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Reason_Alliance
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6/2/2012 12:16:40 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I'd like to hear the DDO community respond with what seems most obvious to them to be their ultimate purpose in life: either from a theist or non-theist view.
AlwaysMoreThanYou
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6/2/2012 12:17:12 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/2/2012 12:16:40 PM, Reason_Alliance wrote:
I'd like to hear the DDO community respond with what seems most obvious to them to be their ultimate purpose in life: either from a theist or non-theist view.

To glorify God.
'When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth; for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.' - John 16:13
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6/2/2012 1:02:28 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/2/2012 12:16:40 PM, Reason_Alliance wrote:
I'd like to hear the DDO community respond with what seems most obvious to them to be their ultimate purpose in life: either from a theist or non-theist view.

To learn the nature of God and to partake of the nature of God.

2 Peter Chapter 1:
3 For His divine power has bestowed upon us all things that [are requisite and suited] to life and godliness, through the [[d]full, personal] knowledge of Him Who called us by and to His own glory and excellence (virtue).
4 By means of these He has bestowed on us His precious and exceedingly great promises, so that through them you may escape [by flight] from the moral decay (rottenness and corruption) that is in the world because of covetousness (lust and greed), and become sharers (partakers) of the divine nature.
5 For this very reason, [e]adding your diligence [to the divine promises], employ every effort in [f]exercising your faith to develop virtue (excellence, resolution, Christian energy), and in [exercising] virtue [develop] knowledge (intelligence),
twocupcakes
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6/2/2012 1:03:39 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
"Try and be nice to people, avoid eating fat, read a good book every now and then, get some walking in, and try to live together in peace and harmony with people of all creeds and nations." - Monty Python

This is one view of the meaning of life
Reason_Alliance
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6/2/2012 1:11:07 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/2/2012 1:03:39 PM, twocupcakes wrote:
"Try and be nice to people, avoid eating fat, read a good book every now and then, get some walking in, and try to live together in peace and harmony with people of all creeds and nations." - Monty Python

This is one view of the meaning of life

Haha, I like it for a subjectivist.
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6/2/2012 1:12:44 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/2/2012 1:10:01 PM, Reason_Alliance wrote:
At 6/2/2012 12:52:34 PM, drafterman wrote:
Nothing.

Then life's absurd on your view?

Yes. The only meaning is that which we create.
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6/2/2012 1:14:41 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/2/2012 1:12:44 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 6/2/2012 1:10:01 PM, Reason_Alliance wrote:
At 6/2/2012 12:52:34 PM, drafterman wrote:
Nothing.

Then life's absurd on your view?

Yes. The only meaning is that which we create.

Just curious - do you think it's wrong if someone decides that their purpose of their life is rape, murder, pillage and steal as much and as frequently as possible?
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6/2/2012 1:18:38 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/2/2012 1:14:41 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 6/2/2012 1:12:44 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 6/2/2012 1:10:01 PM, Reason_Alliance wrote:
At 6/2/2012 12:52:34 PM, drafterman wrote:
Nothing.

Then life's absurd on your view?

Yes. The only meaning is that which we create.

Just curious - do you think it's wrong if someone decides that their purpose of their life is rape, murder, pillage and steal as much and as frequently as possible?

Yes.
Reason_Alliance
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6/2/2012 1:21:35 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/2/2012 1:02:28 PM, Gileandos wrote:
At 6/2/2012 12:16:40 PM, Reason_Alliance wrote:
I'd like to hear the DDO community respond with what seems most obvious to them to be their ultimate purpose in life: either from a theist or non-theist view.

To learn the nature of God and to partake of the nature of God.

2 Peter Chapter 1:
3 For His divine power has bestowed upon us all things that [are requisite and suited] to life and godliness, through the [[d]full, personal] knowledge of Him Who called us by and to His own glory and excellence (virtue).
4 By means of these He has bestowed on us His precious and exceedingly great promises, so that through them you may escape [by flight] from the moral decay (rottenness and corruption) that is in the world because of covetousness (lust and greed), and become sharers (partakers) of the divine nature.
5 For this very reason, [e]adding your diligence [to the divine promises], employ every effort in [f]exercising your faith to develop virtue (excellence, resolution, Christian energy), and in [exercising] virtue [develop] knowledge (intelligence),

This is good from a theists perspective, let's refine the definition:

If learning the nature of God requires knowledge of Him, and partaking in the nature of God requires acquaintance with him, then shall we say the rough purpose of life is the knowledge of God by acquaintance?

And since God is in all respects considered a Quality Existence or Qualitatively Infinite Existence, then when we say the knowledge of God by acquaintance, we're really saying the experience of a Qualitatively Infinite Reality.

If you're with me thus far, it seems to me just logical that it would take a potential infinity to experience such a reality, thus immortality is also requisite for an ultimate purpose.

Henceforth let's call "the eternal experience of a Qualitatively Infinite Reality" [p].

From p it would seem complete or perfect happiness stems as a byproduct by virtue of experiencing All Quality for All Time. Let's call perfect happiness henceforth [H].

So on this current thread shall we theists agree that the ultimate purpose of life on theism is pH?
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6/2/2012 1:22:14 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
There is no "ultimate" purpose. We just try to survive, reproduce, and cooperate with each other the best we can until the lights go out.
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6/2/2012 1:22:58 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/2/2012 1:18:38 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 6/2/2012 1:14:41 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 6/2/2012 1:12:44 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 6/2/2012 1:10:01 PM, Reason_Alliance wrote:
At 6/2/2012 12:52:34 PM, drafterman wrote:
Nothing.

Then life's absurd on your view?

Yes. The only meaning is that which we create.

Just curious - do you think it's wrong if someone decides that their purpose of their life is rape, murder, pillage and steal as much and as frequently as possible?

Yes.

Well at least if this is true the Problem of Evil is explained.
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6/2/2012 1:23:19 PM
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Just curious - do you think it's wrong if someone decides that their purpose of their life is rape, murder, pillage and steal as much and as frequently as possible?

()()It is wrong. That is not a question?
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Reason_Alliance
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6/2/2012 1:24:07 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/2/2012 1:22:14 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
There is no "ultimate" purpose. We just try to survive, reproduce, and cooperate with each other the best we can until the lights go out.

Say if you're willing to grant an ultimate telos.
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6/2/2012 2:15:09 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/2/2012 1:18:38 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 6/2/2012 1:14:41 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 6/2/2012 1:12:44 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 6/2/2012 1:10:01 PM, Reason_Alliance wrote:
At 6/2/2012 12:52:34 PM, drafterman wrote:
Nothing.

Then life's absurd on your view?

Yes. The only meaning is that which we create.

Just curious - do you think it's wrong if someone decides that their purpose of their life is rape, murder, pillage and steal as much and as frequently as possible?

Yes.

Do you think this "wrongness" is something that transcends you? Do you think it is a fact of matter - regardless of humans' preferences, opinions, and what not - that this is a wrong purpose to choose for oneself? Or is this something that is local to you?
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6/2/2012 2:15:58 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/2/2012 1:24:07 PM, Reason_Alliance wrote:
At 6/2/2012 1:22:14 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
There is no "ultimate" purpose. We just try to survive, reproduce, and cooperate with each other the best we can until the lights go out.

Say if you're willing to grant an ultimate telos.

Mmm Well maybe humans are nature's way of becoming conscious and self aware of itself, and our function is to learn about the world and the cosmos because without us, the universe would continue be in the dark about itself and it's productions (like a blind-watchmaker).

However, I think it's more likely that we do not have an ultimate "purpose" (it's just really nice to think so.).
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6/2/2012 2:19:58 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
In my opinion, praying and serving God is the ultimate purpose in life. Indeed, if God exist then that's the most logical thing to believe, because what other reasons, if not that we should pray and serve God, did God put us in this world for? I believe that God exist, therefore I believe that praying and serving God is the ultimate purpose in life.
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6/2/2012 4:25:20 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/2/2012 12:16:40 PM, Reason_Alliance wrote:
I'd like to hear the DDO community respond with what seems most obvious to them to be their ultimate purpose in life: either from a theist or non-theist view.

Maximizing happiness.
: At 5/2/2010 2:43:54 PM, innomen wrote:
It isn't about finding a theory, philosophy or doctrine and thinking it's the answer, but a practical application of one's experiences that is the answer.

: At 10/28/2010 2:40:07 PM, jharry wrote: I have already been given the greatest Gift that anyone could ever hope for [Life], I would consider myself selfish if I expected anything more.
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6/2/2012 4:39:55 PM
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At 6/2/2012 12:16:40 PM, Reason_Alliance wrote:
I'd like to hear the DDO community respond with what seems most obvious to them to be their ultimate purpose in life: either from a theist or non-theist view.

Life has no purpose. I am lower than the lowest of the low.
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6/2/2012 5:17:45 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/2/2012 4:39:55 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/2/2012 12:16:40 PM, Reason_Alliance wrote:
I'd like to hear the DDO community respond with what seems most obvious to them to be their ultimate purpose in life: either from a theist or non-theist view.

Life has no purpose. I am lower than the lowest of the low.

Have joy and return to my Father in Heaven!
Today we begin in earnest the work of making sure that the world we leave our children is just a little bit better than the one we inhabit today. - President Obama
Reason_Alliance
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6/2/2012 6:05:25 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/2/2012 4:25:20 PM, Kleptin wrote:
At 6/2/2012 12:16:40 PM, Reason_Alliance wrote:
I'd like to hear the DDO community respond with what seems most obvious to them to be their ultimate purpose in life: either from a theist or non-theist view.

Maximizing happiness.

I'd agree n such.
royalpaladin
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6/2/2012 6:06:49 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
"Maximizing happiness" is the Aristotelian view. I would either argue that it has no purpose, but if we presume that it does, I would accept Plato's idea of aspiring to be just and good.
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6/2/2012 6:20:32 PM
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Reproduction. That's all there is to it!
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"Some will sell their dreams for small desires
Or lose the race to rats
Get caught in ticking traps
And start to dream of somewhere
To relax their restless flight
Somewhere out of a memory of lighted streets on quiet nights..."

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Ren
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6/2/2012 6:23:22 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/2/2012 12:16:40 PM, Reason_Alliance wrote:
I'd like to hear the DDO community respond with what seems most obvious to them to be their ultimate purpose in life: either from a theist or non-theist view.

The purpose of life is to live.

I mean... life is just full of pleasure without much intent. Individualistic purpose is largely fallacious.

If humans were to cooperatively pursue just living, we'd all be much happier. We're way too self-important. It's like, we realize how smart we are, so we go "just think of the possibilities!" with no clear intention or trajectory.

We need focus.
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6/2/2012 7:08:07 PM
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I'm still young, but my goal in life is simply to find the truth and to enjoy my only chance at life, and hopefully be able to help others as much as possible. Can't really go wrong there I guess.
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6/2/2012 7:15:01 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/2/2012 12:16:40 PM, Reason_Alliance wrote:
I'd like to hear the DDO community respond with what seems most obvious to them to be their ultimate purpose in life: either from a theist or non-theist view.

From an atheistic viewpoint, I believe in at least progress, a concept that extends not only to the act of decision but to the furthering of a multitude--relationships, knowledge, and so forth.
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6/2/2012 8:24:41 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/2/2012 2:15:09 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 6/2/2012 1:18:38 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 6/2/2012 1:14:41 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 6/2/2012 1:12:44 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 6/2/2012 1:10:01 PM, Reason_Alliance wrote:
At 6/2/2012 12:52:34 PM, drafterman wrote:
Nothing.

Then life's absurd on your view?

Yes. The only meaning is that which we create.

Just curious - do you think it's wrong if someone decides that their purpose of their life is rape, murder, pillage and steal as much and as frequently as possible?

Yes.

Do you think this "wrongness" is something that transcends you? Do you think it is a fact of matter - regardless of humans' preferences, opinions, and what not - that this is a wrong purpose to choose for oneself? Or is this something that is local to you?

I'd say neither. It isn't independent of humans' opinions, but neither is it simply local to me. It is an expression of society, of which I am a participant. If society and humans were different, then my answer might have been different as well.
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6/2/2012 9:54:57 PM
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"Happiness is the object and design of our existence; and will be the end thereof, if we pursue the path that leads to it; and this path is virtue, uprightness, faithfulness, holiness, and keeping all the commandments of God."
― Joseph Smith Jr.
Today we begin in earnest the work of making sure that the world we leave our children is just a little bit better than the one we inhabit today. - President Obama