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8/28/2012 6:31:18 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
It is funny when a debate between religions turns into a free-for-all to expose which "holy book" has the most porn in it.

Here is a video where a Christian and a Muslim go at each other full-throttle.

Muslim: The Bible is not from God because there are these shocking verses:

Ezekiel 23:20
There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.


Christian: Well, the Quran is guilty too. Look at how these "houris" (virgins) in Allah's heaven are described by it.

Quran 78:33
Indeed, for the righteous is attainment - Gardens and grapevines and full-breasted [companions] of equal age.


Can the discourse be kept at a higher level?

Full Disclosure - There are many detailed sexual descriptions of Sita in the Ramayana (a Hindu epic) - lest it be thought I am picking on other religions alone!

Were all holy books written by sex-starved men who then went on to preach abstinence for everyone else?
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8/28/2012 6:34:36 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
I doubt Hinduism really cares much for abstinence from males . . . I mean, the religion is pretty explicit when it discusses what the gods did. The Ancient Greeks had similar myths, and they did not demand male abstinence.
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8/28/2012 7:28:56 AM
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Kinda sad when people take any and everything out of proportion, its kinda dishonest, Lets read:

KJV-R (Webster) Ezekiel 23:1 The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying,
2 Son of man, there were two women, the daughters of one mother:
3 And they committed whoredoms in Egypt; they committed whoredoms in their youth: there were their breasts pressed, and there they bruised the teats of their virginity.
4 And the names of them wereAholah the elder, and Aholibah her sister: and they were mine, and they bare sons and daughters. Thus weretheir names; Samaria is Aholah, and Jerusalem Aholibah.
5 And Aholah played the harlot when she was mine; and she doted on her lovers, on the Assyrians her neighbours,
6 Which wereclothed with blue, captains and rulers, all of them desirable young men, horsemen riding upon horses.
7 Thus she committed her whoredoms with them, with all them that were the chosen men of Assyria, and with all on whom she doted: with all their idols she defiled herself.
8 Neither left she her whoredoms broughtfrom Egypt: for in her youth they lay with her, and they bruised the breasts of her virginity, and poured their whoredom upon her.
9 Wherefore I have delivered her into the hand of her lovers, into the hand of the Assyrians, upon whom she doted.
KJV-R (Webster) Ezekiel 23:10 These discovered her nakedness: they took her sons and her daughters, and slew her with the sword: and she became famous among women; for they had executed judgment upon her.
11 And when her sister Aholibah saw this, she was more corrupt in her inordinate love than she, and in her whoredoms more than her sister in herwhoredoms.
12 She doted upon the Assyrians herneighbours, captains and rulers clothed most gorgeously, horsemen riding upon horses, all of them desirable young men.
13 Then I saw that she was defiled, thatthey tookboth one way,
14 And thatshe increased her whoredoms: for when she saw men pourtrayed upon the wall, the images of the Chaldeans pourtrayed with vermilion,
15 Girded with girdles upon their loins, exceeding in dyed attire upon their heads, all of them princes to look to, after the manner of the Babylonians of Chaldea, the land of their nativity:
16 And as soon as she saw them with her eyes, she doted upon them, and sent messengers unto them into Chaldea.
17 And the Babylonians came to her into the bed of love, and they defiled her with their whoredom, and she was polluted with them, and her mind was alienated from them.
KJV-R (Webster) Ezekiel 23:18 So she discovered her whoredoms, and discovered her nakedness: then my mind was alienated from her, like as my mind was alienated from her sister.
19 Yet she multiplied her whoredoms, in calling to remembrance the days of her youth, wherein she had played the harlot in the land of Egypt.
20 For she doted upon their paramours, whose flesh is asthe flesh of asses, and whose issue is likethe issue of horses.
21 Thus thou calledst to remembrance the lewdness of thy youth, in bruising thy teats by the Egyptians for the paps of thy youth.
22 Therefore, O Aholibah, thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will raise up thy lovers against thee, from whom thy mind is alienated, and I will bring them against thee on every side;
23 The Babylonians, and all the Chaldeans, Pekod, and Shoa, and Koa, andall the Assyrians with them: all of them desirable young men, captains and rulers, great lords and renowned, all of them riding upon horses.
24 And they shall come against thee with chariots, wagons, and wheels, and with an assembly of people, whichshall set against thee buckler and shield and helmet round about: and I will set judgment before them, and they shall judge thee according to their judgments.
KJV-R (Webster) Ezekiel 23:25 And I will set my jealousy against thee, and they shall deal furiously with thee: they shall take away thy nose and thine ears; and thy remnant shall fall by the sword: they shall take thy sons and thy daughters; and thy residue shall be devoured by the fire.
26 They shall also strip thee out of thy clothes, and take away thy fair jewels.
27 Thus will I make thy lewdness to cease from thee, and thy whoredom broughtfrom the land of Egypt: so that thou shalt not lift up thine eyes unto them, nor remember Egypt any more.

Read the whole thing to get the full description of what was said and what it meant. I could quote anyone if I use just a few words and blow it out of proportion.
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8/28/2012 7:41:01 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/28/2012 6:31:18 AM, Microsuck wrote:
It is funny when a debate between religions turns into a free-for-all to expose which "holy book" has the most porn in it.

Here is a video where a Christian and a Muslim go at each other full-throttle.

Muslim: The Bible is not from God because there are these shocking verses:


Ezekiel 23:20
There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.


Christian: Well, the Quran is guilty too. Look at how these "houris" (virgins) in Allah's heaven are described by it.

Quran 78:33
Indeed, for the righteous is attainment - Gardens and grapevines and full-breasted [companions] of equal age.


Can the discourse be kept at a higher level?

Full Disclosure - There are many detailed sexual descriptions of Sita in the Ramayana (a Hindu epic) - lest it be thought I am picking on other religions alone!

Were all holy books written by sex-starved men who then went on to preach abstinence for everyone else?
The Quran doesn't use the wording "full-breasted." The Arabic speaks of the age in which a woman is mature, and that's the period where her breasts are swelling. Learn the difference.

The content in the Bible is not comparable to the Quran, even if the actual wording was "full breasted" or "swelling breasts."
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8/28/2012 7:44:14 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/28/2012 7:41:01 AM, Mirza wrote:
At 8/28/2012 6:31:18 AM, Microsuck wrote:
It is funny when a debate between religions turns into a free-for-all to expose which "holy book" has the most porn in it.

Here is a video where a Christian and a Muslim go at each other full-throttle.

Muslim: The Bible is not from God because there are these shocking verses:


Ezekiel 23:20
There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.


Christian: Well, the Quran is guilty too. Look at how these "houris" (virgins) in Allah's heaven are described by it.

Quran 78:33
Indeed, for the righteous is attainment - Gardens and grapevines and full-breasted [companions] of equal age.


Can the discourse be kept at a higher level?

Full Disclosure - There are many detailed sexual descriptions of Sita in the Ramayana (a Hindu epic) - lest it be thought I am picking on other religions alone!

Were all holy books written by sex-starved men who then went on to preach abstinence for everyone else?
The Quran doesn't use the wording "full-breasted." The Arabic speaks of the age in which a woman is mature, and that's the period where her breasts are swelling. Learn the difference.

The content in the Bible is not comparable to the Quran, even if the actual wording was "full breasted" or "swelling breasts."

It is also out of context from the Hebrew and the King James version also. He used the new translations.LOL
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8/28/2012 9:06:27 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/28/2012 6:33:19 AM, royalpaladin wrote:
You covered three religions and you think that all holy books have explicit material in them?

I was sharing someone else. Probably should have quoted.
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8/28/2012 9:38:01 AM
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The Muslim defends his bible, by saying men want fully-developed women; well, last I checked, women want fully-developed men.
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8/28/2012 10:03:22 AM
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At 8/28/2012 9:38:01 AM, s-anthony wrote:
The Muslim defends his bible, by saying men want fully-developed women; well, last I checked, women want fully-developed men.

LOL
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8/28/2012 10:07:30 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/28/2012 9:38:01 AM, s-anthony wrote:
The Muslim defends his bible, by saying men want fully-developed women; well, last I checked, women want fully-developed men.
You turned off your strawman-detector Ma'am.
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8/28/2012 12:29:55 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/28/2012 10:07:30 AM, Mirza wrote:
You turned off your strawman-detector Ma'am.

Saying something is a straw man is not an argument, telling me why it's ok for the Koran to speak of well-endowed women but not for the Bible to speak of well-endowed men is.
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8/28/2012 12:57:04 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/28/2012 6:31:18 AM, Microsuck wrote:

It is funny when a debate between religions turns into a free-for-all to expose which "holy book" has the most porn in it.

Here is a video where a Christian and a Muslim go at each other full-throttle.

Muslim: The Bible is not from God because there are these shocking verses:


Ezekiel 23:20
There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.


Christian: Well, the Quran is guilty too. Look at how these "houris" (virgins) in Allah's heaven are described by it.

Quran 78:33
Indeed, for the righteous is attainment - Gardens and grapevines and full-breasted [companions] of equal age.


The phrase "full breasted" is pornographic, egads...talk about uptight.

Can the discourse be kept at a higher level?

Full Disclosure - There are many detailed sexual descriptions of Sita in the Ramayana (a Hindu epic) - lest it be thought I am picking on other religions alone!

Were all holy books written by sex-starved men who then went on to preach abstinence for everyone else?

Nope, most were written by men is all, and that's that's just how men think.

I'm not sure what holy books you are talking about, not many preach abstinance, but I'm pretty sure that when men do preach abstinance for everybody else, it's just an attempt to get more for themselves.
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8/28/2012 1:02:47 PM
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8/28/2012 1:07:05 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/28/2012 12:29:55 PM, s-anthony wrote:
Saying something is a straw man is not an argument,
It wasn't intended to be an argument. Just pointed out a little fallacy on your part.

telling me why it's ok for the Koran to speak of well-endowed women
It doesn't.

but not for the Bible to speak of well-endowed men is.
Pornography is not from God. Any description like genitals with the size of donkey ones or whatever else there is cannot be from God. If you think that describing the period where a woman gets large breasts is comparable to telling a story of a woman and a man with large genitals, then we have a problem sir.
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8/28/2012 1:19:06 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/28/2012 1:07:05 PM, Mirza wrote:
Pornography is not from God. Any description like genitals with the size of donkey ones or whatever else there is cannot be from God. If you think that describing the period where a woman gets large breasts is comparable to telling a story of a woman and a man with large genitals, then we have a problem sir.

Where does a woman get her large breasts or a man his penis?
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8/28/2012 1:40:56 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/28/2012 6:31:18 AM, Microsuck wrote:


It is funny when a debate between religions turns into a free-for-all to expose which "holy book" has the most porn in it.

Here is a video where a Christian and a Muslim go at each other full-throttle.

Muslim: The Bible is not from God because there are these shocking verses:


Ezekiel 23:20
There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.


Christian: Well, the Quran is guilty too. Look at how these "houris" (virgins) in Allah's heaven are described by it.

Quran 78:33
Indeed, for the righteous is attainment - Gardens and grapevines and full-breasted [companions] of equal age.


Can the discourse be kept at a higher level?

Full Disclosure - There are many detailed sexual descriptions of Sita in the Ramayana (a Hindu epic) - lest it be thought I am picking on other religions alone!

Were all holy books written by sex-starved men who then went on to preach abstinence for everyone else?

Filth! Burn all Bibles now!

And yes, I know I didn't call for the Q'ran to be burned as well, do you think I'm stupid?
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8/28/2012 1:49:09 PM
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I'm not sure what atheists are so shocked about. Do they think reality is some kind of G-rated film for the family, rather than the way it really is? Do they think human history is some kind of children's movie? Yes, there are strong passages in the books of the Hebrew Bible, text that shows life as it was at the time in explicit detail. Why? Because that is the way things were. People did not have TVs, sofas, your next-door Walmart, food on demand, and generally peaceful countries and governments. Life in that historical context was very different from ours. It's just history. Get used to it.
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8/28/2012 2:21:48 PM
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At 8/28/2012 6:31:18 AM, Microsuck wrote:
Full Disclosure - There are many detailed sexual descriptions of Sita in the Ramayana (a Hindu epic) - lest it be thought I am picking on other religions alone!

Um, clearly that's different. In Eastern religion, sex is never condemned or hidden, it is celebrated. In Western religion you find that it has scattered descriptions of fornication here and there, but it speaks of it in a different manner than Hindu literature, it represses sexual tendencies in many cases except to procreate.
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8/28/2012 4:38:04 PM
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At 8/28/2012 1:40:56 PM, brian_eggleston wrote:
At 8/28/2012 6:31:18 AM, Microsuck wrote:


It is funny when a debate between religions turns into a free-for-all to expose which "holy book" has the most porn in it.

Here is a video where a Christian and a Muslim go at each other full-throttle.

Muslim: The Bible is not from God because there are these shocking verses:


Ezekiel 23:20
There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses.


Christian: Well, the Quran is guilty too. Look at how these "houris" (virgins) in Allah's heaven are described by it.

Quran 78:33
Indeed, for the righteous is attainment - Gardens and grapevines and full-breasted [companions] of equal age.


Can the discourse be kept at a higher level?

Full Disclosure - There are many detailed sexual descriptions of Sita in the Ramayana (a Hindu epic) - lest it be thought I am picking on other religions alone!

Were all holy books written by sex-starved men who then went on to preach abstinence for everyone else?

Filth! Burn all Bibles now!

And yes, I know I didn't call for the Q'ran to be burned as well, do you think I'm stupid?

YES
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8/28/2012 5:31:16 PM
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At 8/28/2012 7:28:56 AM, ScottyDouglas wrote:
Kinda sad when people take any and everything out of proportion, its kinda dishonest, Lets read:

KJV-R (Webster) Ezekiel 23:1 The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying,
2 Son of man, there were two women, the daughters of one mother:
3 And they committed whoredoms in Egypt; they committed whoredoms in their youth: there were their breasts pressed, and there they bruised the teats of their virginity.
4 And the names of them wereAholah the elder, and Aholibah her sister: and they were mine, and they bare sons and daughters. Thus weretheir names; Samaria is Aholah, and Jerusalem Aholibah.
5 And Aholah played the harlot when she was mine; and she doted on her lovers, on the Assyrians her neighbours,
6 Which wereclothed with blue, captains and rulers, all of them desirable young men, horsemen riding upon horses.
7 Thus she committed her whoredoms with them, with all them that were the chosen men of Assyria, and with all on whom she doted: with all their idols she defiled herself.
8 Neither left she her whoredoms broughtfrom Egypt: for in her youth they lay with her, and they bruised the breasts of her virginity, and poured their whoredom upon her.
9 Wherefore I have delivered her into the hand of her lovers, into the hand of the Assyrians, upon whom she doted.
KJV-R (Webster) Ezekiel 23:10 These discovered her nakedness: they took her sons and her daughters, and slew her with the sword: and she became famous among women; for they had executed judgment upon her.
11 And when her sister Aholibah saw this, she was more corrupt in her inordinate love than she, and in her whoredoms more than her sister in herwhoredoms.
12 She doted upon the Assyrians herneighbours, captains and rulers clothed most gorgeously, horsemen riding upon horses, all of them desirable young men.
13 Then I saw that she was defiled, thatthey tookboth one way,
14 And thatshe increased her whoredoms: for when she saw men pourtrayed upon the wall, the images of the Chaldeans pourtrayed with vermilion,
15 Girded with girdles upon their loins, exceeding in dyed attire upon their heads, all of them princes to look to, after the manner of the Babylonians of Chaldea, the land of their nativity:
16 And as soon as she saw them with her eyes, she doted upon them, and sent messengers unto them into Chaldea.
17 And the Babylonians came to her into the bed of love, and they defiled her with their whoredom, and she was polluted with them, and her mind was alienated from them.
KJV-R (Webster) Ezekiel 23:18 So she discovered her whoredoms, and discovered her nakedness: then my mind was alienated from her, like as my mind was alienated from her sister.
19 Yet she multiplied her whoredoms, in calling to remembrance the days of her youth, wherein she had played the harlot in the land of Egypt.
20 For she doted upon their paramours, whose flesh is asthe flesh of asses, and whose issue is likethe issue of horses.
21 Thus thou calledst to remembrance the lewdness of thy youth, in bruising thy teats by the Egyptians for the paps of thy youth.
22 Therefore, O Aholibah, thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will raise up thy lovers against thee, from whom thy mind is alienated, and I will bring them against thee on every side;
23 The Babylonians, and all the Chaldeans, Pekod, and Shoa, and Koa, andall the Assyrians with them: all of them desirable young men, captains and rulers, great lords and renowned, all of them riding upon horses.
24 And they shall come against thee with chariots, wagons, and wheels, and with an assembly of people, whichshall set against thee buckler and shield and helmet round about: and I will set judgment before them, and they shall judge thee according to their judgments.
KJV-R (Webster) Ezekiel 23:25 And I will set my jealousy against thee, and they shall deal furiously with thee: they shall take away thy nose and thine ears; and thy remnant shall fall by the sword: they shall take thy sons and thy daughters; and thy residue shall be devoured by the fire.
26 They shall also strip thee out of thy clothes, and take away thy fair jewels.
27 Thus will I make thy lewdness to cease from thee, and thy whoredom broughtfrom the land of Egypt: so that thou shalt not lift up thine eyes unto them, nor remember Egypt any more.

Read the whole thing to get the full description of what was said and what it meant. I could quote anyone if I use just a few words and blow it out of proportion.

Well then that's simply wrong. These girls are being killed for having sex? Lol, if men were killed every time one of us "defiled himself", humanity would have died out due to a lack of males a long time ago.
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8/30/2012 10:41:13 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 8/28/2012 5:31:16 PM, TheBossToss wrote:
At 8/28/2012 7:28:56 AM, ScottyDouglas wrote:
Kinda sad when people take any and everything out of proportion, its kinda dishonest, Lets read:

KJV-R (Webster) Ezekiel 23:1 The word of the LORD came again unto me, saying,
2 Son of man, there were two women, the daughters of one mother:
3 And they committed whoredoms in Egypt; they committed whoredoms in their youth: there were their breasts pressed, and there they bruised the teats of their virginity.
4 And the names of them wereAholah the elder, and Aholibah her sister: and they were mine, and they bare sons and daughters. Thus weretheir names; Samaria is Aholah, and Jerusalem Aholibah.
5 And Aholah played the harlot when she was mine; and she doted on her lovers, on the Assyrians her neighbours,
6 Which wereclothed with blue, captains and rulers, all of them desirable young men, horsemen riding upon horses.
7 Thus she committed her whoredoms with them, with all them that were the chosen men of Assyria, and with all on whom she doted: with all their idols she defiled herself.
8 Neither left she her whoredoms broughtfrom Egypt: for in her youth they lay with her, and they bruised the breasts of her virginity, and poured their whoredom upon her.
9 Wherefore I have delivered her into the hand of her lovers, into the hand of the Assyrians, upon whom she doted.
KJV-R (Webster) Ezekiel 23:10 These discovered her nakedness: they took her sons and her daughters, and slew her with the sword: and she became famous among women; for they had executed judgment upon her.
11 And when her sister Aholibah saw this, she was more corrupt in her inordinate love than she, and in her whoredoms more than her sister in herwhoredoms.
12 She doted upon the Assyrians herneighbours, captains and rulers clothed most gorgeously, horsemen riding upon horses, all of them desirable young men.
13 Then I saw that she was defiled, thatthey tookboth one way,
14 And thatshe increased her whoredoms: for when she saw men pourtrayed upon the wall, the images of the Chaldeans pourtrayed with vermilion,
15 Girded with girdles upon their loins, exceeding in dyed attire upon their heads, all of them princes to look to, after the manner of the Babylonians of Chaldea, the land of their nativity:
16 And as soon as she saw them with her eyes, she doted upon them, and sent messengers unto them into Chaldea.
17 And the Babylonians came to her into the bed of love, and they defiled her with their whoredom, and she was polluted with them, and her mind was alienated from them.
KJV-R (Webster) Ezekiel 23:18 So she discovered her whoredoms, and discovered her nakedness: then my mind was alienated from her, like as my mind was alienated from her sister.
19 Yet she multiplied her whoredoms, in calling to remembrance the days of her youth, wherein she had played the harlot in the land of Egypt.
20 For she doted upon their paramours, whose flesh is asthe flesh of asses, and whose issue is likethe issue of horses.
21 Thus thou calledst to remembrance the lewdness of thy youth, in bruising thy teats by the Egyptians for the paps of thy youth.
22 Therefore, O Aholibah, thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will raise up thy lovers against thee, from whom thy mind is alienated, and I will bring them against thee on every side;
23 The Babylonians, and all the Chaldeans, Pekod, and Shoa, and Koa, andall the Assyrians with them: all of them desirable young men, captains and rulers, great lords and renowned, all of them riding upon horses.
24 And they shall come against thee with chariots, wagons, and wheels, and with an assembly of people, whichshall set against thee buckler and shield and helmet round about: and I will set judgment before them, and they shall judge thee according to their judgments.
KJV-R (Webster) Ezekiel 23:25 And I will set my jealousy against thee, and they shall deal furiously with thee: they shall take away thy nose and thine ears; and thy remnant shall fall by the sword: they shall take thy sons and thy daughters; and thy residue shall be devoured by the fire.
26 They shall also strip thee out of thy clothes, and take away thy fair jewels.
27 Thus will I make thy lewdness to cease from thee, and thy whoredom broughtfrom the land of Egypt: so that thou shalt not lift up thine eyes unto them, nor remember Egypt any more.

Read the whole thing to get the full description of what was said and what it meant. I could quote anyone if I use just a few words and blow it out of proportion.

Well then that's simply wrong. These girls are being killed for having sex? Lol, if men were killed every time one of us "defiled himself", humanity would have died out due to a lack of males a long time ago.

Different time different rules. Under the old law this was the punishment for being a whore. God killed plenty of men for the same offenses, consider Sodom and the Great Flood. Trying to turn it into some sort of anti-woman's rights verse is as ridiculous as the original video posted.
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