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5/23/2012 8:40:28 AM
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I haven't seen it, but it is a YouTube movie made by the idiots Ray Comfort and Kirk Cameron. Has anyone seen it? If so, what are your thoughts and what is it about?
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5/23/2012 8:41:48 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/23/2012 8:40:28 AM, Microsuck wrote:
I haven't seen it, but it is a YouTube movie made by the idiots Ray Comfort and Kirk Cameron. Has anyone seen it? If so, what are your thoughts and what is it about?

Lemme look it up. Ray comfort is an idiot though.
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5/23/2012 8:42:25 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/23/2012 8:41:48 AM, bossyburrito wrote:
At 5/23/2012 8:40:28 AM, Microsuck wrote:
I haven't seen it, but it is a YouTube movie made by the idiots Ray Comfort and Kirk Cameron. Has anyone seen it? If so, what are your thoughts and what is it about?

Lemme look it up. Ray comfort is an idiot though.

Ok thanks!

+infinity.
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5/23/2012 8:49:50 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/23/2012 8:40:28 AM, Microsuck wrote:
I haven't seen it, but it is a YouTube movie made by the idiots Ray Comfort and Kirk Cameron. Has anyone seen it? If so, what are your thoughts and what is it about?

Ok, I'm five minutes into it, and he is just talking to idiots that don't know who Hitler was.
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5/23/2012 8:56:58 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/23/2012 8:49:50 AM, bossyburrito wrote:
At 5/23/2012 8:40:28 AM, Microsuck wrote:
I haven't seen it, but it is a YouTube movie made by the idiots Ray Comfort and Kirk Cameron. Has anyone seen it? If so, what are your thoughts and what is it about?

Ok, I'm five minutes into it, and he is just talking to idiots that don't know who Hitler was.

Five minutes later: Asking people hypotheticals about Hitler. God damn, its already a third done. Still no point.
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5/23/2012 8:57:08 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/23/2012 8:49:50 AM, bossyburrito wrote:
At 5/23/2012 8:40:28 AM, Microsuck wrote:
I haven't seen it, but it is a YouTube movie made by the idiots Ray Comfort and Kirk Cameron. Has anyone seen it? If so, what are your thoughts and what is it about?

Ok, I'm five minutes into it, and he is just talking to idiots that don't know who Hitler was.

LOL! yah, it's pretty bad.
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5/23/2012 9:01:03 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/23/2012 8:56:58 AM, bossyburrito wrote:
At 5/23/2012 8:49:50 AM, bossyburrito wrote:
At 5/23/2012 8:40:28 AM, Microsuck wrote:
I haven't seen it, but it is a YouTube movie made by the idiots Ray Comfort and Kirk Cameron. Has anyone seen it? If so, what are your thoughts and what is it about?

Ok, I'm five minutes into it, and he is just talking to idiots that don't know who Hitler was.

Five minutes later: Asking people hypotheticals about Hitler. God damn, its already a third done. Still no point.

At the 13:20 mark: I FUCKING KNEW HE WAS GOING TO TURN IT TO ABORTION.
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5/23/2012 9:05:22 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/23/2012 9:01:03 AM, bossyburrito wrote:
At 5/23/2012 8:56:58 AM, bossyburrito wrote:
At 5/23/2012 8:49:50 AM, bossyburrito wrote:
At 5/23/2012 8:40:28 AM, Microsuck wrote:
I haven't seen it, but it is a YouTube movie made by the idiots Ray Comfort and Kirk Cameron. Has anyone seen it? If so, what are your thoughts and what is it about?

Ok, I'm five minutes into it, and he is just talking to idiots that don't know who Hitler was.

Five minutes later: Asking people hypotheticals about Hitler. God damn, its already a third done. Still no point.

At the 13:20 mark: I FUCKING KNEW HE WAS GOING TO TURN IT TO ABORTION.

Yeah, even though he completely strawmans it!
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5/23/2012 9:09:31 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/23/2012 9:05:22 AM, Microsuck wrote:
At 5/23/2012 9:01:03 AM, bossyburrito wrote:
At 5/23/2012 8:56:58 AM, bossyburrito wrote:
At 5/23/2012 8:49:50 AM, bossyburrito wrote:
At 5/23/2012 8:40:28 AM, Microsuck wrote:
I haven't seen it, but it is a YouTube movie made by the idiots Ray Comfort and Kirk Cameron. Has anyone seen it? If so, what are your thoughts and what is it about?

Ok, I'm five minutes into it, and he is just talking to idiots that don't know who Hitler was.

Five minutes later: Asking people hypotheticals about Hitler. God damn, its already a third done. Still no point.

At the 13:20 mark: I FUCKING KNEW HE WAS GOING TO TURN IT TO ABORTION.

Yeah, even though he completely strawmans it!

God damn, killing a fetus =/= killing fully sentient life.
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5/23/2012 9:11:15 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Saw it all. It's basically asking the question "Would you kill a baby" to loads of people, therefore abortion is wrong. In other words, the really common argument made really emotionally, without listening to other arguments or responding to them. A preach, not a defence.
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5/23/2012 9:14:49 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/23/2012 9:11:15 AM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
Saw it all. It's basically asking the question "Would you kill a baby" to loads of people, therefore abortion is wrong. In other words, the really common argument made really emotionally, without listening to other arguments or responding to them. A preach, not a defence.

This.
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5/23/2012 9:15:02 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/23/2012 9:13:00 AM, drafterman wrote:
On a related note, I love peanut butter and banana sandwiches.

Ewwww
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5/23/2012 9:16:28 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/23/2012 9:15:02 AM, bossyburrito wrote:
At 5/23/2012 9:13:00 AM, drafterman wrote:
On a related note, I love peanut butter and banana sandwiches.

Ewwww
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5/23/2012 9:17:44 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/23/2012 9:16:28 AM, Microsuck wrote:
At 5/23/2012 9:15:02 AM, bossyburrito wrote:
At 5/23/2012 9:13:00 AM, drafterman wrote:
On a related note, I love peanut butter and banana sandwiches.

Ewwww



I am now Christian.
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5/23/2012 9:18:54 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/23/2012 9:17:44 AM, bossyburrito wrote:
At 5/23/2012 9:16:28 AM, Microsuck wrote:
At 5/23/2012 9:15:02 AM, bossyburrito wrote:
At 5/23/2012 9:13:00 AM, drafterman wrote:
On a related note, I love peanut butter and banana sandwiches.

Ewwww



I am now Christian.

So am I. Praise Jesus Christ the Son of God!
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5/23/2012 9:25:39 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/23/2012 9:24:18 AM, KeytarHero wrote:
Why do you believe Ray Comfort is an idiot? Because you disagree with him? That's not a very intelligent thing to say.

No, because of the way he butchers science and shows how he knows NOTHING about the Theory of Evolution.
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5/23/2012 9:29:28 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/23/2012 9:25:39 AM, Microsuck wrote:
At 5/23/2012 9:24:18 AM, KeytarHero wrote:
Why do you believe Ray Comfort is an idiot? Because you disagree with him? That's not a very intelligent thing to say.

No, because of the way he butchers science and shows how he knows NOTHING about the Theory of Evolution.

How does he butcher science?

Also, I'm not talking about "The Atheist's Nightmare." I agree that it's a bad argument, and it's one I never make. But making a bad argument does not make someone an idiot.
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5/23/2012 9:34:01 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/23/2012 9:29:28 AM, KeytarHero wrote:
At 5/23/2012 9:25:39 AM, Microsuck wrote:
At 5/23/2012 9:24:18 AM, KeytarHero wrote:
Why do you believe Ray Comfort is an idiot? Because you disagree with him? That's not a very intelligent thing to say.

No, because of the way he butchers science and shows how he knows NOTHING about the Theory of Evolution.

How does he butcher science?

Also, I'm not talking about "The Atheist's Nightmare." I agree that it's a bad argument, and it's one I never make. But making a bad argument does not make someone an idiot.
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5/23/2012 9:36:00 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/23/2012 9:29:28 AM, KeytarHero wrote:
At 5/23/2012 9:25:39 AM, Microsuck wrote:
At 5/23/2012 9:24:18 AM, KeytarHero wrote:
Why do you believe Ray Comfort is an idiot? Because you disagree with him? That's not a very intelligent thing to say.

No, because of the way he butchers science and shows how he knows NOTHING about the Theory of Evolution.

How does he butcher science?

Also, I'm not talking about "The Atheist's Nightmare." I agree that it's a bad argument, and it's one I never make. But making a bad argument does not make someone an idiot.

Have you heard him debate? He is absolutely horrible. He debated some atheist representative (can't remember his name, he didn't do well either) and used a coke can argument against evolution. The man doesn't understand the thing he rails against, at all.

I also find him a bit disingenuous - he wrote a 50 page forward for the Origin of the Species in which he attempts to rebut it by introducing PRATT after PRATT.
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5/23/2012 9:36:51 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/23/2012 9:11:15 AM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
Saw it all. It's basically asking the question "Would you kill a baby" to loads of people, therefore abortion is wrong. In other words, the really common argument made really emotionally, without listening to other arguments or responding to them. A preach, not a defence.

I just finished watching it, and this is what it tried to say:http://gifboom.com...
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5/23/2012 10:31:11 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/23/2012 9:11:15 AM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
Saw it all. It's basically asking the question "Would you kill a baby" to loads of people, therefore abortion is wrong. In other words, the really common argument made really emotionally, without listening to other arguments or responding to them. A preach, not a defense.

you clearly did not actually watch it. he didnt just ask "would you kill a baby" and he responded to tons of stuff that all these people on the street that where solidly for abortion before thinking there view couldnt change and then they make a 180 by the end of the conversation.

he started out just talking about the holocaust and some interesting choices people in the German army had to make during it.
after everyone pretty common universal position on that set of evil was established in the terms of basic principals he proceeded to just talk about abortion and the parallels are obvious.
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5/23/2012 11:03:55 PM
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At 5/23/2012 9:29:28 AM, KeytarHero wrote:
But making a bad argument does not make someone an idiot.

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5/24/2012 2:46:39 AM
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I gauruntee that Kirk Cameron interviewed atleast one person who said, when asked the question "Do you know who adolf hitler is?" that replied with "Yes, do you know that he was a christian?"
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5/25/2012 10:31:07 PM
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At 5/24/2012 2:46:39 AM, tkubok wrote:
I gauruntee that Kirk Cameron interviewed atleast one person who said, when asked the question "Do you know who adolf hitler is?" that replied with "Yes, do you know that he was a christian?"

evil idolaters can start out with belief in god.
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5/26/2012 12:43:12 AM
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At 5/24/2012 2:46:39 AM, tkubok wrote:
I gauruntee that Kirk Cameron interviewed atleast one person who said, when asked the question "Do you know who adolf hitler is?" that replied with "Yes, do you know that he was a christian?"

+5
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5/26/2012 4:43:03 AM
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I enjoyed it, it's clever n' all BUT it's not 'the foolish gospel; Christ crucified' which is what saves people because then God gets all the glory..

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5/26/2012 5:23:41 AM
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At 5/23/2012 10:31:11 PM, Marauder wrote:
At 5/23/2012 9:11:15 AM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
Saw it all. It's basically asking the question "Would you kill a baby" to loads of people, therefore abortion is wrong. In other words, the really common argument made really emotionally, without listening to other arguments or responding to them. A preach, not a defense.

you clearly did not actually watch it. he didnt just ask "would you kill a baby" and he responded to tons of stuff that all these people on the street that where solidly for abortion before thinking there view couldnt change and then they make a 180 by the end of the conversation.

he started out just talking about the holocaust and some interesting choices people in the German army had to make during it.
after everyone pretty common universal position on that set of evil was established in the terms of basic principals he proceeded to just talk about abortion and the parallels are obvious.

Yes, he started with Hitler, then said "You're not a nazi", then said "You wouldn't kill a baby, would you?" Over and over. It was the only real argument, the rest was Bullshitting about. It's not important whether it was 'interesting' (which, as nazi history being one of my history subjects, it really wasn't: most of the things seemed taken from a pre-GCSE course of the subject), because it was just rhetoric building up to the main question. Which I've heard before. Dozens of times. It's still equally bad.
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