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5/12/2012 7:07:08 PM
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Why should I become a member of YOUR branch of Christianity? Christianity has over 30K denominations all claiming to be the "true" church - it is far from homologous cult. Why should I choose your Christianity over orthodoxy, catholic, or (insert Christian denomination here)
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5/12/2012 7:16:28 PM
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At 5/12/2012 7:07:08 PM, Microsuck wrote:
Why should I become a member of YOUR branch of Christianity? Christianity has over 30K denominations all claiming to be the "true" church - it is far from homologous cult. Why should I choose your Christianity over orthodoxy, catholic, or (insert Christian denomination here)

It depends on your personal interpretation of Christianity
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5/12/2012 7:35:40 PM
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Depends. What one states that I can get pissed and shag as many people as I like?
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5/12/2012 8:11:00 PM
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At 5/12/2012 7:07:08 PM, Microsuck wrote:
Why should I become a member of YOUR branch of Christianity? Christianity has over 30K denominations all claiming to be the "true" church - it is far from homologous cult. Why should I choose your Christianity over orthodoxy, catholic, or (insert Christian denomination here)

I'd say just take the Bible and the Bible alone as your sole guide for faith and practice. Look around for a group of people that go by the Bible alone as far as name, doctrine, organization, practice, and worship. That'll be a start, and will eliminate 99.9% of those "30,000" to which you refer.
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5/12/2012 8:11:07 PM
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At 5/12/2012 7:07:08 PM, Microsuck wrote:
Why should I become a member of YOUR branch of Christianity? Christianity has over 30K denominations all claiming to be the "true" church - it is far from homologous cult. Why should I choose your Christianity over orthodoxy, catholic, or (insert Christian denomination here)

What demonetization were your parents? That's the only factor that really matters.
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5/12/2012 8:34:16 PM
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At 5/12/2012 8:11:07 PM, Maikuru wrote:
At 5/12/2012 7:07:08 PM, Microsuck wrote:
Why should I become a member of YOUR branch of Christianity? Christianity has over 30K denominations all claiming to be the "true" church - it is far from homologous cult. Why should I choose your Christianity over orthodoxy, catholic, or (insert Christian denomination here)

What demonetization were your parents? That's the only factor that really matters.

"Demonetization" -- the fact that your misspelling ended up as an actual word is awesome :D
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5/12/2012 8:40:51 PM
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At 5/12/2012 8:37:53 PM, Nosaj5q wrote:
i believe the correct term is denomination HAIL GRAMMAR!

I didn't even capitalize my "I" I guess I might as well join the allies...sigh.
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5/12/2012 9:07:14 PM
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I don't belong to a specific branch. Reffering to yourself as Baptist, Methodist, Catholic etc...tends to push people into a certain frame of beliefs typical of that denomination which limits free thinking.
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5/12/2012 9:23:16 PM
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Ignore Christianity

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5/12/2012 9:29:02 PM
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At 5/12/2012 8:11:00 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 5/12/2012 7:07:08 PM, Microsuck wrote:
Why should I become a member of YOUR branch of Christianity? Christianity has over 30K denominations all claiming to be the "true" church - it is far from homologous cult. Why should I choose your Christianity over orthodoxy, catholic, or (insert Christian denomination here)

I'd say just take the Bible and the Bible alone as your sole guide for faith and practice. Look around for a group of people that go by the Bible alone as far as name, doctrine, organization, practice, and worship. That'll be a start, and will eliminate 99.9% of those "30,000" to which you refer.

This is a lie of many modern churches and preaches, that they go by the bible alone. Its just flat out false, they interpret the bible. In other words there is more at play than just the "bible alone".

This is why you can get everything from we have to kill the homosexuals to we used to have to kill the homosexuals, to okey we have to ban gay marriage but not kill the homosexuals to its okey to allow gays to marry.

It all depends how you interpret what ever bible passages you resort to, are they to be applied as an absolute or not ? and if not, when and where do they not apply.

This is all subject to interpretation, and you know it.

"thou shalt not bare false witness" ponder on that.,
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5/12/2012 9:35:17 PM
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At 5/12/2012 9:29:02 PM, Illegalcombatant wrote:
At 5/12/2012 8:11:00 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 5/12/2012 7:07:08 PM, Microsuck wrote:
Why should I become a member of YOUR branch of Christianity? Christianity has over 30K denominations all claiming to be the "true" church - it is far from homologous cult. Why should I choose your Christianity over orthodoxy, catholic, or (insert Christian denomination here)

I'd say just take the Bible and the Bible alone as your sole guide for faith and practice. Look around for a group of people that go by the Bible alone as far as name, doctrine, organization, practice, and worship. That'll be a start, and will eliminate 99.9% of those "30,000" to which you refer.

This is a lie of many modern churches and preaches, that they go by the bible alone. Its just flat out false, they interpret the bible. In other words there is more at play than just the "bible alone".

This is why you can get everything from we have to kill the homosexuals to we used to have to kill the homosexuals, to okey we have to ban gay marriage but not kill the homosexuals to its okey to allow gays to marry.

It all depends how you interpret what ever bible passages you resort to, are they to be applied as an absolute or not ? and if not, when and where do they not apply.

This is all subject to interpretation, and you know it.

"thou shalt not bare false witness" ponder on that.,

Name a single church that preaches this. Not even WBC holds this viewpoint.
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5/12/2012 9:45:59 PM
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At 5/12/2012 7:07:08 PM, Microsuck wrote:
Why should I become a member of YOUR branch of Christianity? Christianity has over 30K denominations all claiming to be the "true" church - it is far from homologous cult. Why should I choose your Christianity over orthodoxy, catholic, or (insert Christian denomination here)

And that's the things with this evangelical movement. They say its all about Jesus, but in their deeds is all about advancing a certain economic/social agenda/political agenda.

They will use government power to stop gay marriage or abortion expanded government force and power such as military, cia, police etc, but suggest that government power should be used to ensure that the poor, sick, desperate, powerless people have food, shelter, health care etc watch them raise hell.
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5/12/2012 9:47:37 PM
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At 5/12/2012 9:35:17 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:

Name a single church that preaches this. Not even WBC holds this viewpoint.

The bible says it, it's in the Old Testament. His point is that homosexuals used to be severely persecuted if not killed but now they are accepted in society as equals.

Instead of drawing conclusions from the verses in the bible, the conclusion is first formulated then verses are found to suit that idea which is dishonest.

As a christian you should believe homosexuals be put to death lest you disagree with the bible, a book which you believe to be from God.
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5/12/2012 9:50:40 PM
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At 5/12/2012 9:47:37 PM, Ahmed.M wrote:
At 5/12/2012 9:35:17 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:

Name a single church that preaches this. Not even WBC holds this viewpoint.

The bible says it, it's in the Old Testament. His point is that homosexuals used to be severely persecuted if not killed but now they are accepted in society as equals.

Instead of drawing conclusions from the verses in the bible, the conclusion is first formulated then verses are found to suit that idea which is dishonest.

As a christian you should believe homosexuals be put to death lest you disagree with the bible, a book which you believe to be from God.

My point was not whether or not it can be found in the Bible. Illegalcombatant stated that Churches have a diverse range of interpretations of the Bible, and listed evidence as a few of the many supposed interpretations. He proceeded to list the interpretation of killing homosexuals as a modern interpretation by a Christian church. I disagreed and asked him to name at least one Church that preaches that.

Nowhere did I argue it was not found in the Bible, I argued that as a modern-day interpretation it is obsolete.
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5/12/2012 9:53:55 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/12/2012 9:47:37 PM, Ahmed.M wrote:
At 5/12/2012 9:35:17 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:

Name a single church that preaches this. Not even WBC holds this viewpoint.

The bible says it, it's in the Old Testament. His point is that homosexuals used to be severely persecuted if not killed but now they are accepted in society as equals.

Instead of drawing conclusions from the verses in the bible, the conclusion is first formulated then verses are found to suit that idea which is dishonest.

As a christian you should believe homosexuals be put to death lest you disagree with the bible, a book which you believe to be from God.

Furthermore, I would like to point out that the Old Testament is indeed obsolete among Christians as a basis for moral law.

"When God speaks of a "new" covenant, it means he has made the first one obsolete. It is now out of date and will soon disappear." (Hebrews 8:13)
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5/12/2012 9:55:44 PM
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At 5/12/2012 7:07:08 PM, Microsuck wrote:
Why should I become a member of YOUR branch of Christianity? Christianity has over 30K denominations all claiming to be the "true" church - it is far from homologous cult. Why should I choose your Christianity over orthodoxy, catholic, or (insert Christian denomination here)

Well, Catholicism and orthodoxy are the originals. Orthodoxy (correct my if I'm wrong) believe that the knowledge of God is implanted in human nature. Not likely. There is no knowledge of God. Only faith. We have no proof he exists, only the hope and faith that he does. Catholicism has it's problems as well, but I believe it is the truth if any of the Christian doctrine is. While I'm a catholic right now, I am considering deism. I personally believe that in order to make it to heaven (if such place exists, which I believe it does), you have to be a good person, and have a good moral life. While the catholic church teaches you to do this, it has other guidelines on what to believe in order to consider yourself a good catholic. I personally don't believe most of the old testament for example. I also don't hate on gay people. I also don't believe prayer works (long story for that). All in all, if you're a good person, I see no reason why God should send you to hell. Just because I don't believe prayer works, or that the stories in the old testament happened, or because I don't believe that gay people are the spawns of Satan, doesn't mean I should go to hell, as long as God is as loving as he is made off to be. Point is, I don't see the point in religion. God gave us the ten commandments, and none of them mentioned following a particular religion. The closest is "thou shall not have any false god's before me". Well, when this happened, he was a Jewish God. Then he's a Catholic God. Point is, I don't know what to believe, so why not just be a deist. Believe in God, don't follow a religion. Makes sense to me anyway.
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5/12/2012 9:56:38 PM
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At 5/12/2012 9:35:17 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
At 5/12/2012 9:29:02 PM, Illegalcombatant wrote:
At 5/12/2012 8:11:00 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 5/12/2012 7:07:08 PM, Microsuck wrote:
Why should I become a member of YOUR branch of Christianity? Christianity has over 30K denominations all claiming to be the "true" church - it is far from homologous cult. Why should I choose your Christianity over orthodoxy, catholic, or (insert Christian denomination here)

I'd say just take the Bible and the Bible alone as your sole guide for faith and practice. Look around for a group of people that go by the Bible alone as far as name, doctrine, organization, practice, and worship. That'll be a start, and will eliminate 99.9% of those "30,000" to which you refer.

This is a lie of many modern churches and preaches, that they go by the bible alone. Its just flat out false, they interpret the bible. In other words there is more at play than just the "bible alone".

This is why you can get everything from we have to kill the homosexuals to we used to have to kill the homosexuals, to okey we have to ban gay marriage but not kill the homosexuals to its okey to allow gays to marry.

It all depends how you interpret what ever bible passages you resort to, are they to be applied as an absolute or not ? and if not, when and where do they not apply.

This is all subject to interpretation, and you know it.

"thou shalt not bare false witness" ponder on that.,

Name a single church that preaches this. Not even WBC holds this viewpoint.

There are people who believe that homosexuals should be put to death based on Gods law as laid out in (Deuteronomy ?). They don't pick and choose what to follow.

Hey at least they gets points for consistency. Yes I understand this is a very small minority, but your missing the point, you can't get away with this "bible alone" stuff. Its a lie.

Lets look at some possible positions based on the bible concerning practicing homosexuals.

1) Kill them, more specially stone them to death
2) Kill them - doesn't have to be stoning as long as you kill them
3) Imprisonment
4) Fine them
5) Legal but gay marriage is illegal
6) Legal and gay marriage is legal
7) No position taken

This doesn't cover all options but you get the idea, now based on the BIBLE ALONE, what shall we do ? And I mean BIBLE ALONE, not BIBLE + my interpretation, cause after all, they preach bible alone right ?
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5/12/2012 9:58:13 PM
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Facts are that Puss_y_cats are far more beneficial than Story book jesus -

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In general, higher rates of belief in and worship of a creator correlate with higher rates of homicide, juvenile and early adult mortality, STD infection rates, teen pregnancy, and abortion in the prosperous democracies... The United States is almost always the most dysfunctional of the developed democracies, sometimes spectacularly so, and almost always scores poorly. The view of the U.S. as a "shining city on the hill" to the rest of the world is falsified when it comes to basic measures of societal health.
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Although they are by no means utopias, the populations of secular democracies are clearly able to govern themselves and maintain societal cohesion. Indeed, the data examined in this study demonstrates that only the more secular, pro-evolution democracies have, for the first time in history, come closest to achieving practical "cultures of life" that feature low rates of lethal crime, juvenile-adult mortality, sex related dysfunction, and even abortion. The least theistic secular developed democracies such as Japan, France, and Scandinavia have been most successful in these regards. (Source: http://stupac2.blogspot.com.au...)
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5/12/2012 9:58:13 PM
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At 5/12/2012 9:50:40 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:

My point was not whether or not it can be found in the Bible. Illegalcombatant stated that Churches have a diverse range of interpretations of the Bible, and listed evidence as a few of the many supposed interpretations. He proceeded to list the interpretation of killing homosexuals as a modern interpretation by a Christian church. I disagreed and asked him to name at least one Church that preaches that.

Nowhere did I argue it was not found in the Bible, I argued that as a modern-day interpretation it is obsolete.

How could anyone interpret this verse in any other way. It is impossible to fathom.

==Book of Leviticus Chapter 20 Verse 13==
"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."

What is the 'modern day interpretation' of this verse? BTW this proves my point from before that instead of drawing conclusions from the verses we already have a presupposition (conclusion) and are interpreting the verses to suit the goals, that is dishonest.

Any objective and unbiased reader of the verse would conclude that this clearly says homosexuals should be put to death. If you are a christian and believe the bible is from God, then you necessarily have to follow and believe this.
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5/12/2012 10:00:31 PM
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At 5/12/2012 9:56:38 PM, Illegalcombatant wrote:
At 5/12/2012 9:35:17 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
At 5/12/2012 9:29:02 PM, Illegalcombatant wrote:
At 5/12/2012 8:11:00 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 5/12/2012 7:07:08 PM, Microsuck wrote:
Why should I become a member of YOUR branch of Christianity? Christianity has over 30K denominations all claiming to be the "true" church - it is far from homologous cult. Why should I choose your Christianity over orthodoxy, catholic, or (insert Christian denomination here)

I'd say just take the Bible and the Bible alone as your sole guide for faith and practice. Look around for a group of people that go by the Bible alone as far as name, doctrine, organization, practice, and worship. That'll be a start, and will eliminate 99.9% of those "30,000" to which you refer.

This is a lie of many modern churches and preaches, that they go by the bible alone. Its just flat out false, they interpret the bible. In other words there is more at play than just the "bible alone".

This is why you can get everything from we have to kill the homosexuals to we used to have to kill the homosexuals, to okey we have to ban gay marriage but not kill the homosexuals to its okey to allow gays to marry.

It all depends how you interpret what ever bible passages you resort to, are they to be applied as an absolute or not ? and if not, when and where do they not apply.

This is all subject to interpretation, and you know it.

"thou shalt not bare false witness" ponder on that.,

Name a single church that preaches this. Not even WBC holds this viewpoint.

There are people who believe that homosexuals should be put to death based on Gods law as laid out in (Deuteronomy ?). They don't pick and choose what to follow.

Hey at least they gets points for consistency. Yes I understand this is a very small minority, but your missing the point, you can't get away with this "bible alone" stuff. Its a lie.

Lets look at some possible positions based on the bible concerning practicing homosexuals.

1) Kill them, more specially stone them to death
2) Kill them - doesn't have to be stoning as long as you kill them
3) Imprisonment
4) Fine them
5) Legal but gay marriage is illegal
6) Legal and gay marriage is legal
7) No position taken

This doesn't cover all options but you get the idea, now based on the BIBLE ALONE, what shall we do ? And I mean BIBLE ALONE, not BIBLE + my interpretation, cause after all, they preach bible alone right ?

As aforementioned, I am not stating that particular law was never mentioned in the Old Testament. I am once again stating that as a modern-day interpretation killing homosexuals is obsolete. You have not provided any evidence or specific references to a Church that preaches actual death upon homosexuals, but generalized again with a "There are people who believe that homosexuals should be put to death based on Gods law [...]"

Once again, as a contemporary Biblical interpretation, it is obsolete.
Genesis I. And God created man to his own image: to the image of God he created him: male and female he created them.
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5/12/2012 10:01:48 PM
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At 5/12/2012 9:58:13 PM, Ahmed.M wrote:
At 5/12/2012 9:50:40 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:

My point was not whether or not it can be found in the Bible. Illegalcombatant stated that Churches have a diverse range of interpretations of the Bible, and listed evidence as a few of the many supposed interpretations. He proceeded to list the interpretation of killing homosexuals as a modern interpretation by a Christian church. I disagreed and asked him to name at least one Church that preaches that.

Nowhere did I argue it was not found in the Bible, I argued that as a modern-day interpretation it is obsolete.

How could anyone interpret this verse in any other way. It is impossible to fathom.

==Book of Leviticus Chapter 20 Verse 13==
"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."

What is the 'modern day interpretation' of this verse? BTW this proves my point from before that instead of drawing conclusions from the verses we already have a presupposition (conclusion) and are interpreting the verses to suit the goals, that is dishonest.

Any objective and unbiased reader of the verse would conclude that this clearly says homosexuals should be put to death. If you are a christian and believe the bible is from God, then you necessarily have to follow and believe this.

My very next post shows exactly where the New Testament renders the Old Testament obsolete. Refer to Hebrews 8:13 for evidence.
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5/12/2012 10:05:12 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/12/2012 10:01:48 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:

My very next post shows exactly where the New Testament renders the Old Testament obsolete. Refer to Hebrews 8:13 for evidence.

==Book of Hebrews Chapter 8 Verse 13==
"In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away."

Does this mean that the Old Testament is obsolete?
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5/12/2012 10:06:42 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/12/2012 10:05:12 PM, Ahmed.M wrote:
At 5/12/2012 10:01:48 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:

My very next post shows exactly where the New Testament renders the Old Testament obsolete. Refer to Hebrews 8:13 for evidence.

==Book of Hebrews Chapter 8 Verse 13==
"In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away."

Does this mean that the Old Testament is obsolete?

It means that the Old Testament as a basis of moral law is obsolete. The stories are, of course, still considered true.
Genesis I. And God created man to his own image: to the image of God he created him: male and female he created them.
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5/12/2012 10:17:03 PM
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At 5/12/2012 10:00:31 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
At 5/12/2012 9:56:38 PM, Illegalcombatant wrote:
At 5/12/2012 9:35:17 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:

Lets look at some possible positions based on the bible concerning practicing homosexuals.

1) Kill them, more specially stone them to death
2) Kill them - doesn't have to be stoning as long as you kill them
3) Imprisonment
4) Fine them
5) Legal but gay marriage is illegal
6) Legal and gay marriage is legal
7) No position taken

This doesn't cover all options but you get the idea, now based on the BIBLE ALONE, what shall we do ? And I mean BIBLE ALONE, not BIBLE + my interpretation, cause after all, they preach bible alone right ?

As aforementioned, I am not stating that particular law was never mentioned in the Old Testament. I am once again stating that as a modern-day interpretation killing homosexuals is obsolete. You have not provided any evidence or specific references to a Church that preaches actual death upon homosexuals, but generalized again with a "There are people who believe that homosexuals should be put to death based on Gods law [...]"

Once again, as a contemporary Biblical interpretation, it is obsolete.

Since your so hung up on the word "church" ill with draw it. Replace "church" with "people". Arn't you glad we wasted this time on a semantic issue and not deal with the things of more substance ? I think Jesus said something about that, but anyway.

Your free to your own biblical interpretation that homosexuals should not be to death, but there are others who would not share in your interpretation ok ? Just adding the word "contemporary" doesn't add anything useful in this context. A contemporary interpretation is still an interpretation.

So how about you answer my question, based on the BIBLE ALONE, what shall we do with practicing homosexuals ?
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5/12/2012 10:18:17 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/12/2012 10:06:42 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
At 5/12/2012 10:05:12 PM, Ahmed.M wrote:
At 5/12/2012 10:01:48 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:

My very next post shows exactly where the New Testament renders the Old Testament obsolete. Refer to Hebrews 8:13 for evidence.

==Book of Hebrews Chapter 8 Verse 13==
"In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away."

Does this mean that the Old Testament is obsolete?

It means that the Old Testament as a basis of moral law is obsolete. The stories are, of course, still considered true.

The Old Testament is the foundation for Christianity and to say that as moral law it is obsolete is simply untrue. Why do Christians tend to be against/for abortion, SSM, death penalty, adultery, fornication etc etc?? This has clear roots and ties with the Old Testament.

Without the Old Testament there is simply no Christianity and the New Testament crumbles since it makes many refrences to the Old Testament.

If you believe the Old Testament stories are permanent then what about Sodom and Gommorah? This then necesarily follows that homosexuality is a crime.
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5/12/2012 10:20:05 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/12/2012 10:17:03 PM, Illegalcombatant wrote:
At 5/12/2012 10:00:31 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
At 5/12/2012 9:56:38 PM, Illegalcombatant wrote:
At 5/12/2012 9:35:17 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:

Lets look at some possible positions based on the bible concerning practicing homosexuals.

1) Kill them, more specially stone them to death
2) Kill them - doesn't have to be stoning as long as you kill them
3) Imprisonment
4) Fine them
5) Legal but gay marriage is illegal
6) Legal and gay marriage is legal
7) No position taken

This doesn't cover all options but you get the idea, now based on the BIBLE ALONE, what shall we do ? And I mean BIBLE ALONE, not BIBLE + my interpretation, cause after all, they preach bible alone right ?

As aforementioned, I am not stating that particular law was never mentioned in the Old Testament. I am once again stating that as a modern-day interpretation killing homosexuals is obsolete. You have not provided any evidence or specific references to a Church that preaches actual death upon homosexuals, but generalized again with a "There are people who believe that homosexuals should be put to death based on Gods law [...]"

Once again, as a contemporary Biblical interpretation, it is obsolete.

Since your so hung up on the word "church" ill with draw it. Replace "church" with "people". Arn't you glad we wasted this time on a semantic issue and not deal with the things of more substance ? I think Jesus said something about that, but anyway.

Your free to your own biblical interpretation that homosexuals should not be to death, but there are others who would not share in your interpretation ok ? Just adding the word "contemporary" doesn't add anything useful in this context. A contemporary interpretation is still an interpretation.

So how about you answer my question, based on the BIBLE ALONE, what shall we do with practicing homosexuals ?

I still disagree that even as an interpretation among individuals, that particular opinion on homosexuals is active.

As I have mentioned in my discussion with Ahmed.M, Hebrews 8:13 specifically states that the New Testament replaces the Old Testament as a basis of moral law. Because the "death to homosexuals" bit is found in the Old Testament, Hebrews 8:13 renders that notion obsolete among Christians, who are by definition in support of the New Testament's authority.
Genesis I. And God created man to his own image: to the image of God he created him: male and female he created them.
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5/12/2012 10:23:01 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Also were all the christians for centuries wrong on their interpretation of the bible? Including Thomas Aquinas who said the morals laws of the bible are permanent and are universal?

http://www.newadvent.org...

BTW natural law means universal law.