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Lying among the clergy

Microsuck
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6/29/2012 5:28:33 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
"St. Augustine found lying among the clergy so prevalent that he wrote two books (De Mendacio in 395 A.D. and Contra Mendacium in 420 A.D.), urging that it stop." [Gordon Stein, _A Second Anthology of Atheism and Rationalism_,p. 65]
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annanicole
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6/29/2012 5:50:18 PM
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At 6/29/2012 5:28:33 PM, Microsuck wrote:
"St. Augustine found lying among the clergy so prevalent that he wrote two books (De Mendacio in 395 A.D. and Contra Mendacium in 420 A.D.), urging that it stop." [Gordon Stein, _A Second Anthology of Atheism and Rationalism_,p. 65]

Haven't you ever heard of the peculiar Romish doctrine of "mental reservation"? That means you can lie, but it's not a lie.

"A false statement knowingly made to one who has not the right to the truth will not be a lie." (Cath Encyclopedia, IX, 471)

"Mental reservation is allowable when we are driven into a corner by captious questions." (Question Box, 1929, 433-434)

Also, there is no such thing as "lying among the clergy" because there is no clergy - nor, by elimination, is there a laity. Therefore, a non-existent "clergy" can't lie, and even if they could, it's not a lie - it's "mental reservation."
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Gileandos
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6/29/2012 6:34:08 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/29/2012 5:28:33 PM, Microsuck wrote:
"St. Augustine found lying among the clergy so prevalent that he wrote two books (De Mendacio in 395 A.D. and Contra Mendacium in 420 A.D.), urging that it stop." [Gordon Stein, _A Second Anthology of Atheism and Rationalism_,p. 65]

Dude, completely false. You need to fact check your sources.

Here is the first line of the work De Mendacio. It is about key specific lying, like white lies or when you are in danger etc.

"There is a great question about Lying, which often arises in the midst of our every day business, and gives us much trouble, that we may not either rashly call that a lie which is not such, or decide that it is sometimes right to tell a lie, that is, a kind of honest, well-meant, charitable lie. This question we will painfully discuss by seeking with them that seek: whether to any good purpose, we need not take upon ourselves to affirm, for the attentive reader will sufficiently gather from the course of the discussion."
Stephen_Hawkins
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7/1/2012 1:09:23 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/29/2012 5:50:18 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 6/29/2012 5:28:33 PM, Microsuck wrote:
"St. Augustine found lying among the clergy so prevalent that he wrote two books (De Mendacio in 395 A.D. and Contra Mendacium in 420 A.D.), urging that it stop." [Gordon Stein, _A Second Anthology of Atheism and Rationalism_,p. 65]

Haven't you ever heard of the peculiar Romish doctrine of "mental reservation"? That means you can lie, but it's not a lie.

"A false statement knowingly made to one who has not the right to the truth will not be a lie." (Cath Encyclopedia, IX, 471)

"Mental reservation is allowable when we are driven into a corner by captious questions." (Question Box, 1929, 433-434)

"In De Mendacio [On Lying], Augustine argues against the possibility of their being any occasion in which a conscious utterance of falsehood is not a lie, and concludes that there is no instance in which a lie is not a sin." (http://www.quodlibet.net...)
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