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twocupcakes
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5/24/2012 1:28:19 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I am interested in how close to the exact version of God does somebody have to believe to get into heaven. For example, if it turns out the that the Muslim God is true, do the Jews/Christians get into heaven. What if the Mormon or Hindu God is true?

What if someone believes God hates homosexual acts, when he really is cool with it? What if God really does hate people working on Sunday? What is God hates people who eat pigs or beef? How close do we have to estimate Gods opinions on what is good/bad to get into heaven?

Do we have to hit guess his opinions 100% spot on? Is God okay if we get 95% of his rules correct? Or is 75% okay? 50%? 25%?

Also how close to you think your beliefs are to the exact God? What are the chances you might be wrong? Are you 75% you figured the right God and this God's opinions ect?
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5/24/2012 1:43:59 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/24/2012 1:28:19 PM, twocupcakes wrote:
I am interested in how close to the exact version of God does somebody have to believe to get into heaven. For example, if it turns out the that the Muslim God is true, do the Jews/Christians get into heaven. What if the Mormon or Hindu God is true?

What if someone believes God hates homosexual acts, when he really is cool with it? What if God really does hate people working on Sunday? What is God hates people who eat pigs or beef? How close do we have to estimate Gods opinions on what is good/bad to get into heaven?

Do we have to hit guess his opinions 100% spot on? Is God okay if we get 95% of his rules correct? Or is 75% okay? 50%? 25%?

Also how close to you think your beliefs are to the exact God? What are the chances you might be wrong? Are you 75% you figured the right God and this God's opinions ect?

You ask your questions without validating what you deem 'acceptable' fields for the answer.

For example:
Are you asking for a deductive philosophical line of reasoning?
Are you willing to accept general revelatory processes from natural theologians?
Are you willing to accept specific revelatory theological claims?

The very idea of heaven's existence can be defined differently in each field as much as the answer could be specifically different within or among the different fields.
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5/24/2012 1:48:50 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/24/2012 1:28:19 PM, twocupcakes wrote:
I am interested in how close to the exact version of God does somebody have to believe to get into heaven. For example, if it turns out the that the Muslim God is true, do the Jews/Christians get into heaven. What if the Mormon or Hindu God is true?

What if someone believes God hates homosexual acts, when he really is cool with it? What if God really does hate people working on Sunday? What is God hates people who eat pigs or beef? How close do we have to estimate Gods opinions on what is good/bad to get into heaven?

Do we have to hit guess his opinions 100% spot on? Is God okay if we get 95% of his rules correct? Or is 75% okay? 50%? 25%?

Also how close to you think your beliefs are to the exact God? What are the chances you might be wrong? Are you 75% you figured the right God and this God's opinions ect?

Hypothetically speaking, it depends on what god it is. For instance, one god might be like, "You got everything 100% wrong? Who cares?" while another might damn you to hell for failing to uphold one little commandment. Also for some gods, there is no heaven.

This is a very interesting and thought provoking question.
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5/24/2012 1:50:20 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/24/2012 1:28:19 PM, twocupcakes wrote:
I am interested in how close to the exact version of God does somebody have to believe to get into heaven. For example, if it turns out the that the Muslim God is true, do the Jews/Christians get into heaven. What if the Mormon or Hindu God is true?

What if someone believes God hates homosexual acts, when he really is cool with it? What if God really does hate people working on Sunday? What is God hates people who eat pigs or beef? How close do we have to estimate Gods opinions on what is good/bad to get into heaven?

Do we have to hit guess his opinions 100% spot on? Is God okay if we get 95% of his rules correct? Or is 75% okay? 50%? 25%?

Also how close to you think your beliefs are to the exact God? What are the chances you might be wrong? Are you 75% you figured the right God and this God's opinions ect?

All you must do is accept Jesus Christ as your Savior.
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5/24/2012 2:05:02 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/24/2012 1:43:59 PM, Gileandos wrote:


You ask your questions without validating what you deem 'acceptable' fields for the answer.

For example:
Are you asking for a deductive philosophical line of reasoning?
Are you willing to accept general revelatory processes from natural theologians?
Are you willing to accept specific revelatory theological claims?

The very idea of heaven's existence can be defined differently in each field as much as the answer could be specifically different within or among the different fields.

"God's most important laws are don't eat pork, and don't kill people. Get these right and about 75% of his other opinions and you should be in to heaven. I am about 85% sure this is the way God works" This is one example of an acceptable answer, but I am interested in any opinion/idea that has to do with this concept.

I am also interested at what point does God cut us off from heaven and send us to burn. For example, if God wants us to get him 70% right and someone guesses 69% of his beliefs, this guy gets sent to Hell, the same as someone at 0%? There has to be some cut off point, right?

Generally just your opinion, I am looking for. Many acceptable anwsers.
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5/24/2012 2:07:34 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/24/2012 1:48:50 PM, AlwaysMoreThanYou wrote:
At 5/24/2012 1:28:19 PM, twocupcakes wrote:
I am interested in how close to the exact version of God does somebody have to believe to get into heaven. For example, if it turns out the that the Muslim God is true, do the Jews/Christians get into heaven. What if the Mormon or Hindu God is true?


Hypothetically speaking, it depends on what god it is. For instance, one god might be like, "You got everything 100% wrong? Who cares?" while another might damn you to hell for failing to uphold one little commandment. Also for some gods, there is no heaven.

This is a very interesting and thought provoking question.

Yeah man. Do you believe in God/Gods. If so, In your opinion, how strict is your God on getting into heaven. What is the "cut off point" of your God?
twocupcakes
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5/24/2012 2:11:45 PM
Posted: 4 years ago

All you must do is accept Jesus Christ as your Savior.

If believing in Jesus is all you need, why do people feel the need to oppose homosexuality or abortion on religious grounds. If jesus is all you need to get into heaven why worry about doing other things based on religion. Jesus will get you there, why do anything else?

Some people believe Jesus was a capitalist, some a socialist. Some against homosexuality some not. How close to we have to guess Jesus' opinions to get into heaven?

Some believe he was the son of God, some demi-God, some, some just a person. How close do we have to guess Jesus' magical powers to get into heaven?
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5/24/2012 2:22:04 PM
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My beliefs are probably 12% in accordance with god's beliefs. I believe in peaceful trading, where god believes in celestial dictatorship coercion and threats of violence and torture. So, morally I'm superior to god, but so is almost every member of this site. Who on this site would torture their children in their basement for not loving them?
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5/24/2012 3:37:34 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/24/2012 2:22:04 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
My beliefs are probably 12% in accordance with god's beliefs. I believe in peaceful trading, where god believes in celestial dictatorship coercion and threats of violence and torture. So, morally I'm superior to god, but so is almost every member of this site. Who on this site would torture their children in their basement for not loving them?

While hell is torment (an internal condition), it is not torture (which is imposed from without).
Gileandos
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5/24/2012 4:57:16 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/24/2012 2:05:02 PM, twocupcakes wrote:
At 5/24/2012 1:43:59 PM, Gileandos wrote:


You ask your questions without validating what you deem 'acceptable' fields for the answer.

For example:
Are you asking for a deductive philosophical line of reasoning?
Are you willing to accept general revelatory processes from natural theologians?
Are you willing to accept specific revelatory theological claims?

The very idea of heaven's existence can be defined differently in each field as much as the answer could be specifically different within or among the different fields.

"God's most important laws are don't eat pork, and don't kill people. Get these right and about 75% of his other opinions and you should be in to heaven. I am about 85% sure this is the way God works" This is one example of an acceptable answer, but I am interested in any opinion/idea that has to do with this concept.

I am also interested at what point does God cut us off from heaven and send us to burn. For example, if God wants us to get him 70% right and someone guesses 69% of his beliefs, this guy gets sent to Hell, the same as someone at 0%? There has to be some cut off point, right?

Generally just your opinion, I am looking for. Many acceptable anwsers.

An ontological morality is the condition that presents itself as a qualifier in all fields.
Philosophically we can see how evil is a condition for wholesomeness and justification for a heavenly concept.
Backed up by a general revelation within each of us of a internal moral compass.
Which is further backed up by a Christian theological claim of 'good gets good and bad gets bad'.

All three, philosophical, general revelatory and specific revelation dogmatically presents the idea that morality is the source of inclusion into heaven.
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5/24/2012 5:55:23 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/24/2012 2:11:45 PM, twocupcakes wrote:

All you must do is accept Jesus Christ as your Savior.

If believing in Jesus is all you need, why do people feel the need to oppose homosexuality or abortion on religious grounds. If jesus is all you need to get into heaven why worry about doing other things based on religion. Jesus will get you there, why do anything else?

Some people believe Jesus was a capitalist, some a socialist. Some against homosexuality some not. How close to we have to guess Jesus' opinions to get into heaven?

Some believe he was the son of God, some demi-God, some, some just a person. How close do we have to guess Jesus' magical powers to get into heaven?

That is man made dogma, Not Jesus's! All you need is faith and belief in Jesus, period! Everything else is debatable.
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5/24/2012 5:56:22 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/24/2012 2:22:04 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
My beliefs are probably 12% in accordance with god's beliefs. I believe in peaceful trading, where god believes in celestial dictatorship coercion and threats of violence and torture. So, morally I'm superior to god, but so is almost every member of this site. Who on this site would torture their children in their basement for not loving them?

Where is these claims.Post it or admit it is false!
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5/25/2012 8:31:17 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/24/2012 5:55:23 PM, ScottyDouglas wrote:
At 5/24/2012 2:11:45 PM, twocupcakes wrote:

All you must do is accept Jesus Christ as your Savior.

If believing in Jesus is all you need, why do people feel the need to oppose homosexuality or abortion on religious grounds. If jesus is all you need to get into heaven why worry about doing other things based on religion. Jesus will get you there, why do anything else?

Some people believe Jesus was a capitalist, some a socialist. Some against homosexuality some not. How close to we have to guess Jesus' opinions to get into heaven?

Some believe he was the son of God, some demi-God, some, some just a person. How close do we have to guess Jesus' magical powers to get into heaven?

That is man made dogma, Not Jesus's! All you need is faith and belief in Jesus, period! Everything else is debatable.

Cool, So as long as you believe in Jesus, God lets you into paradise regardless of how good or evil you are. But God tortures you forever for not loving believing or loving Jesus? How is this God not like an evil celestial dictator?
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5/25/2012 8:36:23 AM
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An ontological morality is the condition that presents itself as a qualifier in all fields.
Philosophically we can see how evil is a condition for wholesomeness and justification for a heavenly concept.
Backed up by a general revelation within each of us of a internal moral compass.
Which is further backed up by a Christian theological claim of 'good gets good and bad gets bad'.

All three, philosophical, general revelatory and specific revelation dogmatically presents the idea that morality is the source of inclusion into heaven.

Cool, so you believe that good people go to heaven and bad people get punished. If I believed in God, this would generally be how I think it should work. I find it disturbing that some people believe that "belief" gives them a free pass to paradise for commiting heinous crimes and "non-belief" condemns good people to torture. I find it even more disturbing when some people believe following arbitrary "laws of god" like don't be homosexual, don't use medicine, or don't eat pork get you into heaven. Do you agree?