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6/30/2012 2:12:51 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
To hate Jews is to hate God.

If you believe in the sacrifice of Jesus, then you must believe that God planned for it and set the conditions even before the earth was formed. If as most believe, the Jews were the cause of the sacrifice, then one must believe that God put the notion and desire to kill Jesus in the Jewish hearts. Jews then were God's tools in carrying out God's plan. Jews then should be venerated just as Jesus is because Jesus and Jews were required and caused by God to participate in the sacrifice. They were all doing God's will and not their own.

Jesus was a Jew and to hate Jews means that Jesus is also hated. The church has historically persecuted Jews and only repented for their actions in 2011 with the pope acknowledging that not all Jews should be hated. Just those directly involved in the sacrifice of Jesus. Ignoring of course that they were charged directly by God to be and do what God wanted.

http://www.christianpost.com...

Why then have Christians historically hated Jews, and by inference, hate the Jew part of God/Jesus the Jew?

The weird twist to this history is that the Christian right who hates Jews the most, is now the ones pushing for funding of the Jewish homeland to fulfill prophesy.

Most Jews do not believe that Jesus was the messiah. Is the Christian right just funding Jews to help drive them to destruction at the hands of God?

Jews tend not to read the O. T. the way Christians do. Are Christian interpretations of Jewish text superior or inferior to the Jewish interpretation of their own myths?

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6/30/2012 2:13:12 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I asked a well-informed Jewish friend to comment before I posted this and this is what he had to say.

Modern Jews and ancient Jews for one. I suppose you are concerned about modern Jewish opinion. Yes, some modern Jews are concerned that Christian Right support isn't for the best, that there is a hidden agenda to benefit Christian Right at the expense of Jews. Other modern Jews (particularly Israeli Right) don't care if there is a hidden agenda or not, they are happy to take anyone's support. These same cynical guys gave and took support from White S African racists (prior to Mandela liberation) and supported the White S African nuclear weapons program. Such people are typically atheist Israeli Jews BTW. Religious Jews generally distrust any Christians bearing gifts (they are Greeks of a sort anyway). Atheists Jews aren't particular, they will take support from anyone (see their behavior in the early Soviet Union). Modern Israel was founded by atheist socialist Jews (the Bund). Religious Jews prior to 1948 and some even prior to 1967 did not believe that Israel should be re-established, without the Messiah. Some religious Jews still believe this (Naturei Karta) and these Jews have cordial relations with Hamas. Such Jews of course would be anathema to the Christian Right. The Christian Right doesn't mind atheist Jews, because they believe all Jews atheist or not will be damned by G-d. Some of the Christian Right also believe that the Jews are not real Jews, only Gentiles are Jews (at least some are seen as such, such as the British Royal Family ... see Anglo-American Israelitism). Many Gentiles believe that modern Jews are of impure "race" anyway, or are even nephelim (angelic spawned demons). A good book on the death of Jesus (at least in literature if not in fact) is "Who Killed Jesus?" by John Dominic Crossan.

Actually I would say that to hate anyone, is to hate G-d ... so some of the verses of the Bible are clearly not inspired, because hate is talked about positively at times. It is possible that some verses are meant ironically. The other thing your scheme implies is that of Pauline predetermination. Paul clearly went beyond predestination to predetermination. He didn't believe in free will, and pointedly talked about his lack of free will, and resulting lack of responsibility, in the beginning of the Epistle to the Romans. In no way did Jesus ever talk in those terms, but then Paul wasn't a follower of the fictional synoptic Jesus (aka a historical Jesus), but of a gnostic angelic figure (vision on the road to Damascus) more like the Johannine Jesus. I don't believe the idea of a realistic Jesus even occurred to anyone until after the destruction of Jerusalem, which was after Paul's death. The realistic synoptic Jesus was turned into the historical Jesus by Christian argumentation. The actual Johannine gospel came last, but its ideas were first, having been written in reaction to the synoptic Jesus, who was written in reaction to the Gnostic Jesus aka Avalokiteshvara and the Gnostic Virgin Mary (Prajnaparamita).

There are lots of reasons for Christians to hate Jews and vice versa:
http://www.bbc.co.uk...

But I don't think it has ever been legitimate, that is ... it is an expression of sin not virtue. Christians and Muslims should especially value Jewish people, but they are violent, immoral, jealous, stupid (well that is the Jewish stereotype).

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6/30/2012 2:47:20 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
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6/30/2012 8:38:28 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Pat Condell is probably the wittiest atheist rhetorician I know.
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7/2/2012 12:32:21 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/30/2012 2:27:57 PM, Wnope wrote:
So....if we hate God, do we hate Jews?

No.
I can't blame or fault anyone bright enough and moral enough to hate a genocidal son murdering prick.
In fact, I praise such.

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7/2/2012 12:33:23 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 6/30/2012 8:38:28 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Pat Condell is probably the wittiest atheist rhetorician I know.

I like his turn of phrase as well.

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9/27/2014 7:15:20 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
they give very valid reasons here:
http://listovative.com...

At 7/2/2012 12:33:23 PM, GreatestIam wrote:
At 6/30/2012 8:38:28 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Pat Condell is probably the wittiest atheist rhetorician I know.

I like his turn of phrase as well.

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9/29/2014 6:34:06 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/27/2014 7:15:20 AM, bigbull wrote:
they give very valid reasons here:
http://listovative.com...

At 7/2/2012 12:33:23 PM, GreatestIam wrote:
At 6/30/2012 8:38:28 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Pat Condell is probably the wittiest atheist rhetorician I know.

I like his turn of phrase as well.

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DL

Did you say valid?

Which point is the most valid?

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9/29/2014 6:53:33 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
I do not hate anybody, even if I hated somebody, I would never hate somebody just bencause his/her nationality is jew/any nationality.

About God? I would probably hate him if he existed.
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9/29/2014 6:56:16 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
lol hating jews you hating God...... yeah you believe that jews killed God because they said he is fake and his mother was a whore...... thats funny come to isreal see what jews saying about your mother of God, even is the bible God punishs the jews many times. no God doesnt and wont choose only one nation and regard the rest (majoraty of the humankind) as gentiles as rubbish comparing to the jews. God is just if he choose only jews God is a recist and thats ridiculous. the bueatiful in islam is the defination of who is better than others-

49:13 quran
O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female and made you peoples and tribes that you may know one another. Indeed, the most noble of you in the sight of Allah/God is the most righteous/Godfearing of you. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Acquainted.

its not about nation race or stupid things like that.
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9/29/2014 8:07:00 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
I don't hate Jews, I only take pleasure in euthanising them, but hating them is a stretch too far.
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9/29/2014 8:35:20 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 6/30/2012 2:12:51 PM, GreatestIam wrote:
To hate Jews is to hate God.

If you believe in the sacrifice of Jesus, then you must believe that God planned for it and set the conditions even before the earth was formed. If as most believe, the Jews were the cause of the sacrifice, then one must believe that God put the notion and desire to kill Jesus in the Jewish hearts. Jews then were God's tools in carrying out God's plan. Jews then should be venerated just as Jesus is because Jesus and Jews were required and caused by God to participate in the sacrifice. They were all doing God's will and not their own.

Jesus was a Jew and to hate Jews means that Jesus is also hated. The church has historically persecuted Jews and only repented for their actions in 2011 with the pope acknowledging that not all Jews should be hated. Just those directly involved in the sacrifice of Jesus. Ignoring of course that they were charged directly by God to be and do what God wanted.

http://www.christianpost.com...

Why then have Christians historically hated Jews, and by inference, hate the Jew part of God/Jesus the Jew?







The weird twist to this history is that the Christian right who hates Jews the most, is now the ones pushing for funding of the Jewish homeland to fulfill prophesy.

That's because we don't hate Jews.

Most Jews do not believe that Jesus was the messiah. Is the Christian right just funding Jews to help drive them to destruction at the hands of God?

Jews tend not to read the O. T. the way Christians do. Are Christian interpretations of Jewish text superior or inferior to the Jewish interpretation of their own myths?

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9/30/2014 7:43:33 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/29/2014 6:53:33 PM, Artur wrote:
I do not hate anybody, even if I hated somebody, I would never hate somebody just bencause his/her nationality is jew/any nationality.

About God? I would probably hate him if he existed.

As we all should. Invisible masters are nasty.

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9/30/2014 7:47:20 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/29/2014 6:56:16 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
lol hating jews you hating God...... yeah you believe that jews killed God because they said he is fake and his mother was a whore...... thats funny come to isreal see what jews saying about your mother of God, even is the bible God punishs the jews many times. no God doesnt and wont choose only one nation and regard the rest (majoraty of the humankind) as gentiles as rubbish comparing to the jews. God is just if he choose only jews God is a recist and thats ridiculous. the bueatiful in islam is the defination of who is better than others-

49:13 quran
O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female and made you peoples and tribes that you may know one another. Indeed, the most noble of you in the sight of Allah/God is the most righteous/Godfearing of you. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Acquainted.

its not about nation race or stupid things like that.

Sure but Allah screwed up when he created male and female. He forgot to make all souls equal and your female souls your have oppressed.

Beautiful Islam for men perhaps but certainly not for women.

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9/30/2014 8:00:36 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
MCB & his aupposed preferred Cult the Botchtower hated Jews so much that Rutherford wrote to Hitler promoting Hitler's murderous & Jew exterminating regime -

Following is part of an English translation of (Rutherford's) Letter to Hitler.

"Dear Reichskanzler,
" The Brooklyn headquarter of the Watchtower Society is pro German in an exemplary way and has been so for many years. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . We . . . . . . . . want to assure our highest respect to you, honorable Mr. Reichskanzler.

Yours faithfully,
Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society Magdeburg" >(Source: http://www.jwfacts.com...)

NB: Honorable & highly respected Hitler says the head of the Botchtower !

MCB's psychosis will likely produce yet another of his psychotic denials!

Too bad MCB, your denials as always mean nothing of value for your already defeated cause!
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9/30/2014 2:38:30 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/30/2014 7:47:20 AM, GreatestIam wrote:
At 9/29/2014 6:56:16 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
lol hating jews you hating God...... yeah you believe that jews killed God because they said he is fake and his mother was a whore...... thats funny come to isreal see what jews saying about your mother of God, even is the bible God punishs the jews many times. no God doesnt and wont choose only one nation and regard the rest (majoraty of the humankind) as gentiles as rubbish comparing to the jews. God is just if he choose only jews God is a recist and thats ridiculous. the bueatiful in islam is the defination of who is better than others-

49:13 quran
O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female and made you peoples and tribes that you may know one another. Indeed, the most noble of you in the sight of Allah/God is the most righteous/Godfearing of you. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Acquainted.

its not about nation race or stupid things like that.

Sure but Allah screwed up when he created male and female. He forgot to make all souls equal and your female souls your have oppressed.

Beautiful Islam for men perhaps but certainly not for women.

Regards
DL

your problem is you think they are oppresed actually in reality they are liberated. so your mind telling you that women in the west goes around every day with make ups, trying to be the most beaufiful woman, the clothes and the high heels and all of that for the people how they look at her what low disgusting life... be your self and thats it... yeah all day they are in metal pressure, competing with one another with worldly things... islam frees you from that bullsh1t from metirail thinking to spiritual one.... our happiness is only by obey God and doing righteous deeds, this is our goal, its not about material low things. yeah if you are not beautiful you are rubbish in the west you are not to be used as they say.... if you are rich or have a nice car freinds will be licking your @ss all day... think outside the box.
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9/30/2014 2:40:08 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/30/2014 2:38:30 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
At 9/30/2014 7:47:20 AM, GreatestIam wrote:
At 9/29/2014 6:56:16 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
lol hating jews you hating God...... yeah you believe that jews killed God because they said he is fake and his mother was a whore...... thats funny come to isreal see what jews saying about your mother of God, even is the bible God punishs the jews many times. no God doesnt and wont choose only one nation and regard the rest (majoraty of the humankind) as gentiles as rubbish comparing to the jews. God is just if he choose only jews God is a recist and thats ridiculous. the bueatiful in islam is the defination of who is better than others-

49:13 quran
O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female and made you peoples and tribes that you may know one another. Indeed, the most noble of you in the sight of Allah/God is the most righteous/Godfearing of you. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Acquainted.

its not about nation race or stupid things like that.

Sure but Allah screwed up when he created male and female. He forgot to make all souls equal and your female souls your have oppressed.

Beautiful Islam for men perhaps but certainly not for women.

Regards
DL

your problem is you think they are oppresed actually in reality they are liberated. so your mind telling you that women in the west goes around every day with make ups, trying to be the most beaufiful woman, the clothes and the high heels and all of that for the people how they look at her what low disgusting life... be your self and thats it... yeah all day they are in metal pressure, competing with one another with worldly things... islam frees you from that bullsh1t from metirail thinking to spiritual one.... our happiness is only by obey God and doing righteous deeds, this is our goal, its not about material low things. yeah if you are not beautiful you are rubbish in the west you are not to be used as they say.... if you are rich or have a nice car freinds will be licking your @ss all day... think outside the box.

mental** lol
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9/30/2014 2:43:38 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/30/2014 2:38:30 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
At 9/30/2014 7:47:20 AM, GreatestIam wrote:
At 9/29/2014 6:56:16 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
lol hating jews you hating God...... yeah you believe that jews killed God because they said he is fake and his mother was a whore...... thats funny come to isreal see what jews saying about your mother of God, even is the bible God punishs the jews many times. no God doesnt and wont choose only one nation and regard the rest (majoraty of the humankind) as gentiles as rubbish comparing to the jews. God is just if he choose only jews God is a recist and thats ridiculous. the bueatiful in islam is the defination of who is better than others-

49:13 quran
O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female and made you peoples and tribes that you may know one another. Indeed, the most noble of you in the sight of Allah/God is the most righteous/Godfearing of you. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Acquainted.

its not about nation race or stupid things like that.

Sure but Allah screwed up when he created male and female. He forgot to make all souls equal and your female souls your have oppressed.

Beautiful Islam for men perhaps but certainly not for women.

Regards
DL

your problem is you think they are oppresed actually in reality they are liberated. so your mind telling you that women in the west goes around every day with make ups, trying to be the most beaufiful woman, the clothes and the high heels and all of that for the people how they look at her what low disgusting life... be your self and thats it... yeah all day they are in metal pressure, competing with one another with worldly things... islam frees you from that bullsh1t from metirail thinking to spiritual one.... our happiness is only by obey God and doing righteous deeds, this is our goal, its not about material low things. yeah if you are not beautiful you are rubbish in the west you are not to be used as they say.... if you are rich or have a nice car freinds will be licking your @ss all day... think outside the box.

Men try to make themselves look cool or masculine; sometimes this can cause stress. Should men not try to be masculine according to Islam?
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9/30/2014 2:48:54 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/30/2014 2:43:38 PM, LogicalLunatic wrote:
At 9/30/2014 2:38:30 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
At 9/30/2014 7:47:20 AM, GreatestIam wrote:
At 9/29/2014 6:56:16 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
lol hating jews you hating God...... yeah you believe that jews killed God because they said he is fake and his mother was a whore...... thats funny come to isreal see what jews saying about your mother of God, even is the bible God punishs the jews many times. no God doesnt and wont choose only one nation and regard the rest (majoraty of the humankind) as gentiles as rubbish comparing to the jews. God is just if he choose only jews God is a recist and thats ridiculous. the bueatiful in islam is the defination of who is better than others-

49:13 quran
O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female and made you peoples and tribes that you may know one another. Indeed, the most noble of you in the sight of Allah/God is the most righteous/Godfearing of you. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Acquainted.

its not about nation race or stupid things like that.

Sure but Allah screwed up when he created male and female. He forgot to make all souls equal and your female souls your have oppressed.

Beautiful Islam for men perhaps but certainly not for women.

Regards
DL

your problem is you think they are oppresed actually in reality they are liberated. so your mind telling you that women in the west goes around every day with make ups, trying to be the most beaufiful woman, the clothes and the high heels and all of that for the people how they look at her what low disgusting life... be your self and thats it... yeah all day they are in metal pressure, competing with one another with worldly things... islam frees you from that bullsh1t from metirail thinking to spiritual one.... our happiness is only by obey God and doing righteous deeds, this is our goal, its not about material low things. yeah if you are not beautiful you are rubbish in the west you are not to be used as they say.... if you are rich or have a nice car freinds will be licking your @ss all day... think outside the box.

Men try to make themselves look cool or masculine; sometimes this can cause stress. Should men not try to be masculine according to Islam?

im not saying its all forbidden.... but its not our primary goal, for example in islam women can wear golds and men cant, whats the problem trying to look beautiful only to your wife/husband and not all the people around you? secondly it has no real value in islam, whats is important is to be morally good.
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9/30/2014 2:49:56 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/30/2014 2:48:54 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
At 9/30/2014 2:43:38 PM, LogicalLunatic wrote:
At 9/30/2014 2:38:30 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
At 9/30/2014 7:47:20 AM, GreatestIam wrote:
At 9/29/2014 6:56:16 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
lol hating jews you hating God...... yeah you believe that jews killed God because they said he is fake and his mother was a whore...... thats funny come to isreal see what jews saying about your mother of God, even is the bible God punishs the jews many times. no God doesnt and wont choose only one nation and regard the rest (majoraty of the humankind) as gentiles as rubbish comparing to the jews. God is just if he choose only jews God is a recist and thats ridiculous. the bueatiful in islam is the defination of who is better than others-

49:13 quran
O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female and made you peoples and tribes that you may know one another. Indeed, the most noble of you in the sight of Allah/God is the most righteous/Godfearing of you. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Acquainted.

its not about nation race or stupid things like that.

Sure but Allah screwed up when he created male and female. He forgot to make all souls equal and your female souls your have oppressed.

Beautiful Islam for men perhaps but certainly not for women.

Regards
DL

your problem is you think they are oppresed actually in reality they are liberated. so your mind telling you that women in the west goes around every day with make ups, trying to be the most beaufiful woman, the clothes and the high heels and all of that for the people how they look at her what low disgusting life... be your self and thats it... yeah all day they are in metal pressure, competing with one another with worldly things... islam frees you from that bullsh1t from metirail thinking to spiritual one.... our happiness is only by obey God and doing righteous deeds, this is our goal, its not about material low things. yeah if you are not beautiful you are rubbish in the west you are not to be used as they say.... if you are rich or have a nice car freinds will be licking your @ss all day... think outside the box.

Men try to make themselves look cool or masculine; sometimes this can cause stress. Should men not try to be masculine according to Islam?

im not saying its all forbidden.... but its not our primary goal.

I can understand that.
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9/30/2014 2:55:02 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/30/2014 2:49:56 PM, LogicalLunatic wrote:
At 9/30/2014 2:48:54 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
At 9/30/2014 2:43:38 PM, LogicalLunatic wrote:
At 9/30/2014 2:38:30 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
At 9/30/2014 7:47:20 AM, GreatestIam wrote:
At 9/29/2014 6:56:16 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
lol hating jews you hating God...... yeah you believe that jews killed God because they said he is fake and his mother was a whore...... thats funny come to isreal see what jews saying about your mother of God, even is the bible God punishs the jews many times. no God doesnt and wont choose only one nation and regard the rest (majoraty of the humankind) as gentiles as rubbish comparing to the jews. God is just if he choose only jews God is a recist and thats ridiculous. the bueatiful in islam is the defination of who is better than others-

49:13 quran
O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female and made you peoples and tribes that you may know one another. Indeed, the most noble of you in the sight of Allah/God is the most righteous/Godfearing of you. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Acquainted.

its not about nation race or stupid things like that.

Sure but Allah screwed up when he created male and female. He forgot to make all souls equal and your female souls your have oppressed.

Beautiful Islam for men perhaps but certainly not for women.

Regards
DL

your problem is you think they are oppresed actually in reality they are liberated. so your mind telling you that women in the west goes around every day with make ups, trying to be the most beaufiful woman, the clothes and the high heels and all of that for the people how they look at her what low disgusting life... be your self and thats it... yeah all day they are in metal pressure, competing with one another with worldly things... islam frees you from that bullsh1t from metirail thinking to spiritual one.... our happiness is only by obey God and doing righteous deeds, this is our goal, its not about material low things. yeah if you are not beautiful you are rubbish in the west you are not to be used as they say.... if you are rich or have a nice car freinds will be licking your @ss all day... think outside the box.

Men try to make themselves look cool or masculine; sometimes this can cause stress. Should men not try to be masculine according to Islam?

im not saying its all forbidden.... but its not our primary goal.

I can understand that.

i mean you can enjoy life but not taking it as primary goal... if you have it some money big house its good and if you dont have it its good also, there is no real value of it you need to be satify with all becasue its all for God and our love for God is better from anything else.
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9/30/2014 5:35:04 PM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/30/2014 2:48:54 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
At 9/30/2014 2:43:38 PM, LogicalLunatic wrote:


im not saying its all forbidden.... but its not our primary goal, for example in islam women can wear golds and men cant, whats the problem trying to look beautiful only to your wife/husband and not all the people around you? secondly it has no real value in islam, whats is important is to be morally good.

Morally good is subjective and most think that righteousness is attached to equality. At least it is in Gnostic Christianity.

You cannot be moral while discriminating against women and gays without a just cause.

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9/30/2014 9:37:53 PM
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At 9/30/2014 5:35:04 PM, GreatestIam wrote:
At 9/30/2014 2:48:54 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
At 9/30/2014 2:43:38 PM, LogicalLunatic wrote:


im not saying its all forbidden.... but its not our primary goal, for example in islam women can wear golds and men cant, whats the problem trying to look beautiful only to your wife/husband and not all the people around you? secondly it has no real value in islam, whats is important is to be morally good.

Morally good is subjective and most think that righteousness is attached to equality. At least it is in Gnostic Christianity.

You cannot be moral while discriminating against women and gays without a just cause.

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DL.

true that morally according to the Quran... islam doesnt discriminate women and to the gay stuff its not permissible to have sex of 2 men. thats according to Qunra and Bible so what you talking about?
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10/1/2014 8:07:28 AM
Posted: 2 years ago
At 9/30/2014 9:37:53 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
At 9/30/2014 5:35:04 PM, GreatestIam wrote:
At 9/30/2014 2:48:54 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
At 9/30/2014 2:43:38 PM, LogicalLunatic wrote:


im not saying its all forbidden.... but its not our primary goal, for example in islam women can wear golds and men cant, whats the problem trying to look beautiful only to your wife/husband and not all the people around you? secondly it has no real value in islam, whats is important is to be morally good.

Morally good is subjective and most think that righteousness is attached to equality. At least it is in Gnostic Christianity.

You cannot be moral while discriminating against women and gays without a just cause.

Regards
DL.

true that morally according to the Quran... islam doesnt discriminate women and to the gay stuff its not permissible to have sex of 2 men. thats according to Qunra and Bible so what you talking about?

According to your Qu'ran, it takes the testimony of two women to weigh as much as the testimony of a man. That is pure discrimination. Think as a woman and see it you think that is justice.

Either you do not know your religion or you have never read your book.

I hope you can open your eyes.

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DL