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9/28/2012 6:12:50 PM
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I did this about a month or two ago with specifically the historic reliability of the new testament, but now I want to kind of move away from that. I was wondering if people had questions about any specific doctrines I held or anything of that sort. I would rather stay away from the historicity of the new testament just because I did that last time and it gets kind of redundant, but if anyone is genuinely interested in that of course I will try my best to answer questions. I would also like to stay away from the "Why do you believe in God?" question. Simply because that already gets debated a lot and if your that interested in my opinion you can just go read by debates haha. But if that leaves anyone with any questions I would love to hear them and try my best to answer them.
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9/28/2012 6:14:28 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/28/2012 6:12:50 PM, stubs wrote:
I did this about a month or two ago with specifically the historic reliability of the new testament, but now I want to kind of move away from that. I was wondering if people had questions about any specific doctrines I held or anything of that sort. I would rather stay away from the historicity of the new testament just because I did that last time and it gets kind of redundant, but if anyone is genuinely interested in that of course I will try my best to answer questions. I would also like to stay away from the "Why do you believe in God?" question. Simply because that already gets debated a lot and if your that interested in my opinion you can just go read by debates haha. But if that leaves anyone with any questions I would love to hear them and try my best to answer them.

What doctrines do you believe?
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9/28/2012 6:24:47 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/28/2012 6:14:28 PM, AlwaysMoreThanYou wrote:
What doctrines do you believe?

Haha I mean I can't list everything little thing I believe. If you give a specific topic I can tell you what I think the bible supports.
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9/28/2012 6:26:15 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/28/2012 6:24:47 PM, stubs wrote:
At 9/28/2012 6:14:28 PM, AlwaysMoreThanYou wrote:
What doctrines do you believe?

Haha I mean I can't list everything little thing I believe. If you give a specific topic I can tell you what I think the bible supports.

sola scriptura.

Heaven/Purgatory/Hell.

How to obtain salvation.

Hopefully that's not too many?
'When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth; for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.' - John 16:13
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9/28/2012 6:26:48 PM
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Do you think the 5 points of Calvinism are wrong? if so, which ones do you primarliy disagree with?
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9/28/2012 6:33:31 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/28/2012 6:26:15 PM, AlwaysMoreThanYou wrote:

sola scriptura.


I've heard people use this term in different ways. Could you explain exactly what you mean because I do not want to misrepresent you.

Heaven/Purgatory/Hell.


Believe heaven and hell exist. Do not believe in purgatory. I believe hell is eternal (as much as I dislike it. And trust me I dislike it a whole lot.)

How to obtain salvation.


Jesus. Belief (not just head knowledge) in him.

Hopefully that's not too many?
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9/28/2012 6:35:12 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/28/2012 6:26:48 PM, Paradox_7 wrote:
Do you think the 5 points of Calvinism are wrong? if so, which ones do you primarliy disagree with?

Agree with a lot of Calvanism. I do believe in Gods initiating grace open to all though. Like I said in the other thread, not a big debtor in this area.
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9/28/2012 7:35:16 PM
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Do you think that an omnibenevolent God contradicts the idea of eternal hell and if so, how do you respond to this criticism?
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9/28/2012 7:37:33 PM
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At 9/28/2012 7:35:16 PM, socialpinko wrote:
Do you think that an omni-benevolent God contradicts the idea of eternal hell and if so, how do you respond to this criticism?
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9/28/2012 7:42:14 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/28/2012 7:35:16 PM, socialpinko wrote:
Do you think that an omnibenevolent God contradicts the idea of eternal hell and if so, how do you respond to this criticism?

"Free will."
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9/28/2012 7:44:26 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/28/2012 7:42:14 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 9/28/2012 7:35:16 PM, socialpinko wrote:
Do you think that an omnibenevolent God contradicts the idea of eternal hell and if so, how do you respond to this criticism?

"Free will."

I'm not referring to the justification for punishment per se. My post specifically refers to eternal punishment.
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9/28/2012 7:47:11 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/28/2012 7:35:16 PM, socialpinko wrote:
Do you think that an omnibenevolent God contradicts the idea of eternal hell and if so, how do you respond to this criticism?

I don't think there is a contradiction so I'm not sure how to answer that.
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9/28/2012 7:50:33 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/28/2012 7:47:11 PM, stubs wrote:
At 9/28/2012 7:35:16 PM, socialpinko wrote:
Do you think that an omnibenevolent God contradicts the idea of eternal hell and if so, how do you respond to this criticism?

I don't think there is a contradiction so I'm not sure how to answer that.

I was wondering if you didn't think it was a problem, *why* you didn't. the criticism is follows: A just and loving God would want to mitigate pain and suffering as much as possible. There are multiple ways of which it could do this in regards to punishment in the afterlife (i.e., not making it eternal, instead of having suffering simply punishing by non-existence, etc.). Yet, it opts for the most painful form of punishment possible.
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: : At 9/29/2014 9:43:46 AM, kbub wrote:
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9/28/2012 7:52:44 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/28/2012 7:44:26 PM, socialpinko wrote:
At 9/28/2012 7:42:14 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 9/28/2012 7:35:16 PM, socialpinko wrote:
Do you think that an omnibenevolent God contradicts the idea of eternal hell and if so, how do you respond to this criticism?

"Free will."

I'm not referring to the justification for punishment per se. My post specifically refers to eternal punishment.

Hell isn't eternal.
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9/28/2012 7:53:59 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/28/2012 7:50:33 PM, socialpinko wrote:
At 9/28/2012 7:47:11 PM, stubs wrote:
At 9/28/2012 7:35:16 PM, socialpinko wrote:
Do you think that an omnibenevolent God contradicts the idea of eternal hell and if so, how do you respond to this criticism?

I don't think there is a contradiction so I'm not sure how to answer that.

I was wondering if you didn't think it was a problem, *why* you didn't. the criticism is follows: A just and loving God would want to mitigate pain and suffering as much as possible. There are multiple ways of which it could do this in regards to punishment in the afterlife (i.e., not making it eternal, instead of having suffering simply punishing by non-existence, etc.). Yet, it opts for the most painful form of punishment possible.

Presupposition.

Without pain, we'd go extinct.

See: labor.

Also: learning.
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9/28/2012 7:55:56 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/28/2012 7:50:33 PM, socialpinko wrote:
I was wondering if you didn't think it was a problem, *why* you didn't. the criticism is follows: A just and loving God would want to mitigate pain and suffering as much as possible. There are multiple ways of which it could do this in regards to punishment in the afterlife (i.e., not making it eternal, instead of having suffering simply punishing by non-existence, etc.). Yet, it opts for the most painful form of punishment possible.

Okay I think I see what you are saying now. Sorry for the confusion. I think he does want to eliminate pain and suffering, but I also believe he is a just God. I think people, by rejecting God, choose hell. I think the punishment itself is fair because the punishment is the crime. Saying no to God means no God. William Lane Craig said, "By refusing God"s forgiveness they freely separate themselves from God forever. The issue, then, is whether the necessity of making this fundamental decision is too much to ask of a human being."
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9/28/2012 7:58:01 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/28/2012 7:55:56 PM, stubs wrote:
At 9/28/2012 7:50:33 PM, socialpinko wrote:
I was wondering if you didn't think it was a problem, *why* you didn't. the criticism is follows: A just and loving God would want to mitigate pain and suffering as much as possible. There are multiple ways of which it could do this in regards to punishment in the afterlife (i.e., not making it eternal, instead of having suffering simply punishing by non-existence, etc.). Yet, it opts for the most painful form of punishment possible.

Okay I think I see what you are saying now. Sorry for the confusion. I think he does want to eliminate pain and suffering, but I also believe he is a just God. I think people, by rejecting God, choose hell. I think the punishment itself is fair because the punishment is the crime. Saying no to God means no God. William Lane Craig said, "By refusing God"s forgiveness they freely separate themselves from God forever. The issue, then, is whether the necessity of making this fundamental decision is too much to ask of a human being."

Nope.

One must only be righteous.

See: Romans, chapter 2.
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9/28/2012 7:58:24 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/28/2012 7:53:59 PM, Ren wrote:
At 9/28/2012 7:50:33 PM, socialpinko wrote:
At 9/28/2012 7:47:11 PM, stubs wrote:
At 9/28/2012 7:35:16 PM, socialpinko wrote:
Do you think that an omnibenevolent God contradicts the idea of eternal hell and if so, how do you respond to this criticism?

I don't think there is a contradiction so I'm not sure how to answer that.

I was wondering if you didn't think it was a problem, *why* you didn't. the criticism is follows: A just and loving God would want to mitigate pain and suffering as much as possible. There are multiple ways of which it could do this in regards to punishment in the afterlife (i.e., not making it eternal, instead of having suffering simply punishing by non-existence, etc.). Yet, it opts for the most painful form of punishment possible.

Presupposition.

Without pain, we'd go extinct.

See: labor.

Also: learning.

That's why I said as much as possible. But that's not what eternal hell is. Instead, eternal hell opts for the maximum amount. Furthermore, your point only pertains to life, not to an afterlife.
: At 9/29/2014 10:55:59 AM, imabench wrote:
: : At 9/29/2014 9:43:46 AM, kbub wrote:
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9/28/2012 7:58:50 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/28/2012 7:55:56 PM, stubs wrote:
At 9/28/2012 7:50:33 PM, socialpinko wrote:
I was wondering if you didn't think it was a problem, *why* you didn't. the criticism is follows: A just and loving God would want to mitigate pain and suffering as much as possible. There are multiple ways of which it could do this in regards to punishment in the afterlife (i.e., not making it eternal, instead of having suffering simply punishing by non-existence, etc.). Yet, it opts for the most painful form of punishment possible.

Okay I think I see what you are saying now. Sorry for the confusion. I think he does want to eliminate pain and suffering, but I also believe he is a just God. I think people, by rejecting God, choose hell. I think the punishment itself is fair because the punishment is the crime. Saying no to God means no God. William Lane Craig said, "By refusing God"s forgiveness they freely separate themselves from God forever. The issue, then, is whether the necessity of making this fundamental decision is too much to ask of a human being."

At 9/28/2012 7:44:26 PM, socialpinko wrote:
At 9/28/2012 7:42:14 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 9/28/2012 7:35:16 PM, socialpinko wrote:
Do you think that an omnibenevolent God contradicts the idea of eternal hell and if so, how do you respond to this criticism?

"Free will."

I'm not referring to the justification for punishment per se. My post specifically refers to eternal punishment.

Told you. lol
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9/28/2012 7:59:27 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/28/2012 7:52:44 PM, Ren wrote:
At 9/28/2012 7:44:26 PM, socialpinko wrote:
At 9/28/2012 7:42:14 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 9/28/2012 7:35:16 PM, socialpinko wrote:
Do you think that an omnibenevolent God contradicts the idea of eternal hell and if so, how do you respond to this criticism?

"Free will."

I'm not referring to the justification for punishment per se. My post specifically refers to eternal punishment.

Hell isn't eternal.


"And if your hand or your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; it is better for you to enter life crippled or lame, than having two hands or two feet, to be cast into the eternal fire," (Matt. 18:8)

"And these will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power," (2 Thess. 1:9).

"Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example, in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire" (Jude 7).

I've got plenty more..
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9/28/2012 8:00:23 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/28/2012 7:55:56 PM, stubs wrote:
At 9/28/2012 7:50:33 PM, socialpinko wrote:
I was wondering if you didn't think it was a problem, *why* you didn't. the criticism is follows: A just and loving God would want to mitigate pain and suffering as much as possible. There are multiple ways of which it could do this in regards to punishment in the afterlife (i.e., not making it eternal, instead of having suffering simply punishing by non-existence, etc.). Yet, it opts for the most painful form of punishment possible.

Okay I think I see what you are saying now. Sorry for the confusion. I think he does want to eliminate pain and suffering, but I also believe he is a just God. I think people, by rejecting God, choose hell.

I don't remember choosing to go to hell.

I think the punishment itself is fair because the punishment is the crime. Saying no to God means no God. William Lane Craig said, "By refusing God"s forgiveness they freely separate themselves from God forever. The issue, then, is whether the necessity of making this fundamental decision is too much to ask of a human being."

I'm wondering what caused there to only be two possible options. It's either eternal bliss or eternal suffering. You're acting as if God couldn't have possibly created intermediate options.
: At 9/29/2014 10:55:59 AM, imabench wrote:
: : At 9/29/2014 9:43:46 AM, kbub wrote:
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9/28/2012 8:00:52 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/28/2012 7:52:44 PM, Ren wrote:
At 9/28/2012 7:44:26 PM, socialpinko wrote:
At 9/28/2012 7:42:14 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 9/28/2012 7:35:16 PM, socialpinko wrote:
Do you think that an omnibenevolent God contradicts the idea of eternal hell and if so, how do you respond to this criticism?

"Free will."

I'm not referring to the justification for punishment per se. My post specifically refers to eternal punishment.

Hell isn't eternal.

The OP seems to believe so. How long do you conceive hell to be?
: At 9/29/2014 10:55:59 AM, imabench wrote:
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9/28/2012 8:02:13 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/28/2012 7:58:24 PM, socialpinko wrote:
At 9/28/2012 7:53:59 PM, Ren wrote:
At 9/28/2012 7:50:33 PM, socialpinko wrote:
At 9/28/2012 7:47:11 PM, stubs wrote:
At 9/28/2012 7:35:16 PM, socialpinko wrote:
Do you think that an omnibenevolent God contradicts the idea of eternal hell and if so, how do you respond to this criticism?

I don't think there is a contradiction so I'm not sure how to answer that.

I was wondering if you didn't think it was a problem, *why* you didn't. the criticism is follows: A just and loving God would want to mitigate pain and suffering as much as possible. There are multiple ways of which it could do this in regards to punishment in the afterlife (i.e., not making it eternal, instead of having suffering simply punishing by non-existence, etc.). Yet, it opts for the most painful form of punishment possible.

Presupposition.

Without pain, we'd go extinct.

See: labor.

Also: learning.

That's why I said as much as possible. But that's not what eternal hell is. Instead, eternal hell opts for the maximum amount. Furthermore, your point only pertains to life, not to an afterlife.

Hell.

Isn't eternal.

"The LORD preserveth all them that love him: but all the wicked will he destroy." Psalms 145:20.

"Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die." Ezekiel 18:4.

"All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more." Ezekiel 28:19.

I can go on.
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9/28/2012 8:02:31 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/28/2012 7:58:01 PM, Ren wrote:
At 9/28/2012 7:55:56 PM, stubs wrote:
At 9/28/2012 7:50:33 PM, socialpinko wrote:
I was wondering if you didn't think it was a problem, *why* you didn't. the criticism is follows: A just and loving God would want to mitigate pain and suffering as much as possible. There are multiple ways of which it could do this in regards to punishment in the afterlife (i.e., not making it eternal, instead of having suffering simply punishing by non-existence, etc.). Yet, it opts for the most painful form of punishment possible.

Okay I think I see what you are saying now. Sorry for the confusion. I think he does want to eliminate pain and suffering, but I also believe he is a just God. I think people, by rejecting God, choose hell. I think the punishment itself is fair because the punishment is the crime. Saying no to God means no God. William Lane Craig said, "By refusing God"s forgiveness they freely separate themselves from God forever. The issue, then, is whether the necessity of making this fundamental decision is too much to ask of a human being."

Nope.

One must only be righteous.

See: Romans, chapter 2.


No one is righteous

See: Romans, Chapter 3.
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9/28/2012 8:03:06 PM
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At 9/28/2012 8:00:23 PM, socialpinko wrote:

I don't remember choosing to go to hell.

It's implicit. Like dying when you don't eat. You didn't eat, not chose to die. But, it happens anyway.
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9/28/2012 8:05:06 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/28/2012 8:02:13 PM, Ren wrote:
At 9/28/2012 7:58:24 PM, socialpinko wrote:

That's why I said as much as possible. But that's not what eternal hell is. Instead, eternal hell opts for the maximum amount. Furthermore, your point only pertains to life, not to an afterlife.

Hell.

Isn't eternal.

"The LORD preserveth all them that love him: but all the wicked will he destroy." Psalms 145:20.

"Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die." Ezekiel 18:4.

"All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more." Ezekiel 28:19.

I can go on.

If I'm not mistaken, your theology posits Heaven for righteous people and simply no afterlife for non-virtuous? In that case I wouldn't think it contradicts an omni-benevolent God so I'll just redirect my contention to the OP.
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9/28/2012 8:05:11 PM
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At 9/28/2012 8:02:31 PM, Paradox_7 wrote:
At 9/28/2012 7:58:01 PM, Ren wrote:
At 9/28/2012 7:55:56 PM, stubs wrote:
At 9/28/2012 7:50:33 PM, socialpinko wrote:
I was wondering if you didn't think it was a problem, *why* you didn't. the criticism is follows: A just and loving God would want to mitigate pain and suffering as much as possible. There are multiple ways of which it could do this in regards to punishment in the afterlife (i.e., not making it eternal, instead of having suffering simply punishing by non-existence, etc.). Yet, it opts for the most painful form of punishment possible.

Okay I think I see what you are saying now. Sorry for the confusion. I think he does want to eliminate pain and suffering, but I also believe he is a just God. I think people, by rejecting God, choose hell. I think the punishment itself is fair because the punishment is the crime. Saying no to God means no God. William Lane Craig said, "By refusing God"s forgiveness they freely separate themselves from God forever. The issue, then, is whether the necessity of making this fundamental decision is too much to ask of a human being."

Nope.

One must only be righteous.

See: Romans, chapter 2.


No one is righteous

See: Romans, Chapter 3.

Righteous to the best of our capacities. See Romans chapter 2, 3; it's all in your approach (and, this is really in relation to hypocrisy).
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9/28/2012 8:06:30 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/28/2012 8:00:23 PM, socialpinko wrote:
At 9/28/2012 7:55:56 PM, stubs wrote:
At 9/28/2012 7:50:33 PM, socialpinko wrote:
I was wondering if you didn't think it was a problem, *why* you didn't. the criticism is follows: A just and loving God would want to mitigate pain and suffering as much as possible. There are multiple ways of which it could do this in regards to punishment in the afterlife (i.e., not making it eternal, instead of having suffering simply punishing by non-existence, etc.). Yet, it opts for the most painful form of punishment possible.

Okay I think I see what you are saying now. Sorry for the confusion. I think he does want to eliminate pain and suffering, but I also believe he is a just God. I think people, by rejecting God, choose hell.

I don't remember choosing to go to hell.

If you deny God, you choose to be without him. If he is not present, then there is hell.


I think the punishment itself is fair because the punishment is the crime. Saying no to God means no God. William Lane Craig said, "By refusing God"s forgiveness they freely separate themselves from God forever. The issue, then, is whether the necessity of making this fundamental decision is too much to ask of a human being."

I'm wondering what caused there to only be two possible options. It's either eternal bliss or eternal suffering. You're acting as if God couldn't have possibly created intermediate options.

God could have made a ton of the other options. He could have made us all with super-powers. No one is saying that God couldn't have created other options, we are saying that God says these are the only options.
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9/28/2012 8:12:21 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 9/28/2012 8:03:06 PM, Ren wrote:
At 9/28/2012 8:00:23 PM, socialpinko wrote:

I don't remember choosing to go to hell.

It's implicit. Like dying when you don't eat. You didn't eat, not chose to die. But, it happens anyway.

You're ignoring epistemic limitations which are necessary for choice to exist. A baby doesn't choose to fall off a building just because it's actions have a causal relation to the effects because it doesn't know that it's actions cause it to fall. You have to know that what you do will have such and such cause for the cause in question to really be brought about by a choice. As applied to hell and more specifically to those punished for non-belief, atheists and non-Christians obviously can't be said to choose to go to hell because they don't know that God *actually* exists and that their actions *actually* will cause them to go to hell.
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9/28/2012 8:13:11 PM
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It's amazing how difficult it is for Christians themselves to agree on any one Interpretation of the Bible. Those authors should have added clarity into the Bible.
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