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6/21/2012 5:15:59 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Aren't you clever. ;)
Think'st thou heaven is such a glorious thing?
I tell thee, 'tis not half so fair as thou
Or any man that breathes on earth.

- Christopher Marlowe, Doctor Faustus
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6/21/2012 5:17:41 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/21/2012 5:12:43 PM, KeytarHero wrote:
I don't believe God exists, I just lack a lack of faith in God. :D


HAHAH ^ Yes.
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6/21/2012 5:40:07 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/21/2012 5:12:43 PM, KeytarHero wrote:
I don't believe God exists, I just lack a lack of faith in God. :D

Double negatives turn into a positive :)
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6/21/2012 5:42:46 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/21/2012 5:12:43 PM, KeytarHero wrote:
I don't believe God exists, I just lack a lack of faith in God. :D

Lacking a lack of belief is a belief.
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6/21/2012 6:20:36 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/21/2012 5:12:43 PM, KeytarHero wrote:
I don't believe God exists, I just lack a lack of faith in God. :D

Hope you don't mind my friend's lack of a lack of faith concerning unicorns.
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6/21/2012 6:23:21 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/21/2012 5:42:46 PM, WriterDave wrote:
At 6/21/2012 5:12:43 PM, KeytarHero wrote:
I don't believe God exists, I just lack a lack of faith in God. :D

Lacking a lack of belief is a belief.

Dave. So you have returned to DDO. Welcome back.
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6/21/2012 6:50:28 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/21/2012 6:23:21 PM, inferno wrote:
At 6/21/2012 5:42:46 PM, WriterDave wrote:
At 6/21/2012 5:12:43 PM, KeytarHero wrote:
I don't believe God exists, I just lack a lack of faith in God. :D

Lacking a lack of belief is a belief.

Dave. So you have returned to DDO. Welcome back.

*facepalm*

Inferno, he has been back for a while.
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6/21/2012 7:04:01 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/21/2012 5:12:43 PM, KeytarHero wrote:
I don't believe God exists,

You don't believe God exists!?

I just lack a lack of faith in God. :D

This means that you have faith in God. The statements contradict.
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6/21/2012 7:41:41 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/21/2012 7:04:01 PM, twocupcakes wrote:
At 6/21/2012 5:12:43 PM, KeytarHero wrote:
I don't believe God exists,

You don't believe God exists!?

I just lack a lack of faith in God. :D

This means that you have faith in God. The statements contradict.

My statement is simply a parody of the atheist position that it's not that they don't believe in God, they just lack faith that He exists. (Or something like that.) My statement was not really intended to be taken seriously. I am a positive Theist, in that while I don't believe you can prove God's existence beyond the shadow of a doubt, you can prove that God's existence is more likely than not.
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6/21/2012 10:29:46 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/21/2012 6:23:21 PM, inferno wrote:
At 6/21/2012 5:42:46 PM, WriterDave wrote:
At 6/21/2012 5:12:43 PM, KeytarHero wrote:
I don't believe God exists, I just lack a lack of faith in God. :D

Lacking a lack of belief is a belief.

Dave. So you have returned to DDO. Welcome back.

Erm, I've been back for quite a while. But thank you anyway.
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6/21/2012 10:33:42 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/21/2012 7:41:41 PM, KeytarHero wrote:
At 6/21/2012 7:04:01 PM, twocupcakes wrote:
At 6/21/2012 5:12:43 PM, KeytarHero wrote:
I don't believe God exists,

You don't believe God exists!?

I just lack a lack of faith in God. :D

This means that you have faith in God. The statements contradict.

My statement is simply a parody of the atheist position that it's not that they don't believe in God, they just lack faith that He exists. (Or something like that.) My statement was not really intended to be taken seriously. I am a positive Theist, in that while I don't believe you can prove God's existence beyond the shadow of a doubt, you can prove that God's existence is more likely than not.

Negative atheism isn't really parody-able. It's like parodying a lack of belief in leprechauns; it doesn't make much sense. Negative atheism is not reducible to positive atheism, but "negative theism" is reducible to positive theism, whether the theist believes the existence of God can be proven to a certainty or not.

I suspect you're just uncomfortable with the knowledge that the ultimate burden of proof is yours. I don't blame you for that, but the fact remains.
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6/22/2012 1:36:11 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/21/2012 7:41:41 PM, KeytarHero wrote:
At 6/21/2012 7:04:01 PM, twocupcakes wrote:
At 6/21/2012 5:12:43 PM, KeytarHero wrote:
I don't believe God exists,

You don't believe God exists!?

I just lack a lack of faith in God. :D

This means that you have faith in God. The statements contradict.

My statement is simply a parody of the atheist position that it's not that they don't believe in God, they just lack faith that He exists. (Or something like that.) My statement was not really intended to be taken seriously. I am a positive Theist, in that while I don't believe you can prove God's existence beyond the shadow of a doubt, you can prove that God's existence is more likely than not.

The Fool:
Can you do it without begging the question of your IDEA of God based on any Bible without simply extrapulating that idea in your mind onto other experiences?
If you can answer this I would be quite impressed!

Now lets say you change you idea of God. Are you now not talking about a conception, what remains of the other conception of God, that you should use the same name?(there is an answer for this one)
"The bud disappears when the blossom breaks through, and we might say that the former is refuted by the latter; in the same way when the fruit comes, the blossom may be explained to be a false form of the plant's existence, for the fruit appears as its true nature in place of the blossom. These stages are not merely differentiated; they supplant one another as being incompatible with one another." G. W. F. HEGEL
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6/22/2012 1:37:18 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/21/2012 5:42:46 PM, WriterDave wrote:
At 6/21/2012 5:12:43 PM, KeytarHero wrote:
I don't believe God exists, I just lack a lack of faith in God. :D

Lacking a lack of belief is a belief.

The Fool: no this is and illegal use of a double negative.
"The bud disappears when the blossom breaks through, and we might say that the former is refuted by the latter; in the same way when the fruit comes, the blossom may be explained to be a false form of the plant's existence, for the fruit appears as its true nature in place of the blossom. These stages are not merely differentiated; they supplant one another as being incompatible with one another." G. W. F. HEGEL
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6/22/2012 2:01:46 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/22/2012 1:37:18 AM, The_Fool_on_the_hill wrote:
At 6/21/2012 5:42:46 PM, WriterDave wrote:
At 6/21/2012 5:12:43 PM, KeytarHero wrote:
I don't believe God exists, I just lack a lack of faith in God. :D

Lacking a lack of belief is a belief.

The Fool: no this is and illegal use of a double negative.

How so?
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6/22/2012 2:11:16 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/22/2012 1:37:18 AM, The_Fool_on_the_hill wrote:
The Fool: no this is and illegal use of a double negative.

Arrest this Christian!
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6/22/2012 3:35:45 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/22/2012 2:01:46 AM, WriterDave wrote:
At 6/22/2012 1:37:18 AM, The_Fool_on_the_hill wrote:
At 6/21/2012 5:42:46 PM, WriterDave wrote:
At 6/21/2012 5:12:43 PM, KeytarHero wrote:
I don't believe God exists, I just lack a lack of faith in God. :D

Lacking a lack of belief is a belief.

The Fool: no this is and illegal use of a double negative.

How so?

The Fool:
eh you are asking for one of my prized secrets of logic, it is part of logical system I wrote, which account for error in current logic.

'Not' in known logic is ambiguous to three different types of notness:(Straight from the Hill!)
1. There is 'not' in which a Conjunction is either stated or presumed (Either its (A or B) ~P
2. There is 'not' as in an opposite, -P (real negative)
3. There is an absolute/universal 'not' as in non-existence 0(P)

Only the 2nd 'not' as in opposite can have a legitimate double negative in the very mathematical sense where -1(-1) =1


There are also three types of ones


1. A=1g (general/categorical) most of are of this kind.
2. The=1p (particular)
3. All=1U (universal)
Lacking belief is non-existing of belief (Belief is a subjective feeling of expectation), lacking of course only making sense by a comparison of having belief.
Only the object/subject of which is believed in can have a negative. But there is no negative existence.

Lacking a lack of belief is a belief.

Is the same as saying ‘non-existence of a non-existence of Belief is a belief'.
Your idea is of this Formula -1*1*-1B=B (I mean your thought is of this formulation) which would be true. If a ‘lack' was not a reference to existence but rather a direction)

And that's straight from the Hill!
"The bud disappears when the blossom breaks through, and we might say that the former is refuted by the latter; in the same way when the fruit comes, the blossom may be explained to be a false form of the plant's existence, for the fruit appears as its true nature in place of the blossom. These stages are not merely differentiated; they supplant one another as being incompatible with one another." G. W. F. HEGEL
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6/22/2012 7:17:44 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/21/2012 5:12:43 PM, KeytarHero wrote:
I don't believe God exists, I just lack a lack of faith in God. :D

If that didn't require you to actively produce faith in God and so make it completely different from weak athiesm, I'd commend you for the witty remark ;)
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6/22/2012 7:23:39 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/21/2012 7:41:41 PM, KeytarHero wrote:
At 6/21/2012 7:04:01 PM, twocupcakes wrote:
At 6/21/2012 5:12:43 PM, KeytarHero wrote:
I don't believe God exists,

You don't believe God exists!?

I just lack a lack of faith in God. :D

This means that you have faith in God. The statements contradict.

My statement is simply a parody of the atheist position that it's not that they don't believe in God, they just lack faith that He exists.

Citation, please.

(Or something like that.) My statement was not really intended to be taken seriously. I am a positive Theist, in that while I don't believe you can prove God's existence beyond the shadow of a doubt, you can prove that God's existence is more likely than not.
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6/22/2012 9:55:54 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/22/2012 7:23:39 AM, drafterman wrote:
At 6/21/2012 7:41:41 PM, KeytarHero wrote:
At 6/21/2012 7:04:01 PM, twocupcakes wrote:
At 6/21/2012 5:12:43 PM, KeytarHero wrote:
I don't believe God exists,

You don't believe God exists!?

I just lack a lack of faith in God. :D

This means that you have faith in God. The statements contradict.

My statement is simply a parody of the atheist position that it's not that they don't believe in God, they just lack faith that He exists.

Citation, please.

He could cite me. As well as many others. The most popular theist/atheist nomenclature is this:

- Theists believe gods exist.
- Atheists believe gods don't exist.
- Agnostics are everybody else.

In second place, and rapidly growing in popularity, is this system:

- Theists Believe gods exist.
- Atheists are everybody else.

And atheists, then, have subcategories:

- Strong atheists believe gods do not exist.
- Weak atheists are everyone who is neither a theist nor a strong atheist.

So,
- theists (old system) are theists (new system);
- atheists (old system) are strong atheists (new system); and
- agnostics (old system) are weak atheists (new system).

Some theists object to the new nomenclature, and protest by pretending to be eternally confused. Some pretend to believe that the third category (agnostics/weak atheists) doesn't exist, that everybody either believes gods exist or believes gods don't exist. As far as I can see, there is no reasoning with these people.

Please don't think I'm describing Kaytarhero. I don't know why he started this thread, but I believe he is sincere.
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6/22/2012 9:59:27 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/22/2012 9:55:54 AM, wiploc wrote:
At 6/22/2012 7:23:39 AM, drafterman wrote:
At 6/21/2012 7:41:41 PM, KeytarHero wrote:
At 6/21/2012 7:04:01 PM, twocupcakes wrote:
At 6/21/2012 5:12:43 PM, KeytarHero wrote:
I don't believe God exists,

You don't believe God exists!?

I just lack a lack of faith in God. :D

This means that you have faith in God. The statements contradict.

My statement is simply a parody of the atheist position that it's not that they don't believe in God, they just lack faith that He exists.

Citation, please.

He could cite me. As well as many others. The most popular theist/atheist nomenclature is this:

- Theists believe gods exist.
- Atheists believe gods don't exist.
- Agnostics are everybody else.

In second place, and rapidly growing in popularity, is this system:

- Theists Believe gods exist.
- Atheists are everybody else.

And atheists, then, have subcategories:

- Strong atheists believe gods do not exist.
- Weak atheists are everyone who is neither a theist nor a strong atheist.

So,
- theists (old system) are theists (new system);
- atheists (old system) are strong atheists (new system); and
- agnostics (old system) are weak atheists (new system).

Some theists object to the new nomenclature, and protest by pretending to be eternally confused. Some pretend to believe that the third category (agnostics/weak atheists) doesn't exist, that everybody either believes gods exist or believes gods don't exist. As far as I can see, there is no reasoning with these people.

Please don't think I'm describing Kaytarhero. I don't know why he started this thread, but I believe he is sincere.

Right but, in either case, the atheist isn't accurately described as just lacking faith. Faith and believe are independent things.
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6/22/2012 10:15:35 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
I think the categorization now most common among serious thinkers, philosophers, and other fast food franchise employees is:

theists believe God exists
atheists do not believe God exists

atheists then include

strong atheists, who believe all gods are disproved
weak atheists, who believe no god is proved
agnostics, who believe God is not provable and not disprovable
Buddhists who believe the god question should not be considered
those who happen to never consider the God question
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6/22/2012 10:32:24 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/22/2012 9:55:54 AM, wiploc wrote:
He could cite me. As well as many others. The most popular theist/atheist nomenclature is this:

- Theists believe gods exist.
- Atheists believe gods don't exist.
- Agnostics are everybody else.
No. Atheist/theist address the question of belief. Agnostic/gnostic address the question of knowledge.

In second place, and rapidly growing in popularity, is this system:

- Theists Believe gods exist.
- Atheists are everybody else.
That's nonsense. That means that one can have a position on the belief in God/gods without never even having heard of God/gods! If I ask you do you believe in "Floo-floo-fla" how can you possible have a position on it if you down't know what I am talking about?

And atheists, then, have subcategories:

- Strong atheists believe gods do not exist.
- Weak atheists are everyone who is neither a theist nor a strong atheist.
Sure, but that would make weak-atheist an empty set; ergo, no one is a weak atheist!

So,
- theists (old system) are theists (new system);
OK.

- atheists (old system) are strong atheists (new system); and
Fine too; no difference so far.

- agnostics (old system) are weak atheists (new system).
No. Agnosticism deals with knowledge and NOT belief. One can be an agnostic-atheist or an agnostic-theist.

Some theists object to the new nomenclature, and protest by pretending to be eternally confused.
Sure, and some atheists protest as well. Anyone with basic skills in reasoning will protest.

Some pretend to believe that the third category (agnostics/weak atheists) doesn't exist, that everybody either believes gods exist or believes gods don't exist.
Whether you call it "weak-atheist" or "agnostic-weak-atheist" is irrelevant because when you define it as such, it is an empty set. That means that no one can possibly be a weak-atheist.

As far as I can see, there is no reasoning with these people.
One cannot reason unreasonable things. You cannot "reason away" a contradiction.

Please don't think I'm describing Kaytarhero. I don't know why he started this thread, but I believe he is sincere.
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6/22/2012 10:37:12 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/21/2012 5:12:43 PM, KeytarHero wrote:
I don't believe God exists, I just lack a lack of faith in God. :D

You're almost there!
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6/22/2012 11:58:35 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/21/2012 10:33:42 PM, WriterDave wrote:
At 6/21/2012 7:41:41 PM, KeytarHero wrote:
At 6/21/2012 7:04:01 PM, twocupcakes wrote:
At 6/21/2012 5:12:43 PM, KeytarHero wrote:
I don't believe God exists,

You don't believe God exists!?

I just lack a lack of faith in God. :D

This means that you have faith in God. The statements contradict.

My statement is simply a parody of the atheist position that it's not that they don't believe in God, they just lack faith that He exists. (Or something like that.) My statement was not really intended to be taken seriously. I am a positive Theist, in that while I don't believe you can prove God's existence beyond the shadow of a doubt, you can prove that God's existence is more likely than not.

Negative atheism isn't really parody-able. It's like parodying a lack of belief in leprechauns; it doesn't make much sense. Negative atheism is not reducible to positive atheism, but "negative theism" is reducible to positive theism, whether the theist believes the existence of God can be proven to a certainty or not.

I suspect you're just uncomfortable with the knowledge that the ultimate burden of proof is yours. I don't blame you for that, but the fact remains.

But that's just it, the Theist doesn't bear the ultimate burden of proof. The one making the claim does. If an Atheist approaches me and tells me there is no God, it is up to him/her to prove it, not to shift it on to me. If I tell an Atheist that God exists, then yes, I bear the burden of proof. Weak atheism is barely indistinguishable from agnosticism.
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6/22/2012 6:43:21 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/22/2012 11:58:35 AM, KeytarHero wrote:
At 6/21/2012 10:33:42 PM, WriterDave wrote:
At 6/21/2012 7:41:41 PM, KeytarHero wrote:
At 6/21/2012 7:04:01 PM, twocupcakes wrote:
At 6/21/2012 5:12:43 PM, KeytarHero wrote:
I don't believe God exists,

You don't believe God exists!?

I just lack a lack of faith in God. :D

This means that you have faith in God. The statements contradict.

My statement is simply a parody of the atheist position that it's not that they don't believe in God, they just lack faith that He exists. (Or something like that.) My statement was not really intended to be taken seriously. I am a positive Theist, in that while I don't believe you can prove God's existence beyond the shadow of a doubt, you can prove that God's existence is more likely than not.

Negative atheism isn't really parody-able. It's like parodying a lack of belief in leprechauns; it doesn't make much sense. Negative atheism is not reducible to positive atheism, but "negative theism" is reducible to positive theism, whether the theist believes the existence of God can be proven to a certainty or not.

I suspect you're just uncomfortable with the knowledge that the ultimate burden of proof is yours. I don't blame you for that, but the fact remains.

But that's just it, the Theist doesn't bear the ultimate burden of proof. The one making the claim does. If an Atheist approaches me and tells me there is no God, it is up to him/her to prove it, not to shift it on to me. If I tell an Atheist that God exists, then yes, I bear the burden of proof. Weak atheism is barely indistinguishable from agnosticism.

Agnosticism, as I shall forever have to explain to people like you, is not a middle ground between theism and atheism; it is a separate topic. Atheism is a lack of belief that God exists. Agnosticism is a lack of belief that the existence of God is something that can be known.

Everything else you said is basically true, but the fact remains that negative atheism is not reducible to positive atheism, nor can it be parodied in the manner you meant.
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6/22/2012 8:39:23 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I'll just place this here:

If atheists are desperate enough to want to obstinately force their silly re-definition of atheism as "lack of belief" in God(s) upon all else, then allow them; theists will then merely play their petty little game and re-define theism to mean "lack of disbelief" in God(s) and the endless cycle of non-progress and pettiness peddled by The New Atheists will continue ever on.
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6/22/2012 8:45:26 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/22/2012 8:39:23 PM, SovereignDream wrote:
I'll just place this here:

If atheists are desperate enough to want to obstinately force their silly re-definition of atheism as "lack of belief" in God(s) upon all else, then allow them; theists will then merely play their petty little game and re-define theism to mean "lack of disbelief" in God(s) and the endless cycle of non-progress and pettiness peddled by The New Atheists will continue ever on.

The interpretation of atheism being a lack of belief in god is at least 70 years old. And that's according to the works of a Catholic apologist.

Pinning this on New Atheism, which is less than a decade old, only shows that you really don't know what you're talking about here.