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inferno
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10/2/2012 9:46:29 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Abortion under any normal circumstances is considered to be a sin. But what do you think about this passage here in the Bible that talks about an induced form
of abortion. Read this very carefully and let me know what you think.

http://www.politicususa.com...
inferno
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10/2/2012 9:55:09 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/2/2012 9:53:19 AM, Koopin wrote:
This verse does not talk about pregnant women. Next question.

Yes, it does. But dont worry, there is more. Wait just one minute.............
Koopin
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10/2/2012 9:56:56 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/2/2012 9:55:09 AM, inferno wrote:
At 10/2/2012 9:53:19 AM, Koopin wrote:
This verse does not talk about pregnant women. Next question.

Yes, it does. But dont worry, there is more. Wait just one minute.............

No it does not. Please stop using the NIV that adds words to the bible. Use the origanal hebrew or old king james.
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10/2/2012 9:57:59 AM
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In no other translation I could be bothered to look at (include the New American Bible, the Douay-Rheims Bible, the RSV-2CE Bible, and even the King James Bible) does it say "miscarry".
'When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth; for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.' - John 16:13
Koopin
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10/2/2012 9:59:40 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/2/2012 9:57:59 AM, AlwaysMoreThanYou wrote:
In no other translation I could be bothered to look at (include the New American Bible, the Douay-Rheims Bible, the RSV-2CE Bible, and even the King James Bible) does it say "miscarry".

I hate the NIV almost as much as "The Message" bible. So many horrible translations. However, so many people read it and come up with pointless arguments based of it.
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10/2/2012 10:05:39 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/2/2012 9:59:40 AM, Koopin wrote:
At 10/2/2012 9:57:59 AM, AlwaysMoreThanYou wrote:
In no other translation I could be bothered to look at (include the New American Bible, the Douay-Rheims Bible, the RSV-2CE Bible, and even the King James Bible) does it say "miscarry".

I hate the NIV almost as much as "The Message" bible. So many horrible translations. However, so many people read it and come up with pointless arguments based of it.

I find myself vaguely enraged that the NIV seems to becoming the most popular English Bible.

http://www.cbaonline.org...
'When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth; for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.' - John 16:13
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10/2/2012 10:48:12 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/2/2012 9:53:19 AM, Koopin wrote:
This verse does not talk about pregnant women. Next question.

This site seems to have some very direct answers about life concerning abortion.

http://answers.yahoo.com...
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10/2/2012 12:32:58 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/2/2012 10:48:12 AM, inferno wrote:
At 10/2/2012 9:53:19 AM, Koopin wrote:
This verse does not talk about pregnant women. Next question.

This site seems to have some very direct answers about life concerning abortion.

http://answers.yahoo.com...

lol, you use Yahoo answers as a source....
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inferno
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10/2/2012 12:52:59 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/2/2012 12:32:58 PM, Koopin wrote:
At 10/2/2012 10:48:12 AM, inferno wrote:
At 10/2/2012 9:53:19 AM, Koopin wrote:
This verse does not talk about pregnant women. Next question.

This site seems to have some very direct answers about life concerning abortion.

http://answers.yahoo.com...

lol, you use Yahoo answers as a source....

Yes. The Bible verses there are accurate and straight to the point. Perhaps you are not familliar with the Bible. =)
medic0506
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10/4/2012 8:24:17 PM
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Numbers 5 is a description of a jealousy test. Put simply, it just says that if a man suspects his wife has been unfaithful then he can take her to the priest who can perform a test, and have her drink the bitter water. If she has been unfaithful, then she'll be unable to bear children, if faithful then she'll be able to conceive. I don't see anything that remotely resembles a killing of a baby, in this chapter.
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10/4/2012 8:25:20 PM
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At 10/4/2012 8:24:17 PM, medic0506 wrote:
Numbers 5 is a description of a jealousy test. Put simply, it just says that if a man suspects his wife has been unfaithful then he can take her to the priest who can perform a test, and have her drink the bitter water. If she has been unfaithful, then she'll be unable to bear children, if faithful then she'll be able to conceive. I don't see anything that remotely resembles a killing of a baby, in this chapter.

If she is carrying a child, it dies.
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10/4/2012 8:50:39 PM
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At 10/4/2012 8:25:20 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 10/4/2012 8:24:17 PM, medic0506 wrote:
Numbers 5 is a description of a jealousy test. Put simply, it just says that if a man suspects his wife has been unfaithful then he can take her to the priest who can perform a test, and have her drink the bitter water. If she has been unfaithful, then she'll be unable to bear children, if faithful then she'll be able to conceive. I don't see anything that remotely resembles a killing of a baby, in this chapter.

If she is carrying a child, it dies.

And we know this...because.....?
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10/4/2012 8:57:50 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/4/2012 8:50:39 PM, OberHerr wrote:
At 10/4/2012 8:25:20 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 10/4/2012 8:24:17 PM, medic0506 wrote:
Numbers 5 is a description of a jealousy test. Put simply, it just says that if a man suspects his wife has been unfaithful then he can take her to the priest who can perform a test, and have her drink the bitter water. If she has been unfaithful, then she'll be unable to bear children, if faithful then she'll be able to conceive. I don't see anything that remotely resembles a killing of a baby, in this chapter.

If she is carrying a child, it dies.

And we know this...because.....?

1. Read about the Trial of Bitter Water/Sotah

2. Read the passage in the Bible. How difficult is this to do?
medic0506
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10/4/2012 9:27:29 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/4/2012 8:25:20 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 10/4/2012 8:24:17 PM, medic0506 wrote:
Numbers 5 is a description of a jealousy test. Put simply, it just says that if a man suspects his wife has been unfaithful then he can take her to the priest who can perform a test, and have her drink the bitter water. If she has been unfaithful, then she'll be unable to bear children, if faithful then she'll be able to conceive. I don't see anything that remotely resembles a killing of a baby, in this chapter.

If she is carrying a child, it dies.

To have that support what the article wants it to support, requires an assumption that the woman has already been allowed to conceive and be with child. There is no support for that. There is no support for the fact that God actually granted the curse and killed an unborn child. This would need to be shown, and if it could be would actually support God's existence. Barley, water, and a sprinkle of dust would not be a toxic mixture.
jat93
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10/4/2012 9:38:52 PM
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It's my understanding that when the woman performs the test, if she is pregnant, the baby dies if she has been unfaithful. Regardless, I would say it's important to take into account how many fetuses/babies God personally killed when he flooded the earth and destroyed nearly all humans, when he engineered and oversaw the Israelite conquest of the lands of Canaan, and when he murdered all the first born males in Ancient Egypt. Don't forget the random plagues (generally with casualties in the thousands, at least) that God would periodically send upon the Jews in fits of jealous rage and childish insecurity. As it turns out, Yahweh is one of the least "pro-life" characters in all of fiction.
inferno
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10/5/2012 10:42:33 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/4/2012 9:38:52 PM, jat93 wrote:
It's my understanding that when the woman performs the test, if she is pregnant, the baby dies if she has been unfaithful. Regardless, I would say it's important to take into account how many fetuses/babies God personally killed when he flooded the earth and destroyed nearly all humans, when he engineered and oversaw the Israelite conquest of the lands of Canaan, and when he murdered all the first born males in Ancient Egypt. Don't forget the random plagues (generally with casualties in the thousands, at least) that God would periodically send upon the Jews in fits of jealous rage and childish insecurity. As it turns out, Yahweh is one of the least "pro-life" characters in all of fiction.

Interesting summary here. I do believe that abortion within itself is wrong because you are purposely destroying the life of an innocent human being based on superficality. If you have sex, then you are responsible enough to deal with the responsibilities of having a child.