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5/19/2012 1:40:00 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I've seen Christians say (1dustpelt) that God used evolution, but is this doctrinally correct? Evolution might work with Deism, but it almost blatantly contradicts the very detailed account in Genesis.

So please cite the verse in the Bible that says God used evolution.
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5/19/2012 1:47:26 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/19/2012 1:40:00 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
I've seen Christians say (1dustpelt) that God used evolution, but is this doctrinally correct? Evolution might work with Deism, but it almost blatantly contradicts the very detailed account in Genesis.

So please cite the verse in the Bible that says God used evolution.

"let the earth bring forth vegetation, according to their kinds, etc" (that's if a literalist interpretation is used).

More often the Christians who accept most thesis of evolution take a non-literalist, metaphorical interpretation of Gensis 1-2... and this is in now way a modern retreat in the face of science, St. Augustine, Philo, many Hebrew and early church fathers took a metaphorical view ~1500 years prior to Darwin, Lyell, etc.
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5/19/2012 1:56:11 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/19/2012 1:47:26 PM, Reason_Alliance wrote:
At 5/19/2012 1:40:00 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
I've seen Christians say (1dustpelt) that God used evolution, but is this doctrinally correct? Evolution might work with Deism, but it almost blatantly contradicts the very detailed account in Genesis.

So please cite the verse in the Bible that says God used evolution.

"let the earth bring forth vegetation, according to their kinds, etc" (that's if a literalist interpretation is used).

More often the Christians who accept most thesis of evolution take a non-literalist, metaphorical interpretation of Gensis 1-2... and this is in now way a modern retreat in the face of science, St. Augustine, Philo, many Hebrew and early church fathers took a metaphorical view ~1500 years prior to Darwin, Lyell, etc.

Augustinian theodicy necessitates a literal interpretation.
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5/19/2012 2:06:14 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/19/2012 1:40:00 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
I've seen Christians say (1dustpelt) that God used evolution, but is this doctrinally correct? Evolution might work with Deism, but it almost blatantly contradicts the very detailed account in Genesis.

So please cite the verse in the Bible that says God used evolution.

I don't think anyone is saying that evolution is in genesis or even in the Bible.

Atheists use the old testament of the Bible in their arguments for things far more than Christians do. That tell you something?
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5/19/2012 2:13:37 PM
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At 5/19/2012 1:47:26 PM, Reason_Alliance wrote:
At 5/19/2012 1:40:00 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
So please cite the verse in the Bible that says God used evolution.

"let the earth bring forth vegetation, according to their kinds, etc" (that's if a literalist interpretation is used).

What? Vegetation? Lol. I'm talking about evolution of species.

More often the Christians who accept most thesis of evolution take a non-literalist, metaphorical interpretation of Gensis 1-2... and this is in now way a modern retreat in the face of science,

How not? I find the esoteric interpretation much more plausible.

St. Augustine, Philo, many Hebrew and early church fathers took a metaphorical view ~1500 years prior to Darwin, Lyell, etc.

That's nice. I doubt they directly mentioned evolution.

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5/19/2012 2:13:56 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/19/2012 1:40:00 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
I've seen Christians say (1dustpelt) that God used evolution, but is this doctrinally correct? Evolution might work with Deism, but it almost blatantly contradicts the very detailed account in Genesis.

So please cite the verse in the Bible that says God used evolution.

If we are speculating here. And Im a baptist and christian. Im not stuck on what typical Preachers preach. So ok:
In gensis 1:1 ii is specifically saying God created time, space, and matter.
Gen 1:2 is continued into it by, And. Though I am understanding that God does not create formless and void things. Meaning it became this way and is you take this interpretation anytime is involved. Meaning billions of years. Because if the earth became formless and void then it was previously not. I believe the actual 7 day creation. But i interpret it as the recontruction and takes no less value away. Then we have been since.
You can also say that the first mention of man and woman is different than chapter 2. These are just hypothetical.
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5/19/2012 2:17:25 PM
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At 5/19/2012 2:06:14 PM, cbrhawk1 wrote:
At 5/19/2012 1:40:00 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
I've seen Christians say (1dustpelt) that God used evolution, but is this doctrinally correct? Evolution might work with Deism, but it almost blatantly contradicts the very detailed account in Genesis.

So please cite the verse in the Bible that says God used evolution.

I don't think anyone is saying that evolution is in genesis or even in the Bible.

They say they God used evolution so it needs to be doctrinally correct and not just made up. What other beliefs can we make up about God that isn't in the Bible?

Atheists use the old testament of the Bible in their arguments for things far more than Christians do. That tell you something?

No.

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5/19/2012 2:19:42 PM
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At 5/19/2012 1:56:11 PM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
At 5/19/2012 1:47:26 PM, Reason_Alliance wrote:
At 5/19/2012 1:40:00 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
I've seen Christians say (1dustpelt) that God used evolution, but is this doctrinally correct? Evolution might work with Deism, but it almost blatantly contradicts the very detailed account in Genesis.

So please cite the verse in the Bible that says God used evolution.

"let the earth bring forth vegetation, according to their kinds, etc" (that's if a literalist interpretation is used).

More often the Christians who accept most thesis of evolution take a non-literalist, metaphorical interpretation of Gensis 1-2... and this is in now way a modern retreat in the face of science, St. Augustine, Philo, many Hebrew and early church fathers took a metaphorical view ~1500 years prior to Darwin, Lyell, etc.

Augustinian theodicy necessitates a literal interpretation.

That's a bold suggestion, what do you know that I don't?
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5/19/2012 2:21:52 PM
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At 5/19/2012 1:40:00 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
I've seen Christians say (1dustpelt) that God used evolution, but is this doctrinally correct? Evolution might work with Deism, but it almost blatantly contradicts the very detailed account in Genesis.

So please cite the verse in the Bible that says God used evolution.

You are asking a question that is impossible to answer. You're asking for the word evolution in a text that was written before the theory of evolution was even thought of. Therefore, at best you can ask for something in the bible that could possibly allude to the creation of things through an evolutionary process and I think if you do not take a literal view of the genesis account it's quite easy to do that.
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5/19/2012 2:25:23 PM
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They say they God used evolution so it needs to be doctrinally correct and not just made up. What other beliefs can we make up about God that isn't in the Bible?

The belief in God is not based on a single canon. The Bible is not the all-knowing teller of truth. It's just a compilation of letters and scrolls written and translated.

There are many canons, many religions that use a universal creator.

To even say it matters to our salvation whether dinosaurs lived millions of years ago is also awful silly. The Bible is usually used to correlate with our daily lives today by using testimony and writing inspired by people who lived in the past and were closer to God than we are.

Science is not useful in terms of salvation.

Atheists use the old testament of the Bible in their arguments for things far more than Christians do. That tell you something?

No.

Tells me a lot. Tells me that atheists rely on the Bible as a crutch to make an argument more than most Christians do.

Loving God is not about "doctorine" by the way. When Christians first started, as you should know, there was no Bible since Jesus abolished the old laws with his own blood. Al there was was testimony by word of mouth.

It's an absolutely ridiculous statement to say "if it isn't in the bible, then it isn't true" or take a position similar to that considering history.
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5/19/2012 2:25:43 PM
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At 5/19/2012 1:40:00 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
I've seen Christians say (1dustpelt) that God used evolution, but is this doctrinally correct? Evolution might work with Deism, but it almost blatantly contradicts the very detailed account in Genesis.

So please cite the verse in the Bible that says God used evolution.

More Christians nowadays are accepting the book of Genesis as a book of stories, rather than factual history. When the bible was written, the stories in genesis (as well as other books in the old testament), for example were Jewish stories that people used as an explanation for the beginning of the world. This was the only explanation people had, so it was widely accepted as having happened that way, even before the bible was written. However, as scientists further prove evolution and the big bang, etc, Christians (as well as those of different faiths) are accepting the stories in the bible as just that, stories. Not history or fact. When the bible was written, this is all they knew. So obviously it was written that way. So there is no verse in the bible that says that God used evolution as a way to create the world and allow it to grow, however it is scientific fact that the world was created and grew this way, so it is now being accepted by more people of faith. At least this is my experience with it. Obviously, not everyone accepts this. But there is too much scientific fact do deny it. "Adam and Eve", for example, didn't literally exist, because humans evolved, and weren't just created. And the world certainly wasn't created in 7 Earth days. The Earth is 4.5 billion years old, and different creatures and plants etc appeared at different points in history. Also take note, the story of creation never mentioned dinosaurs. Why? Because by the time humans came around, the dinos were loooong gone, and there was absolutely no knowledge of such creatures.

So in my opinion (as a deist and former Catholic), the book of genesis is a book of stories, which was used as the explanation for the creation of the world, but not the actual way our world was created. Just my opinion, I don't mean to come off as anti Christian. I was one myself not too long ago :D
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5/19/2012 2:26:25 PM
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At 5/19/2012 2:13:37 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 5/19/2012 1:47:26 PM, Reason_Alliance wrote:
At 5/19/2012 1:40:00 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
So please cite the verse in the Bible that says God used evolution.

"let the earth bring forth vegetation, according to their kinds, etc" (that's if a literalist interpretation is used).

What? Vegetation? Lol. I'm talking about evolution of species.

Uh... seriously? If plants were first allowed to create themselves, how is this not evolution at least by natural selection and random mutation, regardless of whichever class it's in? Vegetation includes many different species. In fact they take up a part of the tree of life. You asked.

More often the Christians who accept most thesis of evolution take a non-literalist, metaphorical interpretation of Gensis 1-2... and this is in now way a modern retreat in the face of science,

How not? I find the esoteric interpretation much more plausible.

I just explained below- The church was and still is divided on which way to interpret Genesis. Now we have science (the study of God's general revelation) to disconfirm one view over the other.

St. Augustine, Philo, many Hebrew and early church fathers took a metaphorical view ~1500 years prior to Darwin, Lyell, etc.

That's nice. I doubt they directly mentioned evolution.

Of course not dude. Geesh- evolution was a first in modernity. I'm saying that by virtue of a metaphorical view of the scriptures these men and their followers wouldn't have been opposed to evolution.
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5/19/2012 2:30:58 PM
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More Christians nowadays are accepting the book of Genesis as a book of stories, rather than factual history. When the bible was written, the stories in genesis (as well as other books in the old testament), for example were Jewish stories that people used as an explanation for the beginning of the world. This was the only explanation people had around.

These stories were also based on tales supposedly before writing was widespread. It's understandable how so many of these stories have been lost to history, but I believe there is an element of truth, and digs have turned up things like Sodom and Gomorrah. I think that there's an element of truth since God was extremely important to these people, but there's no getting around that past events passed down many generations will become a bit off even with the best of efforts.
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5/19/2012 2:31:22 PM
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At 5/19/2012 2:25:43 PM, EvanK wrote:
At 5/19/2012 1:40:00 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
I've seen Christians say (1dustpelt) that God used evolution, but is this doctrinally correct? Evolution might work with Deism, but it almost blatantly contradicts the very detailed account in Genesis.

So please cite the verse in the Bible that says God used evolution.

More Christians nowadays are accepting the book of Genesis as a book of stories, rather than factual history. When the bible was written, the stories in genesis (as well as other books in the old testament), for example were Jewish stories that people used as an explanation for the beginning of the world. This was the only explanation people had, so it was widely accepted as having happened that way, even before the bible was written. However, as scientists further prove evolution and the big bang, etc, Christians (as well as those of different faiths) are accepting the stories in the bible as just that, stories. Not history or fact. When the bible was written, this is all they knew. So obviously it was written that way. So there is no verse in the bible that says that God used evolution as a way to create the world and allow it to grow, however it is scientific fact that the world was created and grew this way, so it is now being accepted by more people of faith. At least this is my experience with it. Obviously, not everyone accepts this. But there is too much scientific fact do deny it. "Adam and Eve", for example, didn't literally exist, because humans evolved, and weren't just created. And the world certainly wasn't created in 7 Earth days. The Earth is 4.5 billion years old, and different creatures and plants etc appeared at different points in history. Also take note, the story of creation never mentioned dinosaurs. Why? Because by the time humans came around, the dinos were loooong gone, and there was absolutely no knowledge of such creatures.

So in my opinion (as a deist and former Catholic), the book of genesis is a book of stories, which was used as the explanation for the creation of the world, but not the actual way our world was created. Just my opinion, I don't mean to come off as anti Christian. I was one myself not too long ago :D

Also take note, the story of creation never mentioned dinosaurs. Why? Because by the time humans came around, the dinos were loooong gone, and there was absolutely no knowledge of such creatures.
KJV-R (Webster) Job 40:15 Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox.
16 Lo now, his strength isin his loins, and his force isin the navel of his belly.
17 He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.
18 His bones are asstrong pieces of brass; his bones arelike bars of iron.
19 He isthe chief of the ways of God: he that made him can make his sword to approach unto him.
20 Surely the mountains bring him forth food, where all the beasts of the field play.
21 He lieth under the shady trees, in the covert of the reed, and fens.
22 The shady trees cover him withtheir shadow; the willows of the brook compass him about.
23 Behold, he drinketh up a river, andhasteth not: he trusteth that he can draw up Jordan into his mouth.
24 He taketh it with his eyes: hisnose pierceth through snares.

Many cultures describe dragons and lizard creatures.
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5/19/2012 2:31:39 PM
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At 5/19/2012 2:13:56 PM, ScottyDouglas wrote:
If we are speculating here. And Im a baptist and christian. Im not stuck on what typical Preachers preach. So ok:
In gensis 1:1 ii is specifically saying God created time, space, and matter.
Gen 1:2 is continued into it by, And. Though I am understanding that God does not create formless and void things. Meaning it became this way and is you take this interpretation anytime is involved. Meaning billions of years. Because if the earth became formless and void then it was previously not. I believe the actual 7 day creation. But i interpret it as the recontruction and takes no less value away. Then we have been since.
You can also say that the first mention of man and woman is different than chapter 2. These are just hypothetical.

Problem. Adam and Eve were created in the beginning 14 billion years ago. Evolution said man came 100,000 years ago.

Bible

<--Adam-n-Eve-----------------------------------------------------Jesus-----Present-->
...14 billion years ago..................................................................2,000 y/a....Now...

Science

<---No-life-----------------------------------------------Man------------------Present-->
...14 billion years ago...............................................100,000 y/a...................Now......

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5/19/2012 2:34:48 PM
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At 5/19/2012 2:30:58 PM, cbrhawk1 wrote:
More Christians nowadays are accepting the book of Genesis as a book of stories, rather than factual history. When the bible was written, the stories in genesis (as well as other books in the old testament), for example were Jewish stories that people used as an explanation for the beginning of the world. This was the only explanation people had around.

These stories were also based on tales supposedly before writing was widespread. It's understandable how so many of these stories have been lost to history, but I believe there is an element of truth, and digs have turned up things like Sodom and Gomorrah. I think that there's an element of truth since God was extremely important to these people, but there's no getting around that past events passed down many generations will become a bit off even with the best of efforts.

I didn't mean to imply that every story was myth, just the story of creation. I apologize for appearing otherwise. I do admit, there are historical figures in the old testament, Moses, for example. And many of the stories found may have an element of truth to them, but have been changed to fit religious beliefs (the parting of the red sea for example). But I don't believe that the story of creation found in the book of genesis is truth, but myths that were used to explain the unknown. Not bashing it or anything, just stating my opinion :D
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5/19/2012 2:34:49 PM
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At 5/19/2012 1:40:00 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
I've seen Christians say (1dustpelt) that God used evolution, but is this doctrinally correct? Evolution might work with Deism, but it almost blatantly contradicts the very detailed account in Genesis.

So please cite the verse in the Bible that says God used evolution.

The Bible is not always to be taken literally. The Bible is made of different books each to be read in a dfferent way.
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5/19/2012 2:35:38 PM
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At 5/19/2012 2:31:39 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:

Problem. Adam and Eve were created in the beginning 14 billion years ago. Evolution said man came 100,000 years ago.

Bible

<--Adam-n-Eve-----------------------------------------------------Jesus-----Present-->
...14 billion years ago..................................................................2,000 y/a....Now...

Science

<---No-life-----------------------------------------------Man------------------Present-->
...14 billion years ago...............................................100,000 y/a...................Now......

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It can be and has been interpreted by many that Gen 1:1 was 13.7 billion years ago and the next verses were literal days about 100,000 years ago.
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5/19/2012 2:39:21 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/19/2012 2:31:39 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 5/19/2012 2:13:56 PM, ScottyDouglas wrote:
If we are speculating here. And Im a baptist and christian. Im not stuck on what typical Preachers preach. So ok:
In gensis 1:1 ii is specifically saying God created time, space, and matter.
Gen 1:2 is continued into it by, And. Though I am understanding that God does not create formless and void things. Meaning it became this way and is you take this interpretation anytime is involved. Meaning billions of years. Because if the earth became formless and void then it was previously not. I believe the actual 7 day creation. But i interpret it as the recontruction and takes no less value away. Then we have been since.
You can also say that the first mention of man and woman is different than chapter 2. These are just hypothetical.

Problem. Adam and Eve were created in the beginning 14 billion years ago. Evolution said man came 100,000 years ago.

Bible

<--Adam-n-Eve-----------------------------------------------------Jesus-----Present-->
...14 billion years ago..................................................................2,000 y/a....Now...

Science

<---No-life-----------------------------------------------Man------------------Present-->
...14 billion years ago...............................................100,000 y/a...................Now......

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.I agree. But it is not plain as day as most theist think.
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5/19/2012 2:41:28 PM
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At 5/19/2012 2:34:49 PM, SeanMichael wrote:
At 5/19/2012 1:40:00 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
I've seen Christians say (1dustpelt) that God used evolution, but is this doctrinally correct? Evolution might work with Deism, but it almost blatantly contradicts the very detailed account in Genesis.

So please cite the verse in the Bible that says God used evolution.

The Bible is not always to be taken literally. The Bible is made of different books each to be read in a dfferent way.

Atheists will have you believe the Bible had a single author and it, as a whole, is either true and false, and they demand that all Christians follow the Bible to fit ino their cookie cutter arguments.
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5/19/2012 2:42:06 PM
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At 5/19/2012 2:31:22 PM, ScottyDouglas wrote:
At 5/19/2012 2:25:43 PM, EvanK wrote:
At 5/19/2012 1:40:00 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
I've seen Christians say (1dustpelt) that God used evolution, but is this doctrinally correct? Evolution might work with Deism, but it almost blatantly contradicts the very detailed account in Genesis.

So please cite the verse in the Bible that says God used evolution.

More Christians nowadays are accepting the book of Genesis as a book of stories, rather than factual history. When the bible was written, the stories in genesis (as well as other books in the old testament), for example were Jewish stories that people used as an explanation for the beginning of the world. This was the only explanation people had, so it was widely accepted as having happened that way, even before the bible was written. However, as scientists further prove evolution and the big bang, etc, Christians (as well as those of different faiths) are accepting the stories in the bible as just that, stories. Not history or fact. When the bible was written, this is all they knew. So obviously it was written that way. So there is no verse in the bible that says that God used evolution as a way to create the world and allow it to grow, however it is scientific fact that the world was created and grew this way, so it is now being accepted by more people of faith. At least this is my experience with it. Obviously, not everyone accepts this. But there is too much scientific fact do deny it. "Adam and Eve", for example, didn't literally exist, because humans evolved, and weren't just created. And the world certainly wasn't created in 7 Earth days. The Earth is 4.5 billion years old, and different creatures and plants etc appeared at different points in history. Also take note, the story of creation never mentioned dinosaurs. Why? Because by the time humans came around, the dinos were loooong gone, and there was absolutely no knowledge of such creatures.

So in my opinion (as a deist and former Catholic), the book of genesis is a book of stories, which was used as the explanation for the creation of the world, but not the actual way our world was created. Just my opinion, I don't mean to come off as anti Christian. I was one myself not too long ago :D

Also take note, the story of creation never mentioned dinosaurs. Why? Because by the time humans came around, the dinos were loooong gone, and there was absolutely no knowledge of such creatures.
KJV-R (Webster) Job 40:15 Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox.
16 Lo now, his strength isin his loins, and his force isin the navel of his belly.
17 He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.
18 His bones are asstrong pieces of brass; his bones arelike bars of iron.
19 He isthe chief of the ways of God: he that made him can make his sword to approach unto him.
20 Surely the mountains bring him forth food, where all the beasts of the field play.
21 He lieth under the shady trees, in the covert of the reed, and fens.
22 The shady trees cover him withtheir shadow; the willows of the brook compass him about.
23 Behold, he drinketh up a river, andhasteth not: he trusteth that he can draw up Jordan into his mouth.
24 He taketh it with his eyes: hisnose pierceth through snares.

Many cultures describe dragons and lizard creatures.

Interesting. While it can be said that this description may fit that of a dinosaur, it doesn't prove that the story of creation found in genesis is true. Science has proven that humans were on earth long after dinosaurs, so I don't take the story of creation as fact, because it claims the Earth was created in 7 days, with no mention of dinosaurs or other prehistoric creatures. What those descriptions found in Job mean, I don't know. But it isn't enough for me to accept the story of creation, personally.
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5/19/2012 2:44:51 PM
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At 5/19/2012 2:19:42 PM, Reason_Alliance wrote:
At 5/19/2012 1:56:11 PM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
At 5/19/2012 1:47:26 PM, Reason_Alliance wrote:
At 5/19/2012 1:40:00 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
I've seen Christians say (1dustpelt) that God used evolution, but is this doctrinally correct? Evolution might work with Deism, but it almost blatantly contradicts the very detailed account in Genesis.

So please cite the verse in the Bible that says God used evolution.

"let the earth bring forth vegetation, according to their kinds, etc" (that's if a literalist interpretation is used).

More often the Christians who accept most thesis of evolution take a non-literalist, metaphorical interpretation of Gensis 1-2... and this is in now way a modern retreat in the face of science, St. Augustine, Philo, many Hebrew and early church fathers took a metaphorical view ~1500 years prior to Darwin, Lyell, etc.

Augustinian theodicy necessitates a literal interpretation.

That's a bold suggestion, what do you know that I don't?

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5/19/2012 2:45:48 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/19/2012 2:21:52 PM, stubs wrote:
You are asking a question that is impossible to answer. You're asking for the word evolution in a text that was written before the theory of evolution was even thought of.

False. Buddhism came thousands of years before Darwin and it directly posited evolution.

"To that extent the world re-evolved. And those beings continued for a very long time feasting on this savory earth, feeding on it and being nourished by it. And as they did so, their bodies became courser, and a difference in looks developed among them."
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5/19/2012 2:48:50 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/19/2012 2:42:06 PM, EvanK wrote:
At 5/19/2012 2:31:22 PM, ScottyDouglas wrote:
At 5/19/2012 2:25:43 PM, EvanK wrote:
At 5/19/2012 1:40:00 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
I've seen Christians say (1dustpelt) that God used evolution, but is this doctrinally correct? Evolution might work with Deism, but it almost blatantly contradicts the very detailed account in Genesis.

So please cite the verse in the Bible that says God used evolution.

More Christians nowadays are accepting the book of Genesis as a book of stories, rather than factual history. When the bible was written, the stories in genesis (as well as other books in the old testament), for example were Jewish stories that people used as an explanation for the beginning of the world. This was the only explanation people had, so it was widely accepted as having happened that way, even before the bible was written. However, as scientists further prove evolution and the big bang, etc, Christians (as well as those of different faiths) are accepting the stories in the bible as just that, stories. Not history or fact. When the bible was written, this is all they knew. So obviously it was written that way. So there is no verse in the bible that says that God used evolution as a way to create the world and allow it to grow, however it is scientific fact that the world was created and grew this way, so it is now being accepted by more people of faith. At least this is my experience with it. Obviously, not everyone accepts this. But there is too much scientific fact do deny it. "Adam and Eve", for example, didn't literally exist, because humans evolved, and weren't just created. And the world certainly wasn't created in 7 Earth days. The Earth is 4.5 billion years old, and different creatures and plants etc appeared at different points in history. Also take note, the story of creation never mentioned dinosaurs. Why? Because by the time humans came around, the dinos were loooong gone, and there was absolutely no knowledge of such creatures.

So in my opinion (as a deist and former Catholic), the book of genesis is a book of stories, which was used as the explanation for the creation of the world, but not the actual way our world was created. Just my opinion, I don't mean to come off as anti Christian. I was one myself not too long ago :D

Also take note, the story of creation never mentioned dinosaurs. Why? Because by the time humans came around, the dinos were loooong gone, and there was absolutely no knowledge of such creatures.
KJV-R (Webster) Job 40:15 Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox.
16 Lo now, his strength isin his loins, and his force isin the navel of his belly.
17 He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.
18 His bones are asstrong pieces of brass; his bones arelike bars of iron.
19 He isthe chief of the ways of God: he that made him can make his sword to approach unto him.
20 Surely the mountains bring him forth food, where all the beasts of the field play.
21 He lieth under the shady trees, in the covert of the reed, and fens.
22 The shady trees cover him withtheir shadow; the willows of the brook compass him about.
23 Behold, he drinketh up a river, andhasteth not: he trusteth that he can draw up Jordan into his mouth.
24 He taketh it with his eyes: hisnose pierceth through snares.

Many cultures describe dragons and lizard creatures.

Interesting. While it can be said that this description may fit that of a dinosaur, it doesn't prove that the story of creation found in genesis is true. Science has proven that humans were on earth long after dinosaurs, so I don't take the story of creation as fact, because it claims the Earth was created in 7 days, with no mention of dinosaurs or other prehistoric creatures. What those descriptions found in Job mean, I don't know. But it isn't enough for me to accept the story of creation, personally.

You said that dinosaurs were not mentioned I provided verses. Also we do not know that the earth is 6,7,8 thousand or billions. There is no defining fact showing this. It is a well edcuated guess.
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5/19/2012 2:51:20 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/19/2012 2:48:50 PM, ScottyDouglas wrote:
At 5/19/2012 2:42:06 PM, EvanK wrote:
At 5/19/2012 2:31:22 PM, ScottyDouglas wrote:
At 5/19/2012 2:25:43 PM, EvanK wrote:
At 5/19/2012 1:40:00 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
I've seen Christians say (1dustpelt) that God used evolution, but is this doctrinally correct? Evolution might work with Deism, but it almost blatantly contradicts the very detailed account in Genesis.

So please cite the verse in the Bible that says God used evolution.

More Christians nowadays are accepting the book of Genesis as a book of stories, rather than factual history. When the bible was written, the stories in genesis (as well as other books in the old testament), for example were Jewish stories that people used as an explanation for the beginning of the world. This was the only explanation people had, so it was widely accepted as having happened that way, even before the bible was written. However, as scientists further prove evolution and the big bang, etc, Christians (as well as those of different faiths) are accepting the stories in the bible as just that, stories. Not history or fact. When the bible was written, this is all they knew. So obviously it was written that way. So there is no verse in the bible that says that God used evolution as a way to create the world and allow it to grow, however it is scientific fact that the world was created and grew this way, so it is now being accepted by more people of faith. At least this is my experience with it. Obviously, not everyone accepts this. But there is too much scientific fact do deny it. "Adam and Eve", for example, didn't literally exist, because humans evolved, and weren't just created. And the world certainly wasn't created in 7 Earth days. The Earth is 4.5 billion years old, and different creatures and plants etc appeared at different points in history. Also take note, the story of creation never mentioned dinosaurs. Why? Because by the time humans came around, the dinos were loooong gone, and there was absolutely no knowledge of such creatures.

So in my opinion (as a deist and former Catholic), the book of genesis is a book of stories, which was used as the explanation for the creation of the world, but not the actual way our world was created. Just my opinion, I don't mean to come off as anti Christian. I was one myself not too long ago :D

Also take note, the story of creation never mentioned dinosaurs. Why? Because by the time humans came around, the dinos were loooong gone, and there was absolutely no knowledge of such creatures.
KJV-R (Webster) Job 40:15 Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox.
16 Lo now, his strength isin his loins, and his force isin the navel of his belly.
17 He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.
18 His bones are asstrong pieces of brass; his bones arelike bars of iron.
19 He isthe chief of the ways of God: he that made him can make his sword to approach unto him.
20 Surely the mountains bring him forth food, where all the beasts of the field play.
21 He lieth under the shady trees, in the covert of the reed, and fens.
22 The shady trees cover him withtheir shadow; the willows of the brook compass him about.
23 Behold, he drinketh up a river, andhasteth not: he trusteth that he can draw up Jordan into his mouth.
24 He taketh it with his eyes: hisnose pierceth through snares.

Many cultures describe dragons and lizard creatures.

Interesting. While it can be said that this description may fit that of a dinosaur, it doesn't prove that the story of creation found in genesis is true. Science has proven that humans were on earth long after dinosaurs, so I don't take the story of creation as fact, because it claims the Earth was created in 7 days, with no mention of dinosaurs or other prehistoric creatures. What those descriptions found in Job mean, I don't know. But it isn't enough for me to accept the story of creation, personally.

You said that dinosaurs were not mentioned I provided verses. Also we do not know that the earth is 6,7,8 thousand or billions. There is no defining fact showing this. It is a well edcuated guess.

I said no dinosaurs were mentioned in the story of creation. And yes, a very well educated guess which may as well be fact. It is a much better explanation than what the bible offers.
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5/19/2012 2:52:03 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
You said that dinosaurs were not mentioned I provided verses. Also we do not know that the earth is 6,7,8 thousand or billions. There is no defining fact showing this. It is a well edcuated guess.

Isn't that all science is?

But, just expect them to dodge the verses and cherrypick verses of their own. I'd like to see otherwise, but I've been around long enough to know atheists are all excuses and not about results.
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5/19/2012 3:02:24 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/19/2012 2:06:14 PM, cbrhawk1 wrote:
At 5/19/2012 1:40:00 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
I've seen Christians say (1dustpelt) that God used evolution, but is this doctrinally correct? Evolution might work with Deism, but it almost blatantly contradicts the very detailed account in Genesis.

So please cite the verse in the Bible that says God used evolution.

I don't think anyone is saying that evolution is in genesis or even in the Bible.

Atheists use the old testament of the Bible in their arguments for things far more than Christians do. That tell you something?

It tells me that you are nit-picking for the "Good" parts.
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5/19/2012 3:05:00 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/19/2012 1:40:00 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
I've seen Christians say (1dustpelt) that God used evolution, but is this doctrinally correct? Evolution might work with Deism, but it almost blatantly contradicts the very detailed account in Genesis.

So please cite the verse in the Bible that says God used evolution.

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5/19/2012 3:05:45 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
It tells me that you are nit-picking for the "Good" parts.

There are some things that are possibly useful in or daily lives, but we should not use it as a guide on how to worship God, just get tidbits on how to live life so that we are a little better and more balanced.

Yeah, there are god and bad parts of that, sometimes different parts for different people. It's not justification for the existence of God, though.
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