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stubs
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4/10/2012 6:12:40 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I want to know what is the main cause for atheism. Is it the believed to be lack of evidence or is it as Brennan Manning said, "The greatest single cause of atheism in the world today is Christians who acknowledge Jesus with their lips and walk out the door and deny Him by their lifestyle, That is what an unbelieving world simply finds unbelievable."

I know this may create a false dichotomy, but just generally speaking it would be great to get some opinions. I also realize this is a debate site so many intellectual people will be answering and probably saying the supposed lack of evidence, but I want to see if there was also atheist that agreed with Brennan Manning.

Thank you to anyone who responds.
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4/10/2012 6:38:44 PM
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This is an interesting topic subject to a lot of misconceptions. For instance, Theists often consider Atheism to be analogous to a religion for instance they might ask if you are a Christian, Muslim, Jew, or Atheist. That analogy doesn't work because Atheism isn't a belief in anything. Rather, people who do not follow any religion or do not buy into the concept of "god" are commonly labelled as Atheists. Reason for not believing varies. I don't believe in any religion or any god because not only do they all lack sufficient scientific proof but often contradict what we already know about the world such as the Big Bang Theory, The theory of evolution etc.
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4/10/2012 6:57:44 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/10/2012 6:38:44 PM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
This is an interesting topic subject to a lot of misconceptions. For instance, Theists often consider Atheism to be analogous to a religion for instance they might ask if you are a Christian, Muslim, Jew, or Atheist. That analogy doesn't work because Atheism isn't a belief in anything. Rather, people who do not follow any religion or do not buy into the concept of "god" are commonly labelled as Atheists. Reason for not believing varies. I don't believe in any religion or any god because not only do they all lack sufficient scientific proof but often contradict what we already know about the world such as the Big Bang Theory, The theory of evolution etc.

Thank you for your reply. Do you think Christianity contradicts things such as the Big Bang Theory, or the Theory of Evolution?
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4/10/2012 7:00:24 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/10/2012 6:12:40 PM, stubs wrote:
I want to know what is the main cause for atheism.

Being born.

Is it the believed to be lack of evidence or is it as Brennan Manning said, "The greatest single cause of atheism in the world today is Christians who acknowledge Jesus with their lips and walk out the door and deny Him by their lifestyle, That is what an unbelieving world simply finds unbelievable."

I know this may create a false dichotomy, but just generally speaking it would be great to get some opinions. I also realize this is a debate site so many intellectual people will be answering and probably saying the supposed lack of evidence, but I want to see if there was also atheist that agreed with Brennan Manning.

Thank you to anyone who responds.
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4/10/2012 7:16:38 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/10/2012 7:05:25 PM, stubs wrote:
At 4/10: : At 4/10/2012/2012 7:00:24 PM, drafterman wrote:


Being born.

Could you please expand?

I was born an atheist and I have yet to be exposed to anything that has swayed me from this position.
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4/10/2012 7:30:27 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/10/2012 7:26:53 PM, tkubok wrote:
Lack of evidence.

Thats why im an atheist.

Thanks for the reply. good to hear from you again man.
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4/10/2012 7:55:30 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/10/2012 6:57:44 PM, stubs wrote:
At 4/10/2012 6:38:44 PM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
This is an interesting topic subject to a lot of misconceptions. For instance, Theists often consider Atheism to be analogous to a religion for instance they might ask if you are a Christian, Muslim, Jew, or Atheist. That analogy doesn't work because Atheism isn't a belief in anything. Rather, people who do not follow any religion or do not buy into the concept of "god" are commonly labelled as Atheists. Reason for not believing varies. I don't believe in any religion or any god because not only do they all lack sufficient scientific proof but often contradict what we already know about the world such as the Big Bang Theory, The theory of evolution etc.

Thank you for your reply. Do you think Christianity contradicts things such as the Big Bang Theory, or the Theory of Evolution?

Creationism contradicts evolution. I don't know a lot about Christianity but a quick search shows that some Christians accept creationism as true.

http://en.wikipedia.org...

This link also shows the various types of biblical creationism.
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4/10/2012 7:59:07 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/10/2012 7:55:30 PM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:


Creationism contradicts evolution. I don't know a lot about Christianity but a quick search shows that some Christians accept creationism as true.

http://en.wikipedia.org...

This link also shows the various types of biblical creationism.

7 Day creationism does contradict evolution but that is only one type of interpretation of Genesis 1. There are many Christians who believe the world is 13.7 billion years old and who accept biological evolution.
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4/10/2012 8:00:30 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/10/2012 6:12:40 PM, stubs wrote:
I want to know what is the main cause for atheism. Is it the believed to be lack of evidence or is it as Brennan Manning said, "The greatest single cause of atheism in the world today is Christians who acknowledge Jesus with their lips and walk out the door and deny Him by their lifestyle, That is what an unbelieving world simply finds unbelievable."

I know this may create a false dichotomy, but just generally speaking it would be great to get some opinions. I also realize this is a debate site so many intellectual people will be answering and probably saying the supposed lack of evidence, but I want to see if there was also atheist that agreed with Brennan Manning.

Thank you to anyone who responds.

I've only heard about God from others humans, and the way this God figure is described sounds conveniently like a human with all our petty emotions. Either man created God with his mind or God created man with his mind, so based on the principle of Occam's Razor, I eliminated the assumption of existence (Humans existing isn't an assumption of existence, it's a fact we exist).

Basically, I came to the conclusion a long time ago that the concept of God was most likely man made (I have better reasons to justify my Atheism now though).
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4/10/2012 8:01:34 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/10/2012 7:59:07 PM, stubs wrote:
At 4/10/2012 7:55:30 PM, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:


Creationism contradicts evolution. I don't know a lot about Christianity but a quick search shows that some Christians accept creationism as true.

http://en.wikipedia.org...

This link also shows the various types of biblical creationism.

7 Day creationism does contradict evolution but that is only one type of interpretation of Genesis 1. There are many Christians who believe the world is 13.7 billion years old and who accept biological evolution.

Do you believe we have souls?
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4/10/2012 8:05:08 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/10/2012 8:00:30 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:


I've only heard about God from others humans, and the way this God figure is described sounds conveniently like a human with all our petty emotions. Either man created God with his mind or God created man with his mind, so based on the principle of Occam's Razor, I eliminated the assumption of existence (Humans existing isn't an assumption of existence, it's a fact we exist).

Basically, I came to the conclusion a long time ago that the concept of God was most likely man made (I have better reasons to justify my Atheism now though).

It would be great if I would be able to talk to you about the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus. If you want to just friend and msg me. If not that's fine too
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4/10/2012 8:06:18 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/10/2012 8:05:45 PM, stubs wrote:
At 4/10/2012 8:01:34 PM, drafterman wrote:


Do you believe we have souls?

How do you define souls?

Ok... do you believe in something that you consider to be a soul?
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4/10/2012 8:09:10 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/10/2012 8:06:18 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 4/10/2012 8:05:45 PM, stubs wrote:
At 4/10/2012 8:01:34 PM, drafterman wrote:


Do you believe we have souls?

How do you define souls?

Ok... do you believe in something that you consider to be a soul?

Are you asking what the bible means by soul?
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4/10/2012 8:11:12 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/10/2012 8:09:10 PM, stubs wrote:
At 4/10/2012 8:06:18 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 4/10/2012 8:05:45 PM, stubs wrote:
At 4/10/2012 8:01:34 PM, drafterman wrote:


Do you believe we have souls?

How do you define souls?

Ok... do you believe in something that you consider to be a soul?

Are you asking what the bible means by soul?

No. I'm asking if you believe in something that you consider to be a soul.
stubs
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4/10/2012 8:13:54 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/10/2012 8:11:12 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 4/10/2012 8:09:10 PM, stubs wrote:
At 4/10/2012 8:06:18 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 4/10/2012 8:05:45 PM, stubs wrote:
At 4/10/2012 8:01:34 PM, drafterman wrote:


Do you believe we have souls?

How do you define souls?

Ok... do you believe in something that you consider to be a soul?

Are you asking what the bible means by soul?

No. I'm asking if you believe in something that you consider to be a soul.

I'm not really sure how to answer that if we haven't defined soul yet.
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4/10/2012 8:17:53 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/10/2012 8:13:54 PM, stubs wrote:
At 4/10/2012 8:11:12 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 4/10/2012 8:09:10 PM, stubs wrote:
At 4/10/2012 8:06:18 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 4/10/2012 8:05:45 PM, stubs wrote:
At 4/10/2012 8:01:34 PM, drafterman wrote:


Do you believe we have souls?

How do you define souls?

Ok... do you believe in something that you consider to be a soul?

Are you asking what the bible means by soul?

No. I'm asking if you believe in something that you consider to be a soul.

I'm not really sure how to answer that if we haven't defined soul yet.

If I asked you if you owned a car, would you require me to define what a car is, first?

Either you believe you have something you consider to be a soul or you don't. If "soul" is a meaningless, undefined concept to you, then the answer is "No." I'm not asking if you believe you have something that *I* consider to be a soul, I'm asking if you have something that *you* consider to be a soul.
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4/10/2012 8:23:28 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/10/2012 8:17:53 PM, drafterman wrote:


If I asked you if you owned a car, would you require me to define what a car is, first?

Either you believe you have something you consider to be a soul or you don't. If "soul" is a meaningless, undefined concept to you, then the answer is "No." I'm not asking if you believe you have something that *I* consider to be a soul, I'm asking if you have something that *you* consider to be a soul.

If I was unclear about what you meant by car yes I would ask you to define what it is. Nevertheless I will try to do my best to answer your question. I do believe the bible to be true and the hebrew word for soul is pronounced nay-fesh which literally means a breathing creature, is variously translated as soul, life, person, mind, heart, creature, body, himself, yourselves, dead, will, desire, man, themselves and appetite. The Greek word for soul pronounced psoo-kay, which literally means life's breath or breathing, is variously translated as soul, life, mind and heart. I am not a bible scholar but I think that according to the bible a soul is a living, breathing creature.
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4/10/2012 8:33:24 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/10/2012 8:23:28 PM, stubs wrote:
At 4/10/2012 8:17:53 PM, drafterman wrote:


If I asked you if you owned a car, would you require me to define what a car is, first?

Either you believe you have something you consider to be a soul or you don't. If "soul" is a meaningless, undefined concept to you, then the answer is "No." I'm not asking if you believe you have something that *I* consider to be a soul, I'm asking if you have something that *you* consider to be a soul.

If I was unclear about what you meant by car yes I would ask you to define what it is. Nevertheless I will try to do my best to answer your question. I do believe the bible to be true and the hebrew word for soul is pronounced nay-fesh which literally means a breathing creature, is variously translated as soul, life, person, mind, heart, creature, body, himself, yourselves, dead, will, desire, man, themselves and appetite. The Greek word for soul pronounced psoo-kay, which literally means life's breath or breathing, is variously translated as soul, life, mind and heart. I am not a bible scholar but I think that according to the bible a soul is a living, breathing creature.

But you're not sure. So, the Bible is unclear on what a soul is?
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4/10/2012 8:35:07 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/10/2012 6:12:40 PM, stubs wrote:
I want to know what is the main cause for atheism. Is it the believed to be lack of evidence or is it as Brennan Manning said, "The greatest single cause of atheism in the world today is Christians who acknowledge Jesus with their lips and walk out the door and deny Him by their lifestyle, That is what an unbelieving world simply finds unbelievable."

I know this may create a false dichotomy, but just generally speaking it would be great to get some opinions. I also realize this is a debate site so many intellectual people will be answering and probably saying the supposed lack of evidence, but I want to see if there was also atheist that agreed with Brennan Manning.

Thank you to anyone who responds.

If I was pretending to be Izbo, I'd answer the question "what is the main cause for atheism?" with "logic."
"Wanting Red Rhino Pill to have gender"
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4/10/2012 8:47:24 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/10/2012 8:33:24 PM, drafterman wrote:


If I was unclear about what you meant by car yes I would ask you to define what it is. Nevertheless I will try to do my best to answer your question. I do believe the bible to be true and the hebrew word for soul is pronounced nay-fesh which literally means a breathing creature, is variously translated as soul, life, person, mind, heart, creature, body, himself, yourselves, dead, will, desire, man, themselves and appetite. The Greek word for soul pronounced psoo-kay, which literally means life's breath or breathing, is variously translated as soul, life, mind and heart. I am not a bible scholar but I think that according to the bible a soul is a living, breathing creature.

But you're not sure. So, the Bible is unclear on what a soul is?

I don't think it's so much the bible is unclear as the fact that I am not smart enough to figure it all out. I admittedly do not fully understand what the soul exactly is, but I wouldn't say that's the bibles fault. I simply haven't studied it enough and it is also hard because I cannot read a lot of hebrew or greek. It is also hard to read it in the context that the author would be writing it in rather than the context I am reading it in.
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4/10/2012 9:02:13 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/10/2012 8:47:24 PM, stubs wrote:
At 4/10/2012 8:33:24 PM, drafterman wrote:


If I was unclear about what you meant by car yes I would ask you to define what it is. Nevertheless I will try to do my best to answer your question. I do believe the bible to be true and the hebrew word for soul is pronounced nay-fesh which literally means a breathing creature, is variously translated as soul, life, person, mind, heart, creature, body, himself, yourselves, dead, will, desire, man, themselves and appetite. The Greek word for soul pronounced psoo-kay, which literally means life's breath or breathing, is variously translated as soul, life, mind and heart. I am not a bible scholar but I think that according to the bible a soul is a living, breathing creature.

But you're not sure. So, the Bible is unclear on what a soul is?

I don't think it's so much the bible is unclear as the fact that I am not smart enough to figure it all out. I admittedly do not fully understand what the soul exactly is, but I wouldn't say that's the bibles fault. I simply haven't studied it enough and it is also hard because I cannot read a lot of hebrew or greek. It is also hard to read it in the context that the author would be writing it in rather than the context I am reading it in.

So, the content of the Bible is only fully accessible to scholars capable of reading ancient languages? That, frankly, is preposterous, especially given in light of the claim that I risk eternal punishment for failing to accept it.
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4/10/2012 9:07:40 PM
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At 4/10/2012 9:02:13 PM, drafterman wrote:


So, the content of the Bible is only fully accessible to scholars capable of reading ancient languages? That, frankly, is preposterous, especially given in light of the claim that I risk eternal punishment for failing to accept it.

I never said that. The bible does not teach that if you don't understand what the soul is there is eternal punishment. The bible only teaches that if someone does not believe in Jesus as their savior they will suffer eternal punishment, and I do not think that someone needs to be a bible scholar to understand that.
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4/10/2012 9:25:43 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/10/2012 9:07:40 PM, stubs wrote:
At 4/10/2012 9:02:13 PM, drafterman wrote:


So, the content of the Bible is only fully accessible to scholars capable of reading ancient languages? That, frankly, is preposterous, especially given in light of the claim that I risk eternal punishment for failing to accept it.

I never said that. The bible does not teach that if you don't understand what the soul is there is eternal punishment. The bible only teaches that if someone does not believe in Jesus as their savior they will suffer eternal punishment, and I do not think that someone needs to be a bible scholar to understand that.

Ah. So what a soul is utterly confounds you, but not the requirements for eternal salvation?
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4/10/2012 9:31:20 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Lack of evidence, and just a feeling too.
Think'st thou heaven is such a glorious thing?
I tell thee, 'tis not half so fair as thou
Or any man that breathes on earth.

- Christopher Marlowe, Doctor Faustus
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4/10/2012 9:58:24 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/10/2012 9:25:43 PM, drafterman wrote:


Ah. So what a soul is utterly confounds you, but not the requirements for eternal salvation?

I wouldn't say that it "utterly confounds" me, but I would say I am not completely sure about what it is. And I would also not say that the requirements for eternal salvation "utterly confounds" me.
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4/11/2012 12:59:01 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/10/2012 6:12:40 PM, stubs wrote:
I want to know what is the main cause for atheism.

We are all atheists when we're born. We shouldn't change that without good grounds.

Is it the believed to be lack of evidence or is it as Brennan Manning said, "The greatest single cause of atheism in the world today is Christians who acknowledge Jesus with their lips and walk out the door and deny Him by their lifestyle, That is what an unbelieving world simply finds unbelievable."

It's that we can't see the difference between the bible and Mother Goose. You need a plausible story, if you want people to believe it. Talking snakes, contradictory gods, worldwide floods, those aren't plausible. They are presumptively false.
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4/11/2012 1:12:03 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/10/2012 9:07:40 PM, stubs wrote:
At 4/10/2012 9:02:13 PM, drafterman wrote:


So, the content of the Bible is only fully accessible to scholars capable of reading ancient languages? That, frankly, is preposterous, especially given in light of the claim that I risk eternal punishment for failing to accept it.

I never said that. The bible does not teach that if you don't understand what the soul is there is eternal punishment. The bible only teaches that if someone does not believe in Jesus as their savior they will suffer eternal punishment, and I do not think that someone needs to be a bible scholar to understand that.
Rev. 21:4 KJV Story book refutes the notion of eternal punishment and states that ' the former things ' shall cease! -

And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death , neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. (Rev. 21:4) KJV Story book

Hence the claim of ' eternal suffering ' is just another christian BS claim even according to their own preferred Story book!

I don't think only a bible scholar is capable of discerning and understanding that!

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