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7/24/2012 6:24:57 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
"Easy is the descent to Avernus, for the door to the Underworld lies upon both day and night. But to retrace your steps and return to the breezes above- that's the task, that's the toil."
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7/24/2012 6:25:22 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Damn. On Youtube it said "4 seconds."
"Easy is the descent to Avernus, for the door to the Underworld lies upon both day and night. But to retrace your steps and return to the breezes above- that's the task, that's the toil."
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7/24/2012 6:33:59 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/24/2012 6:24:57 PM, Lordknukle wrote:


Nice...
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7/24/2012 6:43:09 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Key word: I reject your reality.

Would you say that you don't do the same?

this could've easly be titled-- "Atheism in 4 seconds." or "Wizards in 4 seconds" or "Pimps in 4 seconds"...

funny though.. lol
: At 10/23/2012 8:06:03 PM, tvellalott wrote:
: Don't be. The Catholic Church is ran by Darth Sidius for fvck sake. As far as I'm concerned, you're a bona fide member of the Sith.
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7/24/2012 7:18:42 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/24/2012 6:43:09 PM, Paradox_7 wrote:
Key word: I reject your reality.

Would you say that you don't do the same?

this could've easly be titled-- "Atheism in 4 seconds." or "Wizards in 4 seconds" or "Pimps in 4 seconds"...

funny though.. lol

While true, my reality is based upon the experimentation, observation, inference, and the scientific method. Their reality is based on a book written 4 000 years ago, which has been translated hundreds of times, and serves as the epitome of their life. In other words, my reality is supported by my reality. Their reality is supported by my reality.
"Easy is the descent to Avernus, for the door to the Underworld lies upon both day and night. But to retrace your steps and return to the breezes above- that's the task, that's the toil."
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7/24/2012 7:43:40 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
The Fool: That was hilarious.

But What is IS! That is everything is real, its a matter in what form is it real. Is it a derivitive of the Imagination, or Physical sense perception. Unicorns is real 'idea' but we have yet to see that' idea' correspond to anything external(through sense perception) That is the difference. In what form of reality do you mean. In what form of reality is of the supernatural category which is more the imaginatoin???
And with what form of justification do you assert it true.
"The bud disappears when the blossom breaks through, and we might say that the former is refuted by the latter; in the same way when the fruit comes, the blossom may be explained to be a false form of the plant's existence, for the fruit appears as its true nature in place of the blossom. These stages are not merely differentiated; they supplant one another as being incompatible with one another." G. W. F. HEGEL
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7/24/2012 7:53:59 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/24/2012 7:18:42 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 7/24/2012 6:43:09 PM, Paradox_7 wrote:
Key word: I reject your reality.

Would you say that you don't do the same?

this could've easly be titled-- "Atheism in 4 seconds." or "Wizards in 4 seconds" or "Pimps in 4 seconds"...

funny though.. lol

While true, my reality is based upon the experimentation, observation, inference, and the scientific method. Their reality is based on a book written 4 000 years ago, which has been translated hundreds of times, and serves as the epitome of their life. In other words, my reality is supported by my reality. Their reality is supported by my reality.


By they, I assume you mean, me..

It's funny you should think that, since "my" reality, is based upon experimentaion, observation, inference, the scientific method, experience, revelation, theology, and lets not forget-- common sense (plus a 4,000 year old book ;])

So you actually use less methods than I!.. lol jk

Seriously though, I wish i could be a budhist, or rastafarian.. or a saiyan lol

But I can't, because God made himself known to me.. as much as I would enjoy to reject it, or apostatize.. I cannot; the truth won't let me go.

I really don't expect you to understand this, nor do I think there is anything I could do to convince you of it (even if we got an audience with some angels or something).. The word of God works by the spirit, and if God doesn't wish you to know it yet, then you won't.. sowwy.
: At 10/23/2012 8:06:03 PM, tvellalott wrote:
: Don't be. The Catholic Church is ran by Darth Sidius for fvck sake. As far as I'm concerned, you're a bona fide member of the Sith.
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7/25/2012 8:26:00 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/24/2012 7:53:59 PM, Paradox_7 wrote:

I really don't expect you to understand this, nor do I think there is anything I could do to convince you of it (even if we got an audience with some angels or something).. The word of God works by the spirit, and if God doesn't wish you to know it yet, then you won't.. sowwy.

It is equal parts amusing, scary, and revealing the frequency in which Christians portray themselves as either not truly believing of their religion or sociopathic.
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7/25/2012 8:37:30 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/25/2012 8:26:00 AM, drafterman wrote:
At 7/24/2012 7:53:59 PM, Paradox_7 wrote:

I really don't expect you to understand this, nor do I think there is anything I could do to convince you of it (even if we got an audience with some angels or something).. The word of God works by the spirit, and if God doesn't wish you to know it yet, then you won't.. sowwy.


So it's not my fault I'm currently on the road to hell? Sweeet.
There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss. " Clearly, it is this second part, the missing, which presents the difficulties.
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7/25/2012 9:30:38 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/24/2012 7:18:42 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 7/24/2012 6:43:09 PM, Paradox_7 wrote:
Key word: I reject your reality.

Would you say that you don't do the same?

this could've easly be titled-- "Atheism in 4 seconds." or "Wizards in 4 seconds" or "Pimps in 4 seconds"...

funny though.. lol

While true, my reality is based upon the experimentation, observation, inference, and the scientific method. Their reality is based on a book written 4 000 years ago, which has been translated hundreds of times, and serves as the epitome of their life. In other words, my reality is supported by my reality. Their reality is supported by my reality.

No, my reality is based on a personal experience of a revelation of Jesus Christ.
The Cross.. the Cross.
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7/25/2012 9:33:50 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/25/2012 9:30:38 AM, DATCMOTO wrote:
At 7/24/2012 7:18:42 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 7/24/2012 6:43:09 PM, Paradox_7 wrote:
Key word: I reject your reality.

Would you say that you don't do the same?

this could've easly be titled-- "Atheism in 4 seconds." or "Wizards in 4 seconds" or "Pimps in 4 seconds"...

funny though.. lol

While true, my reality is based upon the experimentation, observation, inference, and the scientific method. Their reality is based on a book written 4 000 years ago, which has been translated hundreds of times, and serves as the epitome of their life. In other words, my reality is supported by my reality. Their reality is supported by my reality.

No, my reality is based on a personal experience of a revelation of Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ personally revealed himself to you? How did you know it was him?
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7/25/2012 9:34:58 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/25/2012 9:33:50 AM, drafterman wrote:
At 7/25/2012 9:30:38 AM, DATCMOTO wrote:
At 7/24/2012 7:18:42 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 7/24/2012 6:43:09 PM, Paradox_7 wrote:
Key word: I reject your reality.

Would you say that you don't do the same?

this could've easly be titled-- "Atheism in 4 seconds." or "Wizards in 4 seconds" or "Pimps in 4 seconds"...

funny though.. lol

While true, my reality is based upon the experimentation, observation, inference, and the scientific method. Their reality is based on a book written 4 000 years ago, which has been translated hundreds of times, and serves as the epitome of their life. In other words, my reality is supported by my reality. Their reality is supported by my reality.

No, my reality is based on a personal experience of a revelation of Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ personally revealed himself to you? How did you know it was him?

He revealed himself to him through His Word
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7/25/2012 9:37:16 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/25/2012 9:34:58 AM, acvavra wrote:
At 7/25/2012 9:33:50 AM, drafterman wrote:
At 7/25/2012 9:30:38 AM, DATCMOTO wrote:
At 7/24/2012 7:18:42 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 7/24/2012 6:43:09 PM, Paradox_7 wrote:
Key word: I reject your reality.

Would you say that you don't do the same?

this could've easly be titled-- "Atheism in 4 seconds." or "Wizards in 4 seconds" or "Pimps in 4 seconds"...

funny though.. lol

While true, my reality is based upon the experimentation, observation, inference, and the scientific method. Their reality is based on a book written 4 000 years ago, which has been translated hundreds of times, and serves as the epitome of their life. In other words, my reality is supported by my reality. Their reality is supported by my reality.

No, my reality is based on a personal experience of a revelation of Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ personally revealed himself to you? How did you know it was him?

He revealed himself to him through His Word

And how did you know it was him?
Stephen_Hawkins
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7/25/2012 9:38:51 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/25/2012 9:33:50 AM, drafterman wrote:
At 7/25/2012 9:30:38 AM, DATCMOTO wrote:
At 7/24/2012 7:18:42 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 7/24/2012 6:43:09 PM, Paradox_7 wrote:
Key word: I reject your reality.

Would you say that you don't do the same?

this could've easly be titled-- "Atheism in 4 seconds." or "Wizards in 4 seconds" or "Pimps in 4 seconds"...

funny though.. lol

While true, my reality is based upon the experimentation, observation, inference, and the scientific method. Their reality is based on a book written 4 000 years ago, which has been translated hundreds of times, and serves as the epitome of their life. In other words, my reality is supported by my reality. Their reality is supported by my reality.

No, my reality is based on a personal experience of a revelation of Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ personally revealed himself to you? How did you know it was him?

Strange...when I reveal myself I get told it's inappropriate.
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7/25/2012 9:39:32 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/25/2012 9:33:50 AM, drafterman wrote:
At 7/25/2012 9:30:38 AM, DATCMOTO wrote:
At 7/24/2012 7:18:42 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 7/24/2012 6:43:09 PM, Paradox_7 wrote:
Key word: I reject your reality.

Would you say that you don't do the same?

this could've easly be titled-- "Atheism in 4 seconds." or "Wizards in 4 seconds" or "Pimps in 4 seconds"...

funny though.. lol

While true, my reality is based upon the experimentation, observation, inference, and the scientific method. Their reality is based on a book written 4 000 years ago, which has been translated hundreds of times, and serves as the epitome of their life. In other words, my reality is supported by my reality. Their reality is supported by my reality.

No, my reality is based on a personal experience of a revelation of Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ personally revealed himself to you? How did you know it was him?

I just did, is the somewhat unsatisfying but true answer..

John 10:27
My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me.
The Cross.. the Cross.
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7/25/2012 9:40:56 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
And here I thought it was just New Zealand with the high sheep:human ratio.
There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss. " Clearly, it is this second part, the missing, which presents the difficulties.
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7/25/2012 9:41:24 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/25/2012 9:34:58 AM, acvavra wrote:
At 7/25/2012 9:33:50 AM, drafterman wrote:
At 7/25/2012 9:30:38 AM, DATCMOTO wrote:
At 7/24/2012 7:18:42 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 7/24/2012 6:43:09 PM, Paradox_7 wrote:
Key word: I reject your reality.

Would you say that you don't do the same?

this could've easly be titled-- "Atheism in 4 seconds." or "Wizards in 4 seconds" or "Pimps in 4 seconds"...

funny though.. lol

While true, my reality is based upon the experimentation, observation, inference, and the scientific method. Their reality is based on a book written 4 000 years ago, which has been translated hundreds of times, and serves as the epitome of their life. In other words, my reality is supported by my reality. Their reality is supported by my reality.

No, my reality is based on a personal experience of a revelation of Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ personally revealed himself to you? How did you know it was him?

He revealed himself to him through His Word

No, He spoke directly to me..
The Cross.. the Cross.
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7/25/2012 9:41:54 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/25/2012 9:39:32 AM, DATCMOTO wrote:
At 7/25/2012 9:33:50 AM, drafterman wrote:
At 7/25/2012 9:30:38 AM, DATCMOTO wrote:
At 7/24/2012 7:18:42 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 7/24/2012 6:43:09 PM, Paradox_7 wrote:
Key word: I reject your reality.

Would you say that you don't do the same?

this could've easly be titled-- "Atheism in 4 seconds." or "Wizards in 4 seconds" or "Pimps in 4 seconds"...

funny though.. lol

While true, my reality is based upon the experimentation, observation, inference, and the scientific method. Their reality is based on a book written 4 000 years ago, which has been translated hundreds of times, and serves as the epitome of their life. In other words, my reality is supported by my reality. Their reality is supported by my reality.

No, my reality is based on a personal experience of a revelation of Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ personally revealed himself to you? How did you know it was him?

I just did, is the somewhat unsatisfying but true answer..

In other words, you don't. You believe it was him. Perhaps with a high degree of certainty. Perhaps more devoutly than you believe anything else. But it seems you're missing something in order to call it knowledge. Good to know.


John 10:27
My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me.
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7/25/2012 11:40:24 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/25/2012 8:37:30 AM, caveat wrote:
At 7/25/2012 8:26:00 AM, drafterman wrote:
At 7/24/2012 7:53:59 PM, Paradox_7 wrote:

I really don't expect you to understand this, nor do I think there is anything I could do to convince you of it (even if we got an audience with some angels or something).. The word of God works by the spirit, and if God doesn't wish you to know it yet, then you won't.. sowwy.


So it's not my fault I'm currently on the road to hell? Sweeet.

That's one of the reasons I'm very skeptical of Calvinism.
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7/25/2012 11:45:38 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/24/2012 7:53:59 PM, Paradox_7 wrote:
I really don't expect you to understand this, nor do I think there is anything I could do to convince you of it (even if we got an audience with some angels or something).. The word of God works by the spirit, and if God doesn't wish you to know it yet, then you won't.. sowwy.

I often happen to doubt my beliefs only because Christianity seems too bad to be false when so many people follow it.
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7/25/2012 12:11:48 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/25/2012 9:30:38 AM, DATCMOTO wrote:
At 7/24/2012 7:18:42 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 7/24/2012 6:43:09 PM, Paradox_7 wrote:
Key word: I reject your reality.

Would you say that you don't do the same?

this could've easly be titled-- "Atheism in 4 seconds." or "Wizards in 4 seconds" or "Pimps in 4 seconds"...

funny though.. lol

While true, my reality is based upon the experimentation, observation, inference, and the scientific method. Their reality is based on a book written 4 000 years ago, which has been translated hundreds of times, and serves as the epitome of their life. In other words, my reality is supported by my reality. Their reality is supported by my reality.

No, my reality is based on a personal experience of a revelation of Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ and psychedelic drugs are not interchangeable terms.
"Easy is the descent to Avernus, for the door to the Underworld lies upon both day and night. But to retrace your steps and return to the breezes above- that's the task, that's the toil."
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7/25/2012 1:11:26 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/25/2012 8:26:00 AM, drafterman wrote:
At 7/24/2012 7:53:59 PM, Paradox_7 wrote:

I really don't expect you to understand this, nor do I think there is anything I could do to convince you of it (even if we got an audience with some angels or something).. The word of God works by the spirit, and if God doesn't wish you to know it yet, then you won't.. sowwy.

It is equal parts amusing, scary, and revealing the frequency in which Christians portray themselves as either not truly believing of their religion or sociopathic.


Wtf r u talking about...

You don't know anything about me, other then I'm a Christian. This is your justified grounds for calling me a sociopath??

That's the most tolerant thing i've ever heard!

tell me, what do you think that I do, in my life, that would give you reason to judge me as that?
: At 10/23/2012 8:06:03 PM, tvellalott wrote:
: Don't be. The Catholic Church is ran by Darth Sidius for fvck sake. As far as I'm concerned, you're a bona fide member of the Sith.
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7/25/2012 1:15:55 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/25/2012 8:37:30 AM, caveat wrote:
At 7/25/2012 8:26:00 AM, drafterman wrote:
At 7/24/2012 7:53:59 PM, Paradox_7 wrote:

I really don't expect you to understand this, nor do I think there is anything I could do to convince you of it (even if we got an audience with some angels or something).. The word of God works by the spirit, and if God doesn't wish you to know it yet, then you won't.. sowwy.


So it's not my fault I'm currently on the road to hell? Sweeet.


[cracks knuckles]

Oh, no no no... You are very much at fault. You are simply getting what you want.

If God wishes otherwise for you, he will make his love known-- wether you like it or not.

We all have a Choice, and we all choose our way. God has every right to wipe us out.. we are blessed that he chose to save a few; instead of none.
: At 10/23/2012 8:06:03 PM, tvellalott wrote:
: Don't be. The Catholic Church is ran by Darth Sidius for fvck sake. As far as I'm concerned, you're a bona fide member of the Sith.
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7/25/2012 1:20:34 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/25/2012 1:15:55 PM, Paradox_7 wrote:
[cracks knuckles]

Oh, no no no... You are very much at fault. You are simply getting what you want.


He wanted for God not to reveal himself to him?

If God wishes otherwise for you, he will make his love known-- wether you like it or not.


He wants all men to be saved. 1 timothy 2:4

We all have a Choice, and we all choose our way.

Doesn't sound like a very Calvinistic thing to say (; And if you say we can only choose one thing because of our nature then it is not a choice.

God has every right to wipe us out.. we are blessed that he chose to save a few; instead of none.
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7/25/2012 1:21:08 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/25/2012 1:11:26 PM, Paradox_7 wrote:
At 7/25/2012 8:26:00 AM, drafterman wrote:
At 7/24/2012 7:53:59 PM, Paradox_7 wrote:

I really don't expect you to understand this, nor do I think there is anything I could do to convince you of it (even if we got an audience with some angels or something).. The word of God works by the spirit, and if God doesn't wish you to know it yet, then you won't.. sowwy.

It is equal parts amusing, scary, and revealing the frequency in which Christians portray themselves as either not truly believing of their religion or sociopathic.


Wtf r u talking about...

I think I was pretty explicit in what I'm talking about.


You don't know anything about me, other then I'm a Christian. This is your justified grounds for calling me a sociopath??

I didn't call you a sociopath. I said you have portrayed yourself as either not truly believing in your religion or sociopathic.


That's the most tolerant thing i've ever heard!

tell me, what do you think that I do, in my life, that would give you reason to judge me as that?

Adhere to a religion which apparently condems a large portion of the population for merely lacking a trivial belief; concluding that this is the result of the whim of some omnipotent being - meaning these people are so condemned for something that is outside the realm of their control; then respond to such state of affairs with: "Sowwy."
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7/25/2012 1:26:44 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/25/2012 1:15:55 PM, Paradox_7 wrote:
At 7/25/2012 8:37:30 AM, caveat wrote:
At 7/25/2012 8:26:00 AM, drafterman wrote:
At 7/24/2012 7:53:59 PM, Paradox_7 wrote:

I really don't expect you to understand this, nor do I think there is anything I could do to convince you of it (even if we got an audience with some angels or something).. The word of God works by the spirit, and if God doesn't wish you to know it yet, then you won't.. sowwy.


So it's not my fault I'm currently on the road to hell? Sweeet.


[cracks knuckles]

Oh, no no no... You are very much at fault. You are simply getting what you want.

This is perhaps one of the most bullshit lines that has ever been spewed. I didn't sit down one day, think to myself, "I believe that a god exists. I believe the Bible is true. I just don't want it to be true. So I'm going just going to stop believing in it!" *blinkblinknod* "Poof! I no longer believe in God! I'm an atheist!"

Doesn't work like that. My status as an atheist is because I don't believe a god exists. This is independent of whether or not I want there to be a god. I believe I'm not a millionaire. That is not because I don't want to be a millionaire, it is simply a fact that I'm not a millionaire.

So, no, if a hell exists, and atheists are going there, they are not "Getting what they want."

Moron.
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7/25/2012 1:26:49 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/25/2012 1:20:34 PM, stubs wrote:
At 7/25/2012 1:15:55 PM, Paradox_7 wrote:
[cracks knuckles]

Oh, no no no... You are very much at fault. You are simply getting what you want.


He wanted for God not to reveal himself to him?

If God wishes otherwise for you, he will make his love known-- wether you like it or not.


He wants all men to be saved. 1 timothy 2:4

We all have a Choice, and we all choose our way.

Doesn't sound like a very Calvinistic thing to say (; And if you say we can only choose one thing because of our nature then it is not a choice.

God has every right to wipe us out.. we are blessed that he chose to save a few; instead of none.

random question: Stubs, are you related to J. Vernon Magee, by any chance?
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7/25/2012 1:32:20 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/25/2012 1:26:49 PM, acvavra wrote:

random question: Stubs, are you related to J. Vernon Magee, by any chance?

Never heard of him
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7/25/2012 1:40:54 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/25/2012 1:20:34 PM, stubs wrote:
At 7/25/2012 1:15:55 PM, Paradox_7 wrote:
[cracks knuckles]

Oh, no no no... You are very much at fault. You are simply getting what you want.


He wanted for God not to reveal himself to him?

Exactly, he does not want God to reveal himself.

Romans 3

If God wishes otherwise for you, he will make his love known-- wether you like it or not.


He wants all men to be saved. 1 timothy 2:4

Then why aren't they?

We all have a Choice, and we all choose our way.

Doesn't sound like a very Calvinistic thing to say (; And if you say we can only choose one thing because of our nature then it is not a choice.

Actually, it is. If we make a choice, it will be for sin, simply because will not choose anything else, doesn't make it any less a choice; We do even though we know we shouldn't.

As Paul says:

15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do.

16 And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17 As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me.

18 For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out.

We all have knowledge of what we should do, and choose to do the opposite.. Instead of rebelling against this nature, we embrace it, and live in it.

No one in this condition, will choose God, and all will hate him.

God has every right to wipe us out.. we are blessed that he chose to save a few; instead of none.
: At 10/23/2012 8:06:03 PM, tvellalott wrote:
: Don't be. The Catholic Church is ran by Darth Sidius for fvck sake. As far as I'm concerned, you're a bona fide member of the Sith.