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Another attack on moral responsibility

000ike
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8/20/2012 9:28:55 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Almost everyone agrees that genetic and environmental factors influence human behavior. However, almost no one is ready to accept that those factors determine human behavior. I say you can't claim influence without determination.

If one factor influences an event without causing the event, then why did the event occur? This means that the event could have not occurred....but it did occur anyway....why? So influence without cause produces an explanatory gap which does not sufficiently account for the event's occurrence. Within this explanatory gap is 1 of 2 options...a culmination of different influences in conjunction with each other FORCED the event to occur, or the event occurred randomly...both cases out of the control of the agent.
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8/20/2012 4:00:56 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
If determinism is true, the main function of retaliation to law breakers and murderers should be rehabilitation. Punishment couldn't even factor into it.

Basically the underlining factor as to why I don't support the death penalty.

Not sure why this is in religion instead of philosophy though.
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The_Fool_on_the_hill
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8/20/2012 4:04:26 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/20/2012 4:00:56 PM, phantom wrote:
If determinism is true, the main function of retaliation to law breakers and murderers should be rehabilitation. Punishment couldn't even factor into it.

Basically the underlining factor as to why I don't support the death penalty.

Not sure why this is in religion instead of philosophy though.

The Fool: There are no morals in religion without CHerry picking.
"The bud disappears when the blossom breaks through, and we might say that the former is refuted by the latter; in the same way when the fruit comes, the blossom may be explained to be a false form of the plant's existence, for the fruit appears as its true nature in place of the blossom. These stages are not merely differentiated; they supplant one another as being incompatible with one another." G. W. F. HEGEL
000ike
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8/21/2012 8:19:52 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/20/2012 4:00:56 PM, phantom wrote:
If determinism is true, the main function of retaliation to law breakers and murderers should be rehabilitation. Punishment couldn't even factor into it.

Basically the underlining factor as to why I don't support the death penalty.

Not sure why this is in religion instead of philosophy though.

Because there's a recent rise in the amount of arguments using moral responsibility in support of God.
"A stupid despot may constrain his slaves with iron chains; but a true politician binds them even more strongly with the chain of their own ideas" - Michel Foucault