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GreatestIam
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5/15/2012 12:45:08 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Is hell anything like -- do unto others and love the sinner?

Some more enlightened Christians are trying to mature Christianity.

This clip of Bishop Spong shows this effort.

The Christian invention of hell and Christian strong desire for it to exist, shows a hatred that is quite deep within the Christian tribal soul.

This clip of Preacher Carlton Pearson show the average Christian love of hate.

Jesus would not cast the first stone yet Christians adamantly demand that he cast the last killing stone called hell.

You will reap what you sow Christian.

This will be you unless you repent from your hating ways. You are corrupting Jesus and his good archetypal name.

I predict this following for you if you do not lose your hate for those who just happen by accident of birth to not believe as you do. Beware.

This clip of Kenny is what I predit for Christians who will not shed their love of hate.

Regards
DL
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5/15/2012 5:35:01 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
A: Hell is not a stone being cast. existence without God is necessarily Hell by default, and Sin eternally separates us from the Goodness that is God. Christianity teaches that is a 'life raft' to save us from that eternal separation that we cant bridge ourselves. Its an extreme act of ignorance to characterize a National Guard member coming to toss you rope ladder to there helicopter when your drowning in a flood but you don't take the ladder as causing you to drown.

B: your view of 'loving thy neighbor' is corrupted by the lie that to agape love another is to simply tolerate all that they do. the most harmful thing you can do sometimes for another in trouble in there own addictions is to become an enabler for them to keep doing it, and if you love them your not going to enable, encourage, or even by inaction not try and redirect them away from that witch you know is bad for them.
One act of Rebellion created all the darkness and evil in the world; One life of Total Obedience created a path back to eternity and God.

A Scout is Obedient.
GreatestIam
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5/16/2012 9:56:10 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/15/2012 5:35:01 PM, Marauder wrote:
A: Hell is not a stone being cast. existence without God is necessarily Hell by default, and Sin eternally separates us from the Goodness that is God. Christianity teaches that is a 'life raft' to save us from that eternal separation that we cant bridge ourselves. Its an extreme act of ignorance to characterize a National Guard member coming to toss you rope ladder to there helicopter when your drowning in a flood but you don't take the ladder as causing you to drown.

B: your view of 'loving thy neighbor' is corrupted by the lie that to agape love another is to simply tolerate all that they do. the most harmful thing you can do sometimes for another in trouble in there own addictions is to become an enabler for them to keep doing it, and if you love them your not going to enable, encourage, or even by inaction not try and redirect them away from that witch you know is bad for them.

Goodness of God?
What goodness?
Can one be good without morals?

If the bible is true, as you seem to think it is even though it is all myth, then you might recall that it says that your God also gave Satan the power to deceiver the whole world.

So what should you do?

Go by moral standards, right?

Romans 12:21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

Is hell good?

Better to shovel coal in hell than to spend eternity in heaven watching friends, neighbors and our children in torture and flame forever.
Only a sick mind would conceive of such a situation or wish it upon anyone. That is why God would not do such because then, heaven would be hell.
If those in heaven did not go insane then they could not have once been human or good.

You should think of hell just a bit and recognize that God would not create such an immoral construct. Lose your barbaric tribal mentality. We are in 2012, not 112.

If you are going to go by morality, then question your morality.

Judgment and punishment go hand in hand.

Our human laws have a form of punishment where the penalty is graduated to fit the crime. An eye for an eye type of justice. As scriptures urge when they are not preaching death for miniscule sins.
God‘s punishment seems to surpass this standard.

The definition I am comparing here is the eternal fire and torture type of hell and I am not particularly interested in the myriad of other definitions and theories that some use to supplant this traditional view.

To ascertain if hell would be a moral construct or not, all you need do is answer these simple question for yourself.

1. Is it good justice for a soul to be able to sin for only 120 years and then have to suffer torture for 12000000000000000000000000 + years?

2. Is it good justice for small or mediocre sinners to have to bear the same sentence as Hitler, Stalin and other genocidal maniacs?
This might actually include God if you see Noah's flood as God using genocide and not justice against man. Pardon the digression.

Punishment is usually only given to change attitude or actions and cause the sinner to repent.

3. Is it good justice to continue to torture a soul in hell if no change in attitude or actions are to result?

4. If you answered yes to these questions, then would killing the soul not be a better form of justice than to torture it for no possible good result or purpose?

Is hell a moral construct or not?

Please explain your reasons and know that ---just because God created it ---does not explain your moral judgment. It is your view I seek and not God's as no one can speak for God.

You go ahead though and line up for heaven in that line on the right but do not be surprised when you join Kenny in hell. That is the place for those who will try to profit from God having his son needlessly murdered

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DL
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5/16/2012 2:01:25 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/16/2012 1:37:14 PM, stubs wrote:
I would just really appreciate people to stop posting things about Hell and the bible who havn't really studied it

So would I.
That includes most Christians.

Regards
DL
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5/16/2012 4:07:52 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/16/2012 2:01:25 PM, GreatestIam wrote:
At 5/16/2012 1:37:14 PM, stubs wrote:
I would just really appreciate people to stop posting things about Hell and the bible who havn't really studied it

So would I.
That includes most Christians.

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DL

Sure I agree but it also includes most of this post haha
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5/19/2012 5:00:53 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/15/2012 12:45:08 PM, GreatestIam wrote:
Is hell anything like -- do unto others and love the sinner?

Some more enlightened Christians are trying to mature Christianity.

This clip of Bishop Spong shows this effort.


The Christian invention of hell and Christian strong desire for it to exist, shows a hatred that is quite deep within the Christian tribal soul.

This clip of Preacher Carlton Pearson show the average Christian love of hate.


Jesus would not cast the first stone yet Christians adamantly demand that he cast the last killing stone called hell.

You will reap what you sow Christian.

This will be you unless you repent from your hating ways. You are corrupting Jesus and his good archetypal name.

I predict this following for you if you do not lose your hate for those who just happen by accident of birth to not believe as you do. Beware.

This clip of Kenny is what I predit for Christians who will not shed their love of hate.


Regards
DL

Hell the sum of our choices, those secret personal choices we make in our heart of hearts.. the choice to be right even when we can see we are wrong, we are choosing blindness.. the LIE is that we can have both, the deception and the truth, but by choosing to deceive we ARE deceived.

Many Christians and Jews are going to hell:

John 15:6
If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned.


Anyone who denies the doctrine of hell is not a Christian; the body (Church) cannot be opposed to the Head. (Christ)
The Cross.. the Cross.
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5/19/2012 8:19:31 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/19/2012 5:00:53 AM, DATCMOTO wrote:

Hell the sum of our choices, those secret personal choices we make in our heart of hearts.. the choice to be right even when we can see we are wrong, we are choosing blindness.. the LIE is that we can have both, the deception and the truth, but by choosing to deceive we ARE deceived.

Many Christians and Jews are going to hell:

John 15:6
If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned.


Anyone who denies the doctrine of hell is not a Christian; the body (Church) cannot be opposed to the Head. (Christ)

I would disagree. I do not believe a Christian, who denies the doctrine of hell, will go to hell. That's simply just not supported by scripture. And I am a huge believer in hell, however it is not a requirement to be a Christian. To say that a Christian will be in Hell just does not make sense.
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5/21/2012 9:03:11 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/19/2012 8:19:31 AM, stubs wrote:
At 5/19/2012 5:00:53 AM, DATCMOTO wrote:

Hell the sum of our choices, those secret personal choices we make in our heart of hearts.. the choice to be right even when we can see we are wrong, we are choosing blindness.. the LIE is that we can have both, the deception and the truth, but by choosing to deceive we ARE deceived.

Many Christians and Jews are going to hell:

John 15:6
If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned.


Anyone who denies the doctrine of hell is not a Christian; the body (Church) cannot be opposed to the Head. (Christ)

I would disagree. I do not believe a Christian, who denies the doctrine of hell, will go to hell. That's simply just not supported by scripture. And I am a huge believer in hell, however it is not a requirement to be a Christian. To say that a Christian will be in Hell just does not make sense.

Read my post again, I didn't say that; The Bible, Jesus Himself, says that anyone (who is in Him, a Christian) and who does NOT bear fruit will be cut off and thrown into the fire. (hell)
The Cross.. the Cross.