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Microsuck
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6/10/2012 7:19:38 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
http://suralikeit.com...

Will this do?
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Ahmed.M
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6/10/2012 9:11:46 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
>>"http://suralikeit.com......
Will this do?"


That is a failure. What was the challenge of the Quran with regards to linguistics and poetry?

==Surah Yunus Chapter 10 Verse 38==
Or do they say, "He forged it"? say: "Bring then a Sura like unto it, and call (to your aid) anyone you can besides Allah, if it be ye speak the truth!"
http://scholaris.com...

People think the challenge of the Quran is so simple but don't realize the complexity and the specific wording that the challenge actually addresses with regards to arabic poetry and rhyming. There is so much criteria to make one surah like the Quran that it is impossible to make a surah like it.

Abdur Raheem Green says in his article on the challenge of the Quran:
"These are the sixteen Al-Bihar (literally "Seas", so called because of the way the poem moves, according to its rhythmic patterns): At-Tawil, al-Bassit, al-Waafir, al-Kaamil, ar-Rajs, al-Khafeef, al-Hazaj, al-Muttakarib, al-Munsarih, al-Muktatab, al-Muktadarak, al-Madeed, al-Mujtath, al-Ramel, al-Khabab. So the challenge is to produce in Arabic, three lines, that do not fall into one of these sixteen Bihar, that is not rhyming prose, nor like the speech of soothsayers, and not normal speech, that it should contain at least a comprehensible meaning and rhetoric, i.e. not gobbledygook."
http://www.thereligionislam.com...

There are sixteen rythmic patterns in the arabic poetry and the challenge of the Quran is to make three verses which do not fall into the sixteen rythmic patterns (seas) contain meaning and not be the speech of soothsayers. This is impossible, all pre Islamic arabian poetry fell into one of these sixteen seas but not the Quran. It is in this way that the Quran is inimitable.

Also this adds to the sincerity of Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him). Why was he so confident in the Quran that he directly challenged everyone to produce something like it. If he kne it was forged wouldn't he keep more quiet.

Paul Cassanova a French professor who has studied the life of Muhammad (pbuh):
"Whenever Muhammad was asked a miracle, as a proof of the authenticity of his mission, he quoted the composition of the Qur'an and its incomparable excellence as proof of its Divine origin. And, in fact, even for those who are non-Muslims nothing is more marvellous than its language which with such a apprehensible plenitude and grasping sonority with its simple audition ravished with admiration those primitive peoples so fond of eloquence. The ampleness of its syllables with a grandiose cadence and with a remarkable rhythm have been of much moment(um) in the conversion of the most hostile and the most sceptical."
http://www.renaissance.com.pk...
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6/10/2012 9:47:30 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/10/2012 9:11:46 PM, Ahmed.M wrote:
>>"http://suralikeit.com......
Will this do?"


That is a failure. What was the challenge of the Quran with regards to linguistics and poetry?

==Surah Yunus Chapter 10 Verse 38==
Or do they say, "He forged it"? say: "Bring then a Sura like unto it, and call (to your aid) anyone you can besides Allah, if it be ye speak the truth!"
http://scholaris.com...

People think the challenge of the Quran is so simple but don't realize the complexity and the specific wording that the challenge actually addresses with regards to arabic poetry and rhyming. There is so much criteria to make one surah like the Quran that it is impossible to make a surah like it.

Abdur Raheem Green says in his article on the challenge of the Quran:
"These are the sixteen Al-Bihar (literally "Seas", so called because of the way the poem moves, according to its rhythmic patterns): At-Tawil, al-Bassit, al-Waafir, al-Kaamil, ar-Rajs, al-Khafeef, al-Hazaj, al-Muttakarib, al-Munsarih, al-Muktatab, al-Muktadarak, al-Madeed, al-Mujtath, al-Ramel, al-Khabab. So the challenge is to produce in Arabic, three lines, that do not fall into one of these sixteen Bihar, that is not rhyming prose, nor like the speech of soothsayers, and not normal speech, that it should contain at least a comprehensible meaning and rhetoric, i.e. not gobbledygook."
http://www.thereligionislam.com...

There are sixteen rythmic patterns in the arabic poetry and the challenge of the Quran is to make three verses which do not fall into the sixteen rythmic patterns (seas) contain meaning and not be the speech of soothsayers. This is impossible, all pre Islamic arabian poetry fell into one of these sixteen seas but not the Quran. It is in this way that the Quran is inimitable.

Also this adds to the sincerity of Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him). Why was he so confident in the Quran that he directly challenged everyone to produce something like it. If he kne it was forged wouldn't he keep more quiet.

Paul Cassanova a French professor who has studied the life of Muhammad (pbuh):
"Whenever Muhammad was asked a miracle, as a proof of the authenticity of his mission, he quoted the composition of the Qur'an and its incomparable excellence as proof of its Divine origin. And, in fact, even for those who are non-Muslims nothing is more marvellous than its language which with such a apprehensible plenitude and grasping sonority with its simple audition ravished with admiration those primitive peoples so fond of eloquence. The ampleness of its syllables with a grandiose cadence and with a remarkable rhythm have been of much moment(um) in the conversion of the most hostile and the most sceptical."
http://www.renaissance.com.pk...

The problem with the challenge is that it is extremely subjective. Unfortunately, I don't know a lick of Araic so I won't attempt the challenge until I learn it--IF I learn it.
Wall of Fail

Devil worship much? - SD
Newsflash: Atheists do not believe in the Devil! - Me
Newsflash: I doesnt matter if you think you do or not.....You do - SD

"you [imabench] are very naive and so i do not consider your opinions as having any merit. you must still be in highschool" - falconduler
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6/11/2012 1:45:24 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
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6/11/2012 10:31:42 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Muhammad was basically a rapping legend.
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