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Wallstreetatheist
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9/3/2012 2:09:29 AM
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Why do you unbelievers stop at Christianity when the final prophet was Mohammad?
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AlwaysMoreThanYou
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9/3/2012 5:50:25 AM
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At 9/3/2012 2:09:29 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Why do you unbelievers stop at Christianity when the final prophet was Mohammad?

Because I'm an unreasonable person.
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9/5/2012 6:20:42 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/3/2012 2:09:29 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Why do you unbelievers stop at Christianity when the final prophet was Mohammad?:

Mohammad descends from Ishmael. Ishmael was the child of Hagar, who was the mistress of Sarai, wife of Abraham. This story right here show's the difference between the Chritian God and the Islamic God. They are not the same.
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9/5/2012 6:26:35 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/5/2012 6:20:42 PM, TheAsylum wrote:
At 9/3/2012 2:09:29 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Why do you unbelievers stop at Christianity when the final prophet was Mohammad?:

Mohammad descends from Ishmael. Ishmael was the child of Hagar, who was the mistress of Sarai, wife of Abraham. This story right here show's the difference between the Chritian God and the Islamic God. They are not the same.

Ishmael was also a son of Abraham though so how does that make it a different god?
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9/5/2012 6:32:11 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/5/2012 6:26:35 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 9/5/2012 6:20:42 PM, TheAsylum wrote:
At 9/3/2012 2:09:29 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Why do you unbelievers stop at Christianity when the final prophet was Mohammad?:

Mohammad descends from Ishmael. Ishmael was the child of Hagar, who was the mistress of Sarai, wife of Abraham. This story right here show's the difference between the Chritian God and the Islamic God. They are not the same.

Ishmael was also a son of Abraham though so how does that make it a different god?:

So, you are concluding that Ishmael worshipped the same God? Even though there are simliarities between the two the have many differences. God does not change on either side. If we display differences then that shows a different God. Issac was the Christian and Jewish promised child not Ishmael. If we did have the same God(I can understand not accepting Jesus), but wouldn't Islam also preach from the Bible also and not just the Qu'ran?
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9/5/2012 6:39:19 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/5/2012 6:32:11 PM, TheAsylum wrote:
At 9/5/2012 6:26:35 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 9/5/2012 6:20:42 PM, TheAsylum wrote:
At 9/3/2012 2:09:29 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Why do you unbelievers stop at Christianity when the final prophet was Mohammad?:

Mohammad descends from Ishmael. Ishmael was the child of Hagar, who was the mistress of Sarai, wife of Abraham. This story right here show's the difference between the Chritian God and the Islamic God. They are not the same.

Ishmael was also a son of Abraham though so how does that make it a different god?:

So, you are concluding that Ishmael worshipped the same God? Even though there are simliarities between the two the have many differences. God does not change on either side. If we display differences then that shows a different God. Issac was the Christian and Jewish promised child not Ishmael. If we did have the same God(I can understand not accepting Jesus), but wouldn't Islam also preach from the Bible also and not just the Qu'ran?

Muslims also believe in the Bible as an earlier revelation, but a corrupted one. To think Muslims don't believe in the Bible is ignorance.
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9/5/2012 6:57:45 PM
Posted: 4 years ago

So, you are concluding that Ishmael worshipped the same God? Even though there are simliarities between the two the have many differences. God does not change on either side. If we display differences then that shows a different God. Issac was the Christian and Jewish promised child not Ishmael. If we did have the same God(I can understand not accepting Jesus), but wouldn't Islam also preach from the Bible also and not just the Qu'ran?

Muslims also believe in the Bible as an earlier revelation, but a corrupted one. To think Muslims don't believe in the Bible is ignorance.:

I did not say believe, I said preach. To go by your logic though, How can you believe in something you feel is corrupted? Would that not be ignorant? Again, Do Muslims teach/preach from the Bible?
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9/5/2012 7:10:28 PM
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How so? They are equally as unreasonable. Mohammed had epilepsy and it's obvious he hallucinated. You have zero evidence that Islam is anything but the ramblings of a charismatic, somewhat delusional man. I have read the Bible, but every time I try and read the Koran, I find something so offensive that I have to put it down. I will try again sometime, but the morality of a thirteen to fourteen hundred year old civilization is offensive to my own modern morality.
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9/5/2012 7:20:55 PM
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Probabilistically, Christians best bet would have been to stick with Abraham/Moses. The more prophets you follow, the more likely you'll end up with a fraud.
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9/5/2012 7:33:39 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/5/2012 7:20:55 PM, Wnope wrote:
Probabilistically, Christians best bet would have been to stick with Abraham/Moses. The more prophets you follow, the more likely you'll end up with a fraud.

Thats good advice, maybe, evolutionist and scientist should follow it.
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9/5/2012 11:32:21 PM
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At 9/3/2012 2:09:29 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Why do you unbelievers stop at Christianity when the final prophet was Mohammad?

Islam is mostly an off-shoot of Yahwism.. Hell, the first 30 chapters of the Qur'an is pretty much nothing other than back referencing Yahweh and exclaiming repetitively about "fearing GOD".. There isn't much in the Qur'an other than it being its out off-shoot religion that evolved out of the original. And if you read exodus and psalms, you will understand Qur'an verses such as:

Surah 24, Ayah 43 "Seest thou not that Allah makes the clouds move gently, then joins them together, then makes them into a heap? - Then wilt thou see rain issue forth from their midst. And He sends down from the sky mountain masses (of clouds) wherein is hail: He strikes therewith whom He pleases and He turns it away from whom He pleases, the vivid flash of His lightning well-nigh blinds the sight"

Surah 13, Ayah 12-13 "It is He Who doth show you the lightning, by way both of fear and of hope: It is He Who doth raise up the clouds, heavy with (fertilizing) rain! Nay, thunder repeateth His praises, and so do the angels, with awe: He flingeth the loud-voiced thunder-bolts, and therewith He striketh whomsoever He will. Yet these (are the men) who (dare to) dispute about Allah, with the strength of His power (supreme)!"

'when Muhammad saw the mountain of Uhud, he said, "This is the mountain that loves and is loved by us" (Bukhari 9:433).

And Mohammed used to pray to this god in cave up in the mountains like a lot of mountain GOD worshipers did. :/
s-anthony
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9/6/2012 12:19:56 AM
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At 9/5/2012 6:20:42 PM, TheAsylum wrote:
Mohammad descends from Ishmael. Ishmael was the child of Hagar, who was the mistress of Sarai, wife of Abraham. This story right here show's the difference between the Chritian God and the Islamic God. They are not the same.

The god of Abraham was not in anyway Christian; in fact, it's a stretch to say it was Jewish. Abraham was from Ur of the Chaldees (or Chaldeans); who were the ancient ancestors of the Babylonians; whose gods looked nothing like the god of Moses.
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9/6/2012 12:35:11 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/6/2012 12:19:56 AM, s-anthony wrote:
At 9/5/2012 6:20:42 PM, TheAsylum wrote:
Mohammad descends from Ishmael. Ishmael was the child of Hagar, who was the mistress of Sarai, wife of Abraham. This story right here show's the difference between the Chritian God and the Islamic God. They are not the same.

The god of Abraham was not in anyway Christian; in fact, it's a stretch to say it was Jewish. Abraham was from Ur of the Chaldees (or Chaldeans); who were the ancient ancestors of the Babylonians; whose gods looked nothing like the god of Moses.

Correct.. And Moses has nothing to do with Christianity actually either. Moses was yahwist and not a Christian. Christianity is an invented religion plaigrized. It was pasted into and over the Yahwist religion, or made use of the GOD Yahweh. And yes, Yahweh replaced the Pagan GOD EL (El Elyon) in Exodus. It claims it is the GOD of Abraham, but not likely the same GOD even though El Elyon was at the time of Abraham the Cheif of the mountains and father of all the mountain GODs.. Also know by jews as El Shaddai (God almighty / God of the Mountains) ... Moses Volcano God Yahweh to which was a shasu GOD from the Shasu of YHW replaced them, and even claimed to be the same GOD.