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3/8/2012 8:21:34 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Found. The third and Final Testament.

The third and Final Testament is being written by Gnostic thinkers and the only truth that you can trust. The reason that you will trust it is simply because it is your truth based on your understanding of reality and largely based on your feelings. That is why you can and will have complete trust in it and your God.

The Jewish God was the first and only monotheistic God. That God was adopted and corrupted by Constantine and the Catholic Orthodox church that he bought. This new Church reversed much of the initial Jewish thinking of God and returned to the more ancient thinking of a triune God of war. To solidify their position they killed many Gnostics and Jews and in the Gnostic case, tried to eradicate their thinking by burning all Gnostic scriptures. They missed a few and failed Just as Hitler failed in his book burning campaign.

The Jewish and Gnostic religions were religions designed to create thinking autonomous humans who did not need big brother church and it's hierarchical guides to lead people by the nose to a God. Gnostics used their gospels to accomplish that desired end. God to Gnostics was an internalized experience gained through apotheosis. Gnosticism is the personal connection to God that Christianity speaks of but never accomplishes. This is because their focus is to the hierarchy of the Church and not to God. The Christian highlighted obedience over thinking, even as most religions of the day were highlighting enlightenment or the finding of the right way as the path to their religions and Gods. This dogmatic reliance on obedience squelched any progress for Christianity and caused stagnation of mind and soul. Gnostics, like Gnostic Jesus and even the Christian Jesus, spoke of a God within each of us and thought the body to be the temple of God. Gnostics sought and achieved apotheosis and a true personal relationship to their God. Gnostics took to heart the notion that the laws of God were written on the heart. Something Christianity only gave passing reference to and substituted instead their "WORD of God".

Gnosticism recognizes that you cannot gain the knowledge that produces wisdom and a good moral sense by not questioning the status quo. It demands that all concepts be questioned. So does the bible but Christians are never taught this by their church hierarchies who want sheep for followers and not thinking autonomous people. That would be too Gnostic.

It is my view that the third and Final Testament of the bible is being written in our time. Elaine Pagels has put chapter one in place for us to read and ponder with her book titled Adam, Eve and the Serpent.

http://southerncrossreview.org...

In our age, with most having access to knowledge through modern communication devices and the net means that we need no longer be hamstrung by domineering religious hierarchies and we can and will seek the God within. As more find God, society will finally stabilize into the period of long term social stability that we have been seeking forever.

God has had quite a ride but is now close. The Old Testament showed us how unsavory a God can be. The New Testament replaced that immoral God and placed an archetypal Jesus, a man with excellent but unworkable rhetoric, above that God. This was done with Jesus' proclamation of heaven only through me. The Jewish version of the Old Testament tried to give man autonomy with Eden as our elevation. Man has become as Gods. Christianity backed us up, for good or evil by calling Eden our fall and creating sheepish followers who were not to question but only obey. Love be damned as man's first principle. The New Testament tries to return us to man and Gods highest ideal of love for all. It fails because Constantine tied Jesus to the unsavory God of the Old Testament and returned to the older more barbaric style of the Old Testament God with a new and improved hell for those who will not obey. A fatal error that has backed up human thinking by 1,600 years.

Man's Last and Final Testament, one that can only be Gnostic thanks to the mental flexibility of it's adherents, will promote love through thought; following the unworkable rhetoric of Jesus but in a more workable way.

Man, God's most fantastic achievement, not creation, is almost ready to take his rightful place as master of himself.

Many Christians use the bible as their external conscience. They will realize that the ancients were right and that the laws of God are to be internalized and written on our hearts. Do not fear being your own master. It will give you both pain and pleasure and you will sometimes curse it but you will know that it is as good as God intended it to be.

Seek God. He is getting near thanks to Gnosticism. Chapter one is written. If you choose to be enlightened and stop having to obey masters and take your rightful place as master of one. Jesus was here to free man, not enslave him. He was a Jew and knew Eden was our elevation and not our fall.

Jesus show the way with his question; Have ye forgotten that ye are Gods?

What is your answer?

Regards
DL
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3/8/2012 8:24:49 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/8/2012 8:21:34 AM, GreatestIam wrote:
Found. The third and Final Testament.

The third and Final Testament is being written by Gnostic thinkers and the only truth that you can trust. The reason that you will trust it is simply because it is your truth based on your understanding of reality and largely based on your feelings. That is why you can and will have complete trust in it and your God.

The Jewish God was the first and only monotheistic God. That God was adopted and corrupted by Constantine and the Catholic Orthodox church that he bought. This new Church reversed much of the initial Jewish thinking of God and returned to the more ancient thinking of a triune God of war. To solidify their position they killed many Gnostics and Jews and in the Gnostic case, tried to eradicate their thinking by burning all Gnostic scriptures. They missed a few and failed Just as Hitler failed in his book burning campaign.

The Jewish and Gnostic religions were religions designed to create thinking autonomous humans who did not need big brother church and it's hierarchical guides to lead people by the nose to a God. Gnostics used their gospels to accomplish that desired end. God to Gnostics was an internalized experience gained through apotheosis. Gnosticism is the personal connection to God that Christianity speaks of but never accomplishes. This is because their focus is to the hierarchy of the Church and not to God. The Christian highlighted obedience over thinking, even as most religions of the day were highlighting enlightenment or the finding of the right way as the path to their religions and Gods. This dogmatic reliance on obedience squelched any progress for Christianity and caused stagnation of mind and soul. Gnostics, like Gnostic Jesus and even the Christian Jesus, spoke of a God within each of us and thought the body to be the temple of God. Gnostics sought and achieved apotheosis and a true personal relationship to their God. Gnostics took to heart the notion that the laws of God were written on the heart. Something Christianity only gave passing reference to and substituted instead their "WORD of God".

Gnosticism recognizes that you cannot gain the knowledge that produces wisdom and a good moral sense by not questioning the status quo. It demands that all concepts be questioned. So does the bible but Christians are never taught this by their church hierarchies who want sheep for followers and not thinking autonomous people. That would be too Gnostic.

It is my view that the third and Final Testament of the bible is being written in our time. Elaine Pagels has put chapter one in place for us to read and ponder with her book titled Adam, Eve and the Serpent.

http://southerncrossreview.org...

In our age, with most having access to knowledge through modern communication devices and the net means that we need no longer be hamstrung by domineering religious hierarchies and we can and will seek the God within. As more find God, society will finally stabilize into the period of long term social stability that we have been seeking forever.

God has had quite a ride but is now close. The Old Testament showed us how unsavory a God can be. The New Testament replaced that immoral God and placed an archetypal Jesus, a man with excellent but unworkable rhetoric, above that God. This was done with Jesus' proclamation of heaven only through me. The Jewish version of the Old Testament tried to give man autonomy with Eden as our elevation. Man has become as Gods. Christianity backed us up, for good or evil by calling Eden our fall and creating sheepish followers who were not to question but only obey. Love be damned as man's first principle. The New Testament tries to return us to man and Gods highest ideal of love for all. It fails because Constantine tied Jesus to the unsavory God of the Old Testament and returned to the older more barbaric style of the Old Testament God with a new and improved hell for those who will not obey. A fatal error that has backed up human thinking by 1,600 years.

Man's Last and Final Testament, one that can only be Gnostic thanks to the mental flexibility of it's adherents, will promote love through thought; following the unworkable rhetoric of Jesus but in a more workable way.

Man, God's most fantastic achievement, not creation, is almost ready to take his rightful place as master of himself.

Many Christians use the bible as their external conscience. They will realize that the ancients were right and that the laws of God are to be internalized and written on our hearts. Do not fear being your own master. It will give you both pain and pleasure and you will sometimes curse it but you will know that it is as good as God intended it to be.

Seek God. He is getting near thanks to Gnosticism. Chapter one is written. If you choose to be enlightened and stop having to obey masters and take your rightful place as master of one. Jesus was here to free man, not enslave him. He was a Jew and knew Eden was our elevation and not our fall.

Jesus show the way with his question; Have ye forgotten that ye are Gods?

What is your answer?

Regards
DL

I prefer hominies....A Book of the present testament. Dont you holler, dont you shout just turn your pockets inside out. Give up that green salad of salvation.
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3/11/2012 4:56:13 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/8/2012 8:21:34 AM, GreatestIam wrote:
Found. The third and Final Testament.

The third and Final Testament is being written by Gnostic thinkers and the only truth that you can trust. The reason that you will trust it is simply because it is your truth based on your understanding of reality and largely based on your feelings. That is why you can and will have complete trust in it and your God.

The Jewish God was the first and only monotheistic God. That God was adopted and corrupted by Constantine and the Catholic Orthodox church that he bought. This new Church reversed much of the initial Jewish thinking of God and returned to the more ancient thinking of a triune God of war. To solidify their position they killed many Gnostics and Jews and in the Gnostic case, tried to eradicate their thinking by burning all Gnostic scriptures. They missed a few and failed Just as Hitler failed in his book burning campaign.

The Jewish and Gnostic religions were religions designed to create thinking autonomous humans who did not need big brother church and it's hierarchical guides to lead people by the nose to a God. Gnostics used their gospels to accomplish that desired end. God to Gnostics was an internalized experience gained through apotheosis. Gnosticism is the personal connection to God that Christianity speaks of but never accomplishes. This is because their focus is to the hierarchy of the Church and not to God. The Christian highlighted obedience over thinking, even as most religions of the day were highlighting enlightenment or the finding of the right way as the path to their religions and Gods. This dogmatic reliance on obedience squelched any progress for Christianity and caused stagnation of mind and soul. Gnostics, like Gnostic Jesus and even the Christian Jesus, spoke of a God within each of us and thought the body to be the temple of God. Gnostics sought and achieved apotheosis and a true personal relationship to their God. Gnostics took to heart the notion that the laws of God were written on the heart. Something Christianity only gave passing reference to and substituted instead their "WORD of God".

Gnosticism recognizes that you cannot gain the knowledge that produces wisdom and a good moral sense by not questioning the status quo. It demands that all concepts be questioned. So does the bible but Christians are never taught this by their church hierarchies who want sheep for followers and not thinking autonomous people. That would be too Gnostic.

It is my view that the third and Final Testament of the bible is being written in our time. Elaine Pagels has put chapter one in place for us to read and ponder with her book titled Adam, Eve and the Serpent.

http://southerncrossreview.org...

In our age, with most having access to knowledge through modern communication devices and the net means that we need no longer be hamstrung by domineering religious hierarchies and we can and will seek the God within. As more find God, society will finally stabilize into the period of long term social stability that we have been seeking forever.

God has had quite a ride but is now close. The Old Testament showed us how unsavory a God can be. The New Testament replaced that immoral God and placed an archetypal Jesus, a man with excellent but unworkable rhetoric, above that God. This was done with Jesus' proclamation of heaven only through me. The Jewish version of the Old Testament tried to give man autonomy with Eden as our elevation. Man has become as Gods. Christianity backed us up, for good or evil by calling Eden our fall and creating sheepish followers who were not to question but only obey. Love be damned as man's first principle. The New Testament tries to return us to man and Gods highest ideal of love for all. It fails because Constantine tied Jesus to the unsavory God of the Old Testament and returned to the older more barbaric style of the Old Testament God with a new and improved hell for those who will not obey. A fatal error that has backed up human thinking by 1,600 years.

Man's Last and Final Testament, one that can only be Gnostic thanks to the mental flexibility of it's adherents, will promote love through thought; following the unworkable rhetoric of Jesus but in a more workable way.

Man, God's most fantastic achievement, not creation, is almost ready to take his rightful place as master of himself.

Many Christians use the bible as their external conscience. They will realize that the ancients were right and that the laws of God are to be internalized and written on our hearts. Do not fear being your own master. It will give you both pain and pleasure and you will sometimes curse it but you will know that it is as good as God intended it to be.

Seek God. He is getting near thanks to Gnosticism. Chapter one is written. If you choose to be enlightened and stop having to obey masters and take your rightful place as master of one. Jesus was here to free man, not enslave him. He was a Jew and knew Eden was our elevation and not our fall.

Jesus show the way with his question; Have ye forgotten that ye are Gods?

What is your answer?

Regards
DL

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3/12/2012 6:19:42 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/8/2012 8:21:34 AM, GreatestIam wrote:
Found. The third and Final Testament.

The third and Final Testament is being written by Gnostic thinkers and the only truth that you can trust. The reason that you will trust it is simply because it is your truth based on your understanding of reality and largely based on your feelings. That is why you can and will have complete trust in it and your God.

The Jewish God was the first and only monotheistic God. That God was adopted and corrupted by Constantine and the Catholic Orthodox church that he bought. This new Church reversed much of the initial Jewish thinking of God and returned to the more ancient thinking of a triune God of war. To solidify their position they killed many Gnostics and Jews and in the Gnostic case, tried to eradicate their thinking by burning all Gnostic scriptures. They missed a few and failed Just as Hitler failed in his book burning campaign.

The Jewish and Gnostic religions were religions designed to create thinking autonomous humans who did not need big brother church and it's hierarchical guides to lead people by the nose to a God. Gnostics used their gospels to accomplish that desired end. God to Gnostics was an internalized experience gained through apotheosis. Gnosticism is the personal connection to God that Christianity speaks of but never accomplishes. This is because their focus is to the hierarchy of the Church and not to God. The Christian highlighted obedience over thinking, even as most religions of the day were highlighting enlightenment or the finding of the right way as the path to their religions and Gods. This dogmatic reliance on obedience squelched any progress for Christianity and caused stagnation of mind and soul. Gnostics, like Gnostic Jesus and even the Christian Jesus, spoke of a God within each of us and thought the body to be the temple of God. Gnostics sought and achieved apotheosis and a true personal relationship to their God. Gnostics took to heart the notion that the laws of God were written on the heart. Something Christianity only gave passing reference to and substituted instead their "WORD of God".

Gnosticism recognizes that you cannot gain the knowledge that produces wisdom and a good moral sense by not questioning the status quo. It demands that all concepts be questioned. So does the bible but Christians are never taught this by their church hierarchies who want sheep for followers and not thinking autonomous people. That would be too Gnostic.

It is my view that the third and Final Testament of the bible is being written in our time. Elaine Pagels has put chapter one in place for us to read and ponder with her book titled Adam, Eve and the Serpent.

http://southerncrossreview.org...

In our age, with most having access to knowledge through modern communication devices and the net means that we need no longer be hamstrung by domineering religious hierarchies and we can and will seek the God within. As more find God, society will finally stabilize into the period of long term social stability that we have been seeking forever.

God has had quite a ride but is now close. The Old Testament showed us how unsavory a God can be. The New Testament replaced that immoral God and placed an archetypal Jesus, a man with excellent but unworkable rhetoric, above that God. This was done with Jesus' proclamation of heaven only through me. The Jewish version of the Old Testament tried to give man autonomy with Eden as our elevation. Man has become as Gods. Christianity backed us up, for good or evil by calling Eden our fall and creating sheepish followers who were not to question but only obey. Love be damned as man's first principle. The New Testament tries to return us to man and Gods highest ideal of love for all. It fails because Constantine tied Jesus to the unsavory God of the Old Testament and returned to the older more barbaric style of the Old Testament God with a new and improved hell for those who will not obey. A fatal error that has backed up human thinking by 1,600 years.

Man's Last and Final Testament, one that can only be Gnostic thanks to the mental flexibility of it's adherents, will promote love through thought; following the unworkable rhetoric of Jesus but in a more workable way.

Man, God's most fantastic achievement, not creation, is almost ready to take his rightful place as master of himself.

Many Christians use the bible as their external conscience. They will realize that the ancients were right and that the laws of God are to be internalized and written on our hearts. Do not fear being your own master. It will give you both pain and pleasure and you will sometimes curse it but you will know that it is as good as God intended it to be.

Seek God. He is getting near thanks to Gnosticism. Chapter one is written. If you choose to be enlightened and stop having to obey masters and take your rightful place as master of one. Jesus was here to free man, not enslave him. He was a Jew and knew Eden was our elevation and not our fall.

Jesus show the way with his question; Have ye forgotten that ye are Gods?

What is your answer?

Regards
DL

Jesus said that to the Jews about their ancestors who had received The Law..

Jesus said that everyone 'on the side of truth' listens to Him.. this is twisting the truth to fit you're own agenda.

Jesus said that anyone who accepts His people accepts Him.. you attack and ridicule and ignore us at every turn.

Jesus came to show THE LOVE OF GOD: that He wants ALL to come to repentance and Eternal Life and that NONE should perish! that includes YOU!
The Cross.. the Cross.
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3/12/2012 11:28:10 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/12/2012 6:19:42 AM, DATCMOTO wrote:


Jesus said that to the Jews about their ancestors who had received The Law..

So to you, only the Jews are sons of God and are God WIPs. Ok, the Jews will be happy to hear this as it confirms their views.

Jesus said that everyone 'on the side of truth' listens to Him.. this is twisting the truth to fit you're own agenda.

I am the one listening here while you deny his words.

Jesus said that anyone who accepts His people accepts Him.. you attack and ridicule and ignore us at every turn.

Yes. Because you have perverted his message by reading him in a literal way.


Jesus came to show THE LOVE OF GOD: that He wants ALL to come to repentance and Eternal Life and that NONE should perish! that includes YOU!

I agree. That is why I am a Universalist on this issue. If he wants all to repent and his will is supreme, then it will happen regardless of how many fools want there to be a hell for those that do not make it. Lose your hate friend.

You show your complete lack of faith in your own words.

Pathetic.

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DL
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3/14/2012 6:10:53 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/12/2012 11:28:10 AM, GreatestIam wrote:
At 3/12/2012 6:19:42 AM, DATCMOTO wrote:


Jesus said that to the Jews about their ancestors who had received The Law..

So to you, only the Jews are sons of God and are God WIPs. Ok, the Jews will be happy to hear this as it confirms their views.

Putting words in my mouth IS about the only way you can beat me.. (in your own head at least!)

Jesus said that everyone 'on the side of truth' listens to Him.. this is twisting the truth to fit you're own agenda.

I am the one listening here while you deny his words.

Which words?

Jesus said that anyone who accepts His people accepts Him.. you attack and ridicule and ignore us at every turn.

Yes. Because you have perverted his message by reading him in a literal way.


Why would I do that? just to make life harder for myself? but why you would not (to make life easier) is readily apparent!

Jesus came to show THE LOVE OF GOD: that He wants ALL to come to repentance and Eternal Life and that NONE should perish! that includes YOU!

I agree. That is why I am a Universalist on this issue. If he wants all to repent and his will is supreme, then it will happen regardless of how many fools want there to be a hell for those that do not make it. Lose your hate friend.

You show your complete lack of faith in your own words.

Pathetic.

Regards
DL


No.. He wants all to come to REPENTANCE and His GOODNESS leads to repentance!

God IS good!
The Cross.. the Cross.
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3/15/2012 2:42:33 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/14/2012 6:10:53 AM, DATCMOTO wrote:
At 3/12/2012 11:28:10 AM, GreatestIam wrote:
At 3/12/2012 6:19:42 AM, DATCMOTO wrote:


Jesus said that to the Jews about their ancestors who had received The Law..

So to you, only the Jews are sons of God and are God WIPs. Ok, the Jews will be happy to hear this as it confirms their views.

Putting words in my mouth IS about the only way you can beat me.. (in your own head at least!)

Jesus said that everyone 'on the side of truth' listens to Him.. this is twisting the truth to fit you're own agenda.

I am the one listening here while you deny his words.

Which words?

Jesus said that anyone who accepts His people accepts Him.. you attack and ridicule and ignore us at every turn.

Yes. Because you have perverted his message by reading him in a literal way.


Why would I do that? just to make life harder for myself? but why you would not (to make life easier) is readily apparent!

Jesus came to show THE LOVE OF GOD: that He wants ALL to come to repentance and Eternal Life and that NONE should perish! that includes YOU!

I agree. That is why I am a Universalist on this issue. If he wants all to repent and his will is supreme, then it will happen regardless of how many fools want there to be a hell for those that do not make it. Lose your hate friend.


You show your complete lack of faith in your own words.

Pathetic.

Regards
DL


No.. He wants all to come to REPENTANCE and His GOODNESS leads to repentance!

God IS good!

Tell that to all those that scrptures say murdered.

Have ye forgotten that ye are God?
Seems you have.

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DL
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3/18/2012 3:24:32 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
What do you mean third and final testament?

The Koran is the Third Testament.
The Book of Mormon is the Fourth Testament.
The Urantia Book is the Fifth Testament.

Who knows how many testaments there total- it's Testament city out there. You can't swing a cat without hitting a Testament.

Did I forget the Dead Sea Scrolls? I believe I did. Testament!
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3/26/2012 10:36:25 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/18/2012 3:24:32 PM, Utopian wrote:
What do you mean third and final testament?

The Koran is the Third Testament.
The Book of Mormon is the Fourth Testament.
The Urantia Book is the Fifth Testament.

Who knows how many testaments there total- it's Testament city out there. You can't swing a cat without hitting a Testament.

Did I forget the Dead Sea Scrolls? I believe I did. Testament!

The last will show those of faith how silly it is to base a theology on ---- nothing.

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DL
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3/28/2012 6:49:39 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Last I checked, the Gnostic gospels are dated 2nd, 3rd, and 4th century which come BEFORE Islam. But let's not forget that these gospels are MUCH older than the canonical gospels.
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3/29/2012 10:27:27 AM
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At 3/28/2012 6:49:39 PM, tBoonePickens wrote:
Last I checked, the Gnostic gospels are dated 2nd, 3rd, and 4th century which come BEFORE Islam. But let's not forget that these gospels are MUCH older than the canonical gospels.

Gospels were a dime a dozen it seems.

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3/29/2012 5:20:35 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/29/2012 10:27:27 AM, GreatestIam wrote:
At 3/28/2012 6:49:39 PM, tBoonePickens wrote:
Last I checked, the Gnostic gospels are dated 2nd, 3rd, and 4th century which come BEFORE Islam. But let's not forget that these gospels are MUCH older than the canonical gospels.

Gospels were a dime a dozen it seems.

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DL

Meant to say that the canonical gospels are MUCH older than the gnostic gospels.
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3/30/2012 7:22:10 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 3/29/2012 5:20:35 PM, tBoonePickens wrote:
At 3/29/2012 10:27:27 AM, GreatestIam wrote:
At 3/28/2012 6:49:39 PM, tBoonePickens wrote:
Last I checked, the Gnostic gospels are dated 2nd, 3rd, and 4th century which come BEFORE Islam. But let's not forget that these gospels are MUCH older than the canonical gospels.

Gospels were a dime a dozen it seems.

Regards
DL

Meant to say that the canonical gospels are MUCH older than the gnostic gospels.

I go for quality, not age.

Regards
DL