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Wallstreetatheist
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9/27/2012 7:06:01 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Religious peeps, if it was imperative that you choose and practice another religion, which would you choose and why?

I did this with irreligious people before and the responses overwhelmingly supported Buddhism. Others included Taoism, FREEDOISM, and Greek Mythology (technically wouldn't be called mythology if you practiced it).

Let's have a good, old-fashioned DDO Religious Forum discussion!
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9/27/2012 7:07:48 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Judaism.
'When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth; for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.' - John 16:13
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9/27/2012 7:10:27 AM
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Judaism and Islam. Assuming in this cross dimension they were true.
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9/27/2012 7:15:33 AM
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Possibly also Jainism.

My grandmother is Jain, and it seems to be working out fine for her.
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9/27/2012 7:21:56 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/27/2012 7:06:01 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Religious peeps, if it was imperative that you choose and practice another religion, which would you choose and why?

I did this with irreligious people before and the responses overwhelmingly supported Buddhism. Others included Taoism, FREEDOISM, and Greek Mythology (technically wouldn't be called mythology if you practiced it).

Let's have a good, old-fashioned DDO Religious Forum discussion!

Self-worship. The Bible states: Now if Christ is proclaimed as raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14And if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is in vain and your faith is in vain. 15We are even found to be misrepresenting God, because we testified about God that he raised Christ, whom he did not raise if it is true that the dead are not raised. 16For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised. 17And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile and you are still in your sins. 18Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. 19If in Christ we have hopeb in this life only, we are of all people most to be pitied.

If not Christ, then nothing else matters. Might as well worship myself.
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9/27/2012 7:26:27 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/27/2012 7:21:56 AM, GenesisCreation wrote:
At 9/27/2012 7:06:01 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Religious peeps, if it was imperative that you choose and practice another religion, which would you choose and why?

I did this with irreligious people before and the responses overwhelmingly supported Buddhism. Others included Taoism, FREEDOISM, and Greek Mythology (technically wouldn't be called mythology if you practiced it).

Let's have a good, old-fashioned DDO Religious Forum discussion!

Self-worship. The Bible states: Now if Christ is proclaimed as raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14And if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is in vain and your faith is in vain. 15We are even found to be misrepresenting God, because we testified about God that he raised Christ, whom he did not raise if it is true that the dead are not raised. 16For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised. 17And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile and you are still in your sins. 18Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. 19If in Christ we have hopeb in this life only, we are of all people most to be pitied.


If not Christ, then nothing else matters. Might as well worship myself.

And the award for the least creative DDOite goes to... (drum roll) GenesisCreation!
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9/27/2012 7:27:26 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/27/2012 7:15:33 AM, AlwaysMoreThanYou wrote:
Possibly also Jainism.

My grandmother is Jain, and it seems to be working out fine for her.

Jainism is actually a religion of peace (unlike the most bloody and brutal religion in the history of humanity, Islam).
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9/27/2012 7:28:43 AM
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At 9/27/2012 7:10:27 AM, OberHerr wrote:
Judaism and Islam. Assuming in this cross dimension they were true.

Islam is just a parody of Christianity, and Judaism is largely incorporated into Christianity. What would you choose if you couldn't choose one of the violent trifecta of monotheisms?
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9/27/2012 7:29:22 AM
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At 9/27/2012 7:27:26 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
At 9/27/2012 7:15:33 AM, AlwaysMoreThanYou wrote:
Possibly also Jainism.

My grandmother is Jain, and it seems to be working out fine for her.

Jainism is actually a religion of peace (unlike the most bloody and brutal religion in the history of humanity, Islam).

Why do you say "actually" like you would have expected to me to pick the most warmongering religion ever?
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9/27/2012 7:34:39 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
A universalism religion. I don't know which one.
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9/27/2012 7:49:06 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/27/2012 7:27:26 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
At 9/27/2012 7:15:33 AM, AlwaysMoreThanYou wrote:
Possibly also Jainism.

My grandmother is Jain, and it seems to be working out fine for her.

Jainism is actually a religion of peace (unlike the most bloody and brutal religion in the history of humanity, Islam).

Not entirely true. Jainism is a religion of non-violence. Jainist can enage in non-violent confrontation, protest or unlawful disobedience.
Um....You've got a log in your eye.
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9/27/2012 7:51:08 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/27/2012 7:27:26 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
At 9/27/2012 7:15:33 AM, AlwaysMoreThanYou wrote:
Possibly also Jainism.

My grandmother is Jain, and it seems to be working out fine for her.

Jainism is actually a religion of peace (unlike the most bloody and brutal religion in the history of humanity, Islam).

*Sigh*
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9/27/2012 8:00:32 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Come on, scientology is where its at!
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9/27/2012 8:08:46 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
The first god to spring into my mind is Pan.
A god of wild places, wine ,women ,song ,debauchery . Pan, would certainly be one of the most fun gods to be.
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9/27/2012 8:31:42 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Sikhism or Buddhism with all the supernatural stuff.
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9/27/2012 9:57:06 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/27/2012 7:06:01 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Religious peeps, if it was imperative that you choose and practice another religion, which would you choose and why?

I did this with irreligious people before and the responses overwhelmingly supported Buddhism. Others included Taoism, FREEDOISM, and Greek Mythology (technically wouldn't be called mythology if you practiced it).

Let's have a good, old-fashioned DDO Religious Forum discussion!

Why would it be imperative that I choose another religion?? I would be more likely to focus my non-conformity against the entity that was trying to force me to choose a religion.
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9/27/2012 10:17:42 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/27/2012 7:27:26 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
the most bloody and brutal religion in the history of humanity, Islam.
Nice, I assume you will accept a debate when a challenge pops up.
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9/27/2012 12:08:53 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Hinduism
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9/27/2012 1:39:09 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/27/2012 7:51:08 AM, Ron-Paul wrote:
At 9/27/2012 7:27:26 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:

Jainism is actually a religion of peace (unlike the most bloody and brutal religion in the history of humanity, Islam).

*Sigh*

LOL that was my thought exactly.

As for me, I would choose either Wicca or Buddhism if I had to convert to a different religion.
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9/27/2012 1:41:08 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/27/2012 7:29:22 AM, AlwaysMoreThanYou wrote:
At 9/27/2012 7:27:26 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
At 9/27/2012 7:15:33 AM, AlwaysMoreThanYou wrote:
Possibly also Jainism.

My grandmother is Jain, and it seems to be working out fine for her.

Jainism is actually a religion of peace (unlike the most bloody and brutal religion in the history of humanity, Islam).

Why do you say "actually" like you would have expected to me to pick the most warmongering religion ever?

I said "actually" because usually when someone says his religion is a religion of peace he is lying like hell. Since peace is a main tenet of Jainism, and it's religious history is quite peaceful, it's a religion of peace.
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9/27/2012 1:42:24 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/27/2012 7:51:08 AM, Ron-Paul wrote:
At 9/27/2012 7:27:26 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
At 9/27/2012 7:15:33 AM, AlwaysMoreThanYou wrote:
Possibly also Jainism.

My grandmother is Jain, and it seems to be working out fine for her.

Jainism is actually a religion of peace (unlike the most bloody and brutal religion in the history of humanity, Islam).

*Sigh*

http://www.debate.org...
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com...

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9/27/2012 1:45:17 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/27/2012 1:42:24 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
http://www.debate.org...
Con's arguments are rubbish. Look at the voters, are they Muslims or Christians? Sheesh, ward off.
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9/27/2012 1:47:09 PM
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At 9/27/2012 10:17:42 AM, Mirza wrote:
At 9/27/2012 7:27:26 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
the most bloody and brutal religion in the history of humanity, Islam.
Nice, I assume you will accept a debate when a challenge pops up.

GenesisCreation hit all the major points well. I'm sorry this doesn't agree with your confirmation bias, but Islam has been the most violent and brutal religion in history, and it even continues today like an immature bully. If you want to actually address some of the issues yourself, I invite you to. When you can address the issues as an adult, we'll discuss, perhaps debate.

Islamic Religious Violence - http://en.wikipedia.org...
Collection of Islam-inspired terrorist attacks - http://www.thereligionofpeace.com...
GenesisCreation's Pwnage of RP - http://www.debate.org...
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9/27/2012 1:50:32 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/27/2012 1:47:09 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
At 9/27/2012 10:17:42 AM, Mirza wrote:
At 9/27/2012 7:27:26 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
the most bloody and brutal religion in the history of humanity, Islam.
Nice, I assume you will accept a debate when a challenge pops up.

GenesisCreation hit all the major points well. I'm sorry this doesn't agree with your confirmation bias, but Islam has been the most violent and brutal religion in history, and it even continues today like an immature bully. If you want to actually address some of the issues yourself, I invite you to. When you can address the issues as an adult, we'll discuss, perhaps debate.

Islamic Religious Violence - http://en.wikipedia.org...
Collection of Islam-inspired terrorist attacks - http://www.thereligionofpeace.com...
GenesisCreation's Pwnage of RP - http://www.debate.org...

This analysis is too Hitchens-esque i.e., not based on the supposed truth or falsity of the religion but rather analyzing its social consequences. Religion isn't the same as political philosophy so I'm not sure what arguments like this are supposed to prove exactly.
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9/27/2012 1:52:53 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/27/2012 1:45:17 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 9/27/2012 1:42:24 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
http://www.debate.org...
Derp so hard motherfuckers wanna fine me.

I agree, maybe you should debate GenesisCreation on the subject, but add Christianity to see which is more peaceful under the stipulation that only atheists/agnostics vote, because we dislike both sides equally. And don't really have a bias either way, whereas Christians and Muslims voting would result in VBs all the way.
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9/27/2012 1:53:15 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/27/2012 1:47:09 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
GenesisCreation hit all the major points well.
Sure he did. Sure.

I'm sorry this doesn't agree with your confirmation bias, but Islam has been the most violent and brutal religion in history,
Islam is a religion, a philosophy. It's not an embodiment of people. That's why we distinguish between "Islam" and "Muslim."

and it even continues today like an immature bully.
No it doesn't. It's not an agent, it's a thought.

If you want to actually address some of the issues yourself, I invite you to. When you can address the issues as an adult, we'll discuss, perhaps debate.
I've addressed them in tons of threads, and many debates. The repetition is endless. I repeat only if people care to open their minds, but you obviously don't.

GenesisCreation's Pwnage of RP - http://www.debate.org...
You mean the opposite, eh? GC's arguments are so weak, it's incredible. Look at this example:

"Islam is an Abrahamic religion and confirms that Allah uses violence himself:

1.> The destruction of the human race via a global flood"

The Quran never mentions a global flood (unlike the Bible), but a local one. And I only got that from randomly reading a sentence in the debate. So you better use another debate example Ma'am.
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9/27/2012 1:54:22 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/27/2012 1:52:53 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
At 9/27/2012 1:45:17 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 9/27/2012 1:42:24 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
http://www.debate.org...
Derp so hard motherfuckers wanna fine me.

I agree, maybe you should debate GenesisCreation on the subject, but add Christianity to see which is more peaceful under the stipulation that only atheists/agnostics vote, because we dislike both sides equally. And don't really have a bias either way, whereas Christians and Muslims voting would result in VBs all the way.

That's not necessarily true. I've seen atheists who favour some religions over others and only oppose Islam.
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9/27/2012 1:57:05 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Let's summarize. WSA makes a claim, doesn't want a challenge in the future, wants me to debate someone else (looking forward to it!), and repeats the same babble non-stop. Adios amigos, I flee.
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9/27/2012 1:59:12 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/27/2012 1:50:32 PM, socialpinko wrote:
At 9/27/2012 1:47:09 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
At 9/27/2012 10:17:42 AM, Mirza wrote:
At 9/27/2012 7:27:26 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
the most bloody and brutal religion in the history of humanity, Islam.
Nice, I assume you will accept a debate when a challenge pops up.

GenesisCreation hit all the major points well. I'm sorry this doesn't agree with your confirmation bias, but Islam has been the most violent and brutal religion in history, and it even continues today like an immature bully. If you want to actually address some of the issues yourself, I invite you to. When you can address the issues as an adult, we'll discuss, perhaps debate.

Islamic Religious Violence - http://en.wikipedia.org...
Collection of Islam-inspired terrorist attacks - http://www.thereligionofpeace.com...
GenesisCreation's Pwnage of RP - http://www.debate.org...

This analysis is too Hitchens-esque i.e., not based on the supposed truth or falsity of the religion but rather analyzing its social consequences. Religion isn't the same as political philosophy so I'm not sure what arguments like this are supposed to prove exactly.

Thanks for your criticism. The disagreement is not concerning the verity of this creed, but rather its peacefulness or bellicosity. The debate I posted shows how the textual claims in Islam point toward a religion of war, this condition is exacerbated by the practice in the Qur'an of resolving contradictions by advocating that the Surahs and verses written later supersede those written earlier. The peaceful verses come earlier, and the bellicose verses come later. Do you think a book that advocates the murder of non-Muslims is a peaceful book, or a violent book?
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