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Can you identify any qualities of infinity?

Sidewalker
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9/21/2012 4:56:43 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/21/2012 4:18:12 PM, Archistrategos wrote:
Well can you?

It's big, spatially hard to wrap your arms around, temporally endless, and it gets under tBoonePickens' skin.
"It is one of the commonest of mistakes to consider that the limit of our power of perception is also the limit of all there is to perceive." " C. W. Leadbeater
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9/21/2012 5:00:40 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/21/2012 4:47:55 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
Never ending, unlimited ect...Why?

Be Cause ;)

Can you get any more specific as to it's qualities and not quantity?
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9/21/2012 5:02:09 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/21/2012 4:56:43 PM, Sidewalker wrote:
At 9/21/2012 4:18:12 PM, Archistrategos wrote:
Well can you?

It's big, spatially hard to wrap your arms around, temporally endless, and it gets under tBoonePickens' skin.

What are the qualities of its all around endlessness...?

Hint: one of them is in the previous sentence.
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9/21/2012 5:28:35 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/21/2012 5:00:40 PM, Archistrategos wrote:
At 9/21/2012 4:47:55 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
Never ending, unlimited ect...Why?

Be Cause ;)

Can you get any more specific as to it's qualities and not quantity?

It's quantity is a quality lol
RoyLatham
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9/21/2012 5:29:58 PM
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You seem to be asking for a tutorial. Here is a start: http://en.wikipedia.org...

That articles links the Hilbert Hotel Paradox http://en.wikipedia.org... The paradox involves an imagined hotel with an infinite number of rooms. All the rooms are occupied. Yet if a new guest arrives, he can be put in Room 1 with the guest previously in Room 1 moved to Room 2, and so forth with the guest in Room n moved to Room n+1. The thing is that the paradox defies our common sense, but it is logically correct. Similarly Zeno's paradox is not a real paradox.

Just read the article and what it links.
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9/21/2012 5:37:09 PM
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At 9/21/2012 5:29:54 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
This seems like a really random thread...What do qualities of infinity have to do with anything?

With an infinite God manifesting anything at all.
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9/21/2012 5:37:54 PM
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At 9/21/2012 5:20:45 PM, THEBOMB wrote:
Defining infinity limits infinity.

Does defining infinity as "all around" limit it?
Enji
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9/21/2012 5:38:44 PM
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At 9/21/2012 5:37:09 PM, Archistrategos wrote:
At 9/21/2012 5:29:54 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
This seems like a really random thread...What do qualities of infinity have to do with anything?

With an infinite God manifesting anything at all.

Infinity therefor god. Seems legit.
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9/21/2012 5:41:03 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/21/2012 5:37:54 PM, Archistrategos wrote:
At 9/21/2012 5:20:45 PM, THEBOMB wrote:
Defining infinity limits infinity.

Does defining infinity as "all around" limit it?

Definitions limit potential but, it is necessary to limit potential in order to make sense of the world. So, to answer your question, yes.
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9/21/2012 5:43:23 PM
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At 9/21/2012 5:38:44 PM, Enji wrote:
At 9/21/2012 5:37:09 PM, Archistrategos wrote:
At 9/21/2012 5:29:54 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
This seems like a really random thread...What do qualities of infinity have to do with anything?

With an infinite God manifesting anything at all.

Infinity therefor god. Seems legit.
Hasty conclusion, seems impatient.....;)
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9/21/2012 5:44:54 PM
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At 9/21/2012 5:41:03 PM, THEBOMB wrote:
At 9/21/2012 5:37:54 PM, Archistrategos wrote:
At 9/21/2012 5:20:45 PM, THEBOMB wrote:
Defining infinity limits infinity.

Does defining infinity as "all around" limit it?

Definitions limit potential but, it is necessary to limit potential in order to make sense of the world. So, to answer your question, yes.

So if you were standing in infinity, to describe it as all around you would be false?

You guys are thinking too much. Get simple, as simple as you can.
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9/21/2012 5:46:31 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/21/2012 5:44:54 PM, Archistrategos wrote:
At 9/21/2012 5:41:03 PM, THEBOMB wrote:
At 9/21/2012 5:37:54 PM, Archistrategos wrote:
At 9/21/2012 5:20:45 PM, THEBOMB wrote:
Defining infinity limits infinity.

Does defining infinity as "all around" limit it?

Definitions limit potential but, it is necessary to limit potential in order to make sense of the world. So, to answer your question, yes.

So if you were standing in infinity, to describe it as all around you would be false?

Defining infinity as all around you limits infinity just to be all around you.


You guys are thinking too much. Get simple, as simple as you can.
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9/21/2012 5:48:54 PM
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At 9/21/2012 5:46:31 PM, THEBOMB wrote:
Defining infinity as all around you limits infinity just to be all around you.

So where else is it?
Enji
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9/21/2012 5:49:40 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/21/2012 5:43:23 PM, Archistrategos wrote:
At 9/21/2012 5:38:44 PM, Enji wrote:
At 9/21/2012 5:37:09 PM, Archistrategos wrote:
At 9/21/2012 5:29:54 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
This seems like a really random thread...What do qualities of infinity have to do with anything?

With an infinite God manifesting anything at all.

Infinity therefor god. Seems legit.
Hasty conclusion, seems impatient.....;)

If "an infinite god manifesting anything at all" is the relevance of qualities of infinity in regards to religion, then qualities of infinity must somehow imply the existence (or possibility) of an infinite god manifesting anything at all. Thus, the argument appears to be "infinity therefor god."
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9/21/2012 5:50:24 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/21/2012 5:48:54 PM, Archistrategos wrote:
At 9/21/2012 5:46:31 PM, THEBOMB wrote:
Defining infinity as all around you limits infinity just to be all around you.

So where else is it?

More to the point, where is infinity in relationship to itself???
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9/21/2012 5:50:53 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/21/2012 5:37:54 PM, Archistrategos wrote:
At 9/21/2012 5:20:45 PM, THEBOMB wrote:
Defining infinity limits infinity.

Does defining infinity as "all around" limit it?

You are not able to define "infinity" as you wish, any more that you are free to define "three" as you wish. The definitions are mathematically precise. You are free to speak metaphorically and call up "the infinite" in a general way, but there is no point in trying to make a precise definition of a metaphor.
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9/21/2012 5:51:19 PM
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At 9/21/2012 5:48:54 PM, Archistrategos wrote:
At 9/21/2012 5:46:31 PM, THEBOMB wrote:
Defining infinity as all around you limits infinity just to be all around you.

So where else is it?

Why are you attempting to describe infinity? Once you describe infinity, it has no meaning. Better to not do so at all.

What else is it? Nothing. That is what it is.
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9/21/2012 5:53:32 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/21/2012 5:50:24 PM, Archistrategos wrote:
At 9/21/2012 5:48:54 PM, Archistrategos wrote:
At 9/21/2012 5:46:31 PM, THEBOMB wrote:
Defining infinity as all around you limits infinity just to be all around you.

So where else is it?

More to the point, where is infinity in relationship to itself???

Where is a circle or a line in relationship to itself?
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9/21/2012 5:54:45 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/21/2012 5:49:40 PM, Enji wrote:
At 9/21/2012 5:43:23 PM, Archistrategos wrote:
At 9/21/2012 5:38:44 PM, Enji wrote:
At 9/21/2012 5:37:09 PM, Archistrategos wrote:
At 9/21/2012 5:29:54 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
This seems like a really random thread...What do qualities of infinity have to do with anything?

With an infinite God manifesting anything at all.

Infinity therefor god. Seems legit.
Hasty conclusion, seems impatient.....;)

If "an infinite god manifesting anything at all" is the relevance of qualities of infinity in regards to religion, then qualities of infinity must somehow imply the existence (or possibility) of an infinite god manifesting anything at all. Thus, the argument appears to be "infinity therefor god."

Later in the exploration comes the evidence that there is Life upon the field of Infinity outside the manifest universe. What God (or God's) that might be is anyone's guess...but that comes at step 4, we haven't even gotten to step 1!
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9/21/2012 5:54:53 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/21/2012 5:50:24 PM, Archistrategos wrote:
At 9/21/2012 5:48:54 PM, Archistrategos wrote:
At 9/21/2012 5:46:31 PM, THEBOMB wrote:
Defining infinity as all around you limits infinity just to be all around you.

So where else is it?

More to the point, where is infinity in relationship to itself???

infinity is nowhere.
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9/21/2012 5:55:32 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/21/2012 5:53:32 PM, Enji wrote:
At 9/21/2012 5:50:24 PM, Archistrategos wrote:
At 9/21/2012 5:48:54 PM, Archistrategos wrote:
At 9/21/2012 5:46:31 PM, THEBOMB wrote:
Defining infinity as all around you limits infinity just to be all around you.

So where else is it?

More to the point, where is infinity in relationship to itself???

Where is a circle or a line in relationship to itself?

You are thinking 2d, think 3d.
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9/21/2012 6:00:25 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/21/2012 5:55:32 PM, Archistrategos wrote:
At 9/21/2012 5:53:32 PM, Enji wrote:
At 9/21/2012 5:50:24 PM, Archistrategos wrote:
At 9/21/2012 5:48:54 PM, Archistrategos wrote:
At 9/21/2012 5:46:31 PM, THEBOMB wrote:
Defining infinity as all around you limits infinity just to be all around you.

So where else is it?

More to the point, where is infinity in relationship to itself???

Where is a circle or a line in relationship to itself?

You are thinking 2d, think 3d.

You are thinking not-mathematically, think mathematically.

Infinity, like circles and lines, is a mathematical concept.
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9/21/2012 6:00:45 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/21/2012 5:50:53 PM, RoyLatham wrote:
At 9/21/2012 5:37:54 PM, Archistrategos wrote:
At 9/21/2012 5:20:45 PM, THEBOMB wrote:
Defining infinity limits infinity.

Does defining infinity as "all around" limit it?

You are not able to define "infinity" as you wish, any more that you are free to define "three" as you wish. The definitions are mathematically precise. You are free to speak metaphorically and call up "the infinite" in a general way, but there is no point in trying to make a precise definition of a metaphor.

lmao! you must be psychic. I am actually looking for 3 distinct relationships infinity has with itself.

And these relationships allow for a precise finite infinite to be formed. Three "shapes".

Not metaphorical. Real number from infinity.

So, a circle is a finite infinite yes? You can travel the circumference forever.....
So what is a Real 3d circle?
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9/21/2012 6:01:38 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/21/2012 5:54:53 PM, THEBOMB wrote:
At 9/21/2012 5:50:24 PM, Archistrategos wrote:
At 9/21/2012 5:48:54 PM, Archistrategos wrote:
At 9/21/2012 5:46:31 PM, THEBOMB wrote:
Defining infinity as all around you limits infinity just to be all around you.

So where else is it?

More to the point, where is infinity in relationship to itself???

infinity is nowhere.
Then you have nothing.

Why is not infinity everywhere?
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9/21/2012 6:01:41 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/21/2012 4:18:12 PM, Archistrategos wrote:
Well can you?

Magnitude that defies meaning, even in the presence of one.

Example: Here to the edge of the universe.