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4/26/2012 3:16:55 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/26/2012 3:09:36 PM, Nosaj5q wrote:
what exactly is you're explanation for the dinosaurs.

what dinosaurs?
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4/26/2012 3:18:48 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/26/2012 3:09:36 PM, Nosaj5q wrote:
what exactly is you're explanation for the dinosaurs?

I'm assuming this is for seven day creationist and not progressive evolutionists or theistic evolutionists?
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4/26/2012 3:28:57 PM
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At 4/26/2012 3:09:36 PM, Nosaj5q wrote:
what exactly is you're explanation for the dinosaurs.

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4/26/2012 4:17:04 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/26/2012 3:09:36 PM, Nosaj5q wrote:
what exactly is you're explanation for the dinosaurs.

Paleontology.
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4/26/2012 4:29:26 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/26/2012 3:09:36 PM, Nosaj5q wrote:
what exactly is you're explanation for the dinosaurs.

God created them. Hence creationist.
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4/26/2012 4:33:45 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/26/2012 3:18:48 PM, stubs wrote:
At 4/26/2012 3:09:36 PM, Nosaj5q wrote:
what exactly is you're explanation for the dinosaurs?

I'm assuming this is for seven day creationist and not progressive evolutionists or theistic evolutionists?

I think you mean he is asking young earth creationists.
It is not a problem for either view, young or old.

Seven day literalist is something entirely different.

They were all killed in the Noahide flood, which would effectively kill all of them.
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4/26/2012 4:36:11 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/26/2012 4:33:45 PM, Gileandos wrote:


I think you mean he is asking young earth creationists.
It is not a problem for either view, young or old.

Seven day literalist is something entirely different.

They were all killed in the Noahide flood, which would effectively kill all of them.

My apologies, I did not know there was a total difference. I just refer to the three most prominent Christian views as instantaneous creation, progressive evolutionists, theistic evolutionists
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4/26/2012 4:45:53 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/26/2012 4:36:11 PM, stubs wrote:
At 4/26/2012 4:33:45 PM, Gileandos wrote:


I think you mean he is asking young earth creationists.
It is not a problem for either view, young or old.

Seven day literalist is something entirely different.

They were all killed in the Noahide flood, which would effectively kill all of them.

My apologies, I did not know there was a total difference. I just refer to the three most prominent Christian views as instantaneous creation, progressive evolutionists, theistic evolutionists

NP. It is just the scale.
- God created the universe, then restored the earth in seven days (Gap Theory)
- God created the universe and the earth all in seven days, unknown timeframe 'ago'.
- God created the universe and the earth all in seven days and did it 6000 years ago (roughly calculated from the generational genealogies within the Bible).

Seven days creation literal and 6000 years are distinct and two separate discussions concerning interpretation. You can assert a literal seven days and not assert 6000 years ago.

Hopefully some clarity there.
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4/26/2012 4:48:10 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Though I am not one, I assume that YEC believe that humans lived with dinosaurs. There are some interesting passages in the bible that describe creatures that could be likened to dinosaurs.

Like this passage from Job:

" Look now at the behemoth, which I made along with you;
He eats grass like an ox.
See now, his strength is in his hips,
And his power is in his stomach muscles.
He moves his tail like a cedar;
The sinews of his thighs are tightly knit.
His bones are like beams of bronze,
His ribs like bars of iron.
He is the first of the ways of God;
Only He who made him can bring near His sword.
Surely the mountains yield food for him,
And all the beasts of the field play there.
He lies under the lotus trees,
In a covert of reeds and marsh.
The lotus trees cover him with their shade;
The willows by the brook surround him.
Indeed the river may rage,
Yet he is not disturbed;
He is confident, though the Jordan gushes into his mouth,
Though he takes it in his eyes,
Or one pierces his nose with a snare."

Heres an interesting link that gives some other examples:

http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com...
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4/26/2012 4:54:05 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/26/2012 4:48:10 PM, Lickdafoot wrote:
Though I am not one, I assume that YEC believe that humans lived with dinosaurs. There are some interesting passages in the bible that describe creatures that could be likened to dinosaurs.

Like this passage from Job:

" Look now at the behemoth, which I made along with you;
He eats grass like an ox.
See now, his strength is in his hips,
And his power is in his stomach muscles.
He moves his tail like a cedar;
The sinews of his thighs are tightly knit.
His bones are like beams of bronze,
His ribs like bars of iron.
He is the first of the ways of God;
Only He who made him can bring near His sword.
Surely the mountains yield food for him,
And all the beasts of the field play there.
He lies under the lotus trees,
In a covert of reeds and marsh.
The lotus trees cover him with their shade;
The willows by the brook surround him.
Indeed the river may rage,
Yet he is not disturbed;
He is confident, though the Jordan gushes into his mouth,
Though he takes it in his eyes,
Or one pierces his nose with a snare."

Heres an interesting link that gives some other examples:

http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com...

Just to add that Job is considered by experts to be the first book in the Bible to be written.
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4/26/2012 4:58:49 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/26/2012 4:48:10 PM, Lickdafoot wrote:
Though I am not one, I assume that YEC believe that humans lived with dinosaurs. There are some interesting passages in the bible that describe creatures that could be likened to dinosaurs.

Like this passage from Job:

" Look now at the behemoth, which I made along with you;
He eats grass like an ox.
See now, his strength is in his hips,
And his power is in his stomach muscles.
He moves his tail like a cedar;
The sinews of his thighs are tightly knit.
His bones are like beams of bronze,
His ribs like bars of iron.
He is the first of the ways of God;
Only He who made him can bring near His sword.
Surely the mountains yield food for him,
And all the beasts of the field play there.
He lies under the lotus trees,
In a covert of reeds and marsh.
The lotus trees cover him with their shade;
The willows by the brook surround him.
Indeed the river may rage,
Yet he is not disturbed;
He is confident, though the Jordan gushes into his mouth,
Though he takes it in his eyes,
Or one pierces his nose with a snare."

Heres an interesting link that gives some other examples:

http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com...

I agree here as well.
I would also state even though I am not Young Earth, I believe there is enough evidence to convince me humans and dinosaurs co existed, not just within the Bible.
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4/26/2012 5:03:34 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/26/2012 4:58:49 PM, Gileandos wrote:

I agree here as well.
I would also state even though I am not Young Earth, I believe there is enough evidence to convince me humans and dinosaurs co existed, not just within the Bible.

Oh really? Interesting. What evidence would that be?
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4/26/2012 5:16:48 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/26/2012 5:03:34 PM, Lickdafoot wrote:
At 4/26/2012 4:58:49 PM, Gileandos wrote:

I agree here as well.
I would also state even though I am not Young Earth, I believe there is enough evidence to convince me humans and dinosaurs co existed, not just within the Bible.

Oh really? Interesting. What evidence would that be?

http://www.dinosaursandman.com...

This is just the visual evidence like the burials stones and such from the America's.

If you include the literature like the flying serpents recorded in Wales hunted to extinction for killing farmers chickens and such, you get a pretty comprehensive idea they coexisted for quite some time.
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4/26/2012 5:51:49 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Explain how the large cold blooded reptiles even survive in the current earths environment?

Water Canopy any one??

haven't heard anyone mention this hypo yet.
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4/26/2012 5:52:19 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/26/2012 3:09:36 PM, Nosaj5q wrote:
what exactly is you're explanation for the dinosaurs.

God created dinosaurs so that we could have fossil fuels
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4/26/2012 6:07:14 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/26/2012 5:51:49 PM, Paradox_7 wrote:
Explain how the large cold blooded reptiles even survive in the current earths environment?

Water Canopy any one??

haven't heard anyone mention this hypo yet.

At this point scientists do not believe them to be large cold blooded reptiles :)
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4/26/2012 7:20:51 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/26/2012 5:52:19 PM, IveGotUrOuts wrote:
At 4/26/2012 3:09:36 PM, Nosaj5q wrote:
what exactly is you're explanation for the dinosaurs.

God created dinosaurs so that we could have fossil feuds
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4/26/2012 8:35:55 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/26/2012 6:07:14 PM, Gileandos wrote:
At 4/26/2012 5:51:49 PM, Paradox_7 wrote:
Explain how the large cold blooded reptiles even survive in the current earths environment?

Water Canopy any one??

haven't heard anyone mention this hypo yet.

At this point scientists do not believe them to be large cold blooded reptiles :)


Not completely true.

Recent studies has "some" scientists believing they were warm-blooded; but this is not at all certain, and the ball is still up in the air.

However...

The studies in support of a cold-blooded dinosaurs seem to be the most plausible.
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4/26/2012 8:38:43 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/26/2012 8:35:55 PM, Paradox_7 wrote:
At 4/26/2012 6:07:14 PM, Gileandos wrote:
At 4/26/2012 5:51:49 PM, Paradox_7 wrote:
Explain how the large cold blooded reptiles even survive in the current earths environment?

Water Canopy any one??

haven't heard anyone mention this hypo yet.

At this point scientists do not believe them to be large cold blooded reptiles :)


Not completely true.

Recent studies has "some" scientists believing they were warm-blooded; but this is not at all certain, and the ball is still up in the air.

However...

The studies in support of a cold-blooded dinosaurs seem to be the most plausible.

Who cares? They're all dead. Also, you'll never know for sure. For all we know they were rainbow and ate nuts off trees. With bones it's all a guessing game. They haven't had blood in their bodies for millions of years.
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4/26/2012 8:58:01 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/26/2012 8:38:43 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 4/26/2012 8:35:55 PM, Paradox_7 wrote:
At 4/26/2012 6:07:14 PM, Gileandos wrote:
At 4/26/2012 5:51:49 PM, Paradox_7 wrote:
Explain how the large cold blooded reptiles even survive in the current earths environment?

Water Canopy any one??

haven't heard anyone mention this hypo yet.

At this point scientists do not believe them to be large cold blooded reptiles :)


Not completely true.

Recent studies has "some" scientists believing they were warm-blooded; but this is not at all certain, and the ball is still up in the air.

However...

The studies in support of a cold-blooded dinosaurs seem to be the most plausible.

Who cares? They're all dead. Also, you'll never know for sure. For all we know they were rainbow and ate nuts off trees. With bones it's all a guessing game. They haven't had blood in their bodies for millions of years.


Millions of years? who knows..

But if there was a pre-flood water canopy surrounding the earth it would answer a ton of questions in regards to:

Dinosaurs massive size
Dinosaurs possible cause of extinction
Longevity of life for all creatures
Why the earth appears to be so old

Pretty interesting sh*t..
: At 10/23/2012 8:06:03 PM, tvellalott wrote:
: Don't be. The Catholic Church is ran by Darth Sidius for fvck sake. As far as I'm concerned, you're a bona fide member of the Sith.
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4/26/2012 8:59:52 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/26/2012 8:58:01 PM, Paradox_7 wrote:
At 4/26/2012 8:38:43 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 4/26/2012 8:35:55 PM, Paradox_7 wrote:
At 4/26/2012 6:07:14 PM, Gileandos wrote:
At 4/26/2012 5:51:49 PM, Paradox_7 wrote:
Explain how the large cold blooded reptiles even survive in the current earths environment?

Water Canopy any one??

haven't heard anyone mention this hypo yet.

At this point scientists do not believe them to be large cold blooded reptiles :)


Not completely true.

Recent studies has "some" scientists believing they were warm-blooded; but this is not at all certain, and the ball is still up in the air.

However...

The studies in support of a cold-blooded dinosaurs seem to be the most plausible.

Who cares? They're all dead. Also, you'll never know for sure. For all we know they were rainbow and ate nuts off trees. With bones it's all a guessing game. They haven't had blood in their bodies for millions of years.


Millions of years? who knows..

But if there was a pre-flood water canopy surrounding the earth it would answer a ton of questions in regards to:

Dinosaurs massive size
Dinosaurs possible cause of extinction
Longevity of life for all creatures
Why the earth appears to be so old

Pretty interesting sh*t..

There is no evidence for a "pre-flood water canopy" (biblical or otherwise). Are you a YEC?
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4/26/2012 9:09:05 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/26/2012 8:58:01 PM, Paradox_7 wrote:
At 4/26/2012 8:38:43 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 4/26/2012 8:35:55 PM, Paradox_7 wrote:
At 4/26/2012 6:07:14 PM, Gileandos wrote:
At 4/26/2012 5:51:49 PM, Paradox_7 wrote:
Explain how the large cold blooded reptiles even survive in the current earths environment?

Water Canopy any one??

haven't heard anyone mention this hypo yet.

At this point scientists do not believe them to be large cold blooded reptiles :)


Not completely true.

Recent studies has "some" scientists believing they were warm-blooded; but this is not at all certain, and the ball is still up in the air.

However...

The studies in support of a cold-blooded dinosaurs seem to be the most plausible.

Who cares? They're all dead. Also, you'll never know for sure. For all we know they were rainbow and ate nuts off trees. With bones it's all a guessing game. They haven't had blood in their bodies for millions of years.


Millions of years? who knows..

But if there was a pre-flood water canopy surrounding the earth it would answer a ton of questions in regards to:

Dinosaurs massive size
Dinosaurs possible cause of extinction
Longevity of life for all creatures
Why the earth appears to be so old

Pretty interesting sh*t..

Explain what a "pre-flood water canopy" is please. I've never heard of this.
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4/26/2012 10:15:24 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/26/2012 4:48:10 PM, Lickdafoot wrote:
Though I am not one, I assume that YEC believe that humans lived with dinosaurs. There are some interesting passages in the bible that describe creatures that could be likened to dinosaurs.

Like this passage from Job:

" Look now at the behemoth, which I made along with you;
He eats grass like an ox.
See now, his strength is in his hips,
And his power is in his stomach muscles.
He moves his tail like a cedar;
The sinews of his thighs are tightly knit.
His bones are like beams of bronze,
His ribs like bars of iron.
He is the first of the ways of God;
Only He who made him can bring near His sword.
Surely the mountains yield food for him,
And all the beasts of the field play there.
He lies under the lotus trees,
In a covert of reeds and marsh.
The lotus trees cover him with their shade;
The willows by the brook surround him.
Indeed the river may rage,
Yet he is not disturbed;
He is confident, though the Jordan gushes into his mouth,
Though he takes it in his eyes,
Or one pierces his nose with a snare."

Heres an interesting link that gives some other examples:

http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com...

To assume the writer is describing a dinosaur is like using the prophecies of Nostradamus to make predictions.
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4/26/2012 10:17:00 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/26/2012 9:09:05 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 4/26/2012 8:58:01 PM, Paradox_7 wrote:
At 4/26/2012 8:38:43 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 4/26/2012 8:35:55 PM, Paradox_7 wrote:
At 4/26/2012 6:07:14 PM, Gileandos wrote:
At 4/26/2012 5:51:49 PM, Paradox_7 wrote:
Explain how the large cold blooded reptiles even survive in the current earths environment?

Water Canopy any one??

haven't heard anyone mention this hypo yet.

At this point scientists do not believe them to be large cold blooded reptiles :)


Not completely true.

Recent studies has "some" scientists believing they were warm-blooded; but this is not at all certain, and the ball is still up in the air.

However...

The studies in support of a cold-blooded dinosaurs seem to be the most plausible.

Who cares? They're all dead. Also, you'll never know for sure. For all we know they were rainbow and ate nuts off trees. With bones it's all a guessing game. They haven't had blood in their bodies for millions of years.


Millions of years? who knows..

But if there was a pre-flood water canopy surrounding the earth it would answer a ton of questions in regards to:

Dinosaurs massive size
Dinosaurs possible cause of extinction
Longevity of life for all creatures
Why the earth appears to be so old

Pretty interesting sh*t..

Explain what a "pre-flood water canopy" is please. I've never heard of this.

It's supposed to answer several questions, a large on being "how did God flood the earth without creating a bunch of new water."

It is also supposed to explain how people could live hundreds of years before the flood, but not after.

A water canopy is what it sounds like, water surrounding the earth like an ozone layer. The canopy fell during the flood.

Problem is that H20 in the atmosphere will do the same thing is does now: contribute to the heat trapping that leads to global warming.

So, you essentially create an enormous furnace on earth until the flood. Hundreds, possibly thousands of times worse than what carbon dioxide is predicted to do in a worse case global warming scenario.

Not too convincing.
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4/26/2012 11:46:10 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/26/2012 10:17:00 PM, Wnope wrote:
At 4/26/2012 9:09:05 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 4/26/2012 8:58:01 PM, Paradox_7 wrote:
At 4/26/2012 8:38:43 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 4/26/2012 8:35:55 PM, Paradox_7 wrote:
At 4/26/2012 6:07:14 PM, Gileandos wrote:
At 4/26/2012 5:51:49 PM, Paradox_7 wrote:
Explain how the large cold blooded reptiles even survive in the current earths environment?

Water Canopy any one??

haven't heard anyone mention this hypo yet.

At this point scientists do not believe them to be large cold blooded reptiles :)


Not completely true.

Recent studies has "some" scientists believing they were warm-blooded; but this is not at all certain, and the ball is still up in the air.

However...

The studies in support of a cold-blooded dinosaurs seem to be the most plausible.

Who cares? They're all dead. Also, you'll never know for sure. For all we know they were rainbow and ate nuts off trees. With bones it's all a guessing game. They haven't had blood in their bodies for millions of years.


Millions of years? who knows..

But if there was a pre-flood water canopy surrounding the earth it would answer a ton of questions in regards to:

Dinosaurs massive size
Dinosaurs possible cause of extinction
Longevity of life for all creatures
Why the earth appears to be so old

Pretty interesting sh*t..

Explain what a "pre-flood water canopy" is please. I've never heard of this.

It's supposed to answer several questions, a large on being "how did God flood the earth without creating a bunch of new water."

It is also supposed to explain how people could live hundreds of years before the flood, but not after.

A water canopy is what it sounds like, water surrounding the earth like an ozone layer. The canopy fell during the flood.

Problem is that H20 in the atmosphere will do the same thing is does now: contribute to the heat trapping that leads to global warming.

So, you essentially create an enormous furnace on earth until the flood. Hundreds, possibly thousands of times worse than what carbon dioxide is predicted to do in a worse case global warming scenario.

Not too convincing.

You are correct on all but the last point. An internal cooling system (oceans) and different place in relation to the sun would all account for the heat differential.

@conservative
The canopy evidence comes from scripture in stating "the heavens opened up" and proceeded to rain more rain than could ever be in any present day storm cloud. It is highly likely if scripture is accurate a cloud canopy would actually explain all of these things.
The whole in the ozone with the 'bursting out water' from the ground also fits this model.

I believe YEC will one day prove the Water Canopy when ice crystals are discovered orbiting earth/sun that fits the model. They will need money for such research though.
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4/26/2012 11:49:06 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/26/2012 11:46:10 PM, Gileandos wrote:
At 4/26/2012 10:17:00 PM, Wnope wrote:
At 4/26/2012 9:09:05 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 4/26/2012 8:58:01 PM, Paradox_7 wrote:
At 4/26/2012 8:38:43 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 4/26/2012 8:35:55 PM, Paradox_7 wrote:
At 4/26/2012 6:07:14 PM, Gileandos wrote:
At 4/26/2012 5:51:49 PM, Paradox_7 wrote:
Explain how the large cold blooded reptiles even survive in the current earths environment?

Water Canopy any one??

haven't heard anyone mention this hypo yet.

At this point scientists do not believe them to be large cold blooded reptiles :)


Not completely true.

Recent studies has "some" scientists believing they were warm-blooded; but this is not at all certain, and the ball is still up in the air.

However...

The studies in support of a cold-blooded dinosaurs seem to be the most plausible.

Who cares? They're all dead. Also, you'll never know for sure. For all we know they were rainbow and ate nuts off trees. With bones it's all a guessing game. They haven't had blood in their bodies for millions of years.


Millions of years? who knows..

But if there was a pre-flood water canopy surrounding the earth it would answer a ton of questions in regards to:

Dinosaurs massive size
Dinosaurs possible cause of extinction
Longevity of life for all creatures
Why the earth appears to be so old

Pretty interesting sh*t..

Explain what a "pre-flood water canopy" is please. I've never heard of this.

It's supposed to answer several questions, a large on being "how did God flood the earth without creating a bunch of new water."

It is also supposed to explain how people could live hundreds of years before the flood, but not after.

A water canopy is what it sounds like, water surrounding the earth like an ozone layer. The canopy fell during the flood.

Problem is that H20 in the atmosphere will do the same thing is does now: contribute to the heat trapping that leads to global warming.

So, you essentially create an enormous furnace on earth until the flood. Hundreds, possibly thousands of times worse than what carbon dioxide is predicted to do in a worse case global warming scenario.

Not too convincing.

You are correct on all but the last point. An internal cooling system (oceans) and different place in relation to the sun would all account for the heat differential.

@conservative
The canopy evidence comes from scripture in stating "the heavens opened up" and proceeded to rain more rain than could ever be in any present day storm cloud. It is highly likely if scripture is accurate a cloud canopy would actually explain all of these things.
The whole in the ozone with the 'bursting out water' from the ground also fits this model.

I believe YEC will one day prove the Water Canopy when ice crystals are discovered orbiting earth/sun that fits the model. They will need money for such research though.

Interesting. I don't know if I exactly buy it but it's interesting.

Aren't dinosaurs always depicted in like a tropical setting? Maybe the Earth was hotter? I don't know.

I like to believe about dinosaurs that when God was creating Earth (I'm not a 7 day literalist) that he made dinosaurs, didn't like them, destroyed them and started over with mammals.

It could all fit into the day God created the beasts of the land.
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4/26/2012 11:54:23 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/26/2012 11:49:06 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 4/26/2012 11:46:10 PM, Gileandos wrote:
At 4/26/2012 10:17:00 PM, Wnope wrote:
At 4/26/2012 9:09:05 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 4/26/2012 8:58:01 PM, Paradox_7 wrote:
At 4/26/2012 8:38:43 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 4/26/2012 8:35:55 PM, Paradox_7 wrote:
At 4/26/2012 6:07:14 PM, Gileandos wrote:
At 4/26/2012 5:51:49 PM, Paradox_7 wrote:
Explain how the large cold blooded reptiles even survive in the current earths environment?

Water Canopy any one??

haven't heard anyone mention this hypo yet.

At this point scientists do not believe them to be large cold blooded reptiles :)


Not completely true.

Recent studies has "some" scientists believing they were warm-blooded; but this is not at all certain, and the ball is still up in the air.

However...

The studies in support of a cold-blooded dinosaurs seem to be the most plausible.

Who cares? They're all dead. Also, you'll never know for sure. For all we know they were rainbow and ate nuts off trees. With bones it's all a guessing game. They haven't had blood in their bodies for millions of years.


Millions of years? who knows..

But if there was a pre-flood water canopy surrounding the earth it would answer a ton of questions in regards to:

Dinosaurs massive size
Dinosaurs possible cause of extinction
Longevity of life for all creatures
Why the earth appears to be so old

Pretty interesting sh*t..

Explain what a "pre-flood water canopy" is please. I've never heard of this.

It's supposed to answer several questions, a large on being "how did God flood the earth without creating a bunch of new water."

It is also supposed to explain how people could live hundreds of years before the flood, but not after.

A water canopy is what it sounds like, water surrounding the earth like an ozone layer. The canopy fell during the flood.

Problem is that H20 in the atmosphere will do the same thing is does now: contribute to the heat trapping that leads to global warming.

So, you essentially create an enormous furnace on earth until the flood. Hundreds, possibly thousands of times worse than what carbon dioxide is predicted to do in a worse case global warming scenario.

Not too convincing.

You are correct on all but the last point. An internal cooling system (oceans) and different place in relation to the sun would all account for the heat differential.

@conservative
The canopy evidence comes from scripture in stating "the heavens opened up" and proceeded to rain more rain than could ever be in any present day storm cloud. It is highly likely if scripture is accurate a cloud canopy would actually explain all of these things.
The whole in the ozone with the 'bursting out water' from the ground also fits this model.

I believe YEC will one day prove the Water Canopy when ice crystals are discovered orbiting earth/sun that fits the model. They will need money for such research though.

Interesting. I don't know if I exactly buy it but it's interesting.

Aren't dinosaurs always depicted in like a tropical setting? Maybe the Earth was hotter? I don't know.

I like to believe about dinosaurs that when God was creating Earth (I'm not a 7 day literalist) that he made dinosaurs, didn't like them, destroyed them and started over with mammals.

It could all fit into the day God created the beasts of the land.

Very good point on the Heat of the earth. The earth was known to be MUCH warmer, swamps all the way up in Northern Alaska. They have an active Dino Dig there now.
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4/26/2012 11:55:37 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 4/26/2012 11:54:23 PM, Gileandos wrote:
At 4/26/2012 11:49:06 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 4/26/2012 11:46:10 PM, Gileandos wrote:
At 4/26/2012 10:17:00 PM, Wnope wrote:
At 4/26/2012 9:09:05 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 4/26/2012 8:58:01 PM, Paradox_7 wrote:
At 4/26/2012 8:38:43 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
At 4/26/2012 8:35:55 PM, Paradox_7 wrote:
At 4/26/2012 6:07:14 PM, Gileandos wrote:
At 4/26/2012 5:51:49 PM, Paradox_7 wrote:
Explain how the large cold blooded reptiles even survive in the current earths environment?

Water Canopy any one??

haven't heard anyone mention this hypo yet.

At this point scientists do not believe them to be large cold blooded reptiles :)


Not completely true.

Recent studies has "some" scientists believing they were warm-blooded; but this is not at all certain, and the ball is still up in the air.

However...

The studies in support of a cold-blooded dinosaurs seem to be the most plausible.

Who cares? They're all dead. Also, you'll never know for sure. For all we know they were rainbow and ate nuts off trees. With bones it's all a guessing game. They haven't had blood in their bodies for millions of years.


Millions of years? who knows..

But if there was a pre-flood water canopy surrounding the earth it would answer a ton of questions in regards to:

Dinosaurs massive size
Dinosaurs possible cause of extinction
Longevity of life for all creatures
Why the earth appears to be so old

Pretty interesting sh*t..

Explain what a "pre-flood water canopy" is please. I've never heard of this.

It's supposed to answer several questions, a large on being "how did God flood the earth without creating a bunch of new water."

It is also supposed to explain how people could live hundreds of years before the flood, but not after.

A water canopy is what it sounds like, water surrounding the earth like an ozone layer. The canopy fell during the flood.

Problem is that H20 in the atmosphere will do the same thing is does now: contribute to the heat trapping that leads to global warming.

So, you essentially create an enormous furnace on earth until the flood. Hundreds, possibly thousands of times worse than what carbon dioxide is predicted to do in a worse case global warming scenario.

Not too convincing.

You are correct on all but the last point. An internal cooling system (oceans) and different place in relation to the sun would all account for the heat differential.

@conservative
The canopy evidence comes from scripture in stating "the heavens opened up" and proceeded to rain more rain than could ever be in any present day storm cloud. It is highly likely if scripture is accurate a cloud canopy would actually explain all of these things.
The whole in the ozone with the 'bursting out water' from the ground also fits this model.

I believe YEC will one day prove the Water Canopy when ice crystals are discovered orbiting earth/sun that fits the model. They will need money for such research though.

Interesting. I don't know if I exactly buy it but it's interesting.

Aren't dinosaurs always depicted in like a tropical setting? Maybe the Earth was hotter? I don't know.

I like to believe about dinosaurs that when God was creating Earth (I'm not a 7 day literalist) that he made dinosaurs, didn't like them, destroyed them and started over with mammals.

It could all fit into the day God created the beasts of the land.

Very good point on the Heat of the earth. The earth was known to be MUCH warmer, swamps all the way up in Northern Alaska. They have an active Dino Dig there now.

Yeah I always read that North Dakota was a hot desert, the ice caps were super small, Florida was underwater etc.

Could be the water canopy, who knows. I've never heard this theory before. I find it highly interesting.
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4/27/2012 12:04:51 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Wait but Genesis says that after the flood the waters receded and dried away ... which suggests more that God just placed the water there and then dried it up. If it were a natural water canopy the water would not have dried up so quickly.