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Why are Jews persecuted?

brian_eggleston
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9/3/2009 3:16:04 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
Jewish people are always banging on about ‘anti-Semitism' (a misnomer, by the way, since Arabs are also Semites) but they never offer an explanation to why they think they might be discriminated against so vehemently.

Perhaps somebody could explain why either:

A - throughout history Jews have attracted so much more hatred than almost any other ethnic or religious group, or;

B- why, if this is not the case, Jews believe that other people hate them so much?
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9/3/2009 3:33:31 PM
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The Arabs hate the Jews for being in the holy land, I thought that this was pretty well-known.

Hitler had no reason really...
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9/3/2009 3:37:37 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
Because Jews have historically been less fail at earth than members of most religions.
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9/3/2009 3:39:25 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 9/3/2009 3:37:39 PM, TheDevil wrote:
Nah. You see. Jews love me. So I was the one who really killed Hitler. Tellin my jews to convert is wrong. Theyll end up here anyways.
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9/3/2009 3:40:06 PM
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Hi AFT/TheDevil
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9/3/2009 3:41:53 PM
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Jew have attracted a lot of hate over the centuries because they are a very easy target. They tended to be somewhat spread out geographically so there were rarely large concentrations, and most importantly, at least in Europe, they were foreigners wherever they went. They were 'different'. And different makes for a very good target if you want to unite a population.
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9/3/2009 3:42:31 PM
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Where'd he say that?
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9/3/2009 3:45:26 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 9/3/2009 3:43:17 PM, TheDevil wrote:
Hes next to me spooning me and telling me this

lol.

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9/3/2009 4:24:21 PM
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It's definitely not me.
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9/3/2009 4:54:52 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
Because they are Gods chosen people.
So satan absolutely LOATHES them.
As he does Christians.
As do satans minions.
The Cross.. the Cross.
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9/3/2009 5:00:45 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
So God's racist?
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9/3/2009 5:16:36 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 9/3/2009 5:00:45 PM, Ragnar_Rahl wrote:
So God's racist?

In the sense that He picked one race out above another?
In that sense.. yes.
But the Jews finally came to realise that the world was being redeemed through their SUFFERING.. not their blessings.
Just as we are redeemed through the King of the Jews suffering and sacrifice.
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9/3/2009 5:33:07 PM
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So if God knew they would be hated if he picked them why did he pick them then allow a bunch to die in the Holocaust? If he cared he would have spared more.
Just image poor innocent Jewish babies going to the crematories just because God "loves them". Thats a new way of showing love.
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9/3/2009 6:20:21 PM
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At 9/3/2009 5:33:07 PM, AnimeFanTony wrote:
So if God knew they would be hated if he picked them why did he pick them then allow a bunch to die in the Holocaust? If he cared he would have spared more.
Just image poor innocent Jewish babies going to the crematories just because God "loves them". Thats a new way of showing love.

It was WE that allowed them to die..
Just as WE allow a vastly superior holocaust of innocents to die every year: in the murder of unborn children.
It starts with us.. with you.. YOU do YOUR part.
The Cross.. the Cross.
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9/3/2009 10:08:59 PM
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At 9/3/2009 3:45:26 PM, BigMac wrote:
At 9/3/2009 3:43:17 PM, TheDevil wrote:
Hes next to me spooning me and telling me this

lol.

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9/3/2009 10:50:53 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 9/3/2009 3:16:04 PM, brian_eggleston wrote:
Perhaps somebody could explain why either:

A - throughout history Jews have attracted so much more hatred than almost any other ethnic or religious group, or;

There's the argument that they were the minority and anyone who wasn't Christian in Europe for most of the past several hundred years were discriminated against, and then there's the argument that the Jews were discriminated against because their religion allowed them to lend money, while Christians could not due to some commandment or belief dictated to them by the Catholic Church. People have always been jealous of the rich, and it just so happened that many rich people back then were Jewish. Ergo, hate for Jews.

You can take either one or both.

Those are the points I know of.
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9/3/2009 11:13:08 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 9/3/2009 3:16:04 PM, brian_eggleston wrote:
A - throughout history Jews have attracted so much more hatred than almost any other ethnic or religious group, or;

Early on, Jews was not persecuted. Either you didn't persecute any religions (The western roman empire was busy collapsing, and the eastern roman empire had many variants of Christianity and no unifying pope, so they tended to kill less and argue more). Also, Jews did worship the same God, so...

But for some reason it was decided that Jews shouldn't be allowed to so any sort of work. They were in practice forbidden to work in most occupations. So they had to take the job that was seen as dirty by society. This is when prosecution starts. During the 11th-12th century, moneylending becomes one of these immoral dirty jobs. Now Jews have an immoral dirty job, that also makes them filthy rich. Now prosecution *really* takes off.

The rest of the prosecution is simply based on the myths created during the middle ages. They acquired the position of being to blame for everything, and so they get blamed for everything by stupid people from all around the world.
So prove me wrong, then.
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9/4/2009 5:36:11 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
Thank you Rezz and Reg...I think the usury (money lending) was a huge factor in their acquiring the reputation of being somewhat duplicitous in terms of business practices and, also, they have always tended keep their wealth inside the Jewish community, spending their money wherever possible in Jewish shops and only giving to Jewish charities.

That's why so many Jews lost out when Bernie Madoff went belly-up - they invested their money with him on the basis that he was a fellow Jew and, therefore, due diligence wasn't necessary.
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9/4/2009 8:01:23 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
You guys are only listing the excuses men have used, to justify to themselves, why they have persecuted Jews through the ages.
The biggest one of course, and the most ridiculous, is that they killed Christ. Even though Jesus was Himself a Jew.
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9/4/2009 2:59:57 PM
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At 9/3/2009 6:20:21 PM, DATCMOTO wrote:
At 9/3/2009 5:33:07 PM, AnimeFanTony wrote:
So if God knew they would be hated if he picked them why did he pick them then allow a bunch to die in the Holocaust? If he cared he would have spared more.
Just image poor innocent Jewish babies going to the crematories just because God "loves them". Thats a new way of showing love.

It was WE that allowed them to die..
Just as WE allow a vastly superior holocaust of innocents to die every year: in the murder of unborn children.
It starts with us.. with you.. YOU do YOUR part.

It's ok me and my dangerous gang of hooligans beat up abortion doctors all the time. Were thinking of becoming a radical group.
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9/4/2009 3:10:52 PM
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At 9/4/2009 2:59:57 PM, AFT wrote:
At 9/3/2009 6:20:21 PM, DATCMOTO wrote:
At 9/3/2009 5:33:07 PM, AnimeFanTony wrote:
So if God knew they would be hated if he picked them why did he pick them then allow a bunch to die in the Holocaust? If he cared he would have spared more.
Just image poor innocent Jewish babies going to the crematories just because God "loves them". Thats a new way of showing love.

It was WE that allowed them to die..
Just as WE allow a vastly superior holocaust of innocents to die every year: in the murder of unborn children.
It starts with us.. with you.. YOU do YOUR part.

It's ok me and my dangerous gang of hooligans beat up abortion doctors all the time. Were thinking of becoming a radical group.

Mmm.. you're so dangerous that you cannot hold onto an account for more than 5 minutes.. radical.
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9/4/2009 4:41:26 PM
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The Jews set up in the Middle East, and say they're the shizzle. They become not so shizzle, so a guy comes along reforming the Jewish church, calling it Christianity, and everyone thinks this is the Shizzle, mainly Europeans. Then, a guy re-reforms this church, and everyone in Arabia thinks Islam is the shizzle. Whilst the Muslims and Christians are fighting, they have one common enemy, the guys that ain't so shizzle and they're common enemy - Jews.

This is fine and dandy up untill WW2 (British aristocrats commended Hitler ignoring the Concentration camps, Anti-Semitism was common). When they're tortured, everybody goes "Oh hai, sorri about teh last two millennia or so. Friends :D?"
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9/4/2009 5:42:30 PM
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At 9/3/2009 3:48:39 PM, Nags wrote:
I think AnimeFanTony = TheDevil.

You can have more than one account open at the same time you know.

How do you know that you can have more than one account open at a time?

I think you are the devil.

Whos the devil...besides the devil.
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9/4/2009 6:26:46 PM
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At 9/4/2009 5:42:30 PM, NotPurpleHaze wrote:
At 9/3/2009 3:48:39 PM, Nags wrote:
I think AnimeFanTony = TheDevil.

You can have more than one account open at the same time you know.

How do you know that you can have more than one account open at a time?

I think you are the devil.

Whos the devil...besides the devil.

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9/4/2009 10:10:39 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 9/3/2009 3:16:04 PM, brian_eggleston wrote:

Perhaps somebody could explain why either:

A - throughout history Jews have attracted so much more hatred than almost any other ethnic or religious group, or;

Stigma from being "Christ-killers."
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9/5/2009 1:13:21 AM
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At 9/4/2009 10:10:39 PM, JustCallMeTarzan wrote:
At 9/3/2009 3:16:04 PM, brian_eggleston wrote:

Perhaps somebody could explain why either:

A - throughout history Jews have attracted so much more hatred than almost any other ethnic or religious group, or;

Stigma from being "Christ-killers."

"The biggest one of course, and the most ridiculous, is that they killed Christ. Even though Jesus was Himself a Jew."

*from 2nd page of THIS topic* DO try to keep up.
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9/5/2009 1:58:21 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 9/5/2009 1:13:21 AM, DATCMOTO wrote:
At 9/4/2009 10:10:39 PM, JustCallMeTarzan wrote:
At 9/3/2009 3:16:04 PM, brian_eggleston wrote:

Perhaps somebody could explain why either:

A - throughout history Jews have attracted so much more hatred than almost any other ethnic or religious group, or;

Stigma from being "Christ-killers."

"The biggest one of course, and the most ridiculous, is that they killed Christ. Even though Jesus was Himself a Jew."

*from 2nd page of THIS topic* DO try to keep up.

And of course, if you keep up half as well, you would realize that this stigma was why the catholic and protestant Christian nazi's were "justified" in their purging. Well, that, and that during WWI, the Kaiser of Germany switched to civilian government of a couple people of Jewish descent, who signed an armistice and "betrayed" Germany.

Also, the Jews were forbidden from owning property and thus had become very successful tradesmen, which in turn garnered them most of the wealth, so they made perfect scapegoats for the failing German economy between the World Wars.

Don't speak when you don't have any real idea what's going on.
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9/5/2009 2:37:41 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 9/5/2009 1:58:21 AM, JustCallMeTarzan wrote:
At 9/5/2009 1:13:21 AM, DATCMOTO wrote:
At 9/4/2009 10:10:39 PM, JustCallMeTarzan wrote:
At 9/3/2009 3:16:04 PM, brian_eggleston wrote:

Perhaps somebody could explain why either:

A - throughout history Jews have attracted so much more hatred than almost any other ethnic or religious group, or;

Stigma from being "Christ-killers."

"The biggest one of course, and the most ridiculous, is that they killed Christ. Even though Jesus was Himself a Jew."

*from 2nd page of THIS topic* DO try to keep up.

And of course, if you keep up half as well, you would realize that this stigma was why the catholic and protestant Christian nazi's were "justified" in their purging. Well, that, and that during WWI, the Kaiser of Germany switched to civilian government of a couple people of Jewish descent, who signed an armistice and "betrayed" Germany.

Also, the Jews were forbidden from owning property and thus had become very successful tradesmen, which in turn garnered them most of the wealth, so they made perfect scapegoats for the failing German economy between the World Wars.

Don't speak when you don't have any real idea what's going on.

It one of the few epochs in history I'm conversant with, actually.
Anti semitism was rampant in most parts of the west.
For many, including Hitler, it went hand in hand with a hatred of communism: They saw it, with some justification, as a Jewish threat.
Hitler rose to power on an anti-communism ticket, not anti-Jew.
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9/5/2009 9:51:53 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 9/4/2009 10:10:39 PM, JustCallMeTarzan wrote:
At 9/3/2009 3:16:04 PM, brian_eggleston wrote:

Perhaps somebody could explain why either:

A - throughout history Jews have attracted so much more hatred than almost any other ethnic or religious group, or;

Stigma from being "Christ-killers."

Nah, that's a post-rationalization, I think.
So prove me wrong, then.