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6/1/2012 11:01:27 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
The Qur'an states that you shall marry only up to four women: "If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with orphans, marry women of your choice, two, or three, or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or that which your right hands possess..." (4:3).

If the Qur'an is eternal, having been written on the table in heaven, then the four wife limit was an eternal decree.

Question: Why did Muhammad have 12 wives if the Qur'an says to have only four? Khadija, sawda, Aesah (8 years old), Omm Salama, Hafsa, Zaynab (originally the wife of Muhammad's adopted son), Jowayriya, Omm Habiba, Safiya, Maymuna, Fatima, Hend, Asma (of Saba), Zaynab, Habla, Asma?
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6/1/2012 11:49:25 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/1/2012 11:01:27 AM, Microsuck wrote:
The Qur'an states that you shall marry only up to four women: "If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with orphans, marry women of your choice, two, or three, or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or that which your right hands possess..." (4:3).

If the Qur'an is eternal, having been written on the table in heaven, then the four wife limit was an eternal decree.

Question: Why did Muhammad have 12 wives if the Qur'an says to have only four? Khadija, sawda, Aesah (8 years old), Omm Salama, Hafsa, Zaynab (originally the wife of Muhammad's adopted son), Jowayriya, Omm Habiba, Safiya, Maymuna, Fatima, Hend, Asma (of Saba), Zaynab, Habla, Asma?

That verse which commanded Muslims to marry only up four wives was revealed to him when he already had more than four wives. This rule was meant as for now, not meaning that everybody which already have more than four wives should just pick someone and then divorce them. And indeed, if prophet Muhammad were to divorce them, then that would not be fair and just to them. In fact, God allowed prophet Muhammad to keep his wives, which was considered as the mothers of the believers:

O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers. (Al-Ahzab 33: 50)

Thus, saying that prophet Muhammad broke God's rule or something, is very wrong.

Moreover, If he were to divorce them, no one else could marry them, and they would be left alone until their deaths, and then he would really break God's rules, because God says in the Quran:

Nor is it right for you that ye should annoy God's Apostle, or that ye should marry his widows after him at any time. Truly such a thing is in God's sight an enormity. (Al-Ahzab 33: 53)
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6/1/2012 11:51:54 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/1/2012 11:01:27 AM, Microsuck wrote:
The Qur'an states that you shall marry only up to four women: "If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with orphans, marry women of your choice, two, or three, or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or that which your right hands possess..." (4:3).

If the Qur'an is eternal, having been written on the table in heaven, then the four wife limit was an eternal decree.

Question: Why did Muhammad have 12 wives if the Qur'an says to have only four? Khadija, sawda, Aesah (8 years old), Omm Salama, Hafsa, Zaynab (originally the wife of Muhammad's adopted son), Jowayriya, Omm Habiba, Safiya, Maymuna, Fatima, Hend, Asma (of Saba), Zaynab, Habla, Asma?

I never understood the four wives law. I thought this statement quite obviously means "two, three, four, etc. etc. as long as you can control them".
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6/1/2012 12:04:51 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/1/2012 11:49:25 AM, Clash wrote:
At 6/1/2012 11:01:27 AM, Microsuck wrote:
The Qur'an states that you shall marry only up to four women: "If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with orphans, marry women of your choice, two, or three, or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or that which your right hands possess..." (4:3).

If the Qur'an is eternal, having been written on the table in heaven, then the four wife limit was an eternal decree.

Question: Why did Muhammad have 12 wives if the Qur'an says to have only four? Khadija, sawda, Aesah (8 years old), Omm Salama, Hafsa, Zaynab (originally the wife of Muhammad's adopted son), Jowayriya, Omm Habiba, Safiya, Maymuna, Fatima, Hend, Asma (of Saba), Zaynab, Habla, Asma?

That verse which commanded Muslims to marry only up four wives was revealed to him when he already had more than four wives. This rule was meant as for now, not meaning that everybody which already have more than four wives should just pick someone and then divorce them. And indeed, if prophet Muhammad were to divorce them, then that would not be fair and just to them. In fact, God allowed prophet Muhammad to keep his wives, which was considered as the mothers of the believers:

So Muhammad was not sinless?


O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers. (Al-Ahzab 33: 50)

So Allah makes an exception just for Muhammad?


Thus, saying that prophet Muhammad broke God's rule or something, is very wrong.

Yet he married more after he became the "prophet" of allah.


Moreover, If he were to divorce them, no one else could marry them, and they would be left alone until their deaths, and then he would really break God's rules, because God says in the Quran:

Nor is it right for you that ye should annoy God's Apostle, or that ye should marry his widows after him at any time. Truly such a thing is in God's sight an enormity. (Al-Ahzab 33: 53)

So the Quran doesn't provide any protection for women? What a great "god"!
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6/1/2012 12:16:00 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
The case of the matter is that this rule was only meant as for now. Thus, those who had more than four wives before this rule (as prophet Muhammed), didn't need to divorce some of their women so it can only be four or less again.
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6/1/2012 12:19:24 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/1/2012 12:16:00 PM, Clash wrote:
The case of the matter is that this rule was only meant as for now. Thus, those who had more than four wives before this rule (as prophet Muhammed), didn't need to divorce some of their women so it can only be four or less again.

Ok, but then why did Muhammad marry AFTER the revelation?

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6/1/2012 12:20:02 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/1/2012 12:16:00 PM, Clash wrote:
The case of the matter is that this rule was only meant as for now. Thus, those who had more than four wives before this rule (as prophet Muhammed), didn't need to divorce some of their women so it can only be four or less again.

Oh, also didn't Muhammad force people do divorice those that had more than 4 wives?

Narrated Al-Harith ibn Qays al-Asadi
I embraced Islam while I had eight wives. So I mentioned it to the Prophet (peace be upon him). The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: Select four of them. (Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 12, Number 2233)
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6/1/2012 2:49:47 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
== Surah Al Ahzab Chapter 33 verse 53==
O ye who believe! Enter not the Prophet's houses,- until leave is given you,- for a meal, (and then) not (so early as) to wait for its preparation: but when ye are invited, enter; and when ye have taken your meal, disperse, without seeking familiar talk. Such (behaviour) annoys the Prophet: he is ashamed to dismiss you, but Allah is not ashamed (to tell you) the truth. And when ye ask (his ladies) for anything ye want, ask them from before a screen: that makes for greater purity for your hearts and for theirs. Nor is it right for you that ye should annoy Allah's Messenger, or that ye should marry his widows after him at any time. Truly such a thing is in Allah's sight an enormity.
http://scholaris.com...

--> Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) was allowed to have more than four wives , because it would have been very unfair for the wives of Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) to be divorced and not allowed to remarry

--> In case you are wondering, Muhammad's (peace and blessings be upon him) wives were not allowed to marry because imagine the corruption and fighting that would occur over people wanting to marry the prophet Muhammad's (peace and blessings be upon him) ex-wives

Consider this verse that revealed in the Quran:

==Surah Bani Isra'il Chapter 17 verse 79==
"And during a part of the night, pray Tahajjud beyond what is incumbent on you; maybe your Lord will raise you to a position of great glory."
http://scholaris.com...

Ibn Abbas says in his commentary of this verse:
"(And some part of the night awake for it) to recite the Qur'an and to pray after sleeping a little, (a largess for thee) a merit for you; it is also said that this means: you alone are enjoined to do so. (It may be) and the expression 'may be' when used in connection with Allah means: it is a requisite (that thy Lord will raise thee to a praised estate) the station of intercession whereof you will be praised by the people of old and the people of new."
http://www.altafsir.com...

Only Muhammad was commanded to (peace and blessings be upon him) pray late in the night to Allah. If Islam was something made up and forged by Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) to give himself benefits and privleges why would he make only himself stay up late in the night in prayer, losing sleep, and hurting his feet from standing up so long?? Clearly Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) was a sincere man who truly sought to spread the glorious message of Islam.
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6/1/2012 4:25:33 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/1/2012 2:49:47 PM, Ahmed.M wrote:
== Surah Al Ahzab Chapter 33 verse 53==
O ye who believe! Enter not the Prophet's houses,- until leave is given you,- for a meal, (and then) not (so early as) to wait for its preparation: but when ye are invited, enter; and when ye have taken your meal, disperse, without seeking familiar talk. Such (behaviour) annoys the Prophet: he is ashamed to dismiss you, but Allah is not ashamed (to tell you) the truth. And when ye ask (his ladies) for anything ye want, ask them from before a screen: that makes for greater purity for your hearts and for theirs. Nor is it right for you that ye should annoy Allah's Messenger, or that ye should marry his widows after him at any time. Truly such a thing is in Allah's sight an enormity.
http://scholaris.com...

--> Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) was allowed to have more than four wives , because it would have been very unfair for the wives of Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) to be divorced and not allowed to remarry

--> In case you are wondering, Muhammad's (peace and blessings be upon him) wives were not allowed to marry because imagine the corruption and fighting that would occur over people wanting to marry the prophet Muhammad's (peace and blessings be upon him) ex-wives

Consider this verse that revealed in the Quran:

==Surah Bani Isra'il Chapter 17 verse 79==
"And during a part of the night, pray Tahajjud beyond what is incumbent on you; maybe your Lord will raise you to a position of great glory."
http://scholaris.com...

Ibn Abbas says in his commentary of this verse:
"(And some part of the night awake for it) to recite the Qur'an and to pray after sleeping a little, (a largess for thee) a merit for you; it is also said that this means: you alone are enjoined to do so. (It may be) and the expression 'may be' when used in connection with Allah means: it is a requisite (that thy Lord will raise thee to a praised estate) the station of intercession whereof you will be praised by the people of old and the people of new."
http://www.altafsir.com...

Only Muhammad was commanded to (peace and blessings be upon him) pray late in the night to Allah. If Islam was something made up and forged by Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) to give himself benefits and privleges why would he make only himself stay up late in the night in prayer, losing sleep, and hurting his feet from standing up so long?? Clearly Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) was a sincere man who truly sought to spread the glorious message of Islam.

Or he was batsh*t bonkers. People that claim they can talk to deities generally are.
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6/1/2012 4:29:47 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/1/2012 4:25:33 PM, Veridas wrote:
At 6/1/2012 2:49:47 PM, Ahmed.M wrote:
== Surah Al Ahzab Chapter 33 verse 53==
O ye who believe! Enter not the Prophet's houses,- until leave is given you,- for a meal, (and then) not (so early as) to wait for its preparation: but when ye are invited, enter; and when ye have taken your meal, disperse, without seeking familiar talk. Such (behaviour) annoys the Prophet: he is ashamed to dismiss you, but Allah is not ashamed (to tell you) the truth. And when ye ask (his ladies) for anything ye want, ask them from before a screen: that makes for greater purity for your hearts and for theirs. Nor is it right for you that ye should annoy Allah's Messenger, or that ye should marry his widows after him at any time. Truly such a thing is in Allah's sight an enormity.
http://scholaris.com...

--> Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) was allowed to have more than four wives , because it would have been very unfair for the wives of Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) to be divorced and not allowed to remarry

--> In case you are wondering, Muhammad's (peace and blessings be upon him) wives were not allowed to marry because imagine the corruption and fighting that would occur over people wanting to marry the prophet Muhammad's (peace and blessings be upon him) ex-wives

Consider this verse that revealed in the Quran:

==Surah Bani Isra'il Chapter 17 verse 79==
"And during a part of the night, pray Tahajjud beyond what is incumbent on you; maybe your Lord will raise you to a position of great glory."
http://scholaris.com...

Ibn Abbas says in his commentary of this verse:
"(And some part of the night awake for it) to recite the Qur'an and to pray after sleeping a little, (a largess for thee) a merit for you; it is also said that this means: you alone are enjoined to do so. (It may be) and the expression 'may be' when used in connection with Allah means: it is a requisite (that thy Lord will raise thee to a praised estate) the station of intercession whereof you will be praised by the people of old and the people of new."
http://www.altafsir.com...

Only Muhammad was commanded to (peace and blessings be upon him) pray late in the night to Allah. If Islam was something made up and forged by Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) to give himself benefits and privleges why would he make only himself stay up late in the night in prayer, losing sleep, and hurting his feet from standing up so long?? Clearly Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) was a sincere man who truly sought to spread the glorious message of Islam.


Or he was batsh*t bonkers. People that claim they can talk to deities generally are.

Deity=/=Allah
Deity=One of the polythestic gods.

Deities only apply to polythestic religions.
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6/1/2012 4:32:34 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/1/2012 12:20:02 PM, Microsuck wrote:
At 6/1/2012 12:16:00 PM, Clash wrote:
The case of the matter is that this rule was only meant as for now. Thus, those who had more than four wives before this rule (as prophet Muhammed), didn't need to divorce some of their women so it can only be four or less again.

Oh, also didn't Muhammad force people do divorice those that had more than 4 wives?


Narrated Al-Harith ibn Qays al-Asadi
I embraced Islam while I had eight wives. So I mentioned it to the Prophet (peace be upon him). The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: Select four of them. (Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 12, Number 2233)

The key word there is "embraced". He came to Islam after the four wives revelation, as opposed to Muhammad and the others. who were around before the revelation
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6/1/2012 5:14:32 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/1/2012 4:29:47 PM, Ron-Paul wrote:
At 6/1/2012 4:25:33 PM, Veridas wrote:
At 6/1/2012 2:49:47 PM, Ahmed.M wrote:
== Surah Al Ahzab Chapter 33 verse 53==
O ye who believe! Enter not the Prophet's houses,- until leave is given you,- for a meal, (and then) not (so early as) to wait for its preparation: but when ye are invited, enter; and when ye have taken your meal, disperse, without seeking familiar talk. Such (behaviour) annoys the Prophet: he is ashamed to dismiss you, but Allah is not ashamed (to tell you) the truth. And when ye ask (his ladies) for anything ye want, ask them from before a screen: that makes for greater purity for your hearts and for theirs. Nor is it right for you that ye should annoy Allah's Messenger, or that ye should marry his widows after him at any time. Truly such a thing is in Allah's sight an enormity.
http://scholaris.com...

--> Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) was allowed to have more than four wives , because it would have been very unfair for the wives of Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) to be divorced and not allowed to remarry

--> In case you are wondering, Muhammad's (peace and blessings be upon him) wives were not allowed to marry because imagine the corruption and fighting that would occur over people wanting to marry the prophet Muhammad's (peace and blessings be upon him) ex-wives

Consider this verse that revealed in the Quran:

==Surah Bani Isra'il Chapter 17 verse 79==
"And during a part of the night, pray Tahajjud beyond what is incumbent on you; maybe your Lord will raise you to a position of great glory."
http://scholaris.com...

Ibn Abbas says in his commentary of this verse:
"(And some part of the night awake for it) to recite the Qur'an and to pray after sleeping a little, (a largess for thee) a merit for you; it is also said that this means: you alone are enjoined to do so. (It may be) and the expression 'may be' when used in connection with Allah means: it is a requisite (that thy Lord will raise thee to a praised estate) the station of intercession whereof you will be praised by the people of old and the people of new."
http://www.altafsir.com...

Only Muhammad was commanded to (peace and blessings be upon him) pray late in the night to Allah. If Islam was something made up and forged by Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) to give himself benefits and privleges why would he make only himself stay up late in the night in prayer, losing sleep, and hurting his feet from standing up so long?? Clearly Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) was a sincere man who truly sought to spread the glorious message of Islam.


Or he was batsh*t bonkers. People that claim they can talk to deities generally are.

Deity=/=Allah
Deity=One of the polythestic gods.

Deities only apply to polythestic religions.

http://dictionary.reference.com...
de·i·ty [dee-i-tee]
noun, plural de·i·ties.
1.
a god or goddess.
2.
divine character or nature, especially that of the Supreme Being; divinity.
3.
the estate or rank of a god: The king attained deity after his death.
4.
a person or thing revered as a god or goddess: a society in which money is the only deity.
5.
the Deity, God; Supreme Being.

Die.
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6/1/2012 5:25:17 PM
Posted: 4 years ago

http://dictionary.reference.com...
de·i·ty [dee-i-tee]
noun, plural de·i·ties.
1.
a god or goddess.
2.
divine character or nature, especially that of the Supreme Being; divinity.
3.
the estate or rank of a god: The king attained deity after his death.
4.
a person or thing revered as a god or goddess: a society in which money is the only deity.
5.
the Deity, God; Supreme Being.

Die.

I think we all knew the difintion before you posted it. You made no point and continue to look uninformed.
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6/1/2012 7:28:59 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
==Sahih Muslim Book 9 Hadith 3507==
Umar ibn Al-Khattab said:
"…...I visited Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him), and he was lying on a mat. I sat down and he drew up his lower garment over him and he had nothing (else) over him, and that the mat had left its marks on his sides. I looked with my eyes in the store room of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him). I found only a handful of barley equal to one sa' and an equal quantity of the leaves of Mimosa Flava placed in the nook of the cell, and a semi-tanned leather bag hanging (in one side), and I was moved to tears (on seeing this extremely austere living of the Holy Piophet), and he said: Ibn Khattab, what wakes you weep?
I said: Apostle of Allah, why should I not shed tears? This mat has left its marks on your sides and I do not see in your store room (except these few things) that I have seen; Ceasar and Closroes are leading their lives in plenty whereas you are Allah's Messenger. His chosen one, and that is your store! He said: Ibn Khattab, aren't you satisfied that for us (there should be the prosperity) of the Hereafter, and for them (there should be the prosperity of) this world?....."
http://www.quranexplorer.com...
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6/1/2012 8:02:54 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/1/2012 11:01:27 AM, Microsuck wrote:
The Qur'an states that you shall marry only up to four women: "If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with orphans, marry women of your choice, two, or three, or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or that which your right hands possess..." (4:3).

If the Qur'an is eternal, having been written on the table in heaven, then the four wife limit was an eternal decree.

Question: Why did Muhammad have 12 wives if the Qur'an says to have only four? Khadija, sawda, Aesah (8 years old), Omm Salama, Hafsa, Zaynab (originally the wife of Muhammad's adopted son), Jowayriya, Omm Habiba, Safiya, Maymuna, Fatima, Hend, Asma (of Saba), Zaynab, Habla, Asma?
No point discussing. You won't listen to the arguments anyway. You want to create a thread where everyone bashes our Prophet. You admit you know virtually nothing about Islam and then you come here concluding instead of asking.

Standard DDO members. Think they're outsmarting everyone.
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6/1/2012 8:05:42 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/1/2012 8:02:54 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 6/1/2012 11:01:27 AM, Microsuck wrote:
The Qur'an states that you shall marry only up to four women: "If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with orphans, marry women of your choice, two, or three, or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or that which your right hands possess..." (4:3).

If the Qur'an is eternal, having been written on the table in heaven, then the four wife limit was an eternal decree.

Question: Why did Muhammad have 12 wives if the Qur'an says to have only four? Khadija, sawda, Aesah (8 years old), Omm Salama, Hafsa, Zaynab (originally the wife of Muhammad's adopted son), Jowayriya, Omm Habiba, Safiya, Maymuna, Fatima, Hend, Asma (of Saba), Zaynab, Habla, Asma?
No point discussing. You won't listen to the arguments anyway. You want to create a thread where everyone bashes our Prophet. You admit you know virtually nothing about Islam and then you come here concluding instead of asking.

Standard DDO members. Think they're outsmarting everyone.

I contemplated adding that quote to my sig. Very well said (no sarcasm).
Sapere Aude!
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6/1/2012 8:08:07 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/1/2012 8:02:54 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 6/1/2012 11:01:27 AM, Microsuck wrote:
The Qur'an states that you shall marry only up to four women: "If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with orphans, marry women of your choice, two, or three, or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or that which your right hands possess..." (4:3).

If the Qur'an is eternal, having been written on the table in heaven, then the four wife limit was an eternal decree.

Question: Why did Muhammad have 12 wives if the Qur'an says to have only four? Khadija, sawda, Aesah (8 years old), Omm Salama, Hafsa, Zaynab (originally the wife of Muhammad's adopted son), Jowayriya, Omm Habiba, Safiya, Maymuna, Fatima, Hend, Asma (of Saba), Zaynab, Habla, Asma?
No point discussing. You won't listen to the arguments anyway. You want to create a thread where everyone bashes our Prophet. You admit you know virtually nothing about Islam and then you come here concluding instead of asking.

Standard DDO members. Think they're outsmarting everyone.

Im interested in getting a Quran and Bible morality or virtue debate.
Give me a week and think on it.
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6/1/2012 8:12:25 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/1/2012 8:08:07 PM, ScottyDouglas wrote:
Im interested in getting a Quran and Bible morality or virtue debate.
Give me a week and think on it.
I'll be on a break for a good while, so no debates for me. (I'd ask you for 1 hour per round debate now, but you probably won't like all other members - who brag about their debating skillz all the time, which confuses me...)
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6/2/2012 5:00:19 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/1/2012 5:25:17 PM, ScottyDouglas wrote:

http://dictionary.reference.com...
de·i·ty [dee-i-tee]
noun, plural de·i·ties.
1.
a god or goddess.
2.
divine character or nature, especially that of the Supreme Being; divinity.
3.
the estate or rank of a god: The king attained deity after his death.
4.
a person or thing revered as a god or goddess: a society in which money is the only deity.
5.
the Deity, God; Supreme Being.

Die.

I think we all knew the difintion before you posted it. You made no point and continue to look uninformed.

Pay attention, you might learn something.
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6/2/2012 5:10:06 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/1/2012 5:14:32 PM, Veridas wrote:

http://dictionary.reference.com...
de·i·ty [dee-i-tee]
noun, plural de·i·ties.
1.
a god or goddess.
2.
divine character or nature, especially that of the Supreme Being; divinity.
3.
the estate or rank of a god: The king attained deity after his death.
4.
a person or thing revered as a god or goddess: a society in which money is the only deity.
5.
the Deity, God; Supreme Being.

Die.

WOW! What is wrong with you? Is that really necessary?
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6/2/2012 6:27:23 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/2/2012 5:10:06 AM, Agent_Orange wrote:
At 6/1/2012 5:14:32 PM, Veridas wrote:

http://dictionary.reference.com...
de·i·ty [dee-i-tee]
noun, plural de·i·ties.
1.
a god or goddess.
2.
divine character or nature, especially that of the Supreme Being; divinity.
3.
the estate or rank of a god: The king attained deity after his death.
4.
a person or thing revered as a god or goddess: a society in which money is the only deity.
5.
the Deity, God; Supreme Being.

Die.

WOW! What is wrong with you? Is that really necessary?

+1000 for wit
'When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth; for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.' - John 16:13
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6/2/2012 4:35:43 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/1/2012 5:14:32 PM, Veridas wrote:
At 6/1/2012 4:29:47 PM, Ron-Paul wrote:
At 6/1/2012 4:25:33 PM, Veridas wrote:
At 6/1/2012 2:49:47 PM, Ahmed.M wrote:
== Surah Al Ahzab Chapter 33 verse 53==
O ye who believe! Enter not the Prophet's houses,- until leave is given you,- for a meal, (and then) not (so early as) to wait for its preparation: but when ye are invited, enter; and when ye have taken your meal, disperse, without seeking familiar talk. Such (behaviour) annoys the Prophet: he is ashamed to dismiss you, but Allah is not ashamed (to tell you) the truth. And when ye ask (his ladies) for anything ye want, ask them from before a screen: that makes for greater purity for your hearts and for theirs. Nor is it right for you that ye should annoy Allah's Messenger, or that ye should marry his widows after him at any time. Truly such a thing is in Allah's sight an enormity.
http://scholaris.com...

--> Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) was allowed to have more than four wives , because it would have been very unfair for the wives of Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) to be divorced and not allowed to remarry

--> In case you are wondering, Muhammad's (peace and blessings be upon him) wives were not allowed to marry because imagine the corruption and fighting that would occur over people wanting to marry the prophet Muhammad's (peace and blessings be upon him) ex-wives

Consider this verse that revealed in the Quran:

==Surah Bani Isra'il Chapter 17 verse 79==
"And during a part of the night, pray Tahajjud beyond what is incumbent on you; maybe your Lord will raise you to a position of great glory."
http://scholaris.com...

Ibn Abbas says in his commentary of this verse:
"(And some part of the night awake for it) to recite the Qur'an and to pray after sleeping a little, (a largess for thee) a merit for you; it is also said that this means: you alone are enjoined to do so. (It may be) and the expression 'may be' when used in connection with Allah means: it is a requisite (that thy Lord will raise thee to a praised estate) the station of intercession whereof you will be praised by the people of old and the people of new."
http://www.altafsir.com...

Only Muhammad was commanded to (peace and blessings be upon him) pray late in the night to Allah. If Islam was something made up and forged by Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) to give himself benefits and privleges why would he make only himself stay up late in the night in prayer, losing sleep, and hurting his feet from standing up so long?? Clearly Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) was a sincere man who truly sought to spread the glorious message of Islam.


Or he was batsh*t bonkers. People that claim they can talk to deities generally are.

Deity=/=Allah
Deity=One of the polythestic gods.

Deities only apply to polythestic religions.

http://dictionary.reference.com...
de·i·ty [dee-i-tee]
noun, plural de·i·ties.
1.
a god or goddess.
2.
divine character or nature, especially that of the Supreme Being; divinity.
3.
the estate or rank of a god: The king attained deity after his death.
4.
a person or thing revered as a god or goddess: a society in which money is the only deity.
5.
the Deity, God; Supreme Being.

Die.

http://en.wikipedia.org...

"They are...commonly assumed to have personalities and to possess consciousness, intellects, desires, and emotions similar to those of humans." Not God. God does not have desires.

"In some cases, especially the monotheistic Abrahamic god or the supreme deity of henotheistic religions, the divine is not thought of by many believers in the same terms as deities - as a powerful, anthropomorphic supernatural being - but rather becomes esoteric, and ineffable - the Ultimate, the Absolute Infinite, the Transcendent, the One, the All, Existence, becoming or Being itself, the ground of being, the nondualistic, etc.

In this view, God (Allah, Brahman, Elohim, Jesus Christ, Waheguru, etc.) is not a deity, and the anthropomorphic myths and iconography associated with him are regarded as symbolism, allowing worshippers to speak and think about something which otherwise would be beyond human comprehension." And...

Is die really necessary?
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6/4/2012 5:31:45 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/2/2012 5:10:06 AM, Agent_Orange wrote:
At 6/1/2012 5:14:32 PM, Veridas wrote:

http://dictionary.reference.com...
de·i·ty [dee-i-tee]
noun, plural de·i·ties.
1.
a god or goddess.
2.
divine character or nature, especially that of the Supreme Being; divinity.
3.
the estate or rank of a god: The king attained deity after his death.
4.
a person or thing revered as a god or goddess: a society in which money is the only deity.
5.
the Deity, God; Supreme Being.

Die.

WOW! What is wrong with you? Is that really necessary?

You must be new. Or stupid.

I -could- go into a tirade about how a dictionary definition that directly contradicts his entire retardedly simplistic non-agument is the precise opposite of his claim that I have shown nor proven nor provided anything new.

Or I could condemn him to the inevitable regardless of any interaction between us.

Honestly? He's not worth the effort of the former, and you sunshine are a little too quick to defend the blatantly intellectually dilapidated.

At 6/2/2012 4:35:43 PM, Ron-Paul wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org...

"They are...commonly assumed to have personalities and to possess consciousness, intellects, desires, and emotions similar to those of humans." Not God. God does not have desires.

"In some cases, especially the monotheistic Abrahamic god or the supreme deity of henotheistic religions, the divine is not thought of by many believers in the same terms as deities - as a powerful, anthropomorphic supernatural being - but rather becomes esoteric, and ineffable - the Ultimate, the Absolute Infinite, the Transcendent, the One, the All, Existence, becoming or Being itself, the ground of being, the nondualistic, etc.

In this view, God (Allah, Brahman, Elohim, Jesus Christ, Waheguru, etc.) is not a deity, and the anthropomorphic myths and iconography associated with him are regarded as symbolism, allowing worshippers to speak and think about something which otherwise would be beyond human comprehension." And...

Is die really necessary?

Finally, a counterpoint. I would argue that given that Allah in particular was the god of the moon before Mohammed showed up and stabbed/raped his way to power, that this classifies Allah as a deity when speaking at the very least of historic Islam. In addition, given that the Abrahamic Gods (I won't refer to them as deities for this argument purely for arguments' sake) clearly do have desires, especially in reference to humanity and the way it conducts itself, that the wikipedia article holds a flawed interpretation of what God is according to Abrahamic religious text.

Failing that, though, deity comes from the latin dea and deus. Meaning Goddess and God respectively. So any God or Goddess of any kind can be considered deity through linguistic rather than theistic accuracy. The road less travelled and all that.
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