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ScottyDouglas
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6/2/2012 7:44:35 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Virgin Mary:

And if in fact we can give proof of God then we ultimately give proof of Mary. What is proof?
Proof is: evidence sufficient to establish a thing as true, or to produce belief in its truth.

With this deffintion I will prove Mary and Jesus. What is evidence?

Evidence is: something that makes plain or clear; an indication or sign: In Law. data presented to a court or jury in proof of the facts in issue and which may include the testimony of witnesses-heresay, records, documents, or objects. http://dictionary.reference.com......

Law Evidence:

The law of evidence encompasses the rules and legal principles that govern the proof of facts in a legal proceeding. These rules determine what evidence can be considered by the trier of fact in reaching its decision. The law of evidence is also concerned with quantum, quality, and type of proof needed to prevail. The quantum of evidence is the amount of evidence needed; the quality of proof is how realiable such proof is to be considered. This includes such concepts as hearsay and eyewitness. http://en.wikipedia.org......(law)

Hearsay is an out of court statement, made in court, to prove the truth of the matter asserted. In other words, hearsay is evidence of a statement that was made other than by a witness while testifying at the hearing in question and that is offered to prove the truth of the matter stated. The definition of hearsay is not too difficult to understand. There are many exceptions in the federal rules that do not require proof that the person who made the statement is unavailable. http://criminal.findlaw.com...... These are:

1. Certain public records and reports.
2. Evidence of a judgment of conviction for certain purposes.
3. Excited utterances or spontaneous statements.
4. Family records concerning family history. Judgments of a court concerning personal history, family history, general history, or boundaries, where those matters were essential to the judgment.
5. Reputation concerning boundaries or general history. Reputation concerning family history. Reputation of a person's character.
6. Past recollections recorded.

The criminal justice relies heavily on eyewitnesses to determine the facts surrounding criminal events. Eyewitnesses can identify culprits, recall conversations, or remember details. A eyewitness can be a powerful form of evidence for any juror if the witness appears to be highly confident and about thier recollection and this is usually accepted by jurors, judges, and lawyers. http://www.psychology.iastate.edu......[1].pdf

Proof:

By the terms supplied above I will offer proof with evidence. The evidence provided fulfills all requirements of proof by the court of law.

1. http://en.wikipedia.org......(mother_of_Jesus)
2. The Bible itself (including all apostles and people of that time.)
3. Billions upon billions of believers and followers of all ages.
4. Verified family history. http://home.inreach.com...... http://en.wikipedia.org......
5. Fulfillment of the life of the Messiah by Jesus. This gives evidence to Mary.
6. The status of saint Mary gives credance to her reputation.
7. Evidence of Roman documentation of Jesus's conviction and crucifiction. http://law2.umkc.edu......
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ApostateAbe
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6/4/2012 12:37:49 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
All of your links are concatenated, which is a bummer. Looks like you put a lot of time into it.

There are two distinct claims at play, and they are not interchangeable.

1) Jesus and Mary existed.
2) Jesus and Mary were divine figures.

Claim #1 is non-controversial (expect among the fringe), as it is a plausible inference of early Christian writings. Claim #2 is controversial, as it is an extraordinary claim, and it is not a plausible inference. Even if all of our earliest sources make the claim, that does not make it much more probable, as the claims can be far more plausibly explained as following from the authors' membership to a cult. Those who belong to a cult tend to believe the most extraordinary claims about their leader, regardless of truth. If it exalts the leader, then they will believe it.
ScottyDouglas
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6/4/2012 6:41:41 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/4/2012 12:38:54 AM, ApostateAbe wrote:
Said "concatenated," meant "truncated."

Easy read in all my references.
I simply took a criminal law approach.
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