a discriptor. It doesn't however, have any of those items you mentioned that would make it a religion.

Got it.....it describes nothing....no rules, no past, no heroes.....got it.

No, you don't "got it."

It describes not believing in a god, but that's not on your list, so it doesn't describe anything on your list. To say that this means it describes "nothing" implies there is nothing else to describe but what's on your list. I doubt you seriously mean this, so you're just deliberately exaggerating things because....? (not rhetorical)
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3/5/2012 8:44:49 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/5/2012 8:35:27 AM, drafterman wrote:

No, you don't "got it."

It describes not believing in a god, but that's not on your list, so it doesn't describe anything on your list. To say that this means it describes "nothing" implies there is nothing else to describe but what's on your list. I doubt you seriously mean this, so you're just deliberately exaggerating things because....? (not rhetorical)

Yes, I do have it....it describes nothing. Seems it is you who might have the need to make nothing be something. I got it...still nothing.
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3/5/2012 9:03:14 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/5/2012 8:44:49 AM, logicrules wrote:
At 3/5/2012 8:35:27 AM, drafterman wrote:

No, you don't "got it."

It describes not believing in a god, but that's not on your list, so it doesn't describe anything on your list. To say that this means it describes "nothing" implies there is nothing else to describe but what's on your list. I doubt you seriously mean this, so you're just deliberately exaggerating things because....? (not rhetorical)

Yes, I do have it....it describes nothing on my list. Seems it is you who might have the need to make nothing be something. I got it...still nothing.

Fixed your post for you. You're welcome. When you want to respond to what I've actually said, I'm listening. Or do you not think you the only way you can make a point is by ignoring what people say in lieu of straw men you wish to construct for the purpose of burning down to make you look good?
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3/5/2012 9:05:09 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/5/2012 9:03:14 AM, drafterman wrote:
At 3/5/2012 8:44:49 AM, logicrules wrote:
At 3/5/2012 8:35:27 AM, drafterman wrote:

No, you don't "got it."

It describes not believing in a god, but that's not on your list, so it doesn't describe anything on your list. To say that this means it describes "nothing" implies there is nothing else to describe but what's on your list. I doubt you seriously mean this, so you're just deliberately exaggerating things because....? (not rhetorical)

Yes, I do have it....it describes nothing on my list. Seems it is you who might have the need to make nothing be something. I got it...still nothing.

Fixed your post for you. You're welcome. When you want to respond to what I've actually said, I'm listening. Or do you not think you the only way you can make a point is by ignoring what people say in lieu of straw men you wish to construct for the purpose of burning down to make you look good?

LOL got it....you have no rules, no authorities, nor sources, no individual to interpret, no history, nothing.....got it.
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3/5/2012 9:05:35 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/5/2012 8:11:17 AM, drafterman wrote:

Here's the kicker: theism isn't a religion either, it's a discriptor too.

Atheism is merely the negation of theism.

This. I don't know why people fail to understand this.
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3/5/2012 9:11:05 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/5/2012 9:05:09 AM, logicrules wrote:
At 3/5/2012 9:03:14 AM, drafterman wrote:
At 3/5/2012 8:44:49 AM, logicrules wrote:
At 3/5/2012 8:35:27 AM, drafterman wrote:

No, you don't "got it."

It describes not believing in a god, but that's not on your list, so it doesn't describe anything on your list. To say that this means it describes "nothing" implies there is nothing else to describe but what's on your list. I doubt you seriously mean this, so you're just deliberately exaggerating things because....? (not rhetorical)

Yes, I do have it....it describes nothing on my list. Seems it is you who might have the need to make nothing be something. I got it...still nothing.

Fixed your post for you. You're welcome. When you want to respond to what I've actually said, I'm listening. Or do you not think you the only way you can make a point is by ignoring what people say in lieu of straw men you wish to construct for the purpose of burning down to make you look good?

LOL got it....you have no rules, no authorities, nor sources, no individual to interpret, no history, nothing.....got it.

See, this is where your dishonesty shows. We aren't talking about me, we're talking about atheism. Where and why did you make this sudden switch?
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3/5/2012 10:18:08 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/5/2012 9:05:35 AM, nonentity wrote:
At 3/5/2012 8:11:17 AM, drafterman wrote:

Here's the kicker: theism isn't a religion either, it's a discriptor too.

Atheism is merely the negation of theism.

This. I don't know why people fail to understand this.

So it is the Sophist position?
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3/5/2012 10:20:53 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/5/2012 9:11:05 AM, drafterman wrote:
At 3/5/2012 9:05:09 AM, logicrules wrote:
At 3/5/2012 9:03:14 AM, drafterman wrote:
At 3/5/2012 8:44:49 AM, logicrules wrote:
At 3/5/2012 8:35:27 AM, drafterman wrote:

No, you don't "got it."

It describes not believing in a god, but that's not on your list, so it doesn't describe anything on your list. To say that this means it describes "nothing" implies there is nothing else to describe but what's on your list. I doubt you seriously mean this, so you're just deliberately exaggerating things because....? (not rhetorical)

Yes, I do have it....it describes nothing on my list. Seems it is you who might have the need to make nothing be something. I got it...still nothing.

Fixed your post for you. You're welcome. When you want to respond to what I've actually said, I'm listening. Or do you not think you the only way you can make a point is by ignoring what people say in lieu of straw men you wish to construct for the purpose of burning down to make you look good?

LOL got it....you have no rules, no authorities, nor sources, no individual to interpret, no history, nothing.....got it.

See, this is where your dishonesty shows. We aren't talking about me, we're talking about atheism. Where and why did you make this sudden switch?

Thats fine, it was the proper use of the pronoun as it was with you, singular, about athiest, you plural in a non sexist politically correct way as well as your position.So now, you accept that your position is nothing and would like to move on to grammar and pronoun usage on the web no less?
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3/5/2012 10:37:22 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/5/2012 10:20:53 AM, logicrules wrote:
At 3/5/2012 9:11:05 AM, drafterman wrote:
At 3/5/2012 9:05:09 AM, logicrules wrote:
At 3/5/2012 9:03:14 AM, drafterman wrote:
At 3/5/2012 8:44:49 AM, logicrules wrote:
At 3/5/2012 8:35:27 AM, drafterman wrote:

No, you don't "got it."

It describes not believing in a god, but that's not on your list, so it doesn't describe anything on your list. To say that this means it describes "nothing" implies there is nothing else to describe but what's on your list. I doubt you seriously mean this, so you're just deliberately exaggerating things because....? (not rhetorical)

Yes, I do have it....it describes nothing on my list. Seems it is you who might have the need to make nothing be something. I got it...still nothing.

Fixed your post for you. You're welcome. When you want to respond to what I've actually said, I'm listening. Or do you not think you the only way you can make a point is by ignoring what people say in lieu of straw men you wish to construct for the purpose of burning down to make you look good?

LOL got it....you have no rules, no authorities, nor sources, no individual to interpret, no history, nothing.....got it.

See, this is where your dishonesty shows. We aren't talking about me, we're talking about atheism. Where and why did you make this sudden switch?

Thats fine, it was the proper use of the pronoun as it was with you, singular, about athiest, you plural in a non sexist politically correct way as well as your position.So now, you accept that your position is nothing and would like to move on to grammar and pronoun usage on the web no less?

My issues wasn't with your grammar, but the fact that you started out talking about atheism and then performed the ol' bait and switch and decided to make this about me, personally. I am an atheist, but I am also more than an atheist. So my "position" vis-a-vis ANYTHING is not limited by the discriptor of "atheist."

Even if it was, it is still wrong and dishonest of you for you to say it is "nothing" since there is much more to ANYTHING than your piddly little list there.

Until you accept these rather elementary facts, I don't see how we can move on to anything.
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3/5/2012 11:42:06 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/5/2012 7:38:12 AM, logicrules wrote:
A religion, from an acedemic perspective, has a numer of characteristics. While the substance of each will vary greatly, ALL religions share the basics.
1. A higher power
2. Sacred Texts
3. Heroes or Saints
4. Sacred Places
5. Rules
6. People who enforce the rules
7. Relics, items of importance from the past

The higher power does not need to be living, it could be science, or anything else that governs ones beliefs and/or thoughts, which is sought or pursued. In the US this higher power would be Money. Then we have, in the above order, the Constitution, Founding fathers et al., Washington DC and battlefield,. Law, Judges and cops, Smithsonian. Thus, it is possible to make a religion of patriotism.

In fact, if the absence of a higher power is one's belief, it is then a condition of a religious construct, particularly if it forms and contributes to actions and choices.

The most important aspect of being a religion is the adherence to absolute dogma or set of beliefs. Atheism has only one disbelief, therefore a single disbelief is not by very definition a set of beliefs, and atheism is not a religion.
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3/5/2012 11:53:37 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/5/2012 7:38:12 AM, logicrules wrote:
A religion, from an acedemic perspective, has a numer of characteristics. While the substance of each will vary greatly, ALL religions share the basics.
1. A higher power
2. Sacred Texts
3. Heroes or Saints
4. Sacred Places
5. Rules
6. People who enforce the rules
7. Relics, items of importance from the past

The higher power does not need to be living, it could be science, or anything else that governs ones beliefs and/or thoughts, which is sought or pursued. In the US this higher power would be Money. Then we have, in the above order, the Constitution, Founding fathers et al., Washington DC and battlefield,. Law, Judges and cops, Smithsonian. Thus, it is possible to make a religion of patriotism.

In fact, if the absence of a higher power is one's belief, it is then a condition of a religious construct, particularly if it forms and contributes to actions and choices.

I know of no commonly accepted concept of religion in which belief in a supernatural being is not a core component.
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3/5/2012 12:03:42 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
What is the "sacred text" of Atheism?

Depends.....might be "The origin of species" or, based on some of the arguments on here they seem to quote the bible alot.:

Not all atheists share the same views. Most atheists I know simply lack a belief in a higher power, just like they lack a belief in large bipedal primates living in North America. Very few are the rabid, foam-at-the-mouth, anti-theistic type.

I would agree that of those that are, they tend to unwittingly mimic fundamentalist-type fervor. But to posit that all, or even most atheists fall into this category would be massively overstated.
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3/5/2012 12:03:49 PM
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At 3/5/2012 11:53:37 AM, WriterDave wrote:
At 3/5/2012 7:38:12 AM, logicrules wrote:
A religion, from an acedemic perspective, has a numer of characteristics. While the substance of each will vary greatly, ALL religions share the basics.
1. A higher power
2. Sacred Texts
3. Heroes or Saints
4. Sacred Places
5. Rules
6. People who enforce the rules
7. Relics, items of importance from the past

The higher power does not need to be living, it could be science, or anything else that governs ones beliefs and/or thoughts, which is sought or pursued. In the US this higher power would be Money. Then we have, in the above order, the Constitution, Founding fathers et al., Washington DC and battlefield,. Law, Judges and cops, Smithsonian. Thus, it is possible to make a religion of patriotism.

In fact, if the absence of a higher power is one's belief, it is then a condition of a religious construct, particularly if it forms and contributes to actions and choices.

I know of no commonly accepted concept of religion in which belief in a supernatural being is not a core component.

I am certain that the things you do not know would fill volumes. It is the basis of religious studies.
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3/5/2012 12:04:54 PM
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Atheism has none of those things.

No rules, no laws, mmmm o ya got nothin?:

What rules and laws are specific to being atheist and only relevant to being an atheist?
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3/5/2012 5:18:12 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/5/2012 10:37:22 AM, drafterman wrote:
At 3/5/2012 10:20:53 AM, logicrules wrote:
At 3/5/2012 9:11:05 AM, drafterman wrote:
At 3/5/2012 9:05:09 AM, logicrules wrote:
At 3/5/2012 9:03:14 AM, drafterman wrote:
At 3/5/2012 8:44:49 AM, logicrules wrote:
At 3/5/2012 8:35:27 AM, drafterman wrote:

No, you don't "got it."

It describes not believing in a god, but that's not on your list, so it doesn't describe anything on your list. To say that this means it describes "nothing" implies there is nothing else to describe but what's on your list. I doubt you seriously mean this, so you're just deliberately exaggerating things because....? (not rhetorical)

Yes, I do have it....it describes nothing on my list. Seems it is you who might have the need to make nothing be something. I got it...still nothing.

Fixed your post for you. You're welcome. When you want to respond to what I've actually said, I'm listening. Or do you not think you the only way you can make a point is by ignoring what people say in lieu of straw men you wish to construct for the purpose of burning down to make you look good?

LOL got it....you have no rules, no authorities, nor sources, no individual to interpret, no history, nothing.....got it.

See, this is where your dishonesty shows. We aren't talking about me, we're talking about atheism. Where and why did you make this sudden switch?

Thats fine, it was the proper use of the pronoun as it was with you, singular, about athiest, you plural in a non sexist politically correct way as well as your position.So now, you accept that your position is nothing and would like to move on to grammar and pronoun usage on the web no less?

My issues wasn't with your grammar, but the fact that you started out talking about atheism and then performed the ol' bait and switch and decided to make this about me, personally. I am an atheist, but I am also more than an atheist. So my "position" vis-a-vis ANYTHING is not limited by the discriptor of "atheist."

Even if it was, it is still wrong and dishonest of you for you to say it is "nothing" since there is much more to ANYTHING than your piddly little list there.

Until you accept these rather elementary facts, I don't see how we can move on to anything.

Wrong again.....I merely accepted your response. I really don't care what you think about my original post, it was you who used the term nothing in reference to all the listed items. I accepted that and you got all goofy. Therefore, I infer the problem is with you now wanting to mean something other tan what you wrote. Happens all the time, that is why or evidence we prefer written documentation. Reading is, sometimes, a problem.
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3/5/2012 5:22:03 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/5/2012 12:04:54 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
Atheism has none of those things.

No rules, no laws, mmmm o ya got nothin?:

What rules and laws are specific to being atheist and only relevant to being an atheist?

Depends....Science, Darwin, varies....just like with Christians. Reread the post. However, I would guess most atheist rely heavily on the establishment clause of the Constitution, in the US any way. That makes at least the laws re atheism classified as a religion under US law one set.
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3/5/2012 5:28:59 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
You might want to study up on what "atheism" is before you make claims about it being a religion, which is just as uninformed as calling it a condiment or some such nonsense. An "atheist" is, most inclusively, "one who is not an adherent to a belief in the existence of god(s)".

We share no set of beliefs, no code of morality, no holy books. We only share a lack of belief in deities.
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3/5/2012 5:36:13 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/5/2012 8:05:05 AM, logicrules wrote:
Thus, according to you, atheism has nothing....great.

A theist once asked me "Do you consider your atheism a virtue?" I said, "I don't consider my atheism anything."

While for some it is the belief that deities do not exist, for me "atheism" is nothing, the lack of certain other beliefs (those asserting the existence of a god).