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EvanK
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7/13/2012 11:58:31 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Hello everyone!

I'm bored, and wanted to have a discussion. I don't believe any religions are true, particularly Christian religions. Try and prove me wrong. I will try and leave out the obvious cliches like "where's the garden of Eden", and others that don't really move this along. Some arguments have been heard, I know, but who doesn't like a good ol' religious smackdo-...er, I mean discussion XD

Also, this post will likely be long, so I apologize. I'm obviously bored, and just feel like posting some arguments for you to refute.

Without further ado, try and prove me wrong, and I will try and do the same (sorry for any delays in my responses).

First off, most Christians seem to agree that the Earth is roughly 6000-8000 years old (beginning between 4000-6000 BC), and yet scientists have proven that the Earth is are 4.5 billion years old. There is evidence of civilizations 10,000 years and older, and a discovery of fossilized human feces points toward human civilization on the west coast of America around 13,500 years ago. So right away, we see that Christianity is contradicting scientific facts.

Secondly, There's the bible. Not only do they believe that the earth is only a few thousand years old, they apparently believe we walked with the dinosaurs. They believe that he Earth was created in 7 days, and that Adam and Eve were the first inhabitants. This creates a few problems. First, incest is wrong. And yet we apparently came from the children of Adam and Eve, meaning that in order to populate, their children had to reproduce together. And yet incest is wrong. (I am 100% against incest, but according to the bible, this is how we came to be). Secondly, we have the problem with race. Most people believe that Adam and Eve were in the Middle East. Ok. So we now have Jews, Whites, Blacks, Indians (both from India and American Indians), Asians, Russians, the different Europeans (just saying "white isn't enough, there's a big difference between a French person and an Italian, and an Irish, and so forth). Then, we have the idea that human sinfulness came to be because Eve got tempted by a talking snake not to eat an apple...Yeah...nothing weird about that is there?

There are plenty others, but another bible story I don't get is Noah's ark. Somehow, a 600 year old man built a boat the size of the Titanic, with only a few others. He somehow made this, supposedly, out of gopher wood, I'm assuming with wooden pegs instead of nails, and somehow, everything kept together. Then, he somehow got all of the species of animals and bugs and such, onto the boat. Penguin, polar bears, dogs, cats. Wild animals such as lions, tigers and bears. Bugs of every sort. All of them. He also fit enough supplies for *everyone* and *everything* on that boat, for 40 days. Then, the world wide flood part. It is impossible for the world to be engulfed in a flood. Weather patterns don't work that way. In other words, the Black Sea flooded, and because that area was all that existed to these people, "the world flooded". Doesn't bring me any close to believing in God. Especially since the motive behind this flood, was for the all loving, all forgiving father figure that is God, to wipe out most of the human race. Yep. Sure. Don't have any problem believing that.

And, from the Christian perspective, why wouldn't God make it more obvious to the Jews that Jesus was their Savior? They were, afterall, the chosen people? They served his will, and worshipped him, and he basically sent them a joke Saviour. They had nothing to go by, but assumed he'd be a great King, who would free them from oppression. Instead, he sent a carpenter to a poor family, who claims his Mother was a virgin, and spent his free time preaching things that were quite different from the modern teachings of their time.

On the note of the Jewish God, why was he such a prick in the Old Testement? The New Testement God preaches love and forgiveness, whereas the Old Testement God wiped out large groups of people, more than once, and told Moses he couldn't enter the promised land because he once, for a split second, doubted in God. Big difference in the two books.

One other thing has to do with modern times. God never shows up anymore. In the bible, he appeared to people and did miracles a lot more than today (both God the Father and Jesus). Nowadays, we think God just appears in our thoughts, as it's the only way to justify his existence and absence on Earth. We say "Christianity" is the truth, and yet there are so many different types of Christianity, most promising eternal damnnation if you don't believe. And who does God put in charge of preaching the truth? Who else, but Humans! Humans who are flawed, and can twist his word and make it mean whatever they want. Plenty are rich, others are pedophiles, others aren't really even Christian at all. We measure our levels of Christianity based on what we "believe" rather than what we do. Baptism holds more weight towards your afterlife than your actions.

So, what say you? XD

PS, this is the result of a bored person with nothing better to do. In the grand scheme of things, I don't care what you believe and mean no offense towards religious folk.
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7/14/2012 1:56:01 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/13/2012 11:58:31 PM, EvanK wrote:
Hello everyone!


(Just responded to some of it)

First off, most Christians seem to agree that the Earth is roughly 6000-8000 years old (beginning between 4000-6000 BC), and yet scientists have proven that the Earth is are 4.5 billion years old. There is evidence of civilizations 10,000 years and older, and a discovery of fossilized human feces points toward human civilization on the west coast of America around 13,500 years ago. So right away, we see that Christianity is contradicting scientific facts.


Many interpretations of genesis. Some of which include the earth being ~13.7billion years old. In his debates, William Lane Craig argues from this perspective. My apologetics teacher also hold to old earth creationism. As for me, ehh not sure what I believe yet. Regardless, there is a lot of Christians who do not hold to literal 7 day creationism.

Secondly, There's the bible. Not only do they believe that the earth is only a few thousand years old, they apparently believe we walked with the dinosaurs. They believe that he Earth was created in 7 days, and that Adam and Eve were the first inhabitants. This creates a few problems. First, incest is wrong. And yet we apparently came from the children of Adam and Eve, meaning that in order to populate, their children had to reproduce together. And yet incest is wrong. (I am 100% against incest, but according to the bible, this is how we came to be). Secondly, we have the problem with race. Most people believe that Adam and Eve were in the Middle East. Ok. So we now have Jews, Whites, Blacks, Indians (both from India and American Indians), Asians, Russians, the different Europeans (just saying "white isn't enough, there's a big difference between a French person and an Italian, and an Irish, and so forth). Then, we have the idea that human sinfulness came to be because Eve got tempted by a talking snake not to eat an apple...Yeah...nothing weird about that is there?


Lots in here but I want to address the last part. You are very skeptical about the talking snake story because you have an implied premise that the supernatural cannot and will not occur. However, your conclusion that the talking snake story could not have occurred is the result of an assumption that the supernatural cannot occur.