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Stephen_Hawkins
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7/30/2012 11:46:14 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Anyone up for this? Simply put, a large debate between the atheists and Christians of the site on different topics. In essence, the debates being any part of Chrisitanity vs Atheism on common contentions (e.g. Problem of Evil, Kalam, Cosmological Argument, Religion's impact on the world), between each "team". The teams, being 5 each, would have a series of debates between the best debaters of each side. The arguments can be done either by a single user or the full team, or any combination of them.

This'll be very enjoyable to read and do, simply because it means the debates will be of a great quality.

Any takers, or any ideas for improvement?
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stubs
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7/30/2012 11:48:50 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
I know I'm not as smart as a lot of the other Christians on the site, but I love debating the problem of evil and I may be able to give one or two suggestions to other topics. So I would be interested if the other Christians would even want me to do it haha
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7/30/2012 11:58:44 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
This would absolutely need a set team of presumably unbiased voters established beforehand.
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7/30/2012 12:02:50 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/30/2012 11:48:50 AM, stubs wrote:
I know I'm not as smart as a lot of the other Christians on the site, but I love debating the problem of evil and I may be able to give one or two suggestions to other topics. So I would be interested if the other Christians would even want me to do it haha

It'd be great to have this debate against some of those who can propose the Problem of Evil well. The thing is, though, you can message other people to get them to have a look at your gambit, and improve it, before publishing: that's the best part of these types of debates, imo.
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7/30/2012 12:02:57 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/30/2012 11:58:44 AM, Maikuru wrote:
This would absolutely need a set team of presumably unbiased voters established beforehand.

Or at least, an equal number of theists, agnostics and atheists selected to vote.
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7/30/2012 12:03:05 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/30/2012 11:58:44 AM, Maikuru wrote:
This would absolutely need a set team of presumably unbiased voters established beforehand.

Unbiased voters? On this site? Hahahahhah. Good luck
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7/30/2012 12:04:44 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/30/2012 11:58:44 AM, Maikuru wrote:
This would absolutely need a set team of presumably unbiased voters established beforehand.

Very good point. I'm thinking some of the "jury" would be bluesteel, medic, innomen, Roy, KFR, etc.; people who are in the top percentile, maybe, and state that people who come in should be writing RFDs over the character limit, and should meet certain criteria.
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7/30/2012 12:20:47 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/30/2012 12:02:57 PM, Kinesis wrote:
At 7/30/2012 11:58:44 AM, Maikuru wrote:
This would absolutely need a set team of presumably unbiased voters established beforehand.

Or at least, an equal number of theists, agnostics and atheists selected to vote.

The problem with this is twofold. Firstly, it comes across with a (frankly insulting) impression that one cannot trust either atheists, theists or agnostics to vote fairly in a debate where they agree already with a particular side. It's not intentional that it comes across this way, but it is something I cannot help but notice: it seems to promote a mistrust between sides.

And second, I'd state the opposite of the previous, that some voters who vote for the other side will have a larger effect. I think it is well established that Contradiction has people who vote for him generally - not saying he makes them do it - but there are sides which seem to vote for their own opinions regardless of the general view of the better debater. Say there are ten Christian voters and ten atheist voters. Now, if all vote for their own side - which is possible - then the debate is a draw. Say now one Christian votes for the atheist. Now, the atheist wins. The outcry would most probably be that people were voting along *party* lines. This would be a lot more upsetting than the actual original voter, yet this would create more problems. Now, if, say, all Christians voted for the Christian position and 7 atheists voted the Christian position, then the debate obviously was straightforward and poor. If, say, 7 atheists voted Christian and 5 Christians voted atheist, the debate would have the best voting mix. The probability of this is so small though, that it almost is impossible.
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Stephen_Hawkins
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7/30/2012 12:41:54 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I'm thinking 5v5, roughly. Also, bringing this back to the top.
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7/30/2012 4:03:10 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I'm interested in debating against Christianity. I was actually getting ready to do a debate on the subject.
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7/30/2012 7:07:00 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
It seems this has became a lot more unpopular for some reason... D:
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7/30/2012 7:11:10 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
QuestionMark, the idea is to have the best debaters on this site for each position to do a larger debate. The key part is to have the *best* debaters. Not to be rude, but bearing in mind you've done a single debate, in which you've lost... it's not really what I'd call 'meeting the criteria'.
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7/30/2012 7:14:08 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/30/2012 7:11:10 PM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
QuestionMark, the idea is to have the best debaters on this site for each position to do a larger debate. The key part is to have the *best* debaters. Not to be rude, but bearing in mind you've done a single debate, in which you've lost... it's not really what I'd call 'meeting the criteria'.

Ah... My apologizes. I had not read the first post at the time of submitting that message. Suppose it'll be interesting to watch, though. ;)
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7/30/2012 7:15:35 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I don't know if I would consider myself one of the "best" debaters, but I would love to debate the Kalam Cosmological Argument in this debate.
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7/30/2012 7:19:48 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
If you're in the 99th percentile from doing almost exclusively religious debates, that puts you pretty high up there ^^

Any more Christians willing to do this? It'd be nice to have Contradiction, for example, taking part, but he doesn't view the forum section much.
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7/30/2012 9:35:47 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/30/2012 7:07:00 PM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
It seems this has became a lot more unpopular for some reason... D:

It appears as if you don't want me in :( But if you do change your mind, I am open to arguing on the side of Atheism.
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"The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it."_Thomas Jefferson

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7/30/2012 10:10:48 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I'd love to participate, but as of yet, and due to my own absent mindedness, I have only engaged in a single debate. I won, but even then it was about foreign policy not religion.
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7/31/2012 6:08:16 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I'm interested.

It may be awkward-to-impossible to make a formal debate of it, with that many partcipants, but we could have a thread in which only the participants post, and another "peanut gallery" thread in which others can comment.

If we don't have supervisory support (supervisors might be able to prevent other people from posting in the debate thread, or they might move other people's posts to the peanut gallery thread) we can just agree to ignore posts that are in the wrong thread.

I've done this a couple of times over at freeratio.org, and it's worked quite well.
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7/31/2012 9:11:38 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/30/2012 7:15:35 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
I don't know if I would consider myself one of the "best" debaters, but I would love to debate the Kalam Cosmological Argument in this debate.

The Fool: I am a horrible Debator but I can give a hell of a Logical refutation. That has to be good for something.
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8/1/2012 5:56:14 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 7/31/2012 6:08:16 PM, wiploc wrote:
I'm interested.

It may be awkward-to-impossible to make a formal debate of it, with that many partcipants, but we could have a thread in which only the participants post, and another "peanut gallery" thread in which others can comment.

If we don't have supervisory support (supervisors might be able to prevent other people from posting in the debate thread, or they might move other people's posts to the peanut gallery thread) we can just agree to ignore posts that are in the wrong thread.

I've done this a couple of times over at freeratio.org, and it's worked quite well.

Sounds like a good idea. However, I imagined doing, say, five debates, and linking them together for a larger video debate, where someone reads out each argument for and against each case brought up. So, the 5 proper written debates are done, then a final debate, where each round is used by another debater to make a case, is linked together and posted. If that makes sense...
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8/1/2012 8:19:31 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/1/2012 8:08:32 PM, unitedandy wrote:
Great idea. Though I'm pretty sure the theists would win.

I think the opposite...

What makes you think that?
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8/1/2012 8:58:59 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/1/2012 8:19:31 PM, johnnyboy54 wrote:
At 8/1/2012 8:08:32 PM, unitedandy wrote:
Great idea. Though I'm pretty sure the theists would win.

I think the opposite...

What makes you think that?

PCP, KRF, Contradiction and InquireTruth (if they were picked) are probably the best debaters and they're all theists
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8/2/2012 12:03:34 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
If people want to do this, I'll set up a really disappointing 5v5 list.

ATHEISTS

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THEISTS

1.
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8/2/2012 4:34:01 PM
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