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GeoLaureate8
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8/14/2012 5:37:45 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Theism this, Atheism that, faith this, science that, eff all that, every religion is false, every god, spiritual teacher, and deity is real. It all exists in Infinity, everything does how could it not.

Perception, thoughts co-create, shape reality, but reality and the Universe governs us and everything.

Everything else is trivial, no more than a spark for thought, more importantly is to break away from dogmatic thinking of both scientism and religionism.

Om mane padme hum Jesus Christ hare Krishna la il Allah Enlil Enki

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8/14/2012 5:41:48 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/14/2012 5:37:45 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Theism this, Atheism that, faith this, science that, eff all that, every religion is false, every god, spiritual teacher, and deity is real. It all exists in Infinity, everything does how could it not.

Perception, thoughts co-create, shape reality, but reality and the Universe governs us and everything.

Everything else is trivial, no more than a spark for thought, more importantly is to break away from dogmatic thinking of both scientism and religionism.

Om mane padme hum Jesus Christ hare Krishna la il Allah Enlil Enki


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"The bud disappears when the blossom breaks through, and we might say that the former is refuted by the latter; in the same way when the fruit comes, the blossom may be explained to be a false form of the plant's existence, for the fruit appears as its true nature in place of the blossom. These stages are not merely differentiated; they supplant one another as being incompatible with one another." G. W. F. HEGEL
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8/14/2012 5:50:52 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/14/2012 5:37:45 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
Theism this, Atheism that, faith this, science that, eff all that, every religion is false, every god, spiritual teacher, and deity is real. It all exists in Infinity, everything does how could it not.

Perception, thoughts co-create, shape reality, but reality and the Universe governs us and everything.

Everything else is trivial, no more than a spark for thought, more importantly is to break away from dogmatic thinking of both scientism and religionism.

Om mane padme hum Jesus Christ hare Krishna la il Allah Enlil Enki


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8/14/2012 6:37:17 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Science is not the opposite of religion, rationalism is. Rationalism subsumes naturalism, which in turn subsumes science and atheism. Atheism and science are only tied together in a very specific juncture: rejecting supernatural beings. Science looks for natural explanations and natural causes; atheism believes there are no gods (or lacks the belief in gods, if you're a fig).
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8/14/2012 7:19:16 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/14/2012 6:37:17 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:

Science is not the opposite of religion, rationalism is.

Rationalism can't be relied on. You must use rationalism in order to prove rationalism, without having proven it reliable. It's every bit as circular as using the Bible to prove God.
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8/15/2012 9:39:47 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/14/2012 6:37:17 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Science is not the opposite of religion, rationalism is. Rationalism subsumes naturalism, which in turn subsumes science and atheism. Atheism and science are only tied together in a very specific juncture: rejecting supernatural beings. Science looks for natural explanations and natural causes; atheism believes there are no gods (or lacks the belief in gods, if you're a fig).

Science does not reject supernatural beings, science is knowledge of how the world works.
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8/15/2012 10:03:46 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/14/2012 7:19:16 PM, medic0506 wrote:
At 8/14/2012 6:37:17 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:

Science is not the opposite of religion, rationalism is.

Rationalism can't be relied on. You must use rationalism in order to prove rationalism, without having proven it reliable. It's every bit as circular as using the Bible to prove God.

You are kidding me, right? If you question rationality being reliable, then you are out of the conversation.
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8/15/2012 11:47:33 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/15/2012 10:03:46 AM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
You are kidding me, right? If you question rationality being reliable, then you are out of the conversation.

Rationality is limited. Yes, it is good for determining some truths, but it is a system which deals only with parts and thus can't allow for seeing the whole picture.

"Transcendental Intelligence rises when the intellectual-mind reaches its limit and, if things are to be realized in their true and essence nature, its processes of mentation, which are based on particularized ideas, discriminations and judgements, must be transcended by an appeal to some higher faculty of cognition."

-- The Buddha (Lanakavatara Sutra)

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"We must raise the standard of the Old, free, decentralized, and strictly limited Republic."
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8/15/2012 11:49:03 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/15/2012 10:03:46 AM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 8/14/2012 7:19:16 PM, medic0506 wrote:
At 8/14/2012 6:37:17 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:

Science is not the opposite of religion, rationalism is.

Rationalism can't be relied on. You must use rationalism in order to prove rationalism, without having proven it reliable. It's every bit as circular as using the Bible to prove God.

Rationalism uses observable evidence to make conclusions about the natural world. It's not like one goes, "because o rationalism, God/gods don't exist". No one goes, "Well, there's no evidence for god/gods, and there is a logical explanation that makes perfect sense in one hand vs. another in the other that makes little to no sense, and so we must conclude that, logically god/gods do not exist". That action is called rationalism, but we do not wave rationalism around like fundies wave around the Bible, mindlessly saying it holds the answer to everything.
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8/15/2012 11:49:53 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/15/2012 11:49:03 AM, TheBossToss wrote:
At 8/15/2012 10:03:46 AM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 8/14/2012 7:19:16 PM, medic0506 wrote:
At 8/14/2012 6:37:17 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:

Science is not the opposite of religion, rationalism is.

Rationalism can't be relied on. You must use rationalism in order to prove rationalism, without having proven it reliable. It's every bit as circular as using the Bible to prove God.

Rationalism uses observable evidence to make conclusions about the natural world. It's not like one goes, "because o rationalism, God/gods don't exist". No one goes, "Well, there's no evidence for god/gods, and there is a logical explanation that makes perfect sense in one hand vs. another in the other that makes little to no sense, and so we must conclude that, logically god/gods do not exist". That action is called rationalism, but we do not wave rationalism around like fundies wave around the Bible, mindlessly saying it holds the answer to everything.

That should be "No, one goes....." Derp, I should probably learn grammar before posting.
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That was real intellectual property theft. They used her idea for their own profit and fame. When I pirate, I am usually downloading textbooks that I cannot afford to purchase on my own and that I do not want my parents to spend money on.
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GeoLaureate8
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8/15/2012 1:06:04 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/14/2012 5:50:52 PM, 000ike wrote:

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What is your question.

I see that no one has any refutations.
"We must raise the standard of the Old, free, decentralized, and strictly limited Republic."
-- Murray Rothbard

"The worst thing that can happen to a good cause is, not to be skillfully attacked, but to be ineptly defended."
-- Frederic Bastiat