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7/22/2012 4:37:12 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
I say, it is more likely that God is just an idea.

Definitions:

God =A supernatural transcendent being that is believed to have created the universe and humans.

Create = To make something, to bring something into existence whether it be a physical object or just an idea.

Human = A member of the genus Homo and especially of the species H. sapiens

A psychological necessity to reduce 'cognitive dissonance'[A]

During the time of early humans the world was a frightening place to survive in. Early humans needed a way to help them understand the natural world, when natural phenomenon could not be understood-God was the answer.They also needed a way to deal with their own imperfections. A God with attributes like perfection, wisdom and strength may have helped them on a psychological level.

Humans have created God to not only give meaning to life, but they make God perfect, because it gives them something to strive towards. The *Greeks believed in honor and war and a God who is fierce, because that was their idea of the perfect human. Of course the idea of a perfect human has changed. The perfect human is forgiving, loving, and will bring happiness and peace. Jesus Christ, as the bible said, the perfect human. What would Jesus do? The bible pushes us to act like Christ.

God displays humanistic characteristics that suggests he is neither all powerful or all knowing, therefore, suggesting human origins.

Physical, psychological and emotional similarities:

Why does God need us to worship him/her/it? If God was a superior being, he would not express anger to problems caused by humanism. Therefore, we can postulate that he is a man made construct because God is a *victim of humanism. The need for us to worship him and God's need for: recoginition, acceptance, love. Further more, why does God get angry? [1] If God truly exists, he would be all powerful and knowing. This in of its self would prevent God from acting or thinking like a human being, with emotions. But because God displays characteristics of man, we can most likely categorize God as a man made construct.
(*What I mean by "victim": To be affected in a negative way.)

What does God look like, and what is his position on humanistic issues? Look to religion, and you will see man made constructs that are the criteria of man's racism, sexism, slavery and culture.

"God"displays characteristics that are comparable to that of the male ego:

In *Greek mythology or *Norse mythology, why are the all powerful dieities men?

Why is God often described as a man, or why are all of the most important and powerful Gods placed in the bodies of men?

In almost every culture, women play a secondary role in society, and even in western culture and religion this remains true. God, if he existed, would have told his first followers that he was an 'IT' not man, not women. Yet, looking at all the hymns, paintings and writings, what do they refer to God as? He. Not she, because Judeo-Christian based religions is suggestive of *sexism.

*sexism in the Bible:

'And to the woman [God] said, ‘I will make most severe your pains in childbearing; in pain shall you bear children. Yet your urge shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you."-Genesis 3:16

"Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church'-1 Corinthians 14:34-35

'A womanshould learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man, she must be quiet.'-1 Timothy 2:11-12

Did God create man to his own image or is it just the reverse? Let's have a look at the characteristics of God, it's very strangely to what we would want him to be.

Man's greatest fears are: Loneliness, sickness, death and all that is taken care of by God.

*God Characteristics:

We don't like being alone: *God is omnipresent (even when no one is with us) and is with us at all times; he never let's us down.

We want some comfort especially through difficult times: *God is always with us and will help us when

We are in trouble We want to be forgiven for what wrong we have done and be able to start again with a clean slate: *God forgives.

We don't want things to end when we die – humans fear Death: *God never gives up on us even when we die; instead we are brought closer to God, in paradise.

We don't like unfairness: *God sees all and punishes unfairness.
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7/22/2012 8:07:38 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Unfortunately, something can be experienced that some humans sincerely believe is God and nothing can convince them it wasn't. Not science replicating similar sensations through manipulating the brain. Not exposed liars and charlatans. Not any kind of logic that we understand.

Nothing.

It's in the culture. Ingrained in people from birth, perhaps even beyond birth. For all I know, we could have an evolutionary disposition to 'faith in God'; can anyone tell me whether the part/s of the brain which could theoretically cause a God sensation (or any sensation) could be passed down genetically?
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7/22/2012 8:37:14 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/22/2012 8:07:38 AM, tvellalott wrote:
Unfortunately, something can be experienced that some humans sincerely believe is God and nothing can convince them it wasn't. Not science replicating similar sensations through manipulating the brain. Not exposed liars and charlatans. Not any kind of logic that we understand.

Nothing.

It's in the culture. Ingrained in people from birth, perhaps even beyond birth. For all I know, we could have an evolutionary disposition to 'faith in God'; can anyone tell me whether the part/s of the brain which could theoretically cause a God sensation (or any sensation) could be passed down genetically?

The Fool: No its from child hood. The idea of God in learned in childhood. You caretaker appears to know everything, they create things. They created you, protect you, They know what what is best for you. They make the rules. They explain things to you. All the ideas of God are confounded by The Idea of a caretake. They have powers you don't understand how.. right?

You father.(also possibly male bias) You are the children. These ideas confound the orgins of all related principles. Logically this is called a CONFOUND.
"The bud disappears when the blossom breaks through, and we might say that the former is refuted by the latter; in the same way when the fruit comes, the blossom may be explained to be a false form of the plant's existence, for the fruit appears as its true nature in place of the blossom. These stages are not merely differentiated; they supplant one another as being incompatible with one another." G. W. F. HEGEL
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7/23/2012 1:38:23 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/22/2012 8:37:14 AM, The_Fool_on_the_hill wrote:
At 7/22/2012 8:07:38 AM, tvellalott wrote:
Unfortunately, something can be experienced that some humans sincerely believe is God and nothing can convince them it wasn't. Not science replicating similar sensations through manipulating the brain. Not exposed liars and charlatans. Not any kind of logic that we understand.

Nothing.

It's in the culture. Ingrained in people from birth, perhaps even beyond birth. For all I know, we could have an evolutionary disposition to 'faith in God'; can anyone tell me whether the part/s of the brain which could theoretically cause a God sensation (or any sensation) could be passed down genetically?

The Fool: No its from child hood. The idea of God in learned in childhood. You caretaker appears to know everything, they create things. They created you, protect you, They know what what is best for you. They make the rules. They explain things to you. All the ideas of God are confounded by The Idea of a caretake. They have powers you don't understand how.. right?

You father.(also possibly male bias) You are the children. These ideas confound the orgins of all related principles. Logically this is called a CONFOUND.

Dafuq?
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7/23/2012 1:42:41 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/22/2012 8:37:14 AM, The_Fool_on_the_hill wrote:

The Fool: No its from child hood. The idea of God in learned in childhood.

Genetic fallacy
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7/23/2012 7:11:43 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/23/2012 1:42:41 AM, stubs wrote:
At 7/22/2012 8:37:14 AM, The_Fool_on_the_hill wrote:

The Fool: No its from child hood. The idea of God in learned in childhood.

Genetic fallacy

The Fool: No its not. and you have to show why its a Genetic fallacy, not just write the word. Secondly you left out the rest of the arguement on purpose.
"The bud disappears when the blossom breaks through, and we might say that the former is refuted by the latter; in the same way when the fruit comes, the blossom may be explained to be a false form of the plant's existence, for the fruit appears as its true nature in place of the blossom. These stages are not merely differentiated; they supplant one another as being incompatible with one another." G. W. F. HEGEL
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7/23/2012 7:13:59 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/23/2012 7:11:43 AM, The_Fool_on_the_hill wrote:
At 7/23/2012 1:42:41 AM, stubs wrote:
At 7/22/2012 8:37:14 AM, The_Fool_on_the_hill wrote:

The Fool: No its from child hood. The idea of God in learned in childhood.

Genetic fallacy

The Fool: No its not. and you have to show why its a Genetic fallacy, not just write the word. Secondly you left out the rest of the arguement on purpose.

The Fool: You caretaker appears to know everything, they create things. They created you, protect you, They know what what is best for you. They make the rules. They explain things to you. All the ideas of God are confounded by The Idea of a caretake. They have powers you don't understand how.. right?
You father.(also possibly male bias) You are the children. These ideas confound the orgins of all related principles. Logically this is called a CONFOUND.
"The bud disappears when the blossom breaks through, and we might say that the former is refuted by the latter; in the same way when the fruit comes, the blossom may be explained to be a false form of the plant's existence, for the fruit appears as its true nature in place of the blossom. These stages are not merely differentiated; they supplant one another as being incompatible with one another." G. W. F. HEGEL
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7/23/2012 10:58:06 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/23/2012 7:11:43 AM, The_Fool_on_the_hill wrote:
At 7/23/2012 1:42:41 AM, stubs wrote:
At 7/22/2012 8:37:14 AM, The_Fool_on_the_hill wrote:

The Fool: No its from child hood. The idea of God in learned in childhood.

Genetic fallacy

The Fool: No its not. and you have to show why its a Genetic fallacy, not just write the word. Secondly you left out the rest of the arguement on purpose.

Okay. It's the genetic fallacy because you're saying since we know it's from childhood it's therefore false. Secondly yeah I left it out because it was irrelevant to what I was saying.
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7/23/2012 11:22:40 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/22/2012 4:37:12 AM, ATHOS wrote:
I say, it is more likely that God is just an idea.

Definitions:

God =A supernatural transcendent being that is believed to have created the universe and humans.

Create = To make something, to bring something into existence whether it be a physical object or just an idea.

Human = A member of the genus Homo and especially of the species H. sapiens

A psychological necessity to reduce 'cognitive dissonance'[A]

During the time of early humans the world was a frightening place to survive in. Early humans needed a way to help them understand the natural world, when natural phenomenon could not be understood-God was the answer.They also needed a way to deal with their own imperfections. A God with attributes like perfection, wisdom and strength may have helped them on a psychological level.

Humans have created God to not only give meaning to life, but they make God perfect, because it gives them something to strive towards. The *Greeks believed in honor and war and a God who is fierce, because that was their idea of the perfect human. Of course the idea of a perfect human has changed. The perfect human is forgiving, loving, and will bring happiness and peace. Jesus Christ, as the bible said, the perfect human. What would Jesus do? The bible pushes us to act like Christ.


God displays humanistic characteristics that suggests he is neither all powerful or all knowing, therefore, suggesting human origins.

Physical, psychological and emotional similarities:

Why does God need us to worship him/her/it? If God was a superior being, he would not express anger to problems caused by humanism. Therefore, we can postulate that he is a man made construct because God is a *victim of humanism. The need for us to worship him and God's need for: recoginition, acceptance, love. Further more, why does God get angry? [1] If God truly exists, he would be all powerful and knowing. This in of its self would prevent God from acting or thinking like a human being, with emotions. But because God displays characteristics of man, we can most likely categorize God as a man made construct.
(*What I mean by "victim": To be affected in a negative way.)

What does God look like, and what is his position on humanistic issues? Look to religion, and you will see man made constructs that are the criteria of man's racism, sexism, slavery and culture.

"God"displays characteristics that are comparable to that of the male ego:


In *Greek mythology or *Norse mythology, why are the all powerful dieities men?

Why is God often described as a man, or why are all of the most important and powerful Gods placed in the bodies of men?

In almost every culture, women play a secondary role in society, and even in western culture and religion this remains true. God, if he existed, would have told his first followers that he was an 'IT' not man, not women. Yet, looking at all the hymns, paintings and writings, what do they refer to God as? He. Not she, because Judeo-Christian based religions is suggestive of *sexism.

*sexism in the Bible:

'And to the woman [God] said, ‘I will make most severe your pains in childbearing; in pain shall you bear children. Yet your urge shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you."-Genesis 3:16


"Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church'-1 Corinthians 14:34-35


'A womanshould learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man, she must be quiet.'-1 Timothy 2:11-12


Did God create man to his own image or is it just the reverse? Let's have a look at the characteristics of God, it's very strangely to what we would want him to be.

Man's greatest fears are: Loneliness, sickness, death and all that is taken care of by God.


*God Characteristics:

We don't like being alone: *God is omnipresent (even when no one is with us) and is with us at all times; he never let's us down.

We want some comfort especially through difficult times: *God is always with us and will help us when

We are in trouble We want to be forgiven for what wrong we have done and be able to start again with a clean slate: *God forgives.

We don't want things to end when we die – humans fear Death: *God never gives up on us even when we die; instead we are brought closer to God, in paradise.

We don't like unfairness: *God sees all and punishes unfairness.

No. Because all Men in their sinful state of mind and heart would never try to correct themselves or create this idea simply for entertainment purposes only.
That logic is utterly ridiculous.
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7/23/2012 11:25:19 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/23/2012 11:22:40 AM, inferno wrote:
No. Because all Men in their sinful state of mind and heart would never try to correct themselves or create this idea simply for entertainment purposes only.
That logic is utterly ridiculous.

False. Next!

(This is in regards to your science post about 12 minutes beforehand explicitly stating that this happens)
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7/23/2012 11:27:34 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/23/2012 11:25:19 AM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
At 7/23/2012 11:22:40 AM, inferno wrote:
No. Because all Men in their sinful state of mind and heart would never try to correct themselves or create this idea simply for entertainment purposes only.
That logic is utterly ridiculous.

False. Next!

(This is in regards to your science post about 12 minutes beforehand explicitly stating that this happens)

But this is very true. No Man would order his own morality for the sake of
nothingness. If we had no convictions then we would have no reason to
think about the actuality of sin. Nobody would care, and nobody would deal with religion either. The Atheists can seem to grasp such simple but powerful notion.
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7/23/2012 11:46:46 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/22/2012 4:37:12 AM, ATHOS wrote:
I say, it is more likely that God is just an idea.

Definitions:

God =A supernatural transcendent being that is believed to have created the universe and humans.

Create = To make something, to bring something into existence whether it be a physical object or just an idea.

Human = A member of the genus Homo and especially of the species H. sapiens

A psychological necessity to reduce 'cognitive dissonance'[A]

During the time of early humans the world was a frightening place to survive in. Early humans needed a way to help them understand the natural world, when natural phenomenon could not be understood-God was the answer.They also needed a way to deal with their own imperfections. A God with attributes like perfection, wisdom and strength may have helped them on a psychological level.

Humans have created God to not only give meaning to life, but they make God perfect, because it gives them something to strive towards. The *Greeks believed in honor and war and a God who is fierce, because that was their idea of the perfect human. Of course the idea of a perfect human has changed. The perfect human is forgiving, loving, and will bring happiness and peace. Jesus Christ, as the bible said, the perfect human. What would Jesus do? The bible pushes us to act like Christ.


God displays humanistic characteristics that suggests he is neither all powerful or all knowing, therefore, suggesting human origins.

Physical, psychological and emotional similarities:

Why does God need us to worship him/her/it? If God was a superior being, he would not express anger to problems caused by humanism. Therefore, we can postulate that he is a man made construct because God is a *victim of humanism. The need for us to worship him and God's need for: recoginition, acceptance, love. Further more, why does God get angry? [1] If God truly exists, he would be all powerful and knowing. This in of its self would prevent God from acting or thinking like a human being, with emotions. But because God displays characteristics of man, we can most likely categorize God as a man made construct.
(*What I mean by "victim": To be affected in a negative way.)

What does God look like, and what is his position on humanistic issues? Look to religion, and you will see man made constructs that are the criteria of man's racism, sexism, slavery and culture.

"God"displays characteristics that are comparable to that of the male ego:


In *Greek mythology or *Norse mythology, why are the all powerful dieities men?

Why is God often described as a man, or why are all of the most important and powerful Gods placed in the bodies of men?

In almost every culture, women play a secondary role in society, and even in western culture and religion this remains true. God, if he existed, would have told his first followers that he was an 'IT' not man, not women. Yet, looking at all the hymns, paintings and writings, what do they refer to God as? He. Not she, because Judeo-Christian based religions is suggestive of *sexism.

*sexism in the Bible:

'And to the woman [God] said, ‘I will make most severe your pains in childbearing; in pain shall you bear children. Yet your urge shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you."-Genesis 3:16


"Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church'-1 Corinthians 14:34-35


'A womanshould learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man, she must be quiet.'-1 Timothy 2:11-12


Did God create man to his own image or is it just the reverse? Let's have a look at the characteristics of God, it's very strangely to what we would want him to be.

Man's greatest fears are: Loneliness, sickness, death and all that is taken care of by God.


*God Characteristics:

We don't like being alone: *God is omnipresent (even when no one is with us) and is with us at all times; he never let's us down.

We want some comfort especially through difficult times: *God is always with us and will help us when

We are in trouble We want to be forgiven for what wrong we have done and be able to start again with a clean slate: *God forgives.

We don't want things to end when we die – humans fear Death: *God never gives up on us even when we die; instead we are brought closer to God, in paradise.

We don't like unfairness: *God sees all and punishes unfairness.

I totally agree. Humans created "God(s)" in their image, or in the image of things they could already see. Not vice verse (how convenient that would be.)

I like the cognitive dissonance approach. -> http://www.debate.org...
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7/23/2012 3:23:34 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
"Does it seem that God is just an idea?"

Yes it does, I have said that many times before in the past myself. Theists talk about him like he actually exists, when in reality they are just letting their imaginations run wild.
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7/23/2012 4:04:56 PM
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At 7/23/2012 10:58:06 AM, stubs wrote:
At 7/23/2012 7:11:43 AM, The_Fool_on_the_hill wrote:
At 7/23/2012 1:42:41 AM, stubs wrote:
At 7/22/2012 8:37:14 AM, The_Fool_on_the_hill wrote:

The Fool: No its from child hood. The idea of God in learned in childhood.

Genetic fallacy

The Fool: No its not. and you have to show why its a Genetic fallacy, not just write the word. Secondly you left out the rest of the arguement on purpose.

Okay. It's the genetic fallacy because you're saying since we know it's from childhood it's therefore false. Secondly yeah I left it out because it was irrelevant to what I was saying.

The Fool: no its not, A confound is when you there is know way of knowing which is which. Because we have the idea already in our mind at such a young age. And no other way of observing this enitity in nature. They idea gets extrapolated onto nature. And all those ideas just happen to be the very same ones .. that is much more likely. We are not just taking about the BIBLE here. But how the 'idea' is ingrained in the mind already.
"The bud disappears when the blossom breaks through, and we might say that the former is refuted by the latter; in the same way when the fruit comes, the blossom may be explained to be a false form of the plant's existence, for the fruit appears as its true nature in place of the blossom. These stages are not merely differentiated; they supplant one another as being incompatible with one another." G. W. F. HEGEL
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7/23/2012 4:09:25 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/23/2012 4:04:56 PM, The_Fool_on_the_hill wrote:
At 7/23/2012 10:58:06 AM, stubs wrote:
At 7/23/2012 7:11:43 AM, The_Fool_on_the_hill wrote:
At 7/23/2012 1:42:41 AM, stubs wrote:
At 7/22/2012 8:37:14 AM, The_Fool_on_the_hill wrote:

The Fool: No its from child hood. The idea of God in learned in childhood.

Genetic fallacy

The Fool: No its not. and you have to show why its a Genetic fallacy, not just write the word. Secondly you left out the rest of the arguement on purpose.

Okay. It's the genetic fallacy because you're saying since we know it's from childhood it's therefore false. Secondly yeah I left it out because it was irrelevant to what I was saying.

The Fool: no its not, A confound is when there is know way of knowing between two or more possibities. Because we have the idea already in our mind at such a young age it confounds knowing if we got the idea in some other external form. But this idea exist in our mind way before we understand any abract notion of a 'God' And there is no other way of observing this enitity in nature. Therefore it is much more likely the idea in our minds in the past got extrapolated onto nature. And all those ideas just happen to be the very same ones .. that is much more likely. We are not just taking about the BIBLE here. But how the 'idea' is ingrained in the mind already.
"The bud disappears when the blossom breaks through, and we might say that the former is refuted by the latter; in the same way when the fruit comes, the blossom may be explained to be a false form of the plant's existence, for the fruit appears as its true nature in place of the blossom. These stages are not merely differentiated; they supplant one another as being incompatible with one another." G. W. F. HEGEL
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7/23/2012 4:10:19 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/23/2012 4:09:25 PM, The_Fool_on_the_hill wrote:
At 7/23/2012 4:04:56 PM, The_Fool_on_the_hill wrote:
At 7/23/2012 10:58:06 AM, stubs wrote:
At 7/23/2012 7:11:43 AM, The_Fool_on_the_hill wrote:
At 7/23/2012 1:42:41 AM, stubs wrote:
At 7/22/2012 8:37:14 AM, The_Fool_on_the_hill wrote:

The Fool: No its from child hood. The idea of God in learned in childhood.

Genetic fallacy

The Fool: No its not. and you have to show why its a Genetic fallacy, not just write the word. Secondly you left out the rest of the arguement on purpose.

Okay. It's the genetic fallacy because you're saying since we know it's from childhood it's therefore false. Secondly yeah I left it out because it was irrelevant to what I was saying.


The Fool: no its not, A confound is when there is know way of knowing between two or more possibities. Because we have the idea already in our mind at such a young age it confounds knowing if we got the idea in some other external form. But this idea exist in our mind way before we understand any abract notion of a 'God' And there is no other way of observing this enitity in nature. Therefore it is much more likely the idea in our minds in the past got extrapolated onto nature. And all those ideas just happen to be the very same ones .. that is much more likely. We are not just taking about the BIBLE here. But how the 'idea' is ingrained in the mind already.

The Fool: its a pretty deadly argument from Cognitive Science. I don;t think you will get it anyways. not yet.
"The bud disappears when the blossom breaks through, and we might say that the former is refuted by the latter; in the same way when the fruit comes, the blossom may be explained to be a false form of the plant's existence, for the fruit appears as its true nature in place of the blossom. These stages are not merely differentiated; they supplant one another as being incompatible with one another." G. W. F. HEGEL
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7/23/2012 4:12:11 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
The Fool: This is a R.I.P. argument too.

If a miricle is the impossible, then any other explanation is more likley to be true and is therefore BETTER!. (Hume re-masterd by The Fool)
"The bud disappears when the blossom breaks through, and we might say that the former is refuted by the latter; in the same way when the fruit comes, the blossom may be explained to be a false form of the plant's existence, for the fruit appears as its true nature in place of the blossom. These stages are not merely differentiated; they supplant one another as being incompatible with one another." G. W. F. HEGEL
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7/24/2012 10:54:48 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/23/2012 4:12:11 PM, The_Fool_on_the_hill wrote:
The Fool: This is a R.I.P. argument too.


If a miricle is the impossible, then any other explanation is more likley to be true and is therefore BETTER!. (Hume re-masterd by The Fool)

If you define miracle as the impossible then obviously they can't happen haha
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7/24/2012 8:44:16 PM
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God is not proven or disproven, so yes, God is an idea. Religion is faith, not fact, afterall.
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7/24/2012 9:44:34 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/24/2012 10:54:48 AM, stubs wrote:
At 7/23/2012 4:12:11 PM, The_Fool_on_the_hill wrote:
The Fool: This is a R.I.P. argument too.


If a miricle is the impossible, then any other explanation is more likley to be true and is therefore BETTER!. (Hume re-masterd by The Fool)

If you define miracle as the impossible then obviously they can't happen haha

The Fool: you can't define things into reality. Miracle is a 'word' which represents and 'Idea'. IN the bible God can do the impossible it is that which makes him supernatural and divine. For something in which we know the possibity would just be a of normal occurance. Because we grasp its possiblity. You cannot go from I don't know therefore I know that its possible. You know or you don't know. You can't go from zero knowledge to some knowledge. So if you are using the "word" miracle to communicate the 'idea' of possiblity you must know by which means it is possible. To say it is possible by God begs the question of God.
"The bud disappears when the blossom breaks through, and we might say that the former is refuted by the latter; in the same way when the fruit comes, the blossom may be explained to be a false form of the plant's existence, for the fruit appears as its true nature in place of the blossom. These stages are not merely differentiated; they supplant one another as being incompatible with one another." G. W. F. HEGEL
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7/24/2012 9:47:17 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/24/2012 9:44:34 PM, The_Fool_on_the_hill wrote:
At 7/24/2012 10:54:48 AM, stubs wrote:
At 7/23/2012 4:12:11 PM, The_Fool_on_the_hill wrote:
The Fool: This is a R.I.P. argument too.


If a miricle is the impossible, then any other explanation is more likley to be true and is therefore BETTER!. (Hume re-masterd by The Fool)

If you define miracle as the impossible then obviously they can't happen haha

The Fool: you can't define things into reality. Miracle is a 'word' which represents and 'Idea'. IN the bible God can do the impossible it is that which makes him supernatural and divine. For something in which we know the possibity would just be a of normal occurance. Because we grasp its possiblity. You cannot go from I don't know therefore I know that its possible. You know or you don't know. You can't go from zero knowledge to some knowledge. So if you are using the "word" miracle to communicate the 'idea' of possiblity you must know by which means it is possible. To say it is possible by God begs the question of God.

Oh I forgot. The IF part is important when you read. IF a miracle. IF(and only IF)
"The bud disappears when the blossom breaks through, and we might say that the former is refuted by the latter; in the same way when the fruit comes, the blossom may be explained to be a false form of the plant's existence, for the fruit appears as its true nature in place of the blossom. These stages are not merely differentiated; they supplant one another as being incompatible with one another." G. W. F. HEGEL