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6/28/2012 9:37:35 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Now whether or not you agree with what is written in the Word Of God, it speaks
truth. It was written exactly for the purpose to guide mankind and give us
divine intervention and interpretation from a universal perspective.
Because Man was born into sin from their mothers womb, why would they condemn
their very own nature to beginw with. So anyone who believes that the Bible itself
is just a book put here to control people.........That is nonsense.
No Man in his natural sinful state would write such things.
So it is ridiculous for us as mortals, to assume or dictate the reason as to why the Bible
was written as it stands today. But homosexuality is a sin. See the link below and let me know what you think.

http://www.fbbc.com...
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6/28/2012 9:47:07 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
You still haven't answered my questions from the other thread.

Why is the Bible a source of morality? Why not other holy books? Were they placed on Earth to control humans?

Do you have conclusive proof that God exists (as in he actually revealed himself to you and you recorded the meeting)?

What gives God moral authority?

Do you have proof that God is not a deist God?
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6/28/2012 9:48:03 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Also, you make an assumption that man is naturally depraved. Do you have proof of this? If this is true, why did good men exist in pre-Biblical times?
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6/28/2012 9:51:47 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
The sheer amount of unsubstantiated claims is astounding.
There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss. " Clearly, it is this second part, the missing, which presents the difficulties.
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6/28/2012 9:54:34 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/28/2012 9:47:07 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
You still haven't answered my questions from the other thread.

Why is the Bible a source of morality? Why not other holy books? Were they placed on Earth to control humans?

Do you have conclusive proof that God exists (as in he actually revealed himself to you and you recorded the meeting)?

What gives God moral authority?

Do you have proof that God is not a deist God?

You are rationalizing with someone who doesn't care about rationality. The way I see it, it only makes sense to argue with proof-based, logic-based theists that can have an argument with you on what justifies their faith - where both debaters are open to eachother's ideas.

The other ones that only offer empty rhetoric and fabricated emotionalism aren't worth arguing with.
"A stupid despot may constrain his slaves with iron chains; but a true politician binds them even more strongly with the chain of their own ideas" - Michel Foucault
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6/28/2012 10:01:55 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/28/2012 9:47:07 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
You still haven't answered my questions from the other thread.

Why is the Bible a source of morality? Why not other holy books? Were they placed on Earth to control humans?
Because the Bible has an influence and value that has stood the test of time.
People in their own right do not follow things that compromise their own self interest. Conviction is the key.
Do you have conclusive proof that God exists (as in he actually revealed himself to you and you recorded the meeting)?
Not the kind you are searching for. Based on your shallow mind, it would be impossible to prove that unless you see God for yourself.
What gives God moral authority?
Easy. He is our Creator. He gives life, and he can take it away.
Do you have proof that God is not a deist God?

Again. See a spiritual teacher or counselar. You need some teaching.
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6/28/2012 10:04:02 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/28/2012 9:48:03 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
Also, you make an assumption that man is naturally depraved. Do you have proof of this? If this is true, why did good men exist in pre-Biblical times?

Good Men exist now. But our consciousness has changed. Our train of thought has changed. So many dynamics, elements. It has altered the entire way of life
all throughout history and time. You could not possibly fathom what it would have been like to live in this world thousands of years ago. It is beyond you.
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6/28/2012 10:10:11 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Why should we care what a dusty old book has to say about something?
Think'st thou heaven is such a glorious thing?
I tell thee, 'tis not half so fair as thou
Or any man that breathes on earth.

- Christopher Marlowe, Doctor Faustus
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6/28/2012 10:25:19 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/28/2012 10:01:55 AM, inferno wrote:
At 6/28/2012 9:47:07 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
You still haven't answered my questions from the other thread.

Why is the Bible a source of morality? Why not other holy books? Were they placed on Earth to control humans?
Because the Bible has an influence and value that has stood the test of time.
So has the Baghavad-Gita, which has existed for longer than the Bible has. So has worship of the Greek gods (even today there are a handful of pagans). Why does the fact that people accept it mean that we should follow it? Do you pray with the Vedas because they have stood the test of time?
People in their own right do not follow things that compromise their own self interest. Conviction is the key.
So because you have faith, you are correct?
Do you have conclusive proof that God exists (as in he actually revealed himself to you and you recorded the meeting)?
Not the kind you are searching for. Based on your shallow mind, it would be impossible to prove that unless you see God for yourself.
So why doesn't God show himself to me? If you don't have conclusive proof, why should I believe it?
What gives God moral authority?
Easy. He is our Creator. He gives life, and he can take it away.
That doesn't mean that he is the source of morality. That just means that you listen to him because you are afraid of him. At best, it makes him a tyrant. It doesn't make him moral.
Do you have proof that God is not a deist God?

Again. See a spiritual teacher or counselar. You need some teaching.
So, you don't have any proof.
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6/28/2012 10:26:19 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/28/2012 10:04:02 AM, inferno wrote:
At 6/28/2012 9:48:03 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
Also, you make an assumption that man is naturally depraved. Do you have proof of this? If this is true, why did good men exist in pre-Biblical times?

Good Men exist now. But our consciousness has changed. Our train of thought has changed.
Yes, because we are starting to believe in universal rights. We aren't like the people in the Bible, who killed other people for harming them but who harmed other people on a daily basis without repercussion.
So many dynamics, elements. It has altered the entire way of life
all throughout history and time. You could not possibly fathom what it would have been like to live in this world thousands of years ago. It is beyond you.
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6/28/2012 10:35:55 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/28/2012 10:25:19 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/28/2012 10:01:55 AM, inferno wrote:
At 6/28/2012 9:47:07 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
You still haven't answered my questions from the other thread.

Why is the Bible a source of morality? Why not other holy books? Were they placed on Earth to control humans?
Because the Bible has an influence and value that has stood the test of time.
So has the Baghavad-Gita, which has existed for longer than the Bible has. So has worship of the Greek gods (even today there are a handful of pagans). Why does the fact that people accept it mean that we should follow it? Do you pray with the Vedas because they have stood the test of time?
People in their own right do not follow things that compromise their own self interest. Conviction is the key.
So because you have faith, you are correct?
Do you have conclusive proof that God exists (as in he actually revealed himself to you and you recorded the meeting)?
Not the kind you are searching for. Based on your shallow mind, it would be impossible to prove that unless you see God for yourself.
So why doesn't God show himself to me? If you don't have conclusive proof, why should I believe it?
What gives God moral authority?
Easy. He is our Creator. He gives life, and he can take it away.
That doesn't mean that he is the source of morality. That just means that you listen to him because you are afraid of him. At best, it makes him a tyrant. It doesn't make him moral.
Do you have proof that God is not a deist God?

Again. See a spiritual teacher or counselar. You need some teaching.
So, you don't have any proof.

Noone values Greek gods. Those things were only created by imagination and were not revered over time because they were classified as myths.
It is amazing that such a simple minded person as yourself cant even see
that. Most logical people know the difference between comical gods and the Real One. You do not count.
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6/28/2012 10:37:49 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/28/2012 10:26:19 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/28/2012 10:04:02 AM, inferno wrote:
At 6/28/2012 9:48:03 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
Also, you make an assumption that man is naturally depraved. Do you have proof of this? If this is true, why did good men exist in pre-Biblical times?

Good Men exist now. But our consciousness has changed. Our train of thought has changed.
Yes, because we are starting to believe in universal rights. We aren't like the people in the Bible, who killed other people for harming them but who harmed other people on a daily basis without repercussion.
So many dynamics, elements. It has altered the entire way of life
all throughout history and time. You could not possibly fathom what it would have been like to live in this world thousands of years ago. It is beyond you.

False. You still have old countries that practice stoic traditions every day.
Some people are still hung for doing adultery.
Some have their hands and feet cut off for stealing.
Some are ever hanged for lying.
Royale. You need to educate yourself more dear.
You have a very narrow way of seeing the world even as it is today.
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6/28/2012 10:39:09 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/28/2012 10:37:49 AM, inferno wrote:
At 6/28/2012 10:26:19 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/28/2012 10:04:02 AM, inferno wrote:
At 6/28/2012 9:48:03 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
Also, you make an assumption that man is naturally depraved. Do you have proof of this? If this is true, why did good men exist in pre-Biblical times?

Good Men exist now. But our consciousness has changed. Our train of thought has changed.
Yes, because we are starting to believe in universal rights. We aren't like the people in the Bible, who killed other people for harming them but who harmed other people on a daily basis without repercussion.
So many dynamics, elements. It has altered the entire way of life
all throughout history and time. You could not possibly fathom what it would have been like to live in this world thousands of years ago. It is beyond you.

False. You still have old countries that practice stoic traditions every day.
Some people are still hung for doing adultery.
Some have their hands and feet cut off for stealing.
Some are ever hanged for lying.
Royale. You need to educate yourself more dear.
You have a very narrow way of seeing the world even as it is today.

And those traditions are a bit extreme and brutal.
Think'st thou heaven is such a glorious thing?
I tell thee, 'tis not half so fair as thou
Or any man that breathes on earth.

- Christopher Marlowe, Doctor Faustus
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6/28/2012 10:39:43 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/28/2012 10:35:55 AM, inferno wrote:
At 6/28/2012 10:25:19 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/28/2012 10:01:55 AM, inferno wrote:
At 6/28/2012 9:47:07 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
You still haven't answered my questions from the other thread.

Why is the Bible a source of morality? Why not other holy books? Were they placed on Earth to control humans?
Because the Bible has an influence and value that has stood the test of time.
So has the Baghavad-Gita, which has existed for longer than the Bible has. So has worship of the Greek gods (even today there are a handful of pagans). Why does the fact that people accept it mean that we should follow it? Do you pray with the Vedas because they have stood the test of time?
People in their own right do not follow things that compromise their own self interest. Conviction is the key.
So because you have faith, you are correct?
Do you have conclusive proof that God exists (as in he actually revealed himself to you and you recorded the meeting)?
Not the kind you are searching for. Based on your shallow mind, it would be impossible to prove that unless you see God for yourself.
So why doesn't God show himself to me? If you don't have conclusive proof, why should I believe it?
What gives God moral authority?
Easy. He is our Creator. He gives life, and he can take it away.
That doesn't mean that he is the source of morality. That just means that you listen to him because you are afraid of him. At best, it makes him a tyrant. It doesn't make him moral.
Do you have proof that God is not a deist God?

Again. See a spiritual teacher or counselar. You need some teaching.
So, you don't have any proof.

Noone values Greek gods.
False:

Hellenic Reconstructionism exists in Greece and in other countries. Leaders of the movement claimed in 2005 that there are as many as 2,000 adherents to the Hellenic tradition in Greece, with an additional 100,000 who have "some sort of interest"

http://en.wikipedia.org...
Those things were only created by imagination and were not revered over time because they were classified as myths.
So was Yaweh, the imaginary sky-daddy of the Jews.
It is amazing that such a simple minded person as yourself cant even see
that. Most logical people know the difference between comical gods and the Real One. You do not count.
All gods are imaginary.
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6/28/2012 10:41:53 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/28/2012 10:37:49 AM, inferno wrote:
At 6/28/2012 10:26:19 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/28/2012 10:04:02 AM, inferno wrote:
At 6/28/2012 9:48:03 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
Also, you make an assumption that man is naturally depraved. Do you have proof of this? If this is true, why did good men exist in pre-Biblical times?

Good Men exist now. But our consciousness has changed. Our train of thought has changed.
Yes, because we are starting to believe in universal rights. We aren't like the people in the Bible, who killed other people for harming them but who harmed other people on a daily basis without repercussion.
So many dynamics, elements. It has altered the entire way of life
all throughout history and time. You could not possibly fathom what it would have been like to live in this world thousands of years ago. It is beyond you.

False. You still have old countries that practice stoic traditions every day.
Some people are still hung for doing adultery.
Some have their hands and feet cut off for stealing.
Some are ever hanged for lying.
Do you know what the funny thing is? All of this nonsense and barbarianism is promoted in the Bible, the book you worship as holy and great, in Exodus and Leviticus.
Royale. You need to educate yourself more dear.
You have a very narrow way of seeing the world even as it is today.

I know what happens in other nations. My point is that people are starting to grasp onto their rights. Even in repressive nations like Iran, people are starting to rebel, and they are looking past religious justifications and to secular justifications for rebellion.
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6/28/2012 10:46:51 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/28/2012 10:39:43 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/28/2012 10:35:55 AM, inferno wrote:
At 6/28/2012 10:25:19 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/28/2012 10:01:55 AM, inferno wrote:
At 6/28/2012 9:47:07 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
You still haven't answered my questions from the other thread.

Why is the Bible a source of morality? Why not other holy books? Were they placed on Earth to control humans?
Because the Bible has an influence and value that has stood the test of time.
So has the Baghavad-Gita, which has existed for longer than the Bible has. So has worship of the Greek gods (even today there are a handful of pagans). Why does the fact that people accept it mean that we should follow it? Do you pray with the Vedas because they have stood the test of time?
People in their own right do not follow things that compromise their own self interest. Conviction is the key.
So because you have faith, you are correct?
Do you have conclusive proof that God exists (as in he actually revealed himself to you and you recorded the meeting)?
Not the kind you are searching for. Based on your shallow mind, it would be impossible to prove that unless you see God for yourself.
So why doesn't God show himself to me? If you don't have conclusive proof, why should I believe it?
What gives God moral authority?
Easy. He is our Creator. He gives life, and he can take it away.
That doesn't mean that he is the source of morality. That just means that you listen to him because you are afraid of him. At best, it makes him a tyrant. It doesn't make him moral.
Do you have proof that God is not a deist God?

Again. See a spiritual teacher or counselar. You need some teaching.
So, you don't have any proof.

Noone values Greek gods.
False:

Hellenic Reconstructionism exists in Greece and in other countries. Leaders of the movement claimed in 2005 that there are as many as 2,000 adherents to the Hellenic tradition in Greece, with an additional 100,000 who have "some sort of interest"

http://en.wikipedia.org...
Those things were only created by imagination and were not revered over time because they were classified as myths.
So was Yaweh, the imaginary sky-daddy of the Jews.
It is amazing that such a simple minded person as yourself cant even see
that. Most logical people know the difference between comical gods and the Real One. You do not count.
All gods are imaginary.

False. Again, you fail to recognize the difference between mythology and certain religions.
There is a difference because of the learning institutions, laws, civil unions, which are not catered to anything mythological. If this were the case, then people would not even honor the Bible or any other Holy Book that has a reputation of
legitimacy. Some are false, and others are true. Most logical and intelligent people have the ability to discern what is real and what is not.
You need to figure out how to do the same.
Again, I question your intelligence based on the absurdity of your arguments
and warped sense of reality. Your mindset is twisted. <------
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6/28/2012 10:48:30 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/28/2012 10:39:09 AM, DetectableNinja wrote:
At 6/28/2012 10:37:49 AM, inferno wrote:
At 6/28/2012 10:26:19 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/28/2012 10:04:02 AM, inferno wrote:
At 6/28/2012 9:48:03 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
Also, you make an assumption that man is naturally depraved. Do you have proof of this? If this is true, why did good men exist in pre-Biblical times?

Good Men exist now. But our consciousness has changed. Our train of thought has changed.
Yes, because we are starting to believe in universal rights. We aren't like the people in the Bible, who killed other people for harming them but who harmed other people on a daily basis without repercussion.
So many dynamics, elements. It has altered the entire way of life
all throughout history and time. You could not possibly fathom what it would have been like to live in this world thousands of years ago. It is beyond you.

False. You still have old countries that practice stoic traditions every day.
Some people are still hung for doing adultery.
Some have their hands and feet cut off for stealing.
Some are ever hanged for lying.
Royale. You need to educate yourself more dear.
You have a very narrow way of seeing the world even as it is today.

And those traditions are a bit extreme and brutal.

They are not Bible infuenced as many of these countries are either Communist
or Dictatorship ruled.
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6/28/2012 10:50:42 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/28/2012 10:46:51 AM, inferno wrote:
At 6/28/2012 10:39:43 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/28/2012 10:35:55 AM, inferno wrote:
At 6/28/2012 10:25:19 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/28/2012 10:01:55 AM, inferno wrote:
At 6/28/2012 9:47:07 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
You still haven't answered my questions from the other thread.

Why is the Bible a source of morality? Why not other holy books? Were they placed on Earth to control humans?
Because the Bible has an influence and value that has stood the test of time.
So has the Baghavad-Gita, which has existed for longer than the Bible has. So has worship of the Greek gods (even today there are a handful of pagans). Why does the fact that people accept it mean that we should follow it? Do you pray with the Vedas because they have stood the test of time?
People in their own right do not follow things that compromise their own self interest. Conviction is the key.
So because you have faith, you are correct?
Do you have conclusive proof that God exists (as in he actually revealed himself to you and you recorded the meeting)?
Not the kind you are searching for. Based on your shallow mind, it would be impossible to prove that unless you see God for yourself.
So why doesn't God show himself to me? If you don't have conclusive proof, why should I believe it?
What gives God moral authority?
Easy. He is our Creator. He gives life, and he can take it away.
That doesn't mean that he is the source of morality. That just means that you listen to him because you are afraid of him. At best, it makes him a tyrant. It doesn't make him moral.
Do you have proof that God is not a deist God?

Again. See a spiritual teacher or counselar. You need some teaching.
So, you don't have any proof.

Noone values Greek gods.
False:

Hellenic Reconstructionism exists in Greece and in other countries. Leaders of the movement claimed in 2005 that there are as many as 2,000 adherents to the Hellenic tradition in Greece, with an additional 100,000 who have "some sort of interest"

http://en.wikipedia.org...
Those things were only created by imagination and were not revered over time because they were classified as myths.
So was Yaweh, the imaginary sky-daddy of the Jews.
It is amazing that such a simple minded person as yourself cant even see
that. Most logical people know the difference between comical gods and the Real One. You do not count.
All gods are imaginary.

False. Again, you fail to recognize the difference between mythology and certain religions.
There is a difference because of the learning institutions, laws, civil unions, which are not catered to anything mythological. If this were the case, then people would not even honor the Bible or any other Holy Book that has a reputation of
legitimacy. Some are false, and others are true. Most logical and intelligent people have the ability to discern what is real and what is not.
You need to figure out how to do the same.
Again, I question your intelligence based on the absurdity of your arguments
and warped sense of reality. Your mindset is twisted. <------

LOL, my arguments are absurd? You can't even a question logically.
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6/28/2012 10:51:18 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
I am honestly fed up with you. You dropped like 90% of my counterarguments and are now claiming that you are correct because your analysis is just inherently true.
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6/28/2012 10:59:20 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/28/2012 10:51:18 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
I am honestly fed up with you. You dropped like 90% of my counterarguments and are now claiming that you are correct because your analysis is just inherently true.

False. The topic is about whether or not homosexuality is wrong.
What makes you think that just becayse we live in a secular world, that abortion is not wrong either. Just because it is the law, does not make it right.
It does not change the nucleus of the problem.
It is only a cloak and dagger solution to a problem that causes people
internal conflict. It is our sinful nature that cause us to try and appease
ourselves by contrasting the difference between right and wrong.
If ones conscious was clear, then guilt would not be a determining factor.
So homosexuality, like abortion is simply wrong. It is a sin, because it goes
against the Word Of God. Our ways are not His ways.
So we as mortals cannot legislate or dictate what is right or wrong here on Earth, socially, morally, or psychologically, just because we feel the need to correct natures wrongs. Whatever was created, that is what it shall be. To question the divine order of things is utterly ridiculous.
How can any logical person justify this.
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6/28/2012 11:01:20 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/28/2012 10:51:18 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
I am honestly fed up with you. You dropped like 90% of my counterarguments and are now claiming that you are correct because your analysis is just inherently true.

There is nothing inherently about this. These other complex issues have
credibility even in a modern day world. Secularism even promotes this.
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6/28/2012 11:09:56 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/28/2012 10:59:20 AM, inferno wrote:
At 6/28/2012 10:51:18 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
I am honestly fed up with you. You dropped like 90% of my counterarguments and are now claiming that you are correct because your analysis is just inherently true.

False. The topic is about whether or not homosexuality is wrong.
What makes you think that just becayse we live in a secular world, that abortion is not wrong either.
Abortion is not wrong because I have no obligation to care for another person/allow him to leech off my person if I don't want to. Nobody has a right to use my body without my permission, as per the right to liberty.
Just because it is the law, does not make it right.
When did I ever argue this? You are strawmanning my arguments.
It does not change the nucleus of the problem.
It is only a cloak and dagger solution to a problem that causes people
internal conflict. It is our sinful nature that cause us to try and appease
ourselves by contrasting the difference between right and wrong.
If ones conscious was clear, then guilt would not be a determining factor.
So homosexuality, like abortion is simply wrong. It is a sin, because it goes
against the Word Of God. Our ways are not His ways.
You still haven't proven that God exists (your justification is that I am stupid and possibly could not understand his ways; that doesn't prove that God exists), that morality objectively comes from him, that he interferes in human lives in a manner consistent with the Bible, and that he promotes the Bible as opposed to the Guru Granth, the Vedas, the Quaran, etc.
So we as mortals cannot legislate or dictate what is right or wrong here on Earth, socially, morally, or psychologically, just because we feel the need to correct natures wrongs.
So you concede that they are wrongs . . .

Why shouldn't we correct them?
Whatever was created, that is what it shall be.
Do you wear clothes, inferno? Clothes were not created by God. Should we walk around naked because "whatever was created, that is what it shall be?"
To question the divine order of things is utterly ridiculous.
How can any logical person justify this.
On the basis that God doesn't exist, that we don't have to be slaves to nature, that anything we do is "unnatural", that there is no link between "unnatural" and "immoral", and anything else that I've discussed with you.
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6/28/2012 11:10:48 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/28/2012 11:01:20 AM, inferno wrote:
At 6/28/2012 10:51:18 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
I am honestly fed up with you. You dropped like 90% of my counterarguments and are now claiming that you are correct because your analysis is just inherently true.

There is nothing inherently about this. These other complex issues have
credibility even in a modern day world. Secularism even promotes this.

You are supposing that your analysis is true without justification. You are therefore claiming that your ideas are inherently true. You don't have any logical proof that they are true, however.
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6/28/2012 11:21:45 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/28/2012 11:10:48 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/28/2012 11:01:20 AM, inferno wrote:
At 6/28/2012 10:51:18 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
I am honestly fed up with you. You dropped like 90% of my counterarguments and are now claiming that you are correct because your analysis is just inherently true.

There is nothing inherently about this. These other complex issues have
credibility even in a modern day world. Secularism even promotes this.

You are supposing that your analysis is true without justification. You are therefore claiming that your ideas are inherently true. You don't have any logical proof that they are true, however.

False. America is a secular nation. But people are still conflicted. They do not support gay marriage laws. They only wish to pass them in the future because of their own political advantage. It has absolutely nothing to do with their "change"
of beliefs. Most of us know that homosexuality is wrong and would rather our sons and daughters be with someone of the opposite sex. That my dear friend is
a fact, and it will never change. It is not about hate, or dislike.
God loves us all, but He does not love our sin.
So we must honor Him in all aspects of the word.
To be Like Jesus is the name of the song.
What would Jesus do. He would show His love for all humans,
gay or straight. End of story.
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6/28/2012 11:23:37 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/28/2012 11:09:56 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/28/2012 10:59:20 AM, inferno wrote:
At 6/28/2012 10:51:18 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
I am honestly fed up with you. You dropped like 90% of my counterarguments and are now claiming that you are correct because your analysis is just inherently true.

False. The topic is about whether or not homosexuality is wrong.
What makes you think that just becayse we live in a secular world, that abortion is not wrong either.
Abortion is not wrong because I have no obligation to care for another person/allow him to leech off my person if I don't want to. Nobody has a right to use my body without my permission, as per the right to liberty.
Just because it is the law, does not make it right.
When did I ever argue this? You are strawmanning my arguments.
It does not change the nucleus of the problem.
It is only a cloak and dagger solution to a problem that causes people
internal conflict. It is our sinful nature that cause us to try and appease
ourselves by contrasting the difference between right and wrong.
If ones conscious was clear, then guilt would not be a determining factor.
So homosexuality, like abortion is simply wrong. It is a sin, because it goes
against the Word Of God. Our ways are not His ways.
You still haven't proven that God exists (your justification is that I am stupid and possibly could not understand his ways; that doesn't prove that God exists), that morality objectively comes from him, that he interferes in human lives in a manner consistent with the Bible, and that he promotes the Bible as opposed to the Guru Granth, the Vedas, the Quaran, etc.
So we as mortals cannot legislate or dictate what is right or wrong here on Earth, socially, morally, or psychologically, just because we feel the need to correct natures wrongs.
So you concede that they are wrongs . . .

Why shouldn't we correct them?
Whatever was created, that is what it shall be.
Do you wear clothes, inferno? Clothes were not created by God. Should we walk around naked because "whatever was created, that is what it shall be?"
To question the divine order of things is utterly ridiculous.
How can any logical person justify this.
On the basis that God doesn't exist, that we don't have to be slaves to nature, that anything we do is "unnatural", that there is no link between "unnatural" and "immoral", and anything else that I've discussed with you.

Abortion is wrong, because you are taking away the life of the innocent.
Again, you have a very dysfunctional and warped sense of reality.
And based on how others sometimes respond to you in mind, it is self evident.
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6/28/2012 11:24:15 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/28/2012 11:21:45 AM, inferno wrote:
At 6/28/2012 11:10:48 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/28/2012 11:01:20 AM, inferno wrote:
At 6/28/2012 10:51:18 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
I am honestly fed up with you. You dropped like 90% of my counterarguments and are now claiming that you are correct because your analysis is just inherently true.

There is nothing inherently about this. These other complex issues have
credibility even in a modern day world. Secularism even promotes this.

You are supposing that your analysis is true without justification. You are therefore claiming that your ideas are inherently true. You don't have any logical proof that they are true, however.

False. America is a secular nation. But people are still conflicted. They do not support gay marriage laws.
False again. The majority of Americans support gay marriage.

Overall, 38 percent of those who responded to the survey said same-sex couples should be allowed to marry, just like any other couple. Another 24 percent said civil unions should be used to grant same-sex couples legal rights similar to male-female partnerships. Combined, that means 62 percent - close to two thirds - of Americans believe that same-sex unions should be recognized by law.

http://www.cbsnews.com...
They only wish to pass them in the future because of their own political advantage. It has absolutely nothing to do with their "change"
of beliefs. Most of us know that homosexuality is wrong and would rather our sons and daughters be with someone of the opposite sex. That my dear friend is
a fact, and it will never change. It is not about hate, or dislike.
God loves us all, but He does not love our sin.
You still have not proven that it is sin.
So we must honor Him in all aspects of the word.
To be Like Jesus is the name of the song.
What would Jesus do. He would show His love for all humans,
gay or straight. End of story.
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6/28/2012 11:25:34 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/28/2012 11:23:37 AM, inferno wrote:
At 6/28/2012 11:09:56 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/28/2012 10:59:20 AM, inferno wrote:
At 6/28/2012 10:51:18 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
I am honestly fed up with you. You dropped like 90% of my counterarguments and are now claiming that you are correct because your analysis is just inherently true.

False. The topic is about whether or not homosexuality is wrong.
What makes you think that just becayse we live in a secular world, that abortion is not wrong either.
Abortion is not wrong because I have no obligation to care for another person/allow him to leech off my person if I don't want to. Nobody has a right to use my body without my permission, as per the right to liberty.
Just because it is the law, does not make it right.
When did I ever argue this? You are strawmanning my arguments.
It does not change the nucleus of the problem.
It is only a cloak and dagger solution to a problem that causes people
internal conflict. It is our sinful nature that cause us to try and appease
ourselves by contrasting the difference between right and wrong.
If ones conscious was clear, then guilt would not be a determining factor.
So homosexuality, like abortion is simply wrong. It is a sin, because it goes
against the Word Of God. Our ways are not His ways.
You still haven't proven that God exists (your justification is that I am stupid and possibly could not understand his ways; that doesn't prove that God exists), that morality objectively comes from him, that he interferes in human lives in a manner consistent with the Bible, and that he promotes the Bible as opposed to the Guru Granth, the Vedas, the Quaran, etc.
So we as mortals cannot legislate or dictate what is right or wrong here on Earth, socially, morally, or psychologically, just because we feel the need to correct natures wrongs.
So you concede that they are wrongs . . .

Why shouldn't we correct them?
Whatever was created, that is what it shall be.
Do you wear clothes, inferno? Clothes were not created by God. Should we walk around naked because "whatever was created, that is what it shall be?"
To question the divine order of things is utterly ridiculous.
How can any logical person justify this.
On the basis that God doesn't exist, that we don't have to be slaves to nature, that anything we do is "unnatural", that there is no link between "unnatural" and "immoral", and anything else that I've discussed with you.

Abortion is wrong, because you are taking away the life of the innocent.
That's cool. Nobody has a right to use my body in order to live. It doesn't matter if they would die without leeching off my body; they don't have a right to use it without permission.
Again, you have a very dysfunctional and warped sense of reality.
And based on how others sometimes respond to you in mind, it is self evident.

Back to inherency again?
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6/28/2012 11:27:05 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Here are some more numbers for you, inferno.

http://www.gallup.com...

PRINCETON, NJ -- For the first time in Gallup's tracking of the issue, a majority of Americans (53%) believe same-sex marriage should be recognized by the law as valid, with the same rights as traditional marriages. The increase since last year came exclusively among political independents and Democrats. Republicans' views did not change.
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6/28/2012 11:30:28 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/28/2012 11:24:15 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/28/2012 11:21:45 AM, inferno wrote:
At 6/28/2012 11:10:48 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/28/2012 11:01:20 AM, inferno wrote:
At 6/28/2012 10:51:18 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
I am honestly fed up with you. You dropped like 90% of my counterarguments and are now claiming that you are correct because your analysis is just inherently true.

There is nothing inherently about this. These other complex issues have
credibility even in a modern day world. Secularism even promotes this.

You are supposing that your analysis is true without justification. You are therefore claiming that your ideas are inherently true. You don't have any logical proof that they are true, however.

False. America is a secular nation. But people are still conflicted. They do not support gay marriage laws.
False again. The majority of Americans support gay marriage.

Overall, 38 percent of those who responded to the survey said same-sex couples should be allowed to marry, just like any other couple. Another 24 percent said civil unions should be used to grant same-sex couples legal rights similar to male-female partnerships. Combined, that means 62 percent - close to two thirds - of Americans believe that same-sex unions should be recognized by law.

http://www.cbsnews.com...
They only wish to pass them in the future because of their own political advantage. It has absolutely nothing to do with their "change"
of beliefs. Most of us know that homosexuality is wrong and would rather our sons and daughters be with someone of the opposite sex. That my dear friend is
a fact, and it will never change. It is not about hate, or dislike.
God loves us all, but He does not love our sin.
You still have not proven that it is sin.
So we must honor Him in all aspects of the word.
To be Like Jesus is the name of the song.
What would Jesus do. He would show His love for all humans,
gay or straight. End of story.

Yes, they support it. But their religious beliefs say otherwise.
That too is a fact. Try again. =)
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6/28/2012 11:31:40 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/28/2012 11:30:28 AM, inferno wrote:
At 6/28/2012 11:24:15 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/28/2012 11:21:45 AM, inferno wrote:
At 6/28/2012 11:10:48 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 6/28/2012 11:01:20 AM, inferno wrote:
At 6/28/2012 10:51:18 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
I am honestly fed up with you. You dropped like 90% of my counterarguments and are now claiming that you are correct because your analysis is just inherently true.

There is nothing inherently about this. These other complex issues have
credibility even in a modern day world. Secularism even promotes this.

You are supposing that your analysis is true without justification. You are therefore claiming that your ideas are inherently true. You don't have any logical proof that they are true, however.

False. America is a secular nation. But people are still conflicted. They do not support gay marriage laws.
False again. The majority of Americans support gay marriage.

Overall, 38 percent of those who responded to the survey said same-sex couples should be allowed to marry, just like any other couple. Another 24 percent said civil unions should be used to grant same-sex couples legal rights similar to male-female partnerships. Combined, that means 62 percent - close to two thirds - of Americans believe that same-sex unions should be recognized by law.

http://www.cbsnews.com...
They only wish to pass them in the future because of their own political advantage. It has absolutely nothing to do with their "change"
of beliefs. Most of us know that homosexuality is wrong and would rather our sons and daughters be with someone of the opposite sex. That my dear friend is
a fact, and it will never change. It is not about hate, or dislike.
God loves us all, but He does not love our sin.
You still have not proven that it is sin.
So we must honor Him in all aspects of the word.
To be Like Jesus is the name of the song.
What would Jesus do. He would show His love for all humans,
gay or straight. End of story.

Yes, they support it. But their religious beliefs say otherwise.
That too is a fact. Try again. =)

Who cares what their religious beliefs say? They have literally argued that they support it. Just because their religion says they should not support it doesn't mean that they don't support it, lol.