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6/1/2012 12:49:11 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Thumbs down..

R.Catholics confuse the hell outa me.
: At 10/23/2012 8:06:03 PM, tvellalott wrote:
: Don't be. The Catholic Church is ran by Darth Sidius for fvck sake. As far as I'm concerned, you're a bona fide member of the Sith.
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6/1/2012 12:51:34 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/1/2012 12:49:11 PM, Paradox_7 wrote:
Thumbs down..

R.Catholics confuse the hell outa me.

The first Christians were not Catholics.
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6/1/2012 1:05:58 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/1/2012 12:51:34 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/1/2012 12:49:11 PM, Paradox_7 wrote:
Thumbs down..

R.Catholics confuse the hell outa me.

The first Christians were not Catholics.


Trust me, I know.. lol

But i didn't say the first Christians did i? i said R.Catholics.

If you put "St." in front of a persons name, you are either a R.Catholic, or a Christian trying to make a point about justification.

Point: The people that article references, are all from rome, all have "st." in the front of their names(R.Catholics) so i think Catholics believed this stuff.. Catholics confuse the hell outa me.
: At 10/23/2012 8:06:03 PM, tvellalott wrote:
: Don't be. The Catholic Church is ran by Darth Sidius for fvck sake. As far as I'm concerned, you're a bona fide member of the Sith.
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6/1/2012 1:21:57 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/1/2012 1:08:52 PM, ScottyDouglas wrote:
Totally bogus claim upon Christains.
1. http://www.theosophy-nw.org...

2. http://www.near-death.com...
What confuses me is people thinking somehow Roman Catholic is christian at all.
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6/1/2012 1:25:26 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/1/2012 1:08:52 PM, ScottyDouglas wrote:
Totally bogus claim upon Christains. What confuses me is people thinking somehow Roman Catholic is christian at all.

Roman Catholics are the best.
'When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth; for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.' - John 16:13
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6/1/2012 1:29:40 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/1/2012 1:25:26 PM, AlwaysMoreThanYou wrote:
At 6/1/2012 1:08:52 PM, ScottyDouglas wrote:
Totally bogus claim upon Christains. What confuses me is people thinking somehow Roman Catholic is christian at all.

Roman Catholics are the best.

^that : )
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6/1/2012 1:31:52 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/1/2012 1:21:57 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/1/2012 1:08:52 PM, ScottyDouglas wrote:
Totally bogus claim upon Christains.
1. http://www.theosophy-nw.org...

2. http://www.near-death.com...
What confuses me is people thinking somehow Roman Catholic is christian at all.

They say that is christians but what they practiced was not Biblically Christian, thats the difference. I can say I am a atheist does not mean I am because I live by the Bible.
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6/1/2012 1:33:25 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/1/2012 1:25:26 PM, AlwaysMoreThanYou wrote:
At 6/1/2012 1:08:52 PM, ScottyDouglas wrote:
Totally bogus claim upon Christains. What confuses me is people thinking somehow Roman Catholic is christian at all.

Roman Catholics are the best.

Why do you pray to saints and popes? Why do confess your sins to a man? Can a man elected offical be blessed by God if God did not ordain him?
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6/1/2012 1:34:47 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/1/2012 1:31:52 PM, ScottyDouglas wrote:
At 6/1/2012 1:21:57 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/1/2012 1:08:52 PM, ScottyDouglas wrote:
Totally bogus claim upon Christains.
1. http://www.theosophy-nw.org...

2. http://www.near-death.com...
What confuses me is people thinking somehow Roman Catholic is christian at all.

They say that is christians but what they practiced was not Biblically Christian, thats the difference. I can say I am a atheist does not mean I am because I live by the Bible.

The problem is that the Bible only contains the works that were placed in by the Council at Nicea. I have provided evidence of documents that were suppressed but that did prove the idea of reincarnation (Gospel of Thomas). Moreover, the second source provides testimony from the Bible itself.
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6/1/2012 1:37:58 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/1/2012 1:33:25 PM, ScottyDouglas wrote:
At 6/1/2012 1:25:26 PM, AlwaysMoreThanYou wrote:
At 6/1/2012 1:08:52 PM, ScottyDouglas wrote:
Totally bogus claim upon Christains. What confuses me is people thinking somehow Roman Catholic is christian at all.

Roman Catholics are the best.

Why do you pray to saints and popes? Why do confess your sins to a man? Can a man elected offical be blessed by God if God did not ordain him?

You hold many misconceptions about the Catholic Church, and your constant espousal of them never fails to amaze me.

This weekend, I am taking my SAT IIs. After I'm done with those, I would be glad to debate you regarding the Catholic Church.
'When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth; for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.' - John 16:13
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6/1/2012 1:42:24 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/1/2012 1:37:58 PM, AlwaysMoreThanYou wrote:
At 6/1/2012 1:33:25 PM, ScottyDouglas wrote:
At 6/1/2012 1:25:26 PM, AlwaysMoreThanYou wrote:
At 6/1/2012 1:08:52 PM, ScottyDouglas wrote:
Totally bogus claim upon Christains. What confuses me is people thinking somehow Roman Catholic is christian at all.

Roman Catholics are the best.

Why do you pray to saints and popes? Why do confess your sins to a man? Can a man elected offical be blessed by God if God did not ordain him?

You hold many misconceptions about the Catholic Church, and your constant espousal of them never fails to amaze me.

This weekend, I am taking my SAT IIs. After I'm done with those, I would be glad to debate you regarding the Catholic Church.

^that. And you are just totally wrong if Thomist Roman Catholics are included in Roman Catholics
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6/1/2012 1:49:34 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/1/2012 1:34:47 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/1/2012 1:31:52 PM, ScottyDouglas wrote:
At 6/1/2012 1:21:57 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/1/2012 1:08:52 PM, ScottyDouglas wrote:
Totally bogus claim upon Christains.
1. http://www.theosophy-nw.org...

2. http://www.near-death.com...
What confuses me is people thinking somehow Roman Catholic is christian at all.

They say that is christians but what they practiced was not Biblically Christian, thats the difference. I can say I am a atheist does not mean I am because I live by the Bible.

The problem is that the Bible only contains the works that were placed in by the Council at Nicea. I have provided evidence of documents that were suppressed but that did prove the idea of reincarnation (Gospel of Thomas). Moreover, the second source provides testimony from the Bible itself.

It gave no Biblical qoutes refering to reincarnation. Plz provide.
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6/1/2012 1:50:19 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/1/2012 1:37:58 PM, AlwaysMoreThanYou wrote:
At 6/1/2012 1:33:25 PM, ScottyDouglas wrote:
At 6/1/2012 1:25:26 PM, AlwaysMoreThanYou wrote:
At 6/1/2012 1:08:52 PM, ScottyDouglas wrote:
Totally bogus claim upon Christains. What confuses me is people thinking somehow Roman Catholic is christian at all.

Roman Catholics are the best.

Why do you pray to saints and popes? Why do confess your sins to a man? Can a man elected offical be blessed by God if God did not ordain him?

You hold many misconceptions about the Catholic Church, and your constant espousal of them never fails to amaze me.

This weekend, I am taking my SAT IIs. After I'm done with those, I would be glad to debate you regarding the Catholic Church.

Cool-beans. Ill be waiting.
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6/1/2012 1:50:24 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/1/2012 1:49:34 PM, ScottyDouglas wrote:
At 6/1/2012 1:34:47 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/1/2012 1:31:52 PM, ScottyDouglas wrote:
At 6/1/2012 1:21:57 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/1/2012 1:08:52 PM, ScottyDouglas wrote:
Totally bogus claim upon Christains.
1. http://www.theosophy-nw.org...

2. http://www.near-death.com...
What confuses me is people thinking somehow Roman Catholic is christian at all.

They say that is christians but what they practiced was not Biblically Christian, thats the difference. I can say I am a atheist does not mean I am because I live by the Bible.

The problem is that the Bible only contains the works that were placed in by the Council at Nicea. I have provided evidence of documents that were suppressed but that did prove the idea of reincarnation (Gospel of Thomas). Moreover, the second source provides testimony from the Bible itself.

It gave no Biblical qoutes refering to reincarnation. Plz provide.

Read the second source, dude.
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6/1/2012 1:51:38 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/1/2012 1:38:12 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
In fact, the Gospel of Thomas predates the canonic Gospels.

http://www.gnosis.org...

Though Thomas's gospel is not in the Bible, wonder why?
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6/1/2012 1:52:29 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/1/2012 1:50:24 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/1/2012 1:49:34 PM, ScottyDouglas wrote:
At 6/1/2012 1:34:47 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/1/2012 1:31:52 PM, ScottyDouglas wrote:
At 6/1/2012 1:21:57 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/1/2012 1:08:52 PM, ScottyDouglas wrote:
Totally bogus claim upon Christains.
1. http://www.theosophy-nw.org...

2. http://www.near-death.com...
What confuses me is people thinking somehow Roman Catholic is christian at all.

They say that is christians but what they practiced was not Biblically Christian, thats the difference. I can say I am a atheist does not mean I am because I live by the Bible.

The problem is that the Bible only contains the works that were placed in by the Council at Nicea. I have provided evidence of documents that were suppressed but that did prove the idea of reincarnation (Gospel of Thomas). Moreover, the second source provides testimony from the Bible itself.

It gave no Biblical qoutes refering to reincarnation. Plz provide.

Read the second source, dude.

Lol. I did. maybe you did not. They provided not one Biblical passge refering to reincarnation.
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6/1/2012 1:56:38 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Ill offer the only real evidence of Biblical reincarnation. And it still doesnt say it.

KJV-R (Webster) Revelation 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which isnew Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon himmy new name.
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6/1/2012 2:03:34 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/1/2012 1:51:38 PM, ScottyDouglas wrote:
At 6/1/2012 1:38:12 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
In fact, the Gospel of Thomas predates the canonic Gospels.

http://www.gnosis.org...

Though Thomas's gospel is not in the Bible, wonder why?

The Catholic Church suppressed it. That does not mean it is false or a fabrication; it predates the Gospels in the Bible.
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6/1/2012 2:13:09 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/1/2012 2:03:34 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/1/2012 1:51:38 PM, ScottyDouglas wrote:
At 6/1/2012 1:38:12 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
In fact, the Gospel of Thomas predates the canonic Gospels.

http://www.gnosis.org...

Though Thomas's gospel is not in the Bible, wonder why?

The Catholic Church suppressed it. That does not mean it is false or a fabrication; it predates the Gospels in the Bible.


It's been sooo long since then, and there are soooo many denominations that completely disagree with R.Catholics doctrine. To say that the Catholic church is responsible for the bible and it's books is not at all true.

All scripture must be sound, so if there are books that contradict with the books whose origin is well known- it's safe to say they weren't left out, they simply were never a part of the scriptures.

Ex. the R.Catholic bible contains 7 more books then the protestant bible.

If you have no familiarity with the Bible, you will easily makes the mistake of believing books were left out to hide something..
: At 10/23/2012 8:06:03 PM, tvellalott wrote:
: Don't be. The Catholic Church is ran by Darth Sidius for fvck sake. As far as I'm concerned, you're a bona fide member of the Sith.
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6/1/2012 2:15:25 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/1/2012 2:03:34 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/1/2012 1:51:38 PM, ScottyDouglas wrote:
At 6/1/2012 1:38:12 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
In fact, the Gospel of Thomas predates the canonic Gospels.

http://www.gnosis.org...

Though Thomas's gospel is not in the Bible, wonder why?

The Catholic Church suppressed it. That does not mean it is false or a fabrication; it predates the Gospels in the Bible.

We will agree the Romans held scriptures out that should be in and left some out that should be out.
I have no problems with what is in the Bible today.
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6/1/2012 2:20:08 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/1/2012 2:13:09 PM, Paradox_7 wrote:
At 6/1/2012 2:03:34 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/1/2012 1:51:38 PM, ScottyDouglas wrote:
At 6/1/2012 1:38:12 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
In fact, the Gospel of Thomas predates the canonic Gospels.

http://www.gnosis.org...

Though Thomas's gospel is not in the Bible, wonder why?

The Catholic Church suppressed it. That does not mean it is false or a fabrication; it predates the Gospels in the Bible.


It's been sooo long since then, and there are soooo many denominations that completely disagree with R.Catholics doctrine. To say that the Catholic church is responsible for the bible and it's books is not at all true.

All scripture must be sound, so if there are books that contradict with the books whose origin is well known- it's safe to say they weren't left out, they simply were never a part of the scriptures.

Ex. the R.Catholic bible contains 7 more books then the protestant bible.

If you have no familiarity with the Bible, you will easily makes the mistake of believing books were left out to hide something..

What is unsound about scriptures that predate the canonical Gospels and share common elements with the ones that you believe in? Also, the texts were found in 1945.
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6/1/2012 2:20:25 PM
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What books did the Catholic Church keep out that should have been let in?
'When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth; for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.' - John 16:13
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6/1/2012 2:24:36 PM
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At 6/1/2012 2:20:25 PM, AlwaysMoreThanYou wrote:
What books did the Catholic Church keep out that should have been let in?

The Gospel of Thomas, which predates the other Gospels, should have been included, for example. The Gospels of Judas and Mary were also probably good things to include, and I have no idea why the Gospel of Enoch was excluded.
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6/1/2012 2:29:13 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Book of Enoch. Book of Jasher-which was not gospel but important, Jubulees.
Thses are the ones of the top of my head.
BTW i got those books.
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6/1/2012 2:57:08 PM
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At 6/1/2012 2:20:08 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/1/2012 2:13:09 PM, Paradox_7 wrote:
At 6/1/2012 2:03:34 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/1/2012 1:51:38 PM, ScottyDouglas wrote:
At 6/1/2012 1:38:12 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
In fact, the Gospel of Thomas predates the canonic Gospels.

http://www.gnosis.org...

Though Thomas's gospel is not in the Bible, wonder why?

The Catholic Church suppressed it. That does not mean it is false or a fabrication; it predates the Gospels in the Bible.


It's been sooo long since then, and there are soooo many denominations that completely disagree with R.Catholics doctrine. To say that the Catholic church is responsible for the bible and it's books is not at all true.

All scripture must be sound, so if there are books that contradict with the books whose origin is well known- it's safe to say they weren't left out, they simply were never a part of the scriptures.

Ex. the R.Catholic bible contains 7 more books then the protestant bible.

If you have no familiarity with the Bible, you will easily makes the mistake of believing books were left out to hide something..

What is unsound about scriptures that predate the canonical Gospels and share common elements with the ones that you believe in? Also, the texts were found in 1945.


doesn't really matter how old they are.. and common elements can be found in multiple different faiths; doesn't mean a thing if it isn't exactly inline with all the other books.

Enoch, i've never bothered reading, but i heard it doesn't really add anything, but is typically useless..
: At 10/23/2012 8:06:03 PM, tvellalott wrote:
: Don't be. The Catholic Church is ran by Darth Sidius for fvck sake. As far as I'm concerned, you're a bona fide member of the Sith.
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6/1/2012 2:58:57 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/1/2012 2:57:08 PM, Paradox_7 wrote:
At 6/1/2012 2:20:08 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/1/2012 2:13:09 PM, Paradox_7 wrote:
At 6/1/2012 2:03:34 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/1/2012 1:51:38 PM, ScottyDouglas wrote:
At 6/1/2012 1:38:12 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
In fact, the Gospel of Thomas predates the canonic Gospels.

http://www.gnosis.org...

Though Thomas's gospel is not in the Bible, wonder why?

The Catholic Church suppressed it. That does not mean it is false or a fabrication; it predates the Gospels in the Bible.


It's been sooo long since then, and there are soooo many denominations that completely disagree with R.Catholics doctrine. To say that the Catholic church is responsible for the bible and it's books is not at all true.

All scripture must be sound, so if there are books that contradict with the books whose origin is well known- it's safe to say they weren't left out, they simply were never a part of the scriptures.

Ex. the R.Catholic bible contains 7 more books then the protestant bible.

If you have no familiarity with the Bible, you will easily makes the mistake of believing books were left out to hide something..

What is unsound about scriptures that predate the canonical Gospels and share common elements with the ones that you believe in? Also, the texts were found in 1945.


doesn't really matter how old they are..
Since it is much older, it is more likely to reflect actual Christian teachings.
and common elements can be found in multiple different faiths; doesn't mean a thing if it isn't exactly inline with all the other books.

This is very true, I guess. My point was that it was not radically different or strange.
Enoch, i've never bothered reading, but i heard it doesn't really add anything, but is typically useless..

Why does that mean it should not have been included?