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There were NO protestants for 1600 years!

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6/14/2012 12:17:08 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Matthew 28:20
and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."

Jesus is ALWAYS WITH his Church!
Satan did not overpower Jesus!
Satan did not take Jesus' body from Jesus!
Jesus did not leave his BRIDE for the thousands of man made protesting bodies!

I am with you always!!!!!
The protestant must reject the words of Jesus, or there is NO protest!!

The words of Jesus>> "And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."

The protestant must reject the SCRIPTURES, or there is NO protest!!

Jesus is ALWAYS WITH the ONLY Church he started; "The Holy Catholic Church headed by Peter and Peter' linage!!"
265 Popes in an unbroken chain from today back two thousand years to Peter!
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6/14/2012 12:26:00 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/14/2012 12:17:08 PM, Dogknox wrote:
Matthew 28:20
and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."

Jesus is ALWAYS WITH his Church!
Satan did not overpower Jesus!
Satan did not take Jesus' body from Jesus!
Jesus did not leave his BRIDE for the thousands of man made protesting bodies!

I am with you always!!!!!
The protestant must reject the words of Jesus, or there is NO protest!!

The words of Jesus>> "And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."

The protestant must reject the SCRIPTURES, or there is NO protest!!

Jesus is ALWAYS WITH the ONLY Church he started; "The Holy Catholic Church headed by Peter and Peter' linage!!"
265 Popes in an unbroken chain from today back two thousand years to Peter!

That depends on how you define 'unbroken change'.
twocupcakes: 15 = 13
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6/14/2012 1:12:54 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Did you know there were no Christians for 2000 years? I miss that time. Though I don't miss TV.
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6/14/2012 1:58:42 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/14/2012 12:17:08 PM, Dogknox wrote:
Matthew 28:20
and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."

Jesus is ALWAYS WITH his Church!
Satan did not overpower Jesus!
Satan did not take Jesus' body from Jesus!
Jesus did not leave his BRIDE for the thousands of man made protesting bodies!

I am with you always!!!!!
The protestant must reject the words of Jesus, or there is NO protest!!

The words of Jesus>> "And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."

The protestant must reject the SCRIPTURES, or there is NO protest!!

Jesus is ALWAYS WITH the ONLY Church he started; "The Holy Catholic Church headed by Peter and Peter' linage!!"
265 Popes in an unbroken chain from today back two thousand years to Peter!

Two things:

1. This has little to nothing to do with Protestantism vs. Catholicism
2. What is up with everyone bolding/underlining/italicizing every fricken thing now?
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6/14/2012 2:28:11 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
For where two or three come together in my name, there am I with them.

- Matthew 18:20

The people are His church not some corrupt institute of Popes and tradition.
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6/14/2012 3:00:56 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/14/2012 12:26:00 PM, JaxsonRaine wrote:
At 6/14/2012 12:17:08 PM, Dogknox wrote:
Matthew 28:20
and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."

Jesus is ALWAYS WITH his Church!
Satan did not overpower Jesus!
Satan did not take Jesus' body from Jesus!
Jesus did not leave his BRIDE for the thousands of man made protesting bodies!

I am with you always!!!!!
The protestant must reject the words of Jesus, or there is NO protest!!

The words of Jesus>> "And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."

The protestant must reject the SCRIPTURES, or there is NO protest!!

Jesus is ALWAYS WITH the ONLY Church he started; "The Holy Catholic Church headed by Peter and Peter' linage!!"
265 Popes in an unbroken chain from today back two thousand years to Peter!

That depends on how you define 'unbroken change'.
JaxsonRaine Good to meet you..
I have to ask.. What do you mean by "Unbroken change"?!
If you mean The Linage of Popes... Simple; ONLY the Holy Catholic Church has roots that go back two thousand years (2000) to these words.. "And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."

Simply put.. Christians believe the scriptures!!
JaxsonRaine The protestant is forced to reject.. "And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age." As a LIE from the mouth of God!!!!:-)

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6/14/2012 3:16:43 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/14/2012 1:58:42 PM, stubs wrote:
At 6/14/2012 12:17:08 PM, Dogknox wrote:
Matthew 28:20
and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."

Jesus is ALWAYS WITH his Church!
Satan did not overpower Jesus!
Satan did not take Jesus' body from Jesus!
Jesus did not leave his BRIDE for the thousands of man made protesting bodies!

I am with you always!!!!!
The protestant must reject the words of Jesus, or there is NO protest!!

The words of Jesus>> "And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."

The protestant must reject the SCRIPTURES, or there is NO protest!!

Jesus is ALWAYS WITH the ONLY Church he started; "The Holy Catholic Church headed by Peter and Peter' linage!!"
265 Popes in an unbroken chain from today back two thousand years to Peter!

Two things:

1. This has little to nothing to do with Protestantism vs. Catholicism
2. What is up with everyone bolding/underlining/italicizing every fricken thing now?
stubs It is good to meet you.. I hope all is well!
You said.. This has little to nothing to do with Protestantism vs. Catholicism.
I reply: IT has to do with SCRIPTURES!!!
Christians believe the scriptures!
stubs I heard a "Televangelist" (protestant) SAY.. "If it is NOT in the bible we will not believe it, we believe only the bible and just the bible"!

I wanted to phone in and ask, "Where...
Where in the bible do you find; "Alter Call"?
Where do you find; "Scriptures ALONE"?
Where do you find; "Faith ALONE"!
Where is it found; "Can't lose salvation"!?
"Grape Juice"?
"Symbolic Communion"!?
"Symbolic Baptism"?!

Where do you find.. "Man does NOT need to listen to the Church"?

stubs Scriptures are very clear.. "Jesus is ALWAYS WITH his Church"!

stubs Thus Jesus cannot be with any man made protestant body because, he did not START with any!!!

You ask: What is up with everyone bolding/underlining/italicizing???
I reply: It empathizes important points!
Don't use it and a point can be missed! as in..
And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."

Compared to..
And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."
Dogknox ;-)
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6/14/2012 3:28:57 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/14/2012 2:28:11 PM, ConservativePolitico wrote:
For where two or three come together in my name, there am I with them.

- Matthew 18:20

The people are His church not some corrupt institute of Popes and tradition.
ConservativePolitico Good to meet you!!

I repy: "Jesus is ALWAYS with his Holy Catholic Church!!!"
The Protestant is in PROTEST against the Holy Catholic Church!!
Logic tells you: Jesus cannot be; FOR and AGAINST himself!!!!

I add "To be IN the Name Of Jesus" you must have Jesus' AUTHORITY to use his NAME!!

You the Protestant has ZERO Authority.. there were NO protestants when Jesus gave his Holy Church the AUTHORITY of God, to speak for God!!
The GREAT COMMISSION:
"All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."

Therefore GO>> Make DISCIPLES BAPTIZING in God' name with ALL Of God's AUTHORITY!!
AND
And TEACHING all nations with all of God's AUTHORITY!!!!!

ConservativePolitico THE AUTHORITY.. Has been passed on down through the ages by "The Laying on of hands"..IN Person!!

No Protestant (thats you) has authority to speak for Jesus!
No Protestant (thats you) has authority to ask for anything in Jesus' name!
ConservativePolitico No Protestant can come together IN Jesus' name, the protestant is IN PROTEST against Jesus and his BRIDE!

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6/14/2012 4:48:57 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/14/2012 3:43:04 PM, Rusty wrote:
Whoa, stubs, you weren't kidding.

Haha I know this dude is going HAM on emphasizing. People forget if you emphasize everything it doesn't have any effect. It's the equivalent of saying you are gonna highlight the important parts in a book and then highlighting the whole book. I'm sick of these poor exegesis of scripture but its so annoying to have to read all that with the bolding and such.
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6/14/2012 5:20:54 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/14/2012 12:17:08 PM, Dogknox wrote:
Matthew 28:20
and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."

Jesus is ALWAYS WITH his Church!
Satan did not overpower Jesus!
Satan did not take Jesus' body from Jesus!
Jesus did not leave his BRIDE for the thousands of man made protesting bodies!

I am with you always!!!!!
The protestant must reject the words of Jesus, or there is NO protest!!

The words of Jesus>> "And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."

The protestant must reject the SCRIPTURES, or there is NO protest!!

Jesus is ALWAYS WITH the ONLY Church he started; "The Holy Catholic Church headed by Peter and Peter' linage!!"
265 Popes in an unbroken chain from today back two thousand years to Peter!

No, there was INCREASING protest over the Churchs unbiblical heresies, culminating in Luthers thesis at Worms:

John 10:12
The hired hand is not the shepherd and does not own the sheep. So when he sees the wolf coming, he abandons the sheep and runs away. Then the wolf attacks the flock and scatters it.


When the men do not stand on Gods Word, but on the traditions of men, satan scatters the flock, hence denominations.

http://www.debate.org...
The Cross.. the Cross.
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6/15/2012 9:46:54 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/14/2012 5:20:54 PM, DATCMOTO wrote:
At 6/14/2012 12:17:08 PM, Dogknox wrote:
Matthew 28:20
and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."

Jesus is ALWAYS WITH his Church!
Satan did not overpower Jesus!
Satan did not take Jesus' body from Jesus!
Jesus did not leave his BRIDE for the thousands of man made protesting bodies!

I am with you always!!!!!
The protestant must reject the words of Jesus, or there is NO protest!!

The words of Jesus>> "And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."

The protestant must reject the SCRIPTURES, or there is NO protest!!

Jesus is ALWAYS WITH the ONLY Church he started; "The Holy Catholic Church headed by Peter and Peter' linage!!"
265 Popes in an unbroken chain from today back two thousand years to Peter!

No, there was INCREASING protest over the Churchs unbiblical heresies, culminating in Luthers thesis at Worms:

John 10:12
The hired hand is not the shepherd and does not own the sheep. So when he sees the wolf coming, he abandons the sheep and runs away. Then the wolf attacks the flock and scatters it.


When the men do not stand on Gods Word, but on the traditions of men, satan scatters the flock, hence denominations.

http://www.debate.org...
DATCMOTO
SCRIPTURES... "I am with you ALWAYS"!
You are forced to reject SCRIPTURES to say what you say!!
Jesus did not make even one protestant or protestant church!! ALL..

All protestant churches are formed by >MEN<!!
All protestant churches came alone AT LEAST 1600 years AFTER Jesus!! PROVING...

Proving Jesus is NOT, Proving Jesus can NOT be Always with any of these Man made churches because he "DID NOT START WITH ANY"!!

DATCMOTO The Church did not abandon the flock!
The Early Church Father's "Baptized Infants" the Catholic Church today STILL Baptizes INFANTS!

The Early Church Father's "ATE The Flesh of Jesus in the form of bread"! The Catholic Church today STILL "EATS The Flesh of Jesus in the form of bread"!

The Early Church Father's BAPTIZED to grow the Body Of Jesus!! The Catholic Church today STILL BAPTIZED to grow the Body Of Jesus!! She STILL Teaches " Baptism saves!!" ALL...

All the Early Church Father's are CATHOLICS!!!! NOT ONE...
Not one was a protestant!!!
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6/15/2012 9:54:25 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/15/2012 9:46:54 AM, Dogknox wrote:
DATCMOTO
SCRIPTURES... "I am with you ALWAYS"!
You are forced to reject SCRIPTURES to say what you say!!
Jesus did not make even one protestant or protestant church!! ALL..

All protestant churches are formed by >MEN<!!
All protestant churches came alone AT LEAST 1600 years AFTER Jesus!! PROVING...

Proving Jesus is NOT, Proving Jesus can NOT be Always with any of these Man made churches because he "DID NOT START WITH ANY"!!

DATCMOTO The Church did not abandon the flock!
The Early Church Father's "Baptized Infants" the Catholic Church today STILL Baptizes INFANTS!

The Early Church Father's "ATE The Flesh of Jesus in the form of bread"! The Catholic Church today STILL "EATS The Flesh of Jesus in the form of bread"!

The Early Church Father's BAPTIZED to grow the Body Of Jesus!! The Catholic Church today STILL BAPTIZED to grow the Body Of Jesus!! She STILL Teaches " Baptism saves!!" ALL...

All the Early Church Father's are CATHOLICS!!!! NOT ONE...
Not one was a protestant!!!
Bravo! Now if we could only get those pesky Mormons to quite their lunacy...
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6/15/2012 10:02:46 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/15/2012 9:46:54 AM, Dogknox wrote:
At 6/14/2012 5:20:54 PM, DATCMOTO wrote:
At 6/14/2012 12:17:08 PM, Dogknox wrote:
Matthew 28:20
and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."

Jesus is ALWAYS WITH his Church!
Satan did not overpower Jesus!
Satan did not take Jesus' body from Jesus!
Jesus did not leave his BRIDE for the thousands of man made protesting bodies!

I am with you always!!!!!
The protestant must reject the words of Jesus, or there is NO protest!!

The words of Jesus>> "And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."

The protestant must reject the SCRIPTURES, or there is NO protest!!

Jesus is ALWAYS WITH the ONLY Church he started; "The Holy Catholic Church headed by Peter and Peter' linage!!"
265 Popes in an unbroken chain from today back two thousand years to Peter!

No, there was INCREASING protest over the Churchs unbiblical heresies, culminating in Luthers thesis at Worms:

John 10:12
The hired hand is not the shepherd and does not own the sheep. So when he sees the wolf coming, he abandons the sheep and runs away. Then the wolf attacks the flock and scatters it.


When the men do not stand on Gods Word, but on the traditions of men, satan scatters the flock, hence denominations.

http://www.debate.org...
DATCMOTO
SCRIPTURES... "I am with you ALWAYS"!
You are forced to reject SCRIPTURES to say what you say!!
Jesus did not make even one protestant or protestant church!! ALL..

Jesus is with those who OBEY Him:

Matthew 28:20
and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."


All protestant churches are formed by >MEN<!!
All protestant churches came alone AT LEAST 1600 years AFTER Jesus!! PROVING...

No, they rejected HERESY and obeyed Christ.

Proving Jesus is NOT, Proving Jesus can NOT be Always with any of these Man made churches because he "DID NOT START WITH ANY"!!

DATCMOTO The Church did not abandon the flock!
The Early Church Father's "Baptized Infants" the Catholic Church today STILL Baptizes INFANTS!

NOT found in the Bible:

Mark 7:8
You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to human traditions."


The Early Church Father's "ATE The Flesh of Jesus in the form of bread"! The Catholic Church today STILL "EATS The Flesh of Jesus in the form of bread"!

NOT found in the Bible:

Mark 7:8
You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to human traditions."


The Early Church Father's BAPTIZED to grow the Body Of Jesus!! The Catholic Church today STILL BAPTIZED to grow the Body Of Jesus!! She STILL Teaches " Baptism saves!!" ALL...

Was the thief on the cross baptised?

All the Early Church Father's are CATHOLICS!!!! NOT ONE...
Not one was a protestant!!!

The Church 'Fathers' were unscriptural heretics:

Matthew 23:9
And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.


Care to debate any or all of these points?
The Cross.. the Cross.
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6/15/2012 11:15:51 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/15/2012 10:02:46 AM, DATCMOTO wrote:
At 6/15/2012 9:46:54 AM, Dogknox wrote:
At 6/14/2012 5:20:54 PM, DATCMOTO wrote:
At 6/14/2012 12:17:08 PM, Dogknox wrote:
Matthew 28:20
and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."

Jesus is ALWAYS WITH his Church!
Satan did not overpower Jesus!
Satan did not take Jesus' body from Jesus!
Jesus did not leave his BRIDE for the thousands of man made protesting bodies!

I am with you always!!!!!
The protestant must reject the words of Jesus, or there is NO protest!!

The words of Jesus>> "And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."

The protestant must reject the SCRIPTURES, or there is NO protest!!

Jesus is ALWAYS WITH the ONLY Church he started; "The Holy Catholic Church headed by Peter and Peter' linage!!"
265 Popes in an unbroken chain from today back two thousand years to Peter!

No, there was INCREASING protest over the Churchs unbiblical heresies, culminating in Luthers thesis at Worms:

John 10:12
The hired hand is not the shepherd and does not own the sheep. So when he sees the wolf coming, he abandons the sheep and runs away. Then the wolf attacks the flock and scatters it.


When the men do not stand on Gods Word, but on the traditions of men, satan scatters the flock, hence denominations.

http://www.debate.org...
DATCMOTO
SCRIPTURES... "I am with you ALWAYS"!
You are forced to reject SCRIPTURES to say what you say!!
Jesus did not make even one protestant or protestant church!! ALL..

Jesus is with those who OBEY Him:

Matthew 28:20
and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."


All protestant churches are formed by >MEN<!!
All protestant churches came alone AT LEAST 1600 years AFTER Jesus!! PROVING...

No, they rejected HERESY and obeyed Christ.

Proving Jesus is NOT, Proving Jesus can NOT be Always with any of these Man made churches because he "DID NOT START WITH ANY"!!

DATCMOTO The Church did not abandon the flock!
The Early Church Father's "Baptized Infants" the Catholic Church today STILL Baptizes INFANTS!

NOT found in the Bible:

Mark 7:8
You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to human traditions."


The Early Church Father's "ATE The Flesh of Jesus in the form of bread"! The Catholic Church today STILL "EATS The Flesh of Jesus in the form of bread"!

NOT found in the Bible:

Mark 7:8
You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to human traditions."


The Early Church Father's BAPTIZED to grow the Body Of Jesus!! The Catholic Church today STILL BAPTIZED to grow the Body Of Jesus!! She STILL Teaches " Baptism saves!!" ALL...

Was the thief on the cross baptised?

All the Early Church Father's are CATHOLICS!!!! NOT ONE...
Not one was a protestant!!!

The Church 'Fathers' were unscriptural heretics:

Matthew 23:9
And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.


Care to debate any or all of these points?

Jesus deliberately estblished a visible, institutional, universal Church, that has authority.
Please read all these verses
Matthew 5:13-15, Matthew 16:18-19, Matthew 18:15-17, Acts 20:28, Romans 7:4 1 Corintians 5:12, 1 Corinthians 10:17, 1 Corinthians 10:32, 1 Corinthians 11:22, 1 Corinthians 12:12-13, 1 Corinthians 12:28, Ephesians 1:22, Ephesians 2:19-22, Ephesians 3:10, Ephesians 3:21 Ephesians 4:1-5, Ephesians 4:12, Ephesians 5:23-24, Ephesians 5:32, Colossians 1:18, Clossians 1:24, 1 Timothy 3:5.

Please read all of them, but especially 1 Timothy 3:15, Ephesians 1:22, Ephesians 3:10, Ephesias 3:21
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6/15/2012 11:27:50 AM
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Priests ar appropiately called father.
Acts 7:2, Romans 4:12, Romans 4:16-17, Romans 9:10, Crinthians 4:15, Philippians 2:22, James :21.

In oher words, Jesus' statement "call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven" (Matt. 23:9) utilised the common Hebrew method o exaggeration or hyperbole (see Matt 19:24; 23:24; Luke 6:42; 14:26) to teach that God the Fatheris the ultimate source of all authority. Interpreting this absolutely literally prohibit all uses of the term father whatsoever; even biological fathers. But Jesus Himself uses the term father maes (Matt 15:4-6;19:5, 19,29; 21:31; Luke 6:24, 27, 30; Jon 8:56, etc) andwe see other examples above. Thus, the objection to calling Catholic priests father is discarded.
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6/15/2012 12:45:05 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
DATCMOTO wrote:
Jesus is with those who OBEY Him:

Matthew 28:20
and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."


The words of Jesus..
John 13:34
"A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another.
DATCMOTO YUP Jesus COMMANDS>> "MUST LOVE!" So much for faith ALONE saves!!!
All protestant churches are formed by >MEN<!!
All protestant churches came alone AT LEAST 1600 years AFTER Jesus!! PROVING...

No, they rejected HERESY and obeyed Christ.

Proving Jesus is NOT, Proving Jesus can NOT be Always with any of these Man made churches because he "DID NOT START WITH ANY"!!

DATCMOTO The Church did not abandon the flock!
The Early Church Father's "Baptized Infants" the Catholic Church today STILL Baptizes INFANTS!
NOT found in the Bible:
It is obvious if God does NOT want "INFANTS Baptized then the Early Church Father's would NOT baptize INFANTS!!!
It is obvious if God does NOT want "INFANTS Baptized then he would have said.."DO NOT Baptize INFANTS" in the bible!

Scriptures DO NOT say.. "The whole house hold was baptized EXCEPT INFANTS!!!!!"
Irenaeus Is NOT protestant!!
Irenaeus is CHRISTIAN!!
Christians have ALWAYS baptized INFANTS!!
He said..
"He [Jesus] came to save all through himself; all, I say, who through him are reborn in God: infants, and children, and youths, and old men. Therefore he passed through every age, becoming an infant for infants, sanctifying infants; a child for children, sanctifying those who are of that age . . . [so that] he might be the perfect teacher in all things, perfect not only in respect to the setting forth of truth, perfect also in respect to relative age" (Against Heresies 2:22:4 [A.D. 189]).

DATCMOTO Irenaeus would call you HERETIC!!

Care to debate any or all of these points?
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6/15/2012 1:07:49 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Seriously, be real. The Catholic church is not the same as Christ's church.

Christ's church was founded on prophets and apostles. Not a pope.
Christ's church didn't teach the doctrine of Trinity.
Christ's church didn't teach to pray to saints.

The Catholic church does not have an unbroken chain of Popes. The church was used as a position of power throughout its existence, full of corruption. Popes were chosen by whoever was in power at the time.
twocupcakes: 15 = 13
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6/15/2012 2:12:34 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/15/2012 1:59:39 PM, stubs wrote:
At 6/15/2012 1:07:49 PM, JaxsonRaine wrote:

Christ's church didn't teach the doctrine of Trinity.

Explain please

The trinitarian doctrine is not a biblical teaching. Rather, it is an illogical interpretation of select scriptures while ignoring others. Now it is presented as factual, like it had always been the only and correct interpretation, even though the catholic church debated over the subject for hundreds of years.
twocupcakes: 15 = 13
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6/15/2012 2:34:37 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/15/2012 2:12:34 PM, JaxsonRaine wrote:
At 6/15/2012 1:59:39 PM, stubs wrote:
At 6/15/2012 1:07:49 PM, JaxsonRaine wrote:

Christ's church didn't teach the doctrine of Trinity.

Explain please

The trinitarian doctrine is not a biblical teaching. Rather, it is an illogical interpretation of select scriptures while ignoring others. Now it is presented as factual, like it had always been the only and correct interpretation, even though the catholic church debated over the subject for hundreds of years.

Absolutely correct. The popish church only believes in "freedom of religion" when it is in the distinct minority. They'll scream "freedom of religion" in predominantly Protestant countries, but notice: in the not-to-recent past, having Protestant services in a near-total Roman Catholic country was out-lawed. I don't recall any of the Protestant churches having an Office of the Inquisition, either.

This dude says, "There were no Protestants for 1600 years." Ridiculous. Everyone and anyone who "protested" against the heresies and atrocities of the Roman Catholic church was ordered to recant, tortured, and killed - if the papists could get their hands on them.
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6/15/2012 2:43:33 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
JaxsonRaine wrote:

Christ's church didn't teach the doctrine of Trinity.
Explain please
The trinitarian doctrine is not a biblical teaching. Rather, it is an illogical interpretation of select scriptures while ignoring others. Now it is presented as factual, like it had always been the only and correct interpretation, even though the catholic church debated over the subject for hundreds of years.


JaxsonRaine Christs Church NEVER taught; "Faith ALONE"!
"Faith ALONE" is a LIE, Faith is NOT all man needs!
This is a TRADITION started by protestants Sixteen Hundred years AFTER Jesus!
JaxsonRaine It is a TRADITION because it is NOT found in the scriptures!

JaxsonRaine Christs Church NEVER taught; "Scriptures ALONE"!
Scriptures are all man needs is a LIE started by protestants, people in PROTEST against Jesus and his bride!!
"Scriptures ALONE" is a TRADITION started by protestants Sixteen Hundred years AFTER Jesus!
It is a TRADITION because it is NOT found in the scriptures!

JaxsonRaine There was NO other churches when the Holy Catholic Church made the DOCTRINE of Trinity!
There was NO other churches when the Holy Catholic Church made the DOCTRINE of The INCARNATION!

The first protestant and first protestant churches came alone at least SIXTEEN HUNDRED (1600) years AFTER Jesus!

JaxsonRaine The protestant is in PROTEST against Jesus and his holy bride!

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6/15/2012 2:49:47 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/15/2012 2:43:33 PM, Dogknox wrote:
JaxsonRaine wrote:

Christ's church didn't teach the doctrine of Trinity.
Explain please
The trinitarian doctrine is not a biblical teaching. Rather, it is an illogical interpretation of select scriptures while ignoring others. Now it is presented as factual, like it had always been the only and correct interpretation, even though the catholic church debated over the subject for hundreds of years.


JaxsonRaine Christs Church NEVER taught; "Faith ALONE"!
"Faith ALONE" is a LIE, Faith is NOT all man needs!
This is a TRADITION started by protestants Sixteen Hundred years AFTER Jesus!
JaxsonRaine It is a TRADITION because it is NOT found in the scriptures!

JaxsonRaine Christs Church NEVER taught; "Scriptures ALONE"!
Scriptures are all man needs is a LIE started by protestants, people in PROTEST against Jesus and his bride!!
"Scriptures ALONE" is a TRADITION started by protestants Sixteen Hundred years AFTER Jesus!
It is a TRADITION because it is NOT found in the scriptures!

JaxsonRaine There was NO other churches when the Holy Catholic Church made the DOCTRINE of Trinity!
There was NO other churches when the Holy Catholic Church made the DOCTRINE of The INCARNATION!

The first protestant and first protestant churches came alone at least SIXTEEN HUNDRED (1600) years AFTER Jesus!

JaxsonRaine The protestant is in PROTEST against Jesus and his holy bride!

Dogknox

Dogknox There was NO Pope when Christ established his church.
Dogknox There was NO PROPHET or APOSTLE when the Holy Catholic Church made the DOCTRINE of Trinity!
Dogknox It isn't up to the Holy Catholic Church to make DOCTRINE, especially not without the FOUNDATION of Christ's church.

It would be nice if you just replied without the ridiculous formatting. Answer this Dogknox, what happens to a building if you take away the foundation?
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6/15/2012 3:00:17 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
annanicole wrote:
Christ's church didn't teach the doctrine of Trinity.

The trinitarian doctrine is not a biblical teaching. Rather, it is an illogical interpretation of select scriptures while ignoring others. Now it is presented as factual, like it had always been the only and correct interpretation, even though the catholic church debated over the subject for hundreds of years.

Absolutely correct. The popish church only believes in "freedom of religion" when it is in the distinct minority. They'll scream "freedom of religion" in predominantly Protestant countries, but notice: in the not-to-recent past, having Protestant services in a near-total Roman Catholic country was out-lawed. I don't recall any of the Protestant churches having an Office of the Inquisition, either.

This dude says, "There were no Protestants for 1600 years." Ridiculous. Everyone and anyone who "protested" against the heresies and atrocities of the Roman Catholic church was ordered to recant, tortured, and killed - if the papists could get their hands on them.

annanicole QUESTION who founded your church!!?

SCRIPTURES>>"Go and make DISCIPLES of all nations BAPTIZING them in the name of the Father in the the name of the Son and in the name of the Holy Spirit!"

Father
Son
Holy Spirit Three (3) trinity!!!
It wasn't some pope's idea. In Acts 2:38 the author is not presenting a liturgical formula. He is concerned with distinguishing Christ's baptism from John the Baptist's. The practice of the early Church was thoroughly Trinitarian.

NOTE Baptism makes DISCIPLES!!!
Make DISCIPLES of all nations BAPTIZING!!!!
Protestant reject baptism as only symbolic!

SCriptures are CLEAR; "Baptism makes Jesus' brothers!"
Matthew 12:49
Pointing to his disciples, he said, "Here are my mother and my brothers.
annanicole You MUST reject scriptures because you are IN Protest against Jesus !

I point out when the Holy Catholic Church made the DOCTRINE of trinity there was NO other churches!
Catholic Church Council of Nicaea I, 325 headed by Pope and Bishops decided the Trinity!

Dogknox
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6/15/2012 3:06:29 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/15/2012 1:07:49 PM, JaxsonRaine wrote:
Seriously, be real. The Catholic church is not the same as Christ's church.

Christ's church was founded on prophets and apostles. Not a pope.
Christ's church didn't teach the doctrine of Trinity.
Christ's church didn't teach to pray to saints.

The Catholic church does not have an unbroken chain of Popes. The church was used as a position of power throughout its existence, full of corruption. Popes were chosen by whoever was in power at the time.

What Bible do you read?.
Who compiled it?.
Oral tradition was and still is used, what did early Christians use before the Bible was compiled?.
The Bible speaks of the authority of the Church, and speaks against self interpretation. Also why do Protestants all seem to oppose the Catholic Church more than each others. For example I beieve most Protestants would disagree with you and would say there is such a thng as the Holy Trinity. Yet Protestants seem to ignore the wrongs they see in every othre Protestant church and concentrate and focus on railing against the Catholic Church.
Every Pope can be traced right back to Peter. The Catholic Church is the only Chucrh that can trace it's lineag right back to the time of Christ.
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6/15/2012 3:06:49 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/15/2012 3:00:17 PM, Dogknox wrote:
annanicole wrote:
Christ's church didn't teach the doctrine of Trinity.

The trinitarian doctrine is not a biblical teaching. Rather, it is an illogical interpretation of select scriptures while ignoring others. Now it is presented as factual, like it had always been the only and correct interpretation, even though the catholic church debated over the subject for hundreds of years.

Absolutely correct. The popish church only believes in "freedom of religion" when it is in the distinct minority. They'll scream "freedom of religion" in predominantly Protestant countries, but notice: in the not-to-recent past, having Protestant services in a near-total Roman Catholic country was out-lawed. I don't recall any of the Protestant churches having an Office of the Inquisition, either.

This dude says, "There were no Protestants for 1600 years." Ridiculous. Everyone and anyone who "protested" against the heresies and atrocities of the Roman Catholic church was ordered to recant, tortured, and killed - if the papists could get their hands on them.

annanicole QUESTION who founded your church!!?

SCRIPTURES>>"Go and make DISCIPLES of all nations BAPTIZING them in the name of the Father in the the name of the Son and in the name of the Holy Spirit!"

Father
Son
Holy Spirit Three (3) trinity!!!
It wasn't some pope's idea. In Acts 2:38 the author is not presenting a liturgical formula. He is concerned with distinguishing Christ's baptism from John the Baptist's. The practice of the early Church was thoroughly Trinitarian.

NOTE Baptism makes DISCIPLES!!!
Make DISCIPLES of all nations BAPTIZING!!!!
Protestant reject baptism as only symbolic!

SCriptures are CLEAR; "Baptism makes Jesus' brothers!"
Matthew 12:49
Pointing to his disciples, he said, "Here are my mother and my brothers.
annanicole You MUST reject scriptures because you are IN Protest against Jesus !

I point out when the Holy Catholic Church made the DOCTRINE of trinity there was NO other churches!
Catholic Church Council of Nicaea I, 325 headed by Pope and Bishops decided the Trinity!

Dogknox

Amen! Brother!
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6/15/2012 3:10:28 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/15/2012 2:34:37 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 6/15/2012 2:12:34 PM, JaxsonRaine wrote:
At 6/15/2012 1:59:39 PM, stubs wrote:
At 6/15/2012 1:07:49 PM, JaxsonRaine wrote:

Christ's church didn't teach the doctrine of Trinity.

Explain please

The trinitarian doctrine is not a biblical teaching. Rather, it is an illogical interpretation of select scriptures while ignoring others. Now it is presented as factual, like it had always been the only and correct interpretation, even though the catholic church debated over the subject for hundreds of years.

Absolutely correct. The popish church only believes in "freedom of religion" when it is in the distinct minority. They'll scream "freedom of religion" in predominantly Protestant countries, but notice: in the not-to-recent past, having Protestant services in a near-total Roman Catholic country was out-lawed. I don't recall any of the Protestant churches having an Office of the Inquisition, either.

This dude says, "There were no Protestants for 1600 years." Ridiculous. Everyone and anyone who "protested" against the heresies and atrocities of the Roman Catholic church was ordered to recant, tortured, and killed - if the papists could get their hands on them.

I am looking to do a debate on the trinity in the future. I would need to talk to whoever I debate with first so we can see where the debate will end up going. The trinity is one of the non-negotiables of Christianity. Arminianism/Calvanism/Catholics all agree on the concept of the trinity which is why I would be willing to defend it.
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6/15/2012 3:15:25 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/15/2012 2:34:37 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 6/15/2012 2:12:34 PM, JaxsonRaine wrote:
At 6/15/2012 1:59:39 PM, stubs wrote:
At 6/15/2012 1:07:49 PM, JaxsonRaine wrote:

Christ's church didn't teach the doctrine of Trinity.

Explain please

The trinitarian doctrine is not a biblical teaching. Rather, it is an illogical interpretation of select scriptures while ignoring others. Now it is presented as factual, like it had always been the only and correct interpretation, even though the catholic church debated over the subject for hundreds of years.

Absolutely correct. The popish church only believes in "freedom of religion" when it is in the distinct minority. They'll scream "freedom of religion" in predominantly Protestant countries, but notice: in the not-to-recent past, having Protestant services in a near-total Roman Catholic country was out-lawed. I don't recall any of the Protestant churches having an Office of the Inquisition, either.

This dude says, "There were no Protestants for 1600 years." Ridiculous. Everyone and anyone who "protested" against the heresies and atrocities of the Roman Catholic church was ordered to recant, tortured, and killed - if the papists could get their hands on them.

Excuse me Protestants did the exact same thing. They killed and butchered Catholics who had to worship in secret. So lets not start that blame game. Catholics have and are still discriminated against in certain Protestant countries. The British prime minister is not permitted to be a Catholic. The king or queen of Engand is never permitted to be Catholic. Some people would say up until very recent times and still to a certain extent Catholics are discriminated againt in N. Ireland. Also people were tortured and killed for not recanting their Catholic faith. Also do you agree with the other poster that the teaching othe Holy Trinity is wrong, or are you siding with them simply because theare also opposing the Catholic Church?.
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6/15/2012 3:17:25 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/15/2012 3:06:29 PM, SeanMichael wrote:
At 6/15/2012 1:07:49 PM, JaxsonRaine wrote:
Seriously, be real. The Catholic church is not the same as Christ's church.

Christ's church was founded on prophets and apostles. Not a pope.
Christ's church didn't teach the doctrine of Trinity.
Christ's church didn't teach to pray to saints.

The Catholic church does not have an unbroken chain of Popes. The church was used as a position of power throughout its existence, full of corruption. Popes were chosen by whoever was in power at the time.

What Bible do you read?.

I've read and I use many different versions, but I specifically look for original text where possible. I use online lexicons along with a bit of software that I have, so I can best use the original language rather than any particular translation.

Who compiled it?.

Lots of people, from different church leaders, to independent historians and tscholars.

Oral tradition was and still is used, what did early Christians use before the Bible was compiled?.

Word of mouth, transcripts, scrolls, and copied letters.

The Bible speaks of the authority of the Church, and speaks against self interpretation.

The authority of Christ's church. You can't prove that the Catholic church is the right church because the Catholic church says that Jesus was specifically talking about them. It's circular reasoning.

Also why do Protestants all seem to oppose the Catholic Church more than each others. For example I beieve most Protestants would disagree with you and would say there is such a thng as the Holy Trinity. Yet Protestants seem to ignore the wrongs they see in every othre Protestant church and concentrate and focus on railing against the Catholic Church.

I think just about every church is equally wrong. Not necessarily bad, although there are plenty of bad things about a lot of churches.

Every Pope can be traced right back to Peter.

So if someone conquers Rome and installs a new Pope, you call that 'lineage'?

The Catholic Church is the only Chucrh that can trace it's lineag right back to the time of Christ.

See above. Yeah, there has always been a pope(well, at least one pope), but that doesn't really mean anything. First, there is no such thing as a Pope in the Bible. So you have to use 'tradition' and the teaching of the Catholic church to prove itself. You can't do that.
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6/15/2012 3:19:49 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/15/2012 3:10:28 PM, stubs wrote:
At 6/15/2012 2:34:37 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 6/15/2012 2:12:34 PM, JaxsonRaine wrote:
At 6/15/2012 1:59:39 PM, stubs wrote:
At 6/15/2012 1:07:49 PM, JaxsonRaine wrote:

Christ's church didn't teach the doctrine of Trinity.

Explain please

The trinitarian doctrine is not a biblical teaching. Rather, it is an illogical interpretation of select scriptures while ignoring others. Now it is presented as factual, like it had always been the only and correct interpretation, even though the catholic church debated over the subject for hundreds of years.

Absolutely correct. The popish church only believes in "freedom of religion" when it is in the distinct minority. They'll scream "freedom of religion" in predominantly Protestant countries, but notice: in the not-to-recent past, having Protestant services in a near-total Roman Catholic country was out-lawed. I don't recall any of the Protestant churches having an Office of the Inquisition, either.

This dude says, "There were no Protestants for 1600 years." Ridiculous. Everyone and anyone who "protested" against the heresies and atrocities of the Roman Catholic church was ordered to recant, tortured, and killed - if the papists could get their hands on them.

I am looking to do a debate on the trinity in the future. I would need to talk to whoever I debate with first so we can see where the debate will end up going. The trinity is one of the non-negotiables of Christianity. Arminianism/Calvanism/Catholics all agree on the concept of the trinity which is why I would be willing to defend it.

I've debated Trinity before, not really interested in doing so again.

To say it is non-negotiable is to claim that your interpretation is the correct one, and since your interpretation is correct it is the only correct one...

I say it's ridiculous. Christ and the Father are clearly separate. When Christ says he is in the Father and the Father is in him, he also says that we should be in them as they are in us. Does that make us part of God?
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