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8/2/2012 1:02:35 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
For the last 1,900 years, Christianity had been assuming that ancient Jewish law was divided into two categories: morality and ritual. The historical record documents that this simply wasn't so. Christianity had been interpreting Jesus' teachings based on an erroneous assumption.

The ancient Jewish nation divided the commandments of their
law into Justices and Jobs:
•Justices were all the commandments based on "Love your neighbor as
yourself."

•Jobs were all the rest (such as ritual and sexual taboos).

As scholars on ancient Jewish law attest:

"all of the commandments between man and man are included in this
precept of loving one's neighbor."—Pinchas Horowitz

"forbidden sexual acts are classified as transgressions between
man and God."—Maimonides

The commandments within people were the Justices. They were based on, "Love your neighbor as yourself." The commandments were between people and God were the Jobs. They included the rituals and sexual taboos.

Examples of Justices and Jobs

Justices
(Love your neighbor)
Do not murder
Do not steal
Do not lie
Do not rape

Jobs
(Ritual and sexual taboos)
Do not eat shellfish
Do not wear garments made out of two
fabrics
Men with genital injuries cannot enter the
congregation
Do not engage in homosexual
intercourse
Do not have sex with your wife during her
menstrual cycle

In the first century, the Justices were designated on the precept, "Love your neighbor as yourself"—the group of commandments that didn't include the prohibition on homosexuality. Christians overlooked an important pattern about the New Testament's use of this. Jesus, Paul, and James all have teachings in which they:
•Only list Justices

•Cite the precept, "Love your neighbor as yourself."

Consider this:

And someone came to Jesus and said, "Teacher, which good thing must I do that
I may have eternal life?" (Matthew 19-16)

But he answered him, "Why are you asking me about what is good? There is only
one who is good. But if you want to enter into that life, keep the
commandments." (Matthew 19-17)

The man said to him, "Which ones?"

And Jesus said, "Don't murder, don't commit adultery, don't steal, don't
lie, honor your father and mother—love your neighbor as
yourself." (Matthew 19-18)

Notice that Jesus:
•Only listed Justices

•Cited the precept, "Love your neighbor as yourself."

When the man asked which commandments he must follow to inherit eternal life, Jesus said, "Only the Justices." All the Jobs, including the prohibition on homosexuality, were deliberately and purposely excluded.

Consider the following teaching of Paul.

He who loves others has fulfilled the Law because "don't commit adultery,"
"don't murder," "don't steal," "don't covet," and if there is any other
commandment it is summed up in these words: "Love your neighbor as
yourself."

Notice that Paul:

• Only listed Justices
•Cited the precept, "Love your neighbor as yourself."

Anyone who loves others fulfills the entire Law because only the Justices are the Law. None of the Jobs, including the prohibition on homosexuality, were part of the law. Consider the following teaching of James:

If you are fulfilling the King's law according to scripture, "Love your
neighbor as yourself," you are behaving well. But if you are showing
partiality based on personal appearances, you are committing sin, and are
indicted under the Law as lawbreakers.

For anyone who keeps the whole law, but is at fault on one count, has turned
guilty on all counts. He who said "Do not commit adultery" also said
"Do not murder." If you are not going to commit adultery, but are going
to murder, you have become a lawbreaker.

Speak and act like people who are about to be judged by the Law of Freedom;
for judgment without compassion will be for the one who has not shown
compassion. Compassion triumphs over judgment.

Notice that James:
•Only listed Justices, and

•Cited the precept, "Love your neighbor as yourself."

James taught that everyone will be judged by the Justices (what he called 'the Law of Freedom'). Therefore, he concluded that everyone who treats others compassionately will triumph on judgment day.

Here we have an undeniable pattern! Jesus, Paul, and James:
•Only listed Justices, and

•Cited the precept, "Love your neighbor as yourself."

Christianity overlooked this important pattern. Jesus, Paul, and James each taught about the Justices—the group of commandments that didn't include the prohibition on homosexuality. And each, in their own particular way, taught that the Justices were the entirety of Christian obligation!

Jesus told the rich young ruler that everyone who keeps the Justices will
inherit eternal life.

Paul taught that everyone who keeps the Justices fulfills the entire
Law.

James taught that everyone who keeps the Justices will triumph on judgment
day.

Lack of the knowledge about Jobs and Justices has caused confusion for 1,900 years!

Summary:
Jesus taught five times that only the Justices matter. Paul taught three times that only the Justices matter. Historical reality was very different than religious scholars had previously thought. (2) (3)
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8/2/2012 1:54:11 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/2/2012 1:02:35 PM, 1dustpelt wrote:
For the last 1,900 years, Christianity had been assuming that ancient Jewish law was divided into two categories: morality and ritual. The historical record documents that this simply wasn't so. Christianity had been interpreting Jesus' teachings based on an erroneous assumption.

The ancient Jewish nation divided the commandments of their
law into Justices and Jobs:
•Justices were all the commandments based on "Love your neighbor as
yourself."


•Jobs were all the rest (such as ritual and sexual taboos).

As scholars on ancient Jewish law attest:


"all of the commandments between man and man are included in this
precept of loving one's neighbor."—Pinchas Horowitz

"forbidden sexual acts are classified as transgressions between
man and God."—Maimonides

The commandments within people were the Justices. They were based on, "Love your neighbor as yourself." The commandments were between people and God were the Jobs. They included the rituals and sexual taboos.

Examples of Justices and Jobs

Justices
(Love your neighbor)
Do not murder
Do not steal
Do not lie
Do not rape

Jobs
(Ritual and sexual taboos)
Do not eat shellfish
Do not wear garments made out of two
fabrics
Men with genital injuries cannot enter the
congregation
Do not engage in homosexual
intercourse
Do not have sex with your wife during her
menstrual cycle

In the first century, the Justices were designated on the precept, "Love your neighbor as yourself"—the group of commandments that didn't include the prohibition on homosexuality. Christians overlooked an important pattern about the New Testament's use of this. Jesus, Paul, and James all have teachings in which they:
•Only list Justices


•Cite the precept, "Love your neighbor as yourself."



Consider this:


And someone came to Jesus and said, "Teacher, which good thing must I do that
I may have eternal life?" (Matthew 19-16)

But he answered him, "Why are you asking me about what is good? There is only
one who is good. But if you want to enter into that life, keep the
commandments." (Matthew 19-17)

The man said to him, "Which ones?"

And Jesus said, "Don't murder, don't commit adultery, don't steal, don't
lie, honor your father and mother—love your neighbor as
yourself." (Matthew 19-18)

Notice that Jesus:
•Only listed Justices


•Cited the precept, "Love your neighbor as yourself."



When the man asked which commandments he must follow to inherit eternal life, Jesus said, "Only the Justices." All the Jobs, including the prohibition on homosexuality, were deliberately and purposely excluded.

Consider the following teaching of Paul.


He who loves others has fulfilled the Law because "don't commit adultery,"
"don't murder," "don't steal," "don't covet," and if there is any other
commandment it is summed up in these words: "Love your neighbor as
yourself."

Notice that Paul:

• Only listed Justices
•Cited the precept, "Love your neighbor as yourself."

Anyone who loves others fulfills the entire Law because only the Justices are the Law. None of the Jobs, including the prohibition on homosexuality, were part of the law. Consider the following teaching of James:


If you are fulfilling the King's law according to scripture, "Love your
neighbor as yourself," you are behaving well. But if you are showing
partiality based on personal appearances, you are committing sin, and are
indicted under the Law as lawbreakers.

For anyone who keeps the whole law, but is at fault on one count, has turned
guilty on all counts. He who said "Do not commit adultery" also said
"Do not murder." If you are not going to commit adultery, but are going
to murder, you have become a lawbreaker.

Speak and act like people who are about to be judged by the Law of Freedom;
for judgment without compassion will be for the one who has not shown
compassion. Compassion triumphs over judgment.

Notice that James:
•Only listed Justices, and


•Cited the precept, "Love your neighbor as yourself."



James taught that everyone will be judged by the Justices (what he called 'the Law of Freedom'). Therefore, he concluded that everyone who treats others compassionately will triumph on judgment day.

Here we have an undeniable pattern! Jesus, Paul, and James:
•Only listed Justices, and


•Cited the precept, "Love your neighbor as yourself."


Christianity overlooked this important pattern. Jesus, Paul, and James each taught about the Justices—the group of commandments that didn't include the prohibition on homosexuality. And each, in their own particular way, taught that the Justices were the entirety of Christian obligation!


Jesus told the rich young ruler that everyone who keeps the Justices will
inherit eternal life.

Paul taught that everyone who keeps the Justices fulfills the entire
Law.

James taught that everyone who keeps the Justices will triumph on judgment
day.

Lack of the knowledge about Jobs and Justices has caused confusion for 1,900 years!



Summary:
Jesus taught five times that only the Justices matter. Paul taught three times that only the Justices matter. Historical reality was very different than religious scholars had previously thought. (2) (3)

^All the above it literally nonsense.
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8/2/2012 2:26:28 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/2/2012 1:54:11 PM, ScottyDouglas wrote:
At 8/2/2012 1:02:35 PM, 1dustpelt wrote:
For the last 1,900 years, Christianity had been assuming that ancient Jewish law was divided into two categories: morality and ritual. The historical record documents that this simply wasn't so. Christianity had been interpreting Jesus' teachings based on an erroneous assumption.

The ancient Jewish nation divided the commandments of their
law into Justices and Jobs:
•Justices were all the commandments based on "Love your neighbor as
yourself."


•Jobs were all the rest (such as ritual and sexual taboos).

As scholars on ancient Jewish law attest:


"all of the commandments between man and man are included in this
precept of loving one's neighbor."—Pinchas Horowitz

"forbidden sexual acts are classified as transgressions between
man and God."—Maimonides

The commandments within people were the Justices. They were based on, "Love your neighbor as yourself." The commandments were between people and God were the Jobs. They included the rituals and sexual taboos.

Examples of Justices and Jobs

Justices
(Love your neighbor)
Do not murder
Do not steal
Do not lie
Do not rape

Jobs
(Ritual and sexual taboos)
Do not eat shellfish
Do not wear garments made out of two
fabrics
Men with genital injuries cannot enter the
congregation
Do not engage in homosexual
intercourse
Do not have sex with your wife during her
menstrual cycle

In the first century, the Justices were designated on the precept, "Love your neighbor as yourself"—the group of commandments that didn't include the prohibition on homosexuality. Christians overlooked an important pattern about the New Testament's use of this. Jesus, Paul, and James all have teachings in which they:
•Only list Justices


•Cite the precept, "Love your neighbor as yourself."



Consider this:


And someone came to Jesus and said, "Teacher, which good thing must I do that
I may have eternal life?" (Matthew 19-16)

But he answered him, "Why are you asking me about what is good? There is only
one who is good. But if you want to enter into that life, keep the
commandments." (Matthew 19-17)

The man said to him, "Which ones?"

And Jesus said, "Don't murder, don't commit adultery, don't steal, don't
lie, honor your father and mother—love your neighbor as
yourself." (Matthew 19-18)

Notice that Jesus:
•Only listed Justices


•Cited the precept, "Love your neighbor as yourself."



When the man asked which commandments he must follow to inherit eternal life, Jesus said, "Only the Justices." All the Jobs, including the prohibition on homosexuality, were deliberately and purposely excluded.

Consider the following teaching of Paul.


He who loves others has fulfilled the Law because "don't commit adultery,"
"don't murder," "don't steal," "don't covet," and if there is any other
commandment it is summed up in these words: "Love your neighbor as
yourself."

Notice that Paul:

• Only listed Justices
•Cited the precept, "Love your neighbor as yourself."

Anyone who loves others fulfills the entire Law because only the Justices are the Law. None of the Jobs, including the prohibition on homosexuality, were part of the law. Consider the following teaching of James:


If you are fulfilling the King's law according to scripture, "Love your
neighbor as yourself," you are behaving well. But if you are showing
partiality based on personal appearances, you are committing sin, and are
indicted under the Law as lawbreakers.

For anyone who keeps the whole law, but is at fault on one count, has turned
guilty on all counts. He who said "Do not commit adultery" also said
"Do not murder." If you are not going to commit adultery, but are going
to murder, you have become a lawbreaker.

Speak and act like people who are about to be judged by the Law of Freedom;
for judgment without compassion will be for the one who has not shown
compassion. Compassion triumphs over judgment.

Notice that James:
•Only listed Justices, and


•Cited the precept, "Love your neighbor as yourself."



James taught that everyone will be judged by the Justices (what he called 'the Law of Freedom'). Therefore, he concluded that everyone who treats others compassionately will triumph on judgment day.

Here we have an undeniable pattern! Jesus, Paul, and James:
•Only listed Justices, and


•Cited the precept, "Love your neighbor as yourself."


Christianity overlooked this important pattern. Jesus, Paul, and James each taught about the Justices—the group of commandments that didn't include the prohibition on homosexuality. And each, in their own particular way, taught that the Justices were the entirety of Christian obligation!


Jesus told the rich young ruler that everyone who keeps the Justices will
inherit eternal life.

Paul taught that everyone who keeps the Justices fulfills the entire
Law.

James taught that everyone who keeps the Justices will triumph on judgment
day.

Lack of the knowledge about Jobs and Justices has caused confusion for 1,900 years!



Summary:
Jesus taught five times that only the Justices matter. Paul taught three times that only the Justices matter. Historical reality was very different than religious scholars had previously thought. (2) (3)

^All the above it literally nonsense.

Try to refute it.
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8/2/2012 2:30:31 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Jesus wishes us not to concern ourselves with his concerns. Any further questions...?
But we try to pretend, you see, that the external world exists altogether independently of us.
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8/2/2012 2:40:06 PM
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^All the above it literally nonsense.:

^Awesome counter-argument.
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8/2/2012 2:40:42 PM
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At 8/2/2012 2:40:06 PM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
^All the above it literally nonsense.:

^Awesome counter-argument.
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8/2/2012 2:46:06 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/2/2012 2:26:28 PM, 1dustpelt wrote:
At 8/2/2012 1:54:11 PM, ScottyDouglas wrote:
At 8/2/2012 1:02:35 PM, 1dustpelt wrote:
For the last 1,900 years, Christianity had been assuming that ancient Jewish law was divided into two categories: morality and ritual. The historical record documents that this simply wasn't so. Christianity had been interpreting Jesus' teachings based on an erroneous assumption.

The ancient Jewish nation divided the commandments of their
law into Justices and Jobs:
•Justices were all the commandments based on "Love your neighbor as
yourself."


•Jobs were all the rest (such as ritual and sexual taboos).

As scholars on ancient Jewish law attest:


"all of the commandments between man and man are included in this
precept of loving one's neighbor."—Pinchas Horowitz

"forbidden sexual acts are classified as transgressions between
man and God."—Maimonides

The commandments within people were the Justices. They were based on, "Love your neighbor as yourself." The commandments were between people and God were the Jobs. They included the rituals and sexual taboos.

Examples of Justices and Jobs

Justices
(Love your neighbor)
Do not murder
Do not steal
Do not lie
Do not rape

Jobs
(Ritual and sexual taboos)
Do not eat shellfish
Do not wear garments made out of two
fabrics
Men with genital injuries cannot enter the
congregation
Do not engage in homosexual
intercourse
Do not have sex with your wife during her
menstrual cycle

In the first century, the Justices were designated on the precept, "Love your neighbor as yourself"—the group of commandments that didn't include the prohibition on homosexuality. Christians overlooked an important pattern about the New Testament's use of this. Jesus, Paul, and James all have teachings in which they:
•Only list Justices


•Cite the precept, "Love your neighbor as yourself."



Consider this:


And someone came to Jesus and said, "Teacher, which good thing must I do that
I may have eternal life?" (Matthew 19-16)

But he answered him, "Why are you asking me about what is good? There is only
one who is good. But if you want to enter into that life, keep the
commandments." (Matthew 19-17)

The man said to him, "Which ones?"

And Jesus said, "Don't murder, don't commit adultery, don't steal, don't
lie, honor your father and mother—love your neighbor as
yourself." (Matthew 19-18)

Notice that Jesus:
•Only listed Justices


•Cited the precept, "Love your neighbor as yourself."



When the man asked which commandments he must follow to inherit eternal life, Jesus said, "Only the Justices." All the Jobs, including the prohibition on homosexuality, were deliberately and purposely excluded.

Consider the following teaching of Paul.


He who loves others has fulfilled the Law because "don't commit adultery,"
"don't murder," "don't steal," "don't covet," and if there is any other
commandment it is summed up in these words: "Love your neighbor as
yourself."

Notice that Paul:

• Only listed Justices
•Cited the precept, "Love your neighbor as yourself."

Anyone who loves others fulfills the entire Law because only the Justices are the Law. None of the Jobs, including the prohibition on homosexuality, were part of the law. Consider the following teaching of James:


If you are fulfilling the King's law according to scripture, "Love your
neighbor as yourself," you are behaving well. But if you are showing
partiality based on personal appearances, you are committing sin, and are
indicted under the Law as lawbreakers.

For anyone who keeps the whole law, but is at fault on one count, has turned
guilty on all counts. He who said "Do not commit adultery" also said
"Do not murder." If you are not going to commit adultery, but are going
to murder, you have become a lawbreaker.

Speak and act like people who are about to be judged by the Law of Freedom;
for judgment without compassion will be for the one who has not shown
compassion. Compassion triumphs over judgment.

Notice that James:
•Only listed Justices, and


•Cited the precept, "Love your neighbor as yourself."



James taught that everyone will be judged by the Justices (what he called 'the Law of Freedom'). Therefore, he concluded that everyone who treats others compassionately will triumph on judgment day.

Here we have an undeniable pattern! Jesus, Paul, and James:
•Only listed Justices, and


•Cited the precept, "Love your neighbor as yourself."


Christianity overlooked this important pattern. Jesus, Paul, and James each taught about the Justices—the group of commandments that didn't include the prohibition on homosexuality. And each, in their own particular way, taught that the Justices were the entirety of Christian obligation!


Jesus told the rich young ruler that everyone who keeps the Justices will
inherit eternal life.

Paul taught that everyone who keeps the Justices fulfills the entire
Law.

James taught that everyone who keeps the Justices will triumph on judgment
day.

Lack of the knowledge about Jobs and Justices has caused confusion for 1,900 years!



Summary:
Jesus taught five times that only the Justices matter. Paul taught three times that only the Justices matter. Historical reality was very different than religious scholars had previously thought. (2) (3)

^All the above it literally nonsense.

Try to refute it.

Sure. Here your go...
http://www.student-preacher.com...
Um....You've got a log in your eye.
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8/2/2012 2:47:07 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/2/2012 2:46:06 PM, GenesisCreation wrote:
At 8/2/2012 2:26:28 PM, 1dustpelt wrote:
At 8/2/2012 1:54:11 PM, ScottyDouglas wrote:
At 8/2/2012 1:02:35 PM, 1dustpelt wrote:
For the last 1,900 years, Christianity had been assuming that ancient Jewish law was divided into two categories: morality and ritual. The historical record documents that this simply wasn't so. Christianity had been interpreting Jesus' teachings based on an erroneous assumption.

The ancient Jewish nation divided the commandments of their
law into Justices and Jobs:
•Justices were all the commandments based on "Love your neighbor as
yourself."


•Jobs were all the rest (such as ritual and sexual taboos).

As scholars on ancient Jewish law attest:


"all of the commandments between man and man are included in this
precept of loving one's neighbor."—Pinchas Horowitz

"forbidden sexual acts are classified as transgressions between
man and God."—Maimonides

The commandments within people were the Justices. They were based on, "Love your neighbor as yourself." The commandments were between people and God were the Jobs. They included the rituals and sexual taboos.

Examples of Justices and Jobs

Justices
(Love your neighbor)
Do not murder
Do not steal
Do not lie
Do not rape

Jobs
(Ritual and sexual taboos)
Do not eat shellfish
Do not wear garments made out of two
fabrics
Men with genital injuries cannot enter the
congregation
Do not engage in homosexual
intercourse
Do not have sex with your wife during her
menstrual cycle

In the first century, the Justices were designated on the precept, "Love your neighbor as yourself"—the group of commandments that didn't include the prohibition on homosexuality. Christians overlooked an important pattern about the New Testament's use of this. Jesus, Paul, and James all have teachings in which they:
•Only list Justices


•Cite the precept, "Love your neighbor as yourself."



Consider this:


And someone came to Jesus and said, "Teacher, which good thing must I do that
I may have eternal life?" (Matthew 19-16)

But he answered him, "Why are you asking me about what is good? There is only
one who is good. But if you want to enter into that life, keep the
commandments." (Matthew 19-17)

The man said to him, "Which ones?"

And Jesus said, "Don't murder, don't commit adultery, don't steal, don't
lie, honor your father and mother—love your neighbor as
yourself." (Matthew 19-18)

Notice that Jesus:
•Only listed Justices


•Cited the precept, "Love your neighbor as yourself."



When the man asked which commandments he must follow to inherit eternal life, Jesus said, "Only the Justices." All the Jobs, including the prohibition on homosexuality, were deliberately and purposely excluded.

Consider the following teaching of Paul.


He who loves others has fulfilled the Law because "don't commit adultery,"
"don't murder," "don't steal," "don't covet," and if there is any other
commandment it is summed up in these words: "Love your neighbor as
yourself."

Notice that Paul:

• Only listed Justices
•Cited the precept, "Love your neighbor as yourself."

Anyone who loves others fulfills the entire Law because only the Justices are the Law. None of the Jobs, including the prohibition on homosexuality, were part of the law. Consider the following teaching of James:


If you are fulfilling the King's law according to scripture, "Love your
neighbor as yourself," you are behaving well. But if you are showing
partiality based on personal appearances, you are committing sin, and are
indicted under the Law as lawbreakers.

For anyone who keeps the whole law, but is at fault on one count, has turned
guilty on all counts. He who said "Do not commit adultery" also said
"Do not murder." If you are not going to commit adultery, but are going
to murder, you have become a lawbreaker.

Speak and act like people who are about to be judged by the Law of Freedom;
for judgment without compassion will be for the one who has not shown
compassion. Compassion triumphs over judgment.

Notice that James:
•Only listed Justices, and


•Cited the precept, "Love your neighbor as yourself."



James taught that everyone will be judged by the Justices (what he called 'the Law of Freedom'). Therefore, he concluded that everyone who treats others compassionately will triumph on judgment day.

Here we have an undeniable pattern! Jesus, Paul, and James:
•Only listed Justices, and


•Cited the precept, "Love your neighbor as yourself."


Christianity overlooked this important pattern. Jesus, Paul, and James each taught about the Justices—the group of commandments that didn't include the prohibition on homosexuality. And each, in their own particular way, taught that the Justices were the entirety of Christian obligation!


Jesus told the rich young ruler that everyone who keeps the Justices will
inherit eternal life.

Paul taught that everyone who keeps the Justices fulfills the entire
Law.

James taught that everyone who keeps the Justices will triumph on judgment
day.

Lack of the knowledge about Jobs and Justices has caused confusion for 1,900 years!



Summary:
Jesus taught five times that only the Justices matter. Paul taught three times that only the Justices matter. Historical reality was very different than religious scholars had previously thought. (2) (3)

^All the above it literally nonsense.

Try to refute it.

Sure. Here your go...
http://www.student-preacher.com...

That's not a refutation, that's a link written by somebody else.
But we try to pretend, you see, that the external world exists altogether independently of us.
- - - Watts
The moralist is the person who tells people that they ought to be unselfish, when they still feel like egos, and his efforts are always and invariably futile.
- - - Watts
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8/2/2012 2:48:44 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/2/2012 1:38:31 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
http://www.wouldjesusdiscriminate.org...

Is that source legit?

WTF is that source
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8/2/2012 2:49:42 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/2/2012 2:46:06 PM, GenesisCreation wrote:
At 8/2/2012 2:26:28 PM, 1dustpelt wrote:
At 8/2/2012 1:54:11 PM, ScottyDouglas wrote:
At 8/2/2012 1:02:35 PM, 1dustpelt wrote:
For the last 1,900 years, Christianity had been assuming that ancient Jewish law was divided into two categories: morality and ritual. The historical record documents that this simply wasn't so. Christianity had been interpreting Jesus' teachings based on an erroneous assumption.

The ancient Jewish nation divided the commandments of their
law into Justices and Jobs:
•Justices were all the commandments based on "Love your neighbor as
yourself."


•Jobs were all the rest (such as ritual and sexual taboos).

As scholars on ancient Jewish law attest:


"all of the commandments between man and man are included in this
precept of loving one's neighbor."—Pinchas Horowitz

"forbidden sexual acts are classified as transgressions between
man and God."—Maimonides

The commandments within people were the Justices. They were based on, "Love your neighbor as yourself." The commandments were between people and God were the Jobs. They included the rituals and sexual taboos.

Examples of Justices and Jobs

Justices
(Love your neighbor)
Do not murder
Do not steal
Do not lie
Do not rape

Jobs
(Ritual and sexual taboos)
Do not eat shellfish
Do not wear garments made out of two
fabrics
Men with genital injuries cannot enter the
congregation
Do not engage in homosexual
intercourse
Do not have sex with your wife during her
menstrual cycle

In the first century, the Justices were designated on the precept, "Love your neighbor as yourself"—the group of commandments that didn't include the prohibition on homosexuality. Christians overlooked an important pattern about the New Testament's use of this. Jesus, Paul, and James all have teachings in which they:
•Only list Justices


•Cite the precept, "Love your neighbor as yourself."



Consider this:


And someone came to Jesus and said, "Teacher, which good thing must I do that
I may have eternal life?" (Matthew 19-16)

But he answered him, "Why are you asking me about what is good? There is only
one who is good. But if you want to enter into that life, keep the
commandments." (Matthew 19-17)

The man said to him, "Which ones?"

And Jesus said, "Don't murder, don't commit adultery, don't steal, don't
lie, honor your father and mother—love your neighbor as
yourself." (Matthew 19-18)

Notice that Jesus:
•Only listed Justices


•Cited the precept, "Love your neighbor as yourself."



When the man asked which commandments he must follow to inherit eternal life, Jesus said, "Only the Justices." All the Jobs, including the prohibition on homosexuality, were deliberately and purposely excluded.

Consider the following teaching of Paul.


He who loves others has fulfilled the Law because "don't commit adultery,"
"don't murder," "don't steal," "don't covet," and if there is any other
commandment it is summed up in these words: "Love your neighbor as
yourself."

Notice that Paul:

• Only listed Justices
•Cited the precept, "Love your neighbor as yourself."

Anyone who loves others fulfills the entire Law because only the Justices are the Law. None of the Jobs, including the prohibition on homosexuality, were part of the law. Consider the following teaching of James:


If you are fulfilling the King's law according to scripture, "Love your
neighbor as yourself," you are behaving well. But if you are showing
partiality based on personal appearances, you are committing sin, and are
indicted under the Law as lawbreakers.

For anyone who keeps the whole law, but is at fault on one count, has turned
guilty on all counts. He who said "Do not commit adultery" also said
"Do not murder." If you are not going to commit adultery, but are going
to murder, you have become a lawbreaker.

Speak and act like people who are about to be judged by the Law of Freedom;
for judgment without compassion will be for the one who has not shown
compassion. Compassion triumphs over judgment.

Notice that James:
•Only listed Justices, and


•Cited the precept, "Love your neighbor as yourself."



James taught that everyone will be judged by the Justices (what he called 'the Law of Freedom'). Therefore, he concluded that everyone who treats others compassionately will triumph on judgment day.

Here we have an undeniable pattern! Jesus, Paul, and James:
•Only listed Justices, and


•Cited the precept, "Love your neighbor as yourself."


Christianity overlooked this important pattern. Jesus, Paul, and James each taught about the Justices—the group of commandments that didn't include the prohibition on homosexuality. And each, in their own particular way, taught that the Justices were the entirety of Christian obligation!


Jesus told the rich young ruler that everyone who keeps the Justices will
inherit eternal life.

Paul taught that everyone who keeps the Justices fulfills the entire
Law.

James taught that everyone who keeps the Justices will triumph on judgment
day.

Lack of the knowledge about Jobs and Justices has caused confusion for 1,900 years!



Summary:
Jesus taught five times that only the Justices matter. Paul taught three times that only the Justices matter. Historical reality was very different than religious scholars had previously thought. (2) (3)

^All the above it literally nonsense.

Try to refute it.

Sure. Here your go...
http://www.student-preacher.com...

That is not a refutation that is the Bible
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8/2/2012 2:52:48 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/2/2012 2:49:42 PM, 1dustpelt wrote:
At 8/2/2012 2:46:06 PM, GenesisCreation wrote:
At 8/2/2012 2:26:28 PM, 1dustpelt wrote:
At 8/2/2012 1:54:11 PM, ScottyDouglas wrote:
At 8/2/2012 1:02:35 PM, 1dustpelt wrote:
For the last 1,900 years, Christianity had been assuming that ancient Jewish law was divided into two categories: morality and ritual. The historical record documents that this simply wasn't so. Christianity had been interpreting Jesus' teachings based on an erroneous assumption.

The ancient Jewish nation divided the commandments of their
law into Justices and Jobs:
•Justices were all the commandments based on "Love your neighbor as
yourself."


•Jobs were all the rest (such as ritual and sexual taboos).

As scholars on ancient Jewish law attest:


"all of the commandments between man and man are included in this
precept of loving one's neighbor."—Pinchas Horowitz

"forbidden sexual acts are classified as transgressions between
man and God."—Maimonides

The commandments within people were the Justices. They were based on, "Love your neighbor as yourself." The commandments were between people and God were the Jobs. They included the rituals and sexual taboos.

Examples of Justices and Jobs

Justices
(Love your neighbor)
Do not murder
Do not steal
Do not lie
Do not rape

Jobs
(Ritual and sexual taboos)
Do not eat shellfish
Do not wear garments made out of two
fabrics
Men with genital injuries cannot enter the
congregation
Do not engage in homosexual
intercourse
Do not have sex with your wife during her
menstrual cycle

In the first century, the Justices were designated on the precept, "Love your neighbor as yourself"—the group of commandments that didn't include the prohibition on homosexuality. Christians overlooked an important pattern about the New Testament's use of this. Jesus, Paul, and James all have teachings in which they:
•Only list Justices


•Cite the precept, "Love your neighbor as yourself."



Consider this:


And someone came to Jesus and said, "Teacher, which good thing must I do that
I may have eternal life?" (Matthew 19-16)

But he answered him, "Why are you asking me about what is good? There is only
one who is good. But if you want to enter into that life, keep the
commandments." (Matthew 19-17)

The man said to him, "Which ones?"

And Jesus said, "Don't murder, don't commit adultery, don't steal, don't
lie, honor your father and mother—love your neighbor as
yourself." (Matthew 19-18)

Notice that Jesus:
•Only listed Justices


•Cited the precept, "Love your neighbor as yourself."



When the man asked which commandments he must follow to inherit eternal life, Jesus said, "Only the Justices." All the Jobs, including the prohibition on homosexuality, were deliberately and purposely excluded.

Consider the following teaching of Paul.


He who loves others has fulfilled the Law because "don't commit adultery,"
"don't murder," "don't steal," "don't covet," and if there is any other
commandment it is summed up in these words: "Love your neighbor as
yourself."

Notice that Paul:

• Only listed Justices
•Cited the precept, "Love your neighbor as yourself."

Anyone who loves others fulfills the entire Law because only the Justices are the Law. None of the Jobs, including the prohibition on homosexuality, were part of the law. Consider the following teaching of James:


If you are fulfilling the King's law according to scripture, "Love your
neighbor as yourself," you are behaving well. But if you are showing
partiality based on personal appearances, you are committing sin, and are
indicted under the Law as lawbreakers.

For anyone who keeps the whole law, but is at fault on one count, has turned
guilty on all counts. He who said "Do not commit adultery" also said
"Do not murder." If you are not going to commit adultery, but are going
to murder, you have become a lawbreaker.

Speak and act like people who are about to be judged by the Law of Freedom;
for judgment without compassion will be for the one who has not shown
compassion. Compassion triumphs over judgment.

Notice that James:
•Only listed Justices, and


•Cited the precept, "Love your neighbor as yourself."



James taught that everyone will be judged by the Justices (what he called 'the Law of Freedom'). Therefore, he concluded that everyone who treats others compassionately will triumph on judgment day.

Here we have an undeniable pattern! Jesus, Paul, and James:
•Only listed Justices, and


•Cited the precept, "Love your neighbor as yourself."


Christianity overlooked this important pattern. Jesus, Paul, and James each taught about the Justices—the group of commandments that didn't include the prohibition on homosexuality. And each, in their own particular way, taught that the Justices were the entirety of Christian obligation!


Jesus told the rich young ruler that everyone who keeps the Justices will
inherit eternal life.

Paul taught that everyone who keeps the Justices fulfills the entire
Law.

James taught that everyone who keeps the Justices will triumph on judgment
day.

Lack of the knowledge about Jobs and Justices has caused confusion for 1,900 years!



Summary:
Jesus taught five times that only the Justices matter. Paul taught three times that only the Justices matter. Historical reality was very different than religious scholars had previously thought. (2) (3)

^All the above it literally nonsense.

Try to refute it.

Sure. Here your go...
http://www.student-preacher.com...

That is not a refutation that is the Bible.

I hadn't even clicked on it. We should debate individual knowledge - Links are weak!
But we try to pretend, you see, that the external world exists altogether independently of us.
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The moralist is the person who tells people that they ought to be unselfish, when they still feel like egos, and his efforts are always and invariably futile.
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8/2/2012 3:13:08 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
The link to the Bible was an encouragement to actually read it but I'll entertain this discussion.

We know that ANY relationship outside of marriage is adultery. I'm going to state this axiomatically. I'll need scripture from anyone who disagrees.

If ANY relationship outside of marriage is adultery, then homosexuality is a sin because it does NOT meet the criteria of marriage. Marriage is a topic Jesus DID directly speak on:
Matthew 19 (ESV) "Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female, 5 and said, ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh'? 6 So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate."

This does not leave any room for ANY OTHER VERSION OF MARRIAGE!

(point 1 established) - Homosexuality is adultery
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The book of Romans clearly outlines that certain men will abandon natural relationships and engage in passions with each other. It calls the act an error which receives penalty:

Romans 1:26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

(Point 2 established) - Homosexuality is an unnatural error, a broken version of the intended design.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Homosexuality is called "unrighteousness". In the original text, it does not ONLY call them homosexuals, but goes so far as to establish gender roles, (i.e. masculine and effeminate homosexuals.)

1 Corinthians 6:9 - Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

(point 3 established) - Homosexuality is counted as unrighteous behavior that blocks salvation. Salvation requires faith, the evidence of which is repentance. If a man has not repented of homosexuality, he is not saved. Very clear scripture.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Let's start there.
Um....You've got a log in your eye.
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8/2/2012 3:18:15 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/2/2012 3:13:08 PM, GenesisCreation wrote:
The link to the Bible was an encouragement to actually read it but I'll entertain this discussion.

We know that ANY relationship outside of marriage is adultery. I'm going to state this axiomatically. I'll need scripture from anyone who disagrees.

If ANY relationship outside of marriage is adultery, then homosexuality is a sin because it does NOT meet the criteria of marriage. Marriage is a topic Jesus DID directly speak on:
Matthew 19 (ESV) "Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female, 5 and said, ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh'? 6 So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate."

This does not leave any room for ANY OTHER VERSION OF MARRIAGE!

(point 1 established) - Homosexuality is adultery
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The book of Romans clearly outlines that certain men will abandon natural relationships and engage in passions with each other. It calls the act an error which receives penalty:

Romans 1:26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

(Point 2 established) - Homosexuality is an unnatural error, a broken version of the intended design.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Homosexuality is called "unrighteousness". In the original text, it does not ONLY call them homosexuals, but goes so far as to establish gender roles, (i.e. masculine and effeminate homosexuals.)

1 Corinthians 6:9 - Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

(point 3 established) - Homosexuality is counted as unrighteous behavior that blocks salvation. Salvation requires faith, the evidence of which is repentance. If a man has not repented of homosexuality, he is not saved. Very clear scripture.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Let's start there.

That book is outdated...
But we try to pretend, you see, that the external world exists altogether independently of us.
- - - Watts
The moralist is the person who tells people that they ought to be unselfish, when they still feel like egos, and his efforts are always and invariably futile.
- - - Watts
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8/2/2012 3:19:06 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/2/2012 3:18:15 PM, CrazyPerson wrote:
At 8/2/2012 3:13:08 PM, GenesisCreation wrote:
The link to the Bible was an encouragement to actually read it but I'll entertain this discussion.

We know that ANY relationship outside of marriage is adultery. I'm going to state this axiomatically. I'll need scripture from anyone who disagrees.

If ANY relationship outside of marriage is adultery, then homosexuality is a sin because it does NOT meet the criteria of marriage. Marriage is a topic Jesus DID directly speak on:
Matthew 19 (ESV) "Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female, 5 and said, ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh'? 6 So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate."

This does not leave any room for ANY OTHER VERSION OF MARRIAGE!

(point 1 established) - Homosexuality is adultery
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The book of Romans clearly outlines that certain men will abandon natural relationships and engage in passions with each other. It calls the act an error which receives penalty:

Romans 1:26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

(Point 2 established) - Homosexuality is an unnatural error, a broken version of the intended design.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Homosexuality is called "unrighteousness". In the original text, it does not ONLY call them homosexuals, but goes so far as to establish gender roles, (i.e. masculine and effeminate homosexuals.)

1 Corinthians 6:9 - Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

(point 3 established) - Homosexuality is counted as unrighteous behavior that blocks salvation. Salvation requires faith, the evidence of which is repentance. If a man has not repented of homosexuality, he is not saved. Very clear scripture.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Let's start there.

That book is outdated...

You're free to think that, but it's relevant for this thread. Read the topic.
Um....You've got a log in your eye.
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8/2/2012 3:22:19 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/2/2012 3:19:06 PM, GenesisCreation wrote:
At 8/2/2012 3:18:15 PM, CrazyPerson wrote:
At 8/2/2012 3:13:08 PM, GenesisCreation wrote:
The link to the Bible was an encouragement to actually read it but I'll entertain this discussion.

We know that ANY relationship outside of marriage is adultery. I'm going to state this axiomatically. I'll need scripture from anyone who disagrees.

If ANY relationship outside of marriage is adultery, then homosexuality is a sin because it does NOT meet the criteria of marriage. Marriage is a topic Jesus DID directly speak on:
Matthew 19 (ESV) "Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female, 5 and said, ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh'? 6 So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate."

This does not leave any room for ANY OTHER VERSION OF MARRIAGE!

(point 1 established) - Homosexuality is adultery
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The book of Romans clearly outlines that certain men will abandon natural relationships and engage in passions with each other. It calls the act an error which receives penalty:

Romans 1:26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

(Point 2 established) - Homosexuality is an unnatural error, a broken version of the intended design.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Homosexuality is called "unrighteousness". In the original text, it does not ONLY call them homosexuals, but goes so far as to establish gender roles, (i.e. masculine and effeminate homosexuals.)

1 Corinthians 6:9 - Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

(point 3 established) - Homosexuality is counted as unrighteous behavior that blocks salvation. Salvation requires faith, the evidence of which is repentance. If a man has not repented of homosexuality, he is not saved. Very clear scripture.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Let's start there.

That book is outdated...

You're free to think that, but it's relevant for this thread. Read the topic.

Not really. You're saying for one, that homosexuality is adultery and your proof is from the Bible. That's not proof. Besides that, the Title of the topic is "Jesus was not against homosexuality" - I fail to see where you've hit the mark as well.
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- - - Watts
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8/2/2012 3:25:39 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Why act like marriage was invented by the bible?
But we try to pretend, you see, that the external world exists altogether independently of us.
- - - Watts
The moralist is the person who tells people that they ought to be unselfish, when they still feel like egos, and his efforts are always and invariably futile.
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8/2/2012 5:18:04 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/2/2012 2:49:42 PM, 1dustpelt wrote:
At 8/2/2012 2:46:06 PM, GenesisCreation wrote:
At 8/2/2012 2:26:28 PM, 1dustpelt wrote:
At 8/2/2012 1:54:11 PM, ScottyDouglas wrote:
At 8/2/2012 1:02:35 PM, 1dustpelt wrote:
For the last 1,900 years, Christianity had been assuming that ancient Jewish law was divided into two categories: morality and ritual. The historical record documents that this simply wasn't so. Christianity had been interpreting Jesus' teachings based on an erroneous assumption.

The ancient Jewish nation divided the commandments of their
law into Justices and Jobs:
•Justices were all the commandments based on "Love your neighbor as
yourself."


•Jobs were all the rest (such as ritual and sexual taboos).

As scholars on ancient Jewish law attest:


"all of the commandments between man and man are included in this
precept of loving one's neighbor."—Pinchas Horowitz

"forbidden sexual acts are classified as transgressions between
man and God."—Maimonides

The commandments within people were the Justices. They were based on, "Love your neighbor as yourself." The commandments were between people and God were the Jobs. They included the rituals and sexual taboos.

Examples of Justices and Jobs

Justices
(Love your neighbor)
Do not murder
Do not steal
Do not lie
Do not rape

Jobs
(Ritual and sexual taboos)
Do not eat shellfish
Do not wear garments made out of two
fabrics
Men with genital injuries cannot enter the
congregation
Do not engage in homosexual
intercourse
Do not have sex with your wife during her
menstrual cycle

In the first century, the Justices were designated on the precept, "Love your neighbor as yourself"—the group of commandments that didn't include the prohibition on homosexuality. Christians overlooked an important pattern about the New Testament's use of this. Jesus, Paul, and James all have teachings in which they:
•Only list Justices


•Cite the precept, "Love your neighbor as yourself."



Consider this:


And someone came to Jesus and said, "Teacher, which good thing must I do that
I may have eternal life?" (Matthew 19-16)

But he answered him, "Why are you asking me about what is good? There is only
one who is good. But if you want to enter into that life, keep the
commandments." (Matthew 19-17)

The man said to him, "Which ones?"

And Jesus said, "Don't murder, don't commit adultery, don't steal, don't
lie, honor your father and mother—love your neighbor as
yourself." (Matthew 19-18)

Notice that Jesus:
•Only listed Justices


•Cited the precept, "Love your neighbor as yourself."



When the man asked which commandments he must follow to inherit eternal life, Jesus said, "Only the Justices." All the Jobs, including the prohibition on homosexuality, were deliberately and purposely excluded.

Consider the following teaching of Paul.


He who loves others has fulfilled the Law because "don't commit adultery,"
"don't murder," "don't steal," "don't covet," and if there is any other
commandment it is summed up in these words: "Love your neighbor as
yourself."

Notice that Paul:

• Only listed Justices
•Cited the precept, "Love your neighbor as yourself."

Anyone who loves others fulfills the entire Law because only the Justices are the Law. None of the Jobs, including the prohibition on homosexuality, were part of the law. Consider the following teaching of James:


If you are fulfilling the King's law according to scripture, "Love your
neighbor as yourself," you are behaving well. But if you are showing
partiality based on personal appearances, you are committing sin, and are
indicted under the Law as lawbreakers.

For anyone who keeps the whole law, but is at fault on one count, has turned
guilty on all counts. He who said "Do not commit adultery" also said
"Do not murder." If you are not going to commit adultery, but are going
to murder, you have become a lawbreaker.

Speak and act like people who are about to be judged by the Law of Freedom;
for judgment without compassion will be for the one who has not shown
compassion. Compassion triumphs over judgment.

Notice that James:
•Only listed Justices, and


•Cited the precept, "Love your neighbor as yourself."



James taught that everyone will be judged by the Justices (what he called 'the Law of Freedom'). Therefore, he concluded that everyone who treats others compassionately will triumph on judgment day.

Here we have an undeniable pattern! Jesus, Paul, and James:
•Only listed Justices, and


•Cited the precept, "Love your neighbor as yourself."


Christianity overlooked this important pattern. Jesus, Paul, and James each taught about the Justices—the group of commandments that didn't include the prohibition on homosexuality. And each, in their own particular way, taught that the Justices were the entirety of Christian obligation!


Jesus told the rich young ruler that everyone who keeps the Justices will
inherit eternal life.

Paul taught that everyone who keeps the Justices fulfills the entire
Law.

James taught that everyone who keeps the Justices will triumph on judgment
day.

Lack of the knowledge about Jobs and Justices has caused confusion for 1,900 years!



Summary:
Jesus taught five times that only the Justices matter. Paul taught three times that only the Justices matter. Historical reality was very different than religious scholars had previously thought. (2) (3)

^All the above it literally nonsense.

Try to refute it.

Sure. Here your go...
http://www.student-preacher.com...

That is not a refutation that is the Bible

^Lol, were else are you going to get a refuation at?
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8/2/2012 5:21:19 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/2/2012 3:22:19 PM, CrazyPerson wrote:
At 8/2/2012 3:19:06 PM, GenesisCreation wrote:
At 8/2/2012 3:18:15 PM, CrazyPerson wrote:
At 8/2/2012 3:13:08 PM, GenesisCreation wrote:
The link to the Bible was an encouragement to actually read it but I'll entertain this discussion.

We know that ANY relationship outside of marriage is adultery. I'm going to state this axiomatically. I'll need scripture from anyone who disagrees.

If ANY relationship outside of marriage is adultery, then homosexuality is a sin because it does NOT meet the criteria of marriage. Marriage is a topic Jesus DID directly speak on:
Matthew 19 (ESV) "Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female, 5 and said, ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh'? 6 So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate."

This does not leave any room for ANY OTHER VERSION OF MARRIAGE!

(point 1 established) - Homosexuality is adultery
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The book of Romans clearly outlines that certain men will abandon natural relationships and engage in passions with each other. It calls the act an error which receives penalty:

Romans 1:26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

(Point 2 established) - Homosexuality is an unnatural error, a broken version of the intended design.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Homosexuality is called "unrighteousness". In the original text, it does not ONLY call them homosexuals, but goes so far as to establish gender roles, (i.e. masculine and effeminate homosexuals.)

1 Corinthians 6:9 - Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

(point 3 established) - Homosexuality is counted as unrighteous behavior that blocks salvation. Salvation requires faith, the evidence of which is repentance. If a man has not repented of homosexuality, he is not saved. Very clear scripture.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Let's start there.

That book is outdated...

You're free to think that, but it's relevant for this thread. Read the topic.

Not really. You're saying for one, that homosexuality is adultery and your proof is from the Bible. That's not proof. Besides that, the Title of the topic is "Jesus was not against homosexuality" - I fail to see where you've hit the mark as well.

He hit is right on.....Where are you going to find Jesus's teaching other than the Bible?
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8/2/2012 5:22:08 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/2/2012 3:25:39 PM, CrazyPerson wrote:
Why act like marriage was invented by the bible?

It wasn't, It was created by God, by which inspired the Bible.
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8/2/2012 8:21:45 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Everyone wants to debate religion and talk about what "Jesus would do". It's weird that they expect to accomplish this without scripture.
Um....You've got a log in your eye.
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8/2/2012 8:25:34 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/2/2012 5:21:19 PM, ScottyDouglas wrote:
At 8/2/2012 3:22:19 PM, CrazyPerson wrote:
At 8/2/2012 3:19:06 PM, GenesisCreation wrote:
At 8/2/2012 3:18:15 PM, CrazyPerson wrote:
At 8/2/2012 3:13:08 PM, GenesisCreation wrote:
The link to the Bible was an encouragement to actually read it but I'll entertain this discussion.

We know that ANY relationship outside of marriage is adultery. I'm going to state this axiomatically. I'll need scripture from anyone who disagrees.

If ANY relationship outside of marriage is adultery, then homosexuality is a sin because it does NOT meet the criteria of marriage. Marriage is a topic Jesus DID directly speak on:
Matthew 19 (ESV) "Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female, 5 and said, ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh'? 6 So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate."

This does not leave any room for ANY OTHER VERSION OF MARRIAGE!

(point 1 established) - Homosexuality is adultery
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The book of Romans clearly outlines that certain men will abandon natural relationships and engage in passions with each other. It calls the act an error which receives penalty:

Romans 1:26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

(Point 2 established) - Homosexuality is an unnatural error, a broken version of the intended design.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Homosexuality is called "unrighteousness". In the original text, it does not ONLY call them homosexuals, but goes so far as to establish gender roles, (i.e. masculine and effeminate homosexuals.)

1 Corinthians 6:9 - Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

(point 3 established) - Homosexuality is counted as unrighteous behavior that blocks salvation. Salvation requires faith, the evidence of which is repentance. If a man has not repented of homosexuality, he is not saved. Very clear scripture.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Let's start there.

That book is outdated...

You're free to think that, but it's relevant for this thread. Read the topic.

Not really. You're saying for one, that homosexuality is adultery and your proof is from the Bible. That's not proof. Besides that, the Title of the topic is "Jesus was not against homosexuality" - I fail to see where you've hit the mark as well.

He hit is right on.....Where are you going to find Jesus's teaching other than the Bible?

Yeah you're right. I don't know why i was thinking that Jesus is a non-fictional character.
But we try to pretend, you see, that the external world exists altogether independently of us.
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The moralist is the person who tells people that they ought to be unselfish, when they still feel like egos, and his efforts are always and invariably futile.
- - - Watts
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8/2/2012 8:32:49 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/2/2012 8:21:45 PM, GenesisCreation wrote:
Everyone wants to debate religion and talk about what "Jesus would do". It's weird that they expect to accomplish this without scripture.

Good point. What does that mean for people who will never even be made aware of scripture in their life? Can they attain salvation through Jesus Christ?
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8/2/2012 8:41:11 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/2/2012 8:32:49 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 8/2/2012 8:21:45 PM, GenesisCreation wrote:
Everyone wants to debate religion and talk about what "Jesus would do". It's weird that they expect to accomplish this without scripture.

Good point. What does that mean for people who will never even be made aware of scripture in their life? Can they attain salvation through Jesus Christ?

Only those Chosen by God, can have salvation by Christ, and he reaches them thru his means -- the bible.

who doesn't have access to a bible, or someone who has one?..

Pretty sure every place in the world, with people, has the bible accessible.
: At 10/23/2012 8:06:03 PM, tvellalott wrote:
: Don't be. The Catholic Church is ran by Darth Sidius for fvck sake. As far as I'm concerned, you're a bona fide member of the Sith.
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8/2/2012 8:53:54 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/2/2012 8:32:49 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 8/2/2012 8:21:45 PM, GenesisCreation wrote:
Everyone wants to debate religion and talk about what "Jesus would do". It's weird that they expect to accomplish this without scripture.

Good point. What does that mean for people who will never even be made aware of scripture in their life? Can they attain salvation through Jesus Christ?

No...
Um....You've got a log in your eye.
"I would be suspicious of an argument without any concessions." - John Dickson
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8/2/2012 8:56:07 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/2/2012 8:53:54 PM, GenesisCreation wrote:
At 8/2/2012 8:32:49 PM, drafterman wrote:
At 8/2/2012 8:21:45 PM, GenesisCreation wrote:
Everyone wants to debate religion and talk about what "Jesus would do". It's weird that they expect to accomplish this without scripture.

Good point. What does that mean for people who will never even be made aware of scripture in their life? Can they attain salvation through Jesus Christ?

No...

Sucks to be them I guess.
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8/2/2012 8:59:57 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/2/2012 8:25:34 PM, CrazyPerson wrote:
At 8/2/2012 5:21:19 PM, ScottyDouglas wrote:
At 8/2/2012 3:22:19 PM, CrazyPerson wrote:
At 8/2/2012 3:19:06 PM, GenesisCreation wrote:
At 8/2/2012 3:18:15 PM, CrazyPerson wrote:
At 8/2/2012 3:13:08 PM, GenesisCreation wrote:
The link to the Bible was an encouragement to actually read it but I'll entertain this discussion.

We know that ANY relationship outside of marriage is adultery. I'm going to state this axiomatically. I'll need scripture from anyone who disagrees.

If ANY relationship outside of marriage is adultery, then homosexuality is a sin because it does NOT meet the criteria of marriage. Marriage is a topic Jesus DID directly speak on:
Matthew 19 (ESV) "Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female, 5 and said, ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh'? 6 So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate."

This does not leave any room for ANY OTHER VERSION OF MARRIAGE!

(point 1 established) - Homosexuality is adultery
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The book of Romans clearly outlines that certain men will abandon natural relationships and engage in passions with each other. It calls the act an error which receives penalty:

Romans 1:26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

(Point 2 established) - Homosexuality is an unnatural error, a broken version of the intended design.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Homosexuality is called "unrighteousness". In the original text, it does not ONLY call them homosexuals, but goes so far as to establish gender roles, (i.e. masculine and effeminate homosexuals.)

1 Corinthians 6:9 - Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

(point 3 established) - Homosexuality is counted as unrighteous behavior that blocks salvation. Salvation requires faith, the evidence of which is repentance. If a man has not repented of homosexuality, he is not saved. Very clear scripture.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Let's start there.

That book is outdated...

You're free to think that, but it's relevant for this thread. Read the topic.

Not really. You're saying for one, that homosexuality is adultery and your proof is from the Bible. That's not proof. Besides that, the Title of the topic is "Jesus was not against homosexuality" - I fail to see where you've hit the mark as well.

He hit is right on.....Where are you going to find Jesus's teaching other than the Bible?

Yeah you're right. I don't know why i was thinking that Jesus is a non-fictional character.

I think you worded that wrong, but...you clearly are not a student of world history.

The existance of Jesus has been so widely accepted that historians are more focused on trying to discover his tomb (so that they might find his body and disprove the resurrection), than they are on trying to disprove his existance.

Are we supposed to take you seriously?
Um....You've got a log in your eye.
"I would be suspicious of an argument without any concessions." - John Dickson
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8/2/2012 9:32:10 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/2/2012 8:59:57 PM, GenesisCreation wrote:
At 8/2/2012 8:25:34 PM, CrazyPerson wrote:
At 8/2/2012 5:21:19 PM, ScottyDouglas wrote:
At 8/2/2012 3:22:19 PM, CrazyPerson wrote:
At 8/2/2012 3:19:06 PM, GenesisCreation wrote:
At 8/2/2012 3:18:15 PM, CrazyPerson wrote:
At 8/2/2012 3:13:08 PM, GenesisCreation wrote:
The link to the Bible was an encouragement to actually read it but I'll entertain this discussion.

We know that ANY relationship outside of marriage is adultery. I'm going to state this axiomatically. I'll need scripture from anyone who disagrees.

If ANY relationship outside of marriage is adultery, then homosexuality is a sin because it does NOT meet the criteria of marriage. Marriage is a topic Jesus DID directly speak on:
Matthew 19 (ESV) "Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female, 5 and said, ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh'? 6 So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate."

This does not leave any room for ANY OTHER VERSION OF MARRIAGE!

(point 1 established) - Homosexuality is adultery
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The book of Romans clearly outlines that certain men will abandon natural relationships and engage in passions with each other. It calls the act an error which receives penalty:

Romans 1:26 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

(Point 2 established) - Homosexuality is an unnatural error, a broken version of the intended design.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Homosexuality is called "unrighteousness". In the original text, it does not ONLY call them homosexuals, but goes so far as to establish gender roles, (i.e. masculine and effeminate homosexuals.)

1 Corinthians 6:9 - Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

(point 3 established) - Homosexuality is counted as unrighteous behavior that blocks salvation. Salvation requires faith, the evidence of which is repentance. If a man has not repented of homosexuality, he is not saved. Very clear scripture.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Let's start there.

That book is outdated...

You're free to think that, but it's relevant for this thread. Read the topic.

Not really. You're saying for one, that homosexuality is adultery and your proof is from the Bible. That's not proof. Besides that, the Title of the topic is "Jesus was not against homosexuality" - I fail to see where you've hit the mark as well.

He hit is right on.....Where are you going to find Jesus's teaching other than the Bible?

Yeah you're right. I don't know why i was thinking that Jesus is a non-fictional character.

I think you worded that wrong, but...you clearly are not a student of world history.

The existance of Jesus has been so widely accepted that historians are more focused on trying to discover his tomb (so that they might find his body and disprove the resurrection), than they are on trying to disprove his existance.

Are we supposed to take you seriously?

It was sarcasm, so no, not in that case.
But we try to pretend, you see, that the external world exists altogether independently of us.
- - - Watts
The moralist is the person who tells people that they ought to be unselfish, when they still feel like egos, and his efforts are always and invariably futile.
- - - Watts