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logicrules
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3/9/2012 12:29:47 PM
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This one is rather simple; Should someone who claims to have seen the face of God, and also claims scripture is true be believed?
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3/9/2012 12:32:39 PM
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At 3/9/2012 12:29:47 PM, logicrules wrote:
This one is rather simple; Should someone who claims to have seen the face of God, and also claims scripture is true be believed?

You misspelled "Claim".

In any case, no. Otherwise we would be forced to believe in contradictory beliefs.
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3/9/2012 12:38:01 PM
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At 3/9/2012 12:29:47 PM, logicrules wrote:
This one is rather simple; Should someone who claims to have seen the face of God, and also claims scripture is true be believed?

Which god? Which scripture?
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3/9/2012 12:39:03 PM
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At 3/9/2012 12:38:01 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 3/9/2012 12:29:47 PM, logicrules wrote:
This one is rather simple; Should someone who claims to have seen the face of God, and also claims scripture is true be believed?

Which god? Which scripture?

Would it matter?
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3/9/2012 12:42:22 PM
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At 3/9/2012 12:39:03 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 3/9/2012 12:38:01 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 3/9/2012 12:29:47 PM, logicrules wrote:
This one is rather simple; Should someone who claims to have seen the face of God, and also claims scripture is true be believed?

Which god? Which scripture?

Would it matter?

Eh. Maybe.
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3/9/2012 12:45:34 PM
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At 3/9/2012 12:29:47 PM, logicrules wrote:
This one is rather simple; Should someone who claims to have seen the face of God, and also claims scripture is true be believed?

Y'know, acid can give you some freaky trips.
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3/9/2012 12:49:51 PM
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At 3/9/2012 12:32:39 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 3/9/2012 12:29:47 PM, logicrules wrote:
This one is rather simple; Should someone who claims to have seen the face of God, and also claims scripture is true be believed?

You misspelled "Claim".

In any case, no. Otherwise we would be forced to believe in contradictory beliefs.

Helps if you point out where the mistake is (title post btw), but regarding the statement, if you see God and know it is God then I think you should claim the scriptures are important and should be "believed". Literally or allegorically though? That is a difficult and different question altogether.
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3/9/2012 12:52:18 PM
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At 3/9/2012 12:45:34 PM, Zaradi wrote:
At 3/9/2012 12:29:47 PM, logicrules wrote:
This one is rather simple; Should someone who claims to have seen the face of God, and also claims scripture is true be believed?

Y'know, acid can give you some freaky trips.

I don't know about acid but if someone claimed a divine insight through something like mescaline I'd certainly be interested in hearing more. The OP, I'd have to hear the reasoning behind it. Being an atheist does not mean I'm 100% closed off to the idea of a divine being.
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3/9/2012 2:30:03 PM
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At 3/9/2012 12:29:47 PM, logicrules wrote:
This one is rather simple; Should someone who claims to have seen the face of God, and also claims scripture is true be believed?

not w/o a broader understanding of things which seems to mesh along well with their claims...

There are lots of liars and crazy people out there ;)
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3/9/2012 2:51:17 PM
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When millions upon millions of people do, then yes.

But one man... no I wouldn't trust his word without a revelation of some kind.
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3/9/2012 3:11:55 PM
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No.

There is not reason to believe God would show himself in a visual way to anyone other then the people specificallty mentioned in the scriptures.

as it is written:

John 20:27-29
"Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe." Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!" Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."

If someone claims to have seen Jesus or God, i would think it was exactly the opposite - A demonic entity.
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3/9/2012 3:19:06 PM
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At 3/9/2012 12:29:47 PM, logicrules wrote:
This one is rather simple; Should someone who claims to have seen the face of God, and also claims scripture is true be believed?

In light of Exodus 33:20, that person would have to be either ignorant of the Bible's contents or a zombie.
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3/9/2012 3:26:46 PM
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At 3/9/2012 3:19:06 PM, WriterDave wrote:
At 3/9/2012 12:29:47 PM, logicrules wrote:
This one is rather simple; Should someone who claims to have seen the face of God, and also claims scripture is true be believed?

In light of Exodus 33:20, that person would have to be either ignorant of the Bible's contents or a zombie.

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3/9/2012 3:50:02 PM
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At 3/9/2012 3:31:56 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
God is dead. He ended his existence after creating humans... lol

If that's true; then what stopping me from killing you? or anyone for that matter?
: At 10/23/2012 8:06:03 PM, tvellalott wrote:
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3/9/2012 4:49:16 PM
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At 3/9/2012 2:51:17 PM, Zetsubou wrote:
When millions upon millions of people do, then yes.

But one man... no I wouldn't trust his word without a revelation of some kind.

When millions more claim to have seen conflicting testimonies, then no.
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3/9/2012 4:50:43 PM
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At 3/9/2012 3:11:55 PM, Paradox_7 wrote:
No.

There is not reason to believe God would show himself in a visual way to anyone other then the people specificallty mentioned in the scriptures.

as it is written:

John 20:27-29
"Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe." Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!" Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."

If someone claims to have seen Jesus or God, i would think it was exactly the opposite - A demonic entity.

So you are saying it is impossible for God to reveal himself like he did with Thomas? Are you saying that Thomas saw a demonic entity?
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3/9/2012 4:51:31 PM
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At 3/9/2012 3:50:02 PM, Paradox_7 wrote:
At 3/9/2012 3:31:56 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
God is dead. He ended his existence after creating humans... lol

If that's true; then what stopping me from killing you? or anyone for that matter?

The police.
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3/9/2012 4:51:50 PM
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At 3/9/2012 3:19:06 PM, WriterDave wrote:
At 3/9/2012 12:29:47 PM, logicrules wrote:
This one is rather simple; Should someone who claims to have seen the face of God, and also claims scripture is true be believed?

In light of Exodus 33:20, that person would have to be either ignorant of the Bible's contents or a zombie.

So while Jesus was passing by the towns and the cities, all the inhabitants were blinded and deafened?
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3/9/2012 4:52:30 PM
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At 3/9/2012 3:50:02 PM, Paradox_7 wrote:
At 3/9/2012 3:31:56 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
God is dead. He ended his existence after creating humans... lol

If that's true; then what stopping me from killing you? or anyone for that matter?

The law. Police. And your own moral compass as a result of that societal upbringing.
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3/9/2012 4:54:04 PM
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At 3/9/2012 3:50:02 PM, Paradox_7 wrote:
At 3/9/2012 3:31:56 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
God is dead. He ended his existence after creating humans... lol

If that's true; then what stopping me from killing you? or anyone for that matter?

Also, if you believe you have free will then God wouldn't stop you from murdering anyone anyway even if he was still alive.
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3/9/2012 4:58:30 PM
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Maybe The Bible was God's suicide note in code, and he created man in his image to carry on his legacy after he ended his existence....dun dUn DUN!!
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3/9/2012 4:59:24 PM
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At 3/9/2012 4:58:30 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
Maybe The Bible was God's suicide note in code, and he created man in his image to carry on his legacy after he ended his existence....dun dUn DUN!!

Why would God have created man in his image? Do you have any idea how goofy we look?
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3/9/2012 6:24:17 PM
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At 3/9/2012 4:59:24 PM, Kleptin wrote:
At 3/9/2012 4:58:30 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
Maybe The Bible was God's suicide note in code, and he created man in his image to carry on his legacy after he ended his existence....dun dUn DUN!!

Why would God have created man in his image? Do you have any idea how goofy we look?

no one is in his image.
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3/9/2012 6:25:57 PM
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At 3/9/2012 3:31:56 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
God is dead. He ended his existence after creating humans... lol

You and the founding fathers....go figure.
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3/9/2012 6:41:47 PM
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At 3/9/2012 6:24:17 PM, logicrules wrote:
At 3/9/2012 4:59:24 PM, Kleptin wrote:
At 3/9/2012 4:58:30 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
Maybe The Bible was God's suicide note in code, and he created man in his image to carry on his legacy after he ended his existence....dun dUn DUN!!

Why would God have created man in his image? Do you have any idea how goofy we look?

no one is in his image.

Do you reject Genesis 1:27? Or do you believe that the first humans ceased to be in God's image once they became more knowledgeable?
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3/10/2012 6:36:13 AM
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At 3/9/2012 6:41:47 PM, WriterDave wrote:
At 3/9/2012 6:24:17 PM, logicrules wrote:
At 3/9/2012 4:59:24 PM, Kleptin wrote:
At 3/9/2012 4:58:30 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
Maybe The Bible was God's suicide note in code, and he created man in his image to carry on his legacy after he ended his existence....dun dUn DUN!!

Why would God have created man in his image? Do you have any idea how goofy we look?

no one is in his image.

Do you reject Genesis 1:27? Or do you believe that the first humans ceased to be in God's image once they became more knowledgeable?

No. I reject the aforementioned understanding of same. Thus, adam is not a man.
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3/14/2012 4:41:30 AM
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At 3/9/2012 4:59:24 PM, Kleptin wrote:
At 3/9/2012 4:58:30 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
Maybe The Bible was God's suicide note in code, and he created man in his image to carry on his legacy after he ended his existence....dun dUn DUN!!

Why would God have created man in his image? Do you have any idea how goofy we look?

lol. You mean god is created in our Image. we just add a bunch of superness to his definition, instead to intellegence super special, good , great.. creator but super. designer but super, he is super duper and he is a he. lol. and emotionsl and jelouse of other god but they there is not suppose to be any .. hmmm
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3/14/2012 4:46:19 AM
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At 3/9/2012 3:50:02 PM, Paradox_7 wrote:
At 3/9/2012 3:31:56 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
God is dead. He ended his existence after creating humans... lol

If that's true; then what stopping me from killing you? or anyone for that matter?

I am sure if there was no seclurization and advances educatn and learning and religion was in power, we would be right back to the same thing. murder murder .
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3/14/2012 4:48:21 AM
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At 3/9/2012 3:11:55 PM, Paradox_7 wrote:
No.

There is not reason to believe God would show himself in a visual way to anyone other then the people specificallty mentioned in the scriptures.

as it is written:

John 20:27-29
"Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe." Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!" Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."

If someone claims to have seen Jesus or God, i would think it was exactly the opposite - A demonic entity.

The Fool: You would to same if met Jesus for real.. anyways..lol
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