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8/21/2012 7:43:52 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
In another thread, on a far away board, much like this one, angry Evangelical Colorblinds finally proved that Green does not exist. Here is a report by someone that was actually there...

For centuries it has been said that Green was both blue and yellow, and yet, it was neither blue nor yellow.

The Evangelical Colorblinds (ECs) pointed out the obvious contradictions in this paradoxical statement, it was proven that something can not be both and yet neither at the same time, and Green was shown to be illogical and irrational.

Those who believed in Green pointed out that people everywhere, in all times, always, have reported having experienced the color Green.

The ECs explained that those people lived in a pre-scientific age, which is equal to unscientific of course, and therefore Mankind must in fact have always been wrong and that Mankind has just always been delusional, simply wishing that there was a color Green.

It was shown that what is referred to as Green by pre/unscientific man is merely a particular wavelength of light within the visible spectrum of the electromagnetic field, and that in fact, the color Green had therefore been explained away by science. It was determined that Green has no objective existence.

It was pointed out by the people that believed in Green that they do in fact experience the color Green themselves.

These people were told that the burden of proof was on them, that no one can prove the existence of Green, and it had already been proven that Green had no objective reality anyway. The EC's then explained that these people were also delusional, anti-scientific, illogical and irrational; they mocked them, called them names, and proclaimed them stupid.

The believers said that Green was the color of photosynthesis, that photosynthesis transforms light into life, and that the air we breathe is nourishing because of this process. It was said that no color chart is complete without Green.

The ECs proclaimed that Green was the color of envy and the color of money and so it was a function of greed. The ECs went on to show that most of the wars of mankind were fought by people wearing Green uniforms, so that Green has obviously been the cause of mayhem and murder for centuries, and it was shown that all of the terrorists of 911 had Green cards and so in our day, Green was nothing but the cause of terror and destruction also. It was stated that if men would simply accept science and renounce Green, the world would be a better place and we would have peace on earth.

I became frustrated by this thread and wanted a break from the discord and so I went to look at other threads to see what the believers had to say among themselves, I wanted to see people pronouncing the glory of Green in all its shades and hues.

But all I found were posts by the Forests mocking the Hunters and the Hunters mocking the Forests. People were telling the Azures and Turquoises that they had allowed the one true Green to become polluted by adopting the royal blues of the Romans and Greeks, and the sky blues of the Native Americans into their Green. People were telling the Emeralds and the Jades that they had allowed an eastern yellow to pervert and pollute the one true Green. The Pales were attacking the Darks, calling everyone neo-darks, and the Darks were attacking the Pales, saying they were Greenless. Ranging from patronizing to blatant anti-Olivism, it seemed everybody was picking on the Olives, some even said the Olives had killed Green. Teals were fighting with Chartreuses, there was a Seventh Day Avocadoists telling everyone that the world was coming to an end in capital letters, and some nutcase offering people a free toaster if they would accept Limeism and tithe. Everyone was proclaiming that their Green was the one true Green, and that all other Greens were false Greens.

I realized that nobody was really discussing Green; they all just seemed to be waiting for their turn to talk and then speaking about themselves, and I just didn't see the point of it all.

I realized that over half of the people in the world had developed their color charts on the basis of the color chart of the ancient Olives and so I think they must have been on to something. I also knew that the ancient Olives had believed that one should not even utter the word Green so as not to turn Green into an object and forget that the word Green was referential to a relationship. I was beginning to understand why the Olives tried not to use the word Green and so I decided that I would never again say the word Green as long as I lived, and having so resolved, I turned off my computer and went for a walk in the woods.

After a while I just didn't think about it anymore, I didn't try to put words to it, I just felt the grass under my feet and looked out at the plants and trees, the vastness of the blue sky filled me with a sense of awe and wonder, and the yellow sun warmed me. I breathed the fresh air and I was surrounded by an abundance of life, and I realized that it didn't matter what anyone had to say about the color Green, for I beheld that the quality of Green is within me.

I experienced something real and genuine that day. I don't exactly know how to express it with out saying the word, all I can say is that what I experienced that day was both blue and yellow, and yet, it was neither blue nor yellow.
"It is one of the commonest of mistakes to consider that the limit of our power of perception is also the limit of all there is to perceive." " C. W. Leadbeater
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8/21/2012 11:01:26 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Green is not real, people just believe its real because they were taught at a young age that green is a color. Believe science not what you know to be true!
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8/21/2012 11:04:46 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/21/2012 11:01:26 AM, yoda878 wrote:
Green is not real, people just believe its real because they were taught at a young age that green is a color. Believe science not what you know to be true!

If green didn't exist, your computer screen wouldn't work.
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8/21/2012 11:07:21 AM
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At 8/21/2012 11:01:26 AM, yoda878 wrote:
Green is not real, people just believe its real because they were taught at a young age that green is a color. Believe science not what you know to be true!

Lmfao, oh, I get it.

That was pretty clever. :P and slow on my part. XD
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8/21/2012 11:11:13 AM
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At 8/21/2012 11:04:46 AM, Ren wrote:
At 8/21/2012 11:01:26 AM, yoda878 wrote:
Green is not real, people just believe its real because they were taught at a young age that green is a color. Believe science not what you know to be true!

If green didn't exist, your computer screen wouldn't work.

My computer works fine and there is no green.
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8/21/2012 11:12:31 AM
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At 8/21/2012 11:09:10 AM, Ren wrote:
I really should have read the entire OP and grasped the profundity of this thread before commenting.

Well done.

lol you know that is the comeback of all atheist..
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8/21/2012 11:18:19 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/21/2012 11:16:00 AM, twocupcakes wrote:
I have "personal divine evidence" that green is not real. I have faith that green is not real.

now you have science too.

but i have faith that green is real, anyways.
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8/21/2012 11:21:16 AM
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Really long post, if you could summarize your main point that would be awesome. Anyway, I don't get the whole "green is not real" thing translates well to an example for God. Clearly green is real.
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8/21/2012 11:23:20 AM
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At 8/21/2012 11:21:16 AM, twocupcakes wrote:
Really long post, if you could summarize your main point that would be awesome. Anyway, I don't get the whole "green is not real" thing translates well to an example for God. Clearly green is real.

Great! That is how a christian feels, but much stronger. You should read the post then you could grasp it.
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8/21/2012 11:24:45 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/21/2012 11:12:31 AM, yoda878 wrote:
At 8/21/2012 11:09:10 AM, Ren wrote:
I really should have read the entire OP and grasped the profundity of this thread before commenting.

Well done.

lol you know that is the comeback of all atheist..

Pink isn't a real color... It's how your brain processes to ends of the spectrum to make that supposed color when in reality you are seeing two blended colors of the spectrum at the same time. Pink doesn't have an electromagnetic frequency or wavelength of it's own. However, green does:

Electromagnetic frequency, f, is equal to the speed of light, c, divided by :wavelength, l, or f = c/l.

In this case, f = (299,792,458 m/s)/(532 nm) = 564 THz, or 564 X 1012 Hz, or :564 X 1012 s-1, where m is meters, s is seconds, nm is nanometers = 10-9 m, Hz :is Hertz = s-1, and THz is terahertz = 1012 Hz.

That is the frequency of green, and the wavelength of green is:

The wavelength of the green light is 5.576 x 10-7 m or 557.6 nm.

However, you can't get either or for Pink because pink isn't actually a real color:

http://blog.seattlepi.com...

Abstract:

http://thefw.com...

And pink is simply minus green light.. And how fitting for this OP :)
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8/21/2012 11:27:05 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/21/2012 11:01:26 AM, yoda878 wrote:
Green is not real, people just believe its real because they were taught at a young age that green is a color. Believe science not what you know to be true!

You only believe in green because it gives you the warm fuzzies to do so; you're just afraid to face a world without green so you made it up to comfort yourself instead of objectively looking at the evidence and concluding that green doesn't exist. that you've experienced green is irrelevant; quit being delusional.
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8/21/2012 11:28:15 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/21/2012 11:21:16 AM, twocupcakes wrote:
Really long post, if you could summarize your main point that would be awesome. Anyway, I don't get the whole "green is not real" thing translates well to an example for God. Clearly green is real.

Clearly you haven't met reductive and eliminative materialists.
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8/21/2012 11:31:09 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
I'm an agreenist - i just lack belief in the existence of green. The onus is on greenists to prove that green exists and so far they have not done so. Therefore it's irrational to believe green exists.
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8/21/2012 11:33:06 AM
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I applaud the time and effort it took to write that and come up with some pretty good analogies, like green being "explained away" by science, even while the viewers "know" that green exists...
Genesis I. And God created man to his own image: to the image of God he created him: male and female he created them.
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8/21/2012 11:35:25 AM
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At 8/21/2012 11:23:20 AM, yoda878 wrote:
At 8/21/2012 11:21:16 AM, twocupcakes wrote:
Really long post, if you could summarize your main point that would be awesome. Anyway, I don't get the whole "green is not real" thing translates well to an example for God. Clearly green is real.

Great! That is how a christian feels, but much stronger. You should read the post then you could grasp it.

Okay, however it is pretty clear that the color green fails as an analogy. The colour green is proven to exist by science. Everyone except blind or colourblind people can see it. There is evidence that green exists as opposed to God.

Using green as an analogy, how about if you don't see green, you get tortured forever when you die. Too bad fr those immoral blind and colorblind people.

A more appropriate analogy would be the new "mystery colour". If you can see the "mystery colour" you are a moral person who gets heaven, if you can't you get hell and no one will vote for you if you run in a USA election. There is no scientific evidence for the mystery color, but someone said it exists in a 2000 year old book. Also, too see the mystery colour you have to hate gays. Some people believe in a different mystery colour, so they fight about it.
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8/21/2012 11:40:48 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/21/2012 11:35:25 AM, twocupcakes wrote:
At 8/21/2012 11:23:20 AM, yoda878 wrote:
At 8/21/2012 11:21:16 AM, twocupcakes wrote:
Really long post, if you could summarize your main point that would be awesome. Anyway, I don't get the whole "green is not real" thing translates well to an example for God. Clearly green is real.

Great! That is how a christian feels, but much stronger. You should read the post then you could grasp it.

Okay, however it is pretty clear that the color green fails as an analogy. The colour green is proven to exist by science. Everyone except blind or colourblind people can see it. There is evidence that green exists as opposed to God.

Green is the not real it is how your brain processes light of two colors, its just in your mind.

Using green as an analogy, how about if you don't see green, you get tortured forever when you die. Too bad fr those immoral blind and colorblind people.

lol green is not real it has no meaning.

A more appropriate analogy would be the new "mystery colour". If you can see the "mystery colour" you are a moral person who gets heaven, if you can't you get hell and no one will vote for you if you run in a USA election. There is no scientific evidence for the mystery color, but someone said it exists in a 2000 year old book. Also, too see the mystery colour you have to hate gays. Some people believe in a different mystery colour, so they fight about it.

now you are just crazy there are only three colors.
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8/21/2012 11:44:05 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/21/2012 11:35:25 AM, twocupcakes wrote:
At 8/21/2012 11:23:20 AM, yoda878 wrote:
At 8/21/2012 11:21:16 AM, twocupcakes wrote:
Really long post, if you could summarize your main point that would be awesome. Anyway, I don't get the whole "green is not real" thing translates well to an example for God. Clearly green is real.

Great! That is how a christian feels, but much stronger. You should read the post then you could grasp it.

Okay, however it is pretty clear that the color green fails as an analogy. The colour green is proven to exist by science. Everyone except blind or colourblind people can see it. There is evidence that green exists as opposed to God.

Using green as an analogy, how about if you don't see green, you get tortured forever when you die. Too bad fr those immoral blind and colorblind people.

A more appropriate analogy would be the new "mystery colour". If you can see the "mystery colour" you are a moral person who gets heaven, if you can't you get hell and no one will vote for you if you run in a USA election. There is no scientific evidence for the mystery color, but someone said it exists in a 2000 year old book. Also, too see the mystery colour you have to hate gays. Some people believe in a different mystery colour, so they fight about it.

Except science understands color blindness, and even color blind people can only see colors that are on the actual spectrum. Color blindness would be equal to color shift, and it varies in those color blind. Knowing why people see or processes light differently tells you all you need to know to understand it. The use of green was a poor argument, and even the use of Pink to which really doesn't exist would be a poor example since we know why the color pink doesn't exist. Vision and light will always deal with electromagnetic waves and frequencies. The reason why you can't see radio waves is because the frequency and wavelengths are beyond the threshold in which your eyes can detect.
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8/21/2012 11:46:54 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
And yes, someone could just claim a magical mystery color..But ask them for the frequency and wavelength of this color on the spectrum, and they will quickly resort to more desperate appeals to ignorance lol ..
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8/21/2012 11:48:57 AM
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At 8/21/2012 11:21:16 AM, twocupcakes wrote:
Really long post, if you could summarize your main point that would be awesome. Anyway, I don't get the whole "green is not real" thing translates well to an example for God. Clearly green is real.

Lol, yeah, I didn't read it all at first, either, but I assure you that it's worth the read.
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8/21/2012 11:49:18 AM
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I think everyone is missing the point of the OP, but wtvr...
Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. Teach him how to be Gay, he'll positively influence the GDP.

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8/21/2012 11:49:28 AM
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I think everyone is missing the point of the OP, but wtvr, to each his own.
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8/21/2012 11:53:07 AM
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At 8/21/2012 11:49:28 AM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
I think everyone is missing the point of the OP, but wtvr, to each his own.

I understand the op.. But the mystery concept is an absolute negative usually espoused by ignorance for lack of knowledge on the subject. People can say "I don't believe in green", and it would be irrelevant since green is only a frequency and wavelength in terms of color. Belief is irrelevant to reality when belief is entirely based on woeful ignorance of reality.
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8/21/2012 11:57:09 AM
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At 8/21/2012 11:53:07 AM, TheJackel wrote:
At 8/21/2012 11:49:28 AM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
I think everyone is missing the point of the OP, but wtvr, to each his own.

I understand the op.. But the mystery concept is an absolute negative usually espoused by ignorance for lack of knowledge on the subject. People can say "I don't believe in green", and it would be irrelevant since green is only a frequency and wavelength in terms of color. Belief is irrelevant to reality when belief is entirely based on woeful ignorance of reality.

Yeah... I still think you're misunderstanding the OP. But, similar to the OP, you can interpret and argue however you like.
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8/21/2012 12:01:58 PM
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At 8/21/2012 11:53:07 AM, TheJackel wrote:
At 8/21/2012 11:49:28 AM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
I think everyone is missing the point of the OP, but wtvr, to each his own.

I understand the op.. But the mystery concept is an absolute negative usually espoused by ignorance for lack of knowledge on the subject. People can say "I don't believe in green", and it would be irrelevant since green is only a frequency and wavelength in terms of color. Belief is irrelevant to reality when belief is entirely based on woeful ignorance of reality.

Green in terms of real life application refers to light's interaction with reality, not just the wavelength itself. In other words, unless you're talking about rainbows, color is much more relevant to the electron differentiation and reflection of a surface.that has very many implications, most of which are known exclusively by scientists and those who care to know. However, in terms of someone who is color blind, green is an incomprehensible abstraction.
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8/21/2012 12:33:26 PM
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At 8/21/2012 11:53:07 AM, TheJackel wrote:
Belief is irrelevant to reality when belief is entirely based on woeful ignorance of reality.
Belief itself is ALWAYS irrelevant to reality whether it's based on woeful ignorance of reality or not. Just because your beliefs are in inline with reality doesn't effect reality in the least bit either.
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8/21/2012 1:05:32 PM
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At 8/21/2012 11:49:18 AM, Stephen_Hawkins wrote:
I think everyone is missing the point of the OP, but wtvr...

I took it to mean that people once thought that green was supernatural, however scientists then understood that light wavelengths caused the green color. There is still a lot of debate about if green is supernatural or not and debate about the morality of the supernatural colour green. OP just decides to stop discussing and enjoy the colour green.