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popculturepooka
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5/31/2012 6:46:52 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Apparently, there are multitudes of reasons I'm going to hell.

First, because I'm a philosopher:

http://www.3quarksdaily.com...

Second, because I've voted Democratic before (and have never repented for that sin):

http://conservativebyte.com...

Alas.
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5/31/2012 6:54:43 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Looks like there'll be a lot of us in hell! :P
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5/31/2012 6:56:40 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/31/2012 6:50:58 PM, ScottyDouglas wrote:
Those are not sins buddy.

I agree. Did you read the articles, though? I especially like the first one. ;)

I hope you do not go to hell.

Me neither.

That is up to only you to decide.
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5/31/2012 6:57:12 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/31/2012 6:55:16 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
*facepalm*

These are the types of people that make Christians and Conservatives look bad...

Good gosh...
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5/31/2012 6:57:16 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Is it canon for Hell to literally be a place, a place of misery, and/or a place of misery constructed by God?

Isn't it far more likely that hell isn't a place, but simply the natural result of godlessness?
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5/31/2012 7:00:26 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/31/2012 6:46:52 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
Apparently, there are multitudes of reasons I'm going to hell.

First, because I'm a philosopher:

http://www.3quarksdaily.com...

Second, because I've voted Democratic before (and have never repented for that sin):

http://conservativebyte.com...

Alas.

You seem to be hell bent against hell. Is this your reason for not accepting Christianity if you don't accept Christianity?
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5/31/2012 7:04:32 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/31/2012 7:00:26 PM, Reason_Alliance wrote:
At 5/31/2012 6:46:52 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
Apparently, there are multitudes of reasons I'm going to hell.

First, because I'm a philosopher:

http://www.3quarksdaily.com...

Second, because I've voted Democratic before (and have never repented for that sin):

http://conservativebyte.com...

Alas.

You seem to be hell bent against hell. Is this your reason for not accepting Christianity if you don't accept Christianity?

I accepted Christianity years ago (approximately 6 now), bro.

I actually think the first piece brings up a good argument and is a fairly clever piece. The second one was just paired by it because it fit in to a theme (going to hell...) that happened to pop up on my google reader today. But, yeah, I do happen to think it is an important issue. Don't you?
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5/31/2012 7:05:13 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/31/2012 6:57:16 PM, Kleptin wrote:
Is it canon for Hell to literally be a place, a place of misery, and/or a place of misery constructed by God?

Isn't it far more likely that hell isn't a place, but simply the natural result of godlessness?

^ man left to his own vices.. might be nice -- at first?
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5/31/2012 7:06:29 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/31/2012 7:00:26 PM, Reason_Alliance wrote:
At 5/31/2012 6:46:52 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
Apparently, there are multitudes of reasons I'm going to hell.

First, because I'm a philosopher:

http://www.3quarksdaily.com...

Second, because I've voted Democratic before (and have never repented for that sin):

http://conservativebyte.com...

Alas.

You seem to be hell bent against hell. Is this your reason for not accepting Christianity if you don't accept Christianity?

His profile says Christian. o.O
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5/31/2012 7:06:33 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/31/2012 7:04:32 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 5/31/2012 7:00:26 PM, Reason_Alliance wrote:
At 5/31/2012 6:46:52 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
Apparently, there are multitudes of reasons I'm going to hell.

First, because I'm a philosopher:

http://www.3quarksdaily.com...

Second, because I've voted Democratic before (and have never repented for that sin):

http://conservativebyte.com...

Alas.

You seem to be hell bent against hell. Is this your reason for not accepting Christianity if you don't accept Christianity?

I accepted Christianity years ago (approximately 6 now), bro.

I actually think the first piece brings up a good argument and is a fairly clever piece. The second one was just paired by it because it fit in to a theme (going to hell...) that happened to pop up on my google reader today. But, yeah, I do happen to think it is an important issue. Don't you?

Oh most definitely.
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5/31/2012 7:07:28 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/31/2012 7:06:29 PM, Rusty wrote:
At 5/31/2012 7:00:26 PM, Reason_Alliance wrote:
At 5/31/2012 6:46:52 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
Apparently, there are multitudes of reasons I'm going to hell.

First, because I'm a philosopher:

http://www.3quarksdaily.com...

Second, because I've voted Democratic before (and have never repented for that sin):

http://conservativebyte.com...

Alas.

You seem to be hell bent against hell. Is this your reason for not accepting Christianity if you don't accept Christianity?

His profile says Christian. o.O

I know- I've suspected he's been considering Christian Universalism.
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5/31/2012 7:08:49 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/31/2012 7:07:28 PM, Reason_Alliance wrote:

I know- I've suspected he's been considering Christian Universalism.

Kind of settles the matter, right?
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5/31/2012 7:08:49 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/31/2012 7:07:28 PM, Reason_Alliance wrote:
At 5/31/2012 7:06:29 PM, Rusty wrote:
At 5/31/2012 7:00:26 PM, Reason_Alliance wrote:
At 5/31/2012 6:46:52 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
Apparently, there are multitudes of reasons I'm going to hell.

First, because I'm a philosopher:

http://www.3quarksdaily.com...

Second, because I've voted Democratic before (and have never repented for that sin):

http://conservativebyte.com...

Alas.

You seem to be hell bent against hell. Is this your reason for not accepting Christianity if you don't accept Christianity?

His profile says Christian. o.O

I know- I've suspected he's been considering Christian Universalism.

Uh...
Reason_Alliance
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5/31/2012 7:21:16 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/31/2012 7:08:49 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 5/31/2012 7:07:28 PM, Reason_Alliance wrote:

I know- I've suspected he's been considering Christian Universalism.

Kind of settles the matter, right?

No sir, just because it has Christian in it doesn't mean it's what Christ preached. I'd like to know where a good exegesis is on the idea that all will be saved regardless of their free choice.
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5/31/2012 7:21:39 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/31/2012 7:08:49 PM, Rusty wrote:
At 5/31/2012 7:07:28 PM, Reason_Alliance wrote:
At 5/31/2012 7:06:29 PM, Rusty wrote:
At 5/31/2012 7:00:26 PM, Reason_Alliance wrote:
At 5/31/2012 6:46:52 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
Apparently, there are multitudes of reasons I'm going to hell.

First, because I'm a philosopher:

http://www.3quarksdaily.com...

Second, because I've voted Democratic before (and have never repented for that sin):

http://conservativebyte.com...

Alas.

You seem to be hell bent against hell. Is this your reason for not accepting Christianity if you don't accept Christianity?

His profile says Christian. o.O

I know- I've suspected he's been considering Christian Universalism.

Uh...

hrmm
popculturepooka
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5/31/2012 7:35:49 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/31/2012 7:21:16 PM, Reason_Alliance wrote:
At 5/31/2012 7:08:49 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 5/31/2012 7:07:28 PM, Reason_Alliance wrote:

I know- I've suspected he's been considering Christian Universalism.

Kind of settles the matter, right?

No sir, just because it has Christian in it doesn't mean it's what Christ preached. I'd like to know where a good exegesis is on the idea that all will be saved regardless of their free choice.

I'd like to know where a good exegesis is on the idea that all won't be saved due to their free choice.

Anyhow:
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5/31/2012 7:37:56 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/31/2012 7:21:16 PM, Reason_Alliance wrote:
At 5/31/2012 7:08:49 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 5/31/2012 7:07:28 PM, Reason_Alliance wrote:

I know- I've suspected he's been considering Christian Universalism.

Kind of settles the matter, right?

No sir, just because it has Christian in it doesn't mean it's what Christ preached. I'd like to know where a good exegesis is on the idea that all will be saved regardless of their free choice.

Do you think Calvinists are Christians?
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5/31/2012 7:53:51 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/31/2012 7:37:56 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 5/31/2012 7:21:16 PM, Reason_Alliance wrote:
At 5/31/2012 7:08:49 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 5/31/2012 7:07:28 PM, Reason_Alliance wrote:

I know- I've suspected he's been considering Christian Universalism.

Kind of settles the matter, right?

No sir, just because it has Christian in it doesn't mean it's what Christ preached. I'd like to know where a good exegesis is on the idea that all will be saved regardless of their free choice.

Do you think Calvinists are Christians?

That's not for me to decide but it seems they follow more or less what Christ preached. I grant to you that all Christians probably have bad doctrine. But to say that a post-mortem salvation is not foreign to the New Testament is to admit what Origen taught, and for which he was condemned by the early church fathers.

My point isn't that you're not a Christian man. Again, that's not for me to decide. Rather it's the question, is Christian Universalism taught by Christ & the bible?
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5/31/2012 8:03:49 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/31/2012 7:53:51 PM, Reason_Alliance wrote:
At 5/31/2012 7:37:56 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 5/31/2012 7:21:16 PM, Reason_Alliance wrote:
At 5/31/2012 7:08:49 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 5/31/2012 7:07:28 PM, Reason_Alliance wrote:

I know- I've suspected he's been considering Christian Universalism.

Kind of settles the matter, right?

No sir, just because it has Christian in it doesn't mean it's what Christ preached. I'd like to know where a good exegesis is on the idea that all will be saved regardless of their free choice.

Do you think Calvinists are Christians?

That's not for me to decide but it seems they follow more or less what Christ preached. I grant to you that all Christians probably have bad doctrine. But to say that a post-mortem salvation is not foreign to the New Testament is to admit what Origen taught, and for which he was condemned by the early church fathers.


Origen was condemned for many things but his universalism wasn't one of them. I'm fairly sure of that considering I've studied the issue. All of his views tend to get lumped together and people assume that because he had some views that were condemned his universalism was. It wasn't. There was a very explicit list of the views he held that were held as heresy. Universalism wasn't among them. Why was Gregory of Nyssa never condemned for his universalism?

My point isn't that you're not a Christian man. Again, that's not for me to decide. Rather it's the question, is Christian Universalism taught by Christ & the bible?

Sure seems like it.
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5/31/2012 8:07:01 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/31/2012 8:03:49 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 5/31/2012 7:53:51 PM, Reason_Alliance wrote:
At 5/31/2012 7:37:56 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 5/31/2012 7:21:16 PM, Reason_Alliance wrote:
At 5/31/2012 7:08:49 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 5/31/2012 7:07:28 PM, Reason_Alliance wrote:

I know- I've suspected he's been considering Christian Universalism.

Kind of settles the matter, right?

No sir, just because it has Christian in it doesn't mean it's what Christ preached. I'd like to know where a good exegesis is on the idea that all will be saved regardless of their free choice.

Do you think Calvinists are Christians?

That's not for me to decide but it seems they follow more or less what Christ preached. I grant to you that all Christians probably have bad doctrine. But to say that a post-mortem salvation is not foreign to the New Testament is to admit what Origen taught, and for which he was condemned by the early church fathers.


Origen was condemned for many things but his universalism wasn't one of them. I'm fairly sure of that considering I've studied the issue. All of his views tend to get lumped together and people assume that because he had some views that were condemned his universalism was. It wasn't. There was a very explicit list of the views he held that were held as heresy. Universalism wasn't among them. Why was Gregory of Nyssa never condemned for his universalism?


*I mean condemned by the very same council who eulogized Gregoy of Nyssa.

My point isn't that you're not a Christian man. Again, that's not for me to decide. Rather it's the question, is Christian Universalism taught by Christ & the bible?

Sure seems like it.
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5/31/2012 8:15:08 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
My point isn't that you're not a Christian man. Again, that's not for me to decide. Rather it's the question, is Christian Universalism taught by Christ & the bible?

Sure seems like it.

You'd be wrong to think so.... but on the other hand the chimichanga I'm having right now is out of this world!
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5/31/2012 8:18:33 PM
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That's not for me to decide but it seems they follow more or less what Christ preached. I grant to you that all Christians probably have bad doctrine. But to say that a post-mortem salvation is not foreign to the New Testament is to admit what Origen taught, and for which he was condemned by the early church fathers.


Origen was condemned for many things but his universalism wasn't one of them.

Universalism wasn't named back then. As said above, post-mortem salvation was rejected. And it's post-mortem salvation that people point to today to support Christian universalism.
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5/31/2012 8:19:51 PM
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At 5/31/2012 6:57:16 PM, Kleptin wrote:
Is it canon for Hell to literally be a place, a place of misery, and/or a place of misery constructed by God?

Isn't it far more likely that hell isn't a place, but simply the natural result of godlessness?

I actually tend to stick to that view. Either way, est no bueno.
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5/31/2012 8:22:10 PM
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At 5/31/2012 6:57:16 PM, Kleptin wrote:
Is it canon for Hell to literally be a place, a place of misery, and/or a place of misery constructed by God?

Isn't it far more likely that hell isn't a place, but simply the natural result of godlessness?

This is my view on it. It's not like he wants to send us to Hell, he simply can't allow us into Heaven if we have not been cleansed.

Basically, Hell is a place that God is not at.
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5/31/2012 8:25:33 PM
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At 5/31/2012 8:22:10 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 5/31/2012 6:57:16 PM, Kleptin wrote:
Is it canon for Hell to literally be a place, a place of misery, and/or a place of misery constructed by God?

Isn't it far more likely that hell isn't a place, but simply the natural result of godlessness?

This is my view on it. It's not like he wants to send us to Hell, he simply can't allow us into Heaven if we have not been cleansed.

Basically, Hell is a place that God is not at.

I honestly think that's the biblical view. It's God being a gentleman & honoring free choice. Further hell was never meant for us. It's a place for Satan & his followers. Hell is simply all that is not of God. Sounds like a theme-park for me when I was in the military.
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5/31/2012 8:27:01 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 5/31/2012 6:57:16 PM, Kleptin wrote:
Is it canon for Hell to literally be a place, a place of misery, and/or a place of misery constructed by God?

Isn't it far more likely that hell isn't a place, but simply the natural result of godlessness?

It is canon. Jesus spoke of Hell as a real place of literal torment, as did other writers of Scripture that are considered canon.
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5/31/2012 8:27:05 PM
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At 5/31/2012 8:25:33 PM, Reason_Alliance wrote:
At 5/31/2012 8:22:10 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 5/31/2012 6:57:16 PM, Kleptin wrote:
Is it canon for Hell to literally be a place, a place of misery, and/or a place of misery constructed by God?

Isn't it far more likely that hell isn't a place, but simply the natural result of godlessness?

This is my view on it. It's not like he wants to send us to Hell, he simply can't allow us into Heaven if we have not been cleansed.

Basically, Hell is a place that God is not at.

I honestly think that's the biblical view. It's God being a gentleman & honoring free choice. Further hell was never meant for us. It's a place for Satan & his followers. Hell is simply all that is not of God. Sounds like a theme-park for me when I was in the military.

^Agreed, to both.
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