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8/26/2012 3:07:33 PM
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At 8/26/2012 3:01:47 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:


Your hatred and lack any respect speaks volumes, Wallstreet, It is clownish.
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8/26/2012 3:14:30 PM
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At 8/26/2012 3:07:33 PM, ScottyDouglas wrote:

Your hatred and lack any respect speaks volumes, Wallstreet, It is clownish.

One time Jesus gave me head. I didn't see that one cumming.
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8/26/2012 3:56:18 PM
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At 8/26/2012 3:14:30 PM, WhiteWolf wrote:
At 8/26/2012 3:07:33 PM, ScottyDouglas wrote:

Your hatred and lack any respect speaks volumes, Wallstreet, It is clownish.

One time Jesus gave me head. I didn't see that one cumming.

Buahahahahaha...NOT
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8/26/2012 4:00:24 PM
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At 8/26/2012 3:14:30 PM, WhiteWolf wrote

One time Jesus gave me head. I didn't see that one cumming.

Does anyone have a joke that's actually funny?
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8/26/2012 4:01:54 PM
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At 8/26/2012 3:07:33 PM, ScottyDouglas wrote:
At 8/26/2012 3:01:47 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:

Your hatred and lack any respect speaks volumes, Wallstreet, It is clownish.

My theory is he's still pissed off because prayed for a bike and didn't get it, or something like that.
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8/26/2012 4:04:22 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I thought it was quite a humorous video.

Just curious, Scotty, what is disrespectful about the video? I mean isn't it making a valid point that of all of the things God could have done to make the world a better place, he just chose to walk on water and turn water into wine?

Just think what a better place our world would be if Jesus had taught people about science and medicine and equality.

Why would an omnibenevolent God choose to let people suffer? Beyond that, why would this omnibenevolent God wait for 98,000 and watch humans suffer terribly, and then two thousand years ago send a savior to the least educated part of the Middle East?

It just doesn't make sense.
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8/26/2012 4:05:01 PM
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At 8/26/2012 3:07:33 PM, ScottyDouglas wrote:
At 8/26/2012 3:01:47 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:


Your hatred and lack any respect speaks volumes, Wallstreet, It is clownish.

So does your stupidity. You've done more damage to Christianity by yourself than all the atheists on this site combined.
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8/26/2012 4:10:52 PM
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At 8/26/2012 3:07:33 PM, ScottyDouglas wrote:
At 8/26/2012 3:01:47 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:


Your hatred and lack any respect speaks volumes, Wallstreet, It is clownish.

So... what do you think of the actual video? Are you just dismissing everything it brings up?
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8/26/2012 4:11:32 PM
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At 8/26/2012 4:04:22 PM, Magicr wrote:
I thought it was quite a humorous video.

Just curious, Scotty, what is disrespectful about the video?
Lack of knowledge and the blaring of that.
I mean isn't it making a valid point that of all of the things God could have done to make the world a better place, he just chose to walk on water and turn water into wine?

Why cant men make the world a better through God? If they allowed that?
Just think what a better place our world would be if Jesus had taught people about science and medicine and equality.

I like to think of the world being better if men accepted thier God.
Why would an omnibenevolent God choose to let people suffer?
HMM..Men do that, ever think of that?
Beyond that, why would this omnibenevolent God wait for 98,000 and watch humans suffer terribly, and then two thousand years ago send a savior to the least educated part of the Middle East?

Who says educating is important. You can all the education you want and still be dumb as a rock.
It just doesn't make sense.
Makes perfect sense, see last question and answer.
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8/26/2012 4:12:21 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/26/2012 4:05:01 PM, 000ike wrote:
At 8/26/2012 3:07:33 PM, ScottyDouglas wrote:
At 8/26/2012 3:01:47 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:


Your hatred and lack any respect speaks volumes, Wallstreet, It is clownish.

So does your stupidity. You've done more damage to Christianity by yourself than all the atheists on this site combined.

Ike your just a joke and you continue to prove that.
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8/26/2012 4:15:21 PM
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At 8/26/2012 4:10:52 PM, Frederick53 wrote:
At 8/26/2012 3:07:33 PM, ScottyDouglas wrote:
At 8/26/2012 3:01:47 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:


Your hatred and lack any respect speaks volumes, Wallstreet, It is clownish.

So... what do you think of the actual video? Are you just dismissing everything it brings up?

The puts mans wants and desires ahead of thou that created them. Never will happen. It makes man look like the victims when thier the problem.
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8/26/2012 4:20:01 PM
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At 8/26/2012 4:15:21 PM, ScottyDouglas wrote:
At 8/26/2012 4:10:52 PM, Frederick53 wrote:
At 8/26/2012 3:07:33 PM, ScottyDouglas wrote:
At 8/26/2012 3:01:47 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:


Your hatred and lack any respect speaks volumes, Wallstreet, It is clownish.

So... what do you think of the actual video? Are you just dismissing everything it brings up?

The puts mans wants and desires ahead of thou that created them. Never will happen. It makes man look like the victims when thier the problem.

So you are saying that if God exists, he is not responsible for anything bad that happens to humanity even if he could easily prevent it?
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8/26/2012 4:27:43 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/26/2012 4:20:01 PM, Frederick53 wrote:
At 8/26/2012 4:15:21 PM, ScottyDouglas wrote:
At 8/26/2012 4:10:52 PM, Frederick53 wrote:
At 8/26/2012 3:07:33 PM, ScottyDouglas wrote:
At 8/26/2012 3:01:47 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:


Your hatred and lack any respect speaks volumes, Wallstreet, It is clownish.

So... what do you think of the actual video? Are you just dismissing everything it brings up?

The puts mans wants and desires ahead of thou that created them. Never will happen. It makes man look like the victims when thier the problem.

So you are saying that if God exists, he is not responsible for anything bad that happens to humanity even if he could easily prevent it?

If he created you perfect, why should He prevent you from what you choose to be? If you want to blame someone, blame yourself, blame satan and blame Adam and Eve.
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8/26/2012 4:31:04 PM
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At 8/26/2012 4:12:21 PM, ScottyDouglas wrote:
Ike your just a joke and you continue to prove that.

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8/26/2012 4:35:53 PM
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At 8/26/2012 4:31:04 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 8/26/2012 4:12:21 PM, ScottyDouglas wrote:
Ike your just a joke and you continue to prove that.

you're*

I blatantly refuse too. I refuse too. :|
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8/26/2012 5:30:06 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/26/2012 3:07:33 PM, ScottyDouglas wrote:
At 8/26/2012 3:01:47 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:


Your hatred and lack any respect speaks volumes, Wallstreet, It is clownish.

I didn't say anything hateful or disrespectful; I posted a video with valid questions. You can't just place arbitrary labels on someone or something you don't like and pretend it is a valid criticism. The baseless nature of your claims has already been addressed, so I'll just ask you to show more decorum and clear thinking next time. Cheers!
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8/26/2012 5:46:28 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/26/2012 4:11:32 PM, ScottyDouglas wrote:
At 8/26/2012 4:04:22 PM, Magicr wrote:
I thought it was quite a humorous video.

Just curious, Scotty, what is disrespectful about the video?
Lack of knowledge and the blaring of that.

What knowledge is lacking?

I mean isn't it making a valid point that of all of the things God could have done to make the world a better place, he just chose to walk on water and turn water into wine?

Why cant men make the world a better through God? If they allowed that?

You didn't answer my question. Of course men can make the world a better place. But why would God choose not to help people?

Just think what a better place our world would be if Jesus had taught people about science and medicine and equality.

I like to think of the world being better if men accepted thier God.

Let's say this was true. Actually, this was touched on in the "disrespectful" video. If the world was better if men accepted God, then why would God not reveal important scientific information very clearly so that there could be no doubt who was the true God?

Why would an omnibenevolent God choose to let people suffer?

HMM..Men do that, ever think of that?

Yes, men do cause suffering, but so does sickness. Jesus could have imparted important medical information so that people would not suffer from sickness as much.

Beyond that, why would this omnibenevolent God wait for 98,000 and watch humans suffer terribly, and then two thousand years ago send a savior to the least educated part of the Middle East?

Who says educating is important. You can all the education you want and still be dumb as a rock.

Okay, but that doesn't answer the part of my question about God sitting up in heaven and watching people suffer for 98,000 years.
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8/26/2012 5:48:54 PM
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When I saw the title of this thread I was planning on coming in here and blurting "JESUS WOULDNT BET ON THE JETS!" But i realized it was just another flame war so allow me to leave right now
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8/26/2012 5:59:09 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/26/2012 4:35:53 PM, ScottyDouglas wrote:
At 8/26/2012 4:31:04 PM, FREEDO wrote:
At 8/26/2012 4:12:21 PM, ScottyDouglas wrote:
Ike your just a joke and you continue to prove that.

you're*

I blatantly refuse too. I refuse too. :|

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8/26/2012 6:12:49 PM
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Anybody else feel pity for Scotty's child?
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8/26/2012 6:37:32 PM
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Guys I wouldnt talk about his kid, if you do he reports the sh*t out of you (trust me I would know)
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8/26/2012 6:39:40 PM
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Great video WSA. Funny and makes a many good points. If God wanted to be known, he could have put in specific scientific information. If God wanted to help people, he could have gave medical knowledge. Seems weird that God decided to use miracles like walking on water in front of a small group of friends and changing water into wine for a party?
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8/27/2012 12:11:19 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/26/2012 6:37:32 PM, imabench wrote:
Guys I wouldnt talk about his kid, if you do he reports the sh*t out of you (trust me I would know)

At this point, who hasn't reported you?
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8/27/2012 12:13:56 AM
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At 8/26/2012 6:39:40 PM, twocupcakes wrote:
Great video WSA. Funny and makes a many good points. If God wanted to be known, he could have put in specific scientific information. If God wanted to help people, he could have gave medical knowledge. Seems weird that God decided to use miracles like walking on water in front of a small group of friends and changing water into wine for a party?

There are many instances where the God character could have altered his actions that would be more in line with a moral, intelligent being instead of an arbitrary, cretinous type of guy. The Bible should have hired a better editorial staff; the mistakes they let through are astonishing.
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8/27/2012 12:35:26 AM
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This video utterly refutes the notion that there exists an omnipotent, omniscient, benevolent God who created and cares for mankind. Not only does it make some great points, it's also pretty enjoyable though.

Theists often defend the existence of evil and suffering on either a free will or "God knows the big picture" premise. But I fail to see how this can account for all the great, massive suffering that exists in the world that could be nobody's fault but God's - massive starvation, natural disasters, massive disease... Simply, God could have created less fatal sufferings if suffering is really necessary to an extent.

And of course there's the question of what God thinks is worthy of putting in the Bible/sharing with mankind, that is just so brilliantly demonstrated in this video. God has the worst value system in, like, ever. And all the miracles are so petty, so clearly designed to show off and impress primitive human beings and appeal to our inborn credulity and stupidity.

Despite the fact that I'm a libertarian (veering towards anarchism), I understand how people could support libertarian socialism or pure communism. When it comes to religion, however, I fail to understand how a reasonably intelligent person could watch this video and still believe that any omni-anything God as described in most monotheisms exists and cares about humanity. One can only believe this if they have direct emotional reasons, a motivational desire to continue believing in God. The utter indifference of the universe and even planet Earth to human well-being is too obvious for a reasonable person to remain a theist, yet there are so many intelligent theists, I just don't understand it.
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8/27/2012 1:02:47 AM
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At 8/27/2012 12:35:26 AM, jat93 wrote:
When it comes to religion, however, I fail to understand how a reasonably intelligent person could watch this video and still believe that any omni-anything God as described in most monotheisms exists and cares about humanity. One can only believe this if they have direct emotional reasons, a motivational desire to continue believing in God. The utter indifference of the universe and even planet Earth to human well-being is too obvious for a reasonable person to remain a theist, yet there are so many intelligent theists, I just don't understand it.

That's why it's pretty pointless to debate the typical philosophy of religion arguments: they don't provide reasons why people become religious in the first place. Peter Vardy, a Christian philosopher and author of several leading textbooks in the philosophy of religion called them "a waste of time." Any attempts at apologetics involve trying to reconcile belief and reason, not demonstrating belief to be justified through reason. The arguments and evidence really don't matter to religious people; it is the personal conviction that really counts. Alvin Plantinga, the leading Christian philosopher of religion calls this faith, understood as "a special source of knowledge, knowledge that can't be arrived at by way of reason alone." For some, their conviction in God's existence is of comparable strength to their own existence.

The problems with this are that 1) it can shut the believer off from healthy doubt in certain circumstances, and 2) reliance on faith is a risky strategy.
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8/27/2012 1:35:09 AM
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At 8/27/2012 12:35:26 AM, jat93 wrote:
This video utterly refutes the notion that there exists an omnipotent, omniscient, benevolent God who created and cares for mankind. Not only does it make some great points, it's also pretty enjoyable though.

Theists often defend the existence of evil and suffering on either a free will or "God knows the big picture" premise. But I fail to see how this can account for all the great, massive suffering that exists in the world that could be nobody's fault but God's - massive starvation, natural disasters, massive disease... Simply, God could have created less fatal sufferings if suffering is really necessary to an extent.

And of course there's the question of what God thinks is worthy of putting in the Bible/sharing with mankind, that is just so brilliantly demonstrated in this video. God has the worst value system in, like, ever. And all the miracles are so petty, so clearly designed to show off and impress primitive human beings and appeal to our inborn credulity and stupidity.

Despite the fact that I'm a libertarian (veering towards anarchism), I understand how people could support libertarian socialism or pure communism. When it comes to religion, however, I fail to understand how a reasonably intelligent person could watch this video and still believe that any omni-anything God as described in most monotheisms exists and cares about humanity. One can only believe this if they have direct emotional reasons, a motivational desire to continue believing in God. The utter indifference of the universe and even planet Earth to human well-being is too obvious for a reasonable person to remain a theist, yet there are so many intelligent theists, I just don't understand it.

Are you serious? This video only touches certain construals of Christanity much less theism.
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8/27/2012 2:06:08 AM
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At 8/27/2012 1:35:09 AM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 8/27/2012 12:35:26 AM, jat93 wrote:
This video utterly refutes the notion that there exists an omnipotent, omniscient, benevolent God who created and cares for mankind. Not only does it make some great points, it's also pretty enjoyable though.

Theists often defend the existence of evil and suffering on either a free will or "God knows the big picture" premise. But I fail to see how this can account for all the great, massive suffering that exists in the world that could be nobody's fault but God's - massive starvation, natural disasters, massive disease... Simply, God could have created less fatal sufferings if suffering is really necessary to an extent.

And of course there's the question of what God thinks is worthy of putting in the Bible/sharing with mankind, that is just so brilliantly demonstrated in this video. God has the worst value system in, like, ever. And all the miracles are so petty, so clearly designed to show off and impress primitive human beings and appeal to our inborn credulity and stupidity.

Despite the fact that I'm a libertarian (veering towards anarchism), I understand how people could support libertarian socialism or pure communism. When it comes to religion, however, I fail to understand how a reasonably intelligent person could watch this video and still believe that any omni-anything God as described in most monotheisms exists and cares about humanity. One can only believe this if they have direct emotional reasons, a motivational desire to continue believing in God. The utter indifference of the universe and even planet Earth to human well-being is too obvious for a reasonable person to remain a theist, yet there are so many intelligent theists, I just don't understand it.

Are you serious? This video only touches certain construals of Christanity much less theism.

The Fool: The Video has no barring on the IMMORALITY of Christanity all together.
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