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Magicr
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10/2/2012 8:09:08 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
A discussion in another thread has prompted me to create a thread of its own for this question for theists:

Why do you consider Christianity or Islam or Mormonism or something else to be the route to eternal happiness rather than Mormonism or Islam or Christianity or something else?
Lordknukle
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10/2/2012 9:28:56 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/2/2012 8:11:02 PM, Mystical wrote:
(*cough*Indoctrination*cough*)

Nah. Tis geography.
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10/2/2012 9:39:53 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Makes more sense. And, LK, geography affects EVERY part of our lives. That being said, it does not rule.
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THEBOMB
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10/2/2012 9:41:24 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/2/2012 8:09:08 PM, Magicr wrote:
A discussion in another thread has prompted me to create a thread of its own for this question for theists:

Why do you consider Christianity or Islam or Mormonism or something else to be the route to eternal joy rather than Mormonism or Islam or Christianity or something else?

fix'd

And I don't consider anything a route to anywhere :)
philochristos
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10/2/2012 10:32:58 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Why do you consider Christianity or Islam or Mormonism or something else to be the route to eternal happiness rather than Mormonism or Islam or Christianity or something else?

I have a bias toward Christianity since it's what I grew up around. What Christianity has going for it, though, that the others don't is good historical reasons to think it's true. There is nothing in any of the other monotheistic religions comparable to the evidence for the resurrection of Jesus. Mormonism is demonstrably false, and some of the typical theistic arguments for God are actually incompatible with Mormon theology. Islam has problems because it attempt to claim continuity with Judaism and Christianity but ends up contradicting them in various ways, which makes Islam a self-refuting religion.
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10/2/2012 10:39:24 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/2/2012 10:32:58 PM, philochristos wrote:
Why do you consider Christianity or Islam or Mormonism or something else to be the route to eternal happiness rather than Mormonism or Islam or Christianity or something else?


What Christianity has going for it, though, that the others don't is good historical reasons to think it's true.
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10/3/2012 5:39:40 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
This will probably make someone's wall of fail, but...

"Personal experience with the spirit of truth."

No, I'm not on medication and yes, I realize it sounds foolish.

For the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men. 1Corinthians 1:25 (ESV)
Um....You've got a log in your eye.
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joneszj
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10/3/2012 5:41:39 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/2/2012 10:32:58 PM, philochristos wrote:
Why do you consider Christianity or Islam or Mormonism or something else to be the route to eternal happiness rather than Mormonism or Islam or Christianity or something else?


I have a bias toward Christianity since it's what I grew up around. What Christianity has going for it, though, that the others don't is good historical reasons to think it's true. There is nothing in any of the other monotheistic religions comparable to the evidence for the resurrection of Jesus. Mormonism is demonstrably false, and some of the typical theistic arguments for God are actually incompatible with Mormon theology. Islam has problems because it attempt to claim continuity with Judaism and Christianity but ends up contradicting them in various ways, which makes Islam a self-refuting religion.

Ouch..... Lock your doors ><
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10/3/2012 6:25:57 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Because it's true.
: At 10/23/2012 8:06:03 PM, tvellalott wrote:
: Don't be. The Catholic Church is ran by Darth Sidius for fvck sake. As far as I'm concerned, you're a bona fide member of the Sith.
Magicr
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10/3/2012 6:47:53 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/3/2012 6:20:53 PM, stubs wrote:
The historical evidence for the life, death, and resurrection of the historical figure Jesus Christ

While I would agree that a certain Jesus of Nazareth did exist, I am curious as to evidence concerning the specifics of the life of Jesus as well as the evidence for the resurrection.
Mystical
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10/3/2012 7:09:27 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/3/2012 6:25:57 PM, Paradox_7 wrote:
Because it's true.

Can you provide valid evidence that your specific religion is, overally, true?

Please don't try to simply argue that historical events happen to make that religion. That argument is a tiresome; it's full of bullsh!t for theists to try and to gain the upperhand, yet they fail to realize they completely undermine that goal.
Paradox_7
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10/3/2012 7:39:17 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/3/2012 7:09:27 PM, Mystical wrote:
At 10/3/2012 6:25:57 PM, Paradox_7 wrote:
Because it's true.

Can you provide valid evidence that your specific religion is, overally, true?

Undeniable evidence? no.
: At 10/23/2012 8:06:03 PM, tvellalott wrote:
: Don't be. The Catholic Church is ran by Darth Sidius for fvck sake. As far as I'm concerned, you're a bona fide member of the Sith.
Lordknukle
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10/3/2012 7:40:50 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Ironic thing is that "atheists" are only 0.03% more atheistic than "theists." After all, to believe in one God, you have to reject all of the other Gods, which total about 2 700.
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Lordknukle
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10/3/2012 7:42:06 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Ironic thing is that "atheists" are only 0.03% more atheistic than "theists." After all, to believe in one God, you have to reject all of the other Gods, which total about 2 700.

Then again, since there is no objective definition of what a God is:

ALL MUST BOW TO ZATHULYARIY. IF THOU SHALL NOT, THEN HE SEND YOU TO HELL.

2 701
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stubs
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10/3/2012 7:48:06 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/3/2012 6:47:53 PM, Magicr wrote:
At 10/3/2012 6:20:53 PM, stubs wrote:
The historical evidence for the life, death, and resurrection of the historical figure Jesus Christ

While I would agree that a certain Jesus of Nazareth did exist, I am curious as to evidence concerning the specifics of the life of Jesus as well as the evidence for the resurrection.

5 Independent sources all within the first century. I mean I don't know how in depth with it you want me to go in a forum haha. But any specific questions you have I would love to try and answer them.
stubs
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10/3/2012 7:49:31 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/3/2012 7:40:50 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Ironic thing is that "atheists" are only 0.03% more atheistic than "theists." After all, to believe in one God, you have to reject all of the other Gods, which total about 2 700.

Is this just a rewording of the quote "everyones an atheist, I just disbelieve in one more god than you." or something to that extent?
Lordknukle
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10/3/2012 7:50:16 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/3/2012 7:49:31 PM, stubs wrote:
At 10/3/2012 7:40:50 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Ironic thing is that "atheists" are only 0.03% more atheistic than "theists." After all, to believe in one God, you have to reject all of the other Gods, which total about 2 700.

Is this just a rewording of the quote "everyones an atheist, I just disbelieve in one more god than you." or something to that extent?

Yeah.
"Easy is the descent to Avernus, for the door to the Underworld lies upon both day and night. But to retrace your steps and return to the breezes above- that's the task, that's the toil."
Paradox_7
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10/3/2012 8:44:49 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/3/2012 7:40:50 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Ironic thing is that "atheists" are only 0.03% more atheistic than "theists." After all, to believe in one God, you have to reject all of the other Gods, which total about 2 700.


In order for one to be an Atheist, they can't believe in (any) God.

If I belive in any God, I am a theist; if I don't belive in every God, I'm still a theist.
: At 10/23/2012 8:06:03 PM, tvellalott wrote:
: Don't be. The Catholic Church is ran by Darth Sidius for fvck sake. As far as I'm concerned, you're a bona fide member of the Sith.
stubs
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10/3/2012 8:52:41 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/3/2012 7:50:16 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 10/3/2012 7:49:31 PM, stubs wrote:
At 10/3/2012 7:40:50 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Ironic thing is that "atheists" are only 0.03% more atheistic than "theists." After all, to believe in one God, you have to reject all of the other Gods, which total about 2 700.

Is this just a rewording of the quote "everyones an atheist, I just disbelieve in one more god than you." or something to that extent?

Yeah.

To be an atheist you have to believe the statement "God exists." expresses a false proposition. I believe that statement is true. Therefore I am 0% an atheist.
Lordknukle
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10/3/2012 9:14:40 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/3/2012 8:44:49 PM, Paradox_7 wrote:
At 10/3/2012 7:40:50 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Ironic thing is that "atheists" are only 0.03% more atheistic than "theists." After all, to believe in one God, you have to reject all of the other Gods, which total about 2 700.


In order for one to be an Atheist, they can't believe in (any) God.

If I belive in any God, I am a theist; if I don't belive in every God, I'm still a theist.

Yes, but the mathematical difference between you and me is 0.03%. You're still a theist, but your position is mathematically negligible.
"Easy is the descent to Avernus, for the door to the Underworld lies upon both day and night. But to retrace your steps and return to the breezes above- that's the task, that's the toil."
Lordknukle
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10/3/2012 9:15:33 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/3/2012 8:52:41 PM, stubs wrote:
At 10/3/2012 7:50:16 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 10/3/2012 7:49:31 PM, stubs wrote:
At 10/3/2012 7:40:50 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Ironic thing is that "atheists" are only 0.03% more atheistic than "theists." After all, to believe in one God, you have to reject all of the other Gods, which total about 2 700.

Is this just a rewording of the quote "everyones an atheist, I just disbelieve in one more god than you." or something to that extent?

Yeah.

To be an atheist you have to believe the statement "God exists." expresses a false proposition. I believe that statement is true. Therefore I am 0% an atheist.

Right now, you are, because you haven't defined the God. Once you associate yourself with a specific religion or God, then your theistic level drops 99.97%.
"Easy is the descent to Avernus, for the door to the Underworld lies upon both day and night. But to retrace your steps and return to the breezes above- that's the task, that's the toil."
stubs
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10/3/2012 9:16:26 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/3/2012 9:14:40 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 10/3/2012 8:44:49 PM, Paradox_7 wrote:
At 10/3/2012 7:40:50 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Ironic thing is that "atheists" are only 0.03% more atheistic than "theists." After all, to believe in one God, you have to reject all of the other Gods, which total about 2 700.


In order for one to be an Atheist, they can't believe in (any) God.

If I belive in any God, I am a theist; if I don't belive in every God, I'm still a theist.

Yes, but the mathematical difference between you and me is 0.03%. You're still a theist, but your position is mathematically negligible.

But since I am not an atheist by any means, (Because you have to believe the statement "God exists." expresses a false proposition to be an atheist) and you are. You are 100% more an atheist than me.
Lordknukle
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10/3/2012 9:19:08 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/3/2012 9:16:26 PM, stubs wrote:
At 10/3/2012 9:14:40 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 10/3/2012 8:44:49 PM, Paradox_7 wrote:
At 10/3/2012 7:40:50 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Ironic thing is that "atheists" are only 0.03% more atheistic than "theists." After all, to believe in one God, you have to reject all of the other Gods, which total about 2 700.


In order for one to be an Atheist, they can't believe in (any) God.

If I belive in any God, I am a theist; if I don't belive in every God, I'm still a theist.

Yes, but the mathematical difference between you and me is 0.03%. You're still a theist, but your position is mathematically negligible.

But since I am not an atheist by any means, (Because you have to believe the statement "God exists." expresses a false proposition to be an atheist) and you are. You are 100% more an atheist than me.

I addressed this. Assuming you believe in some kind of arbitrary unnamed, undefined, property-less deity, and I believe in none, then you are 100% more theistic than me. The mathematics of the 0.03% come when you narrow down to a religion and/or God.
"Easy is the descent to Avernus, for the door to the Underworld lies upon both day and night. But to retrace your steps and return to the breezes above- that's the task, that's the toil."
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10/3/2012 9:31:05 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/3/2012 5:39:40 PM, GenesisCreation wrote:
This will probably make someone's wall of fail, but...

"Personal experience with the spirit of truth."

No, I'm not on medication and yes, I realize it sounds foolish.

For the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men. 1Corinthians 1:25 (ESV)

Same reason here....

Relationship with Truth is my religion.
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10/3/2012 9:33:15 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/3/2012 9:19:08 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 10/3/2012 9:16:26 PM, stubs wrote:
At 10/3/2012 9:14:40 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 10/3/2012 8:44:49 PM, Paradox_7 wrote:
At 10/3/2012 7:40:50 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Ironic thing is that "atheists" are only 0.03% more atheistic than "theists." After all, to believe in one God, you have to reject all of the other Gods, which total about 2 700.


In order for one to be an Atheist, they can't believe in (any) God.

If I belive in any God, I am a theist; if I don't belive in every God, I'm still a theist.

Yes, but the mathematical difference between you and me is 0.03%. You're still a theist, but your position is mathematically negligible.

But since I am not an atheist by any means, (Because you have to believe the statement "God exists." expresses a false proposition to be an atheist) and you are. You are 100% more an atheist than me.

I addressed this. Assuming you believe in some kind of arbitrary unnamed, undefined, property-less deity, and I believe in none, then you are 100% more theistic than me. The mathematics of the 0.03% come when you narrow down to a religion and/or God.

So are you an asymptopian?
Lordknukle
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10/3/2012 9:37:02 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/3/2012 9:33:15 PM, Archistrategos wrote:
At 10/3/2012 9:19:08 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 10/3/2012 9:16:26 PM, stubs wrote:
At 10/3/2012 9:14:40 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
At 10/3/2012 8:44:49 PM, Paradox_7 wrote:
At 10/3/2012 7:40:50 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
Ironic thing is that "atheists" are only 0.03% more atheistic than "theists." After all, to believe in one God, you have to reject all of the other Gods, which total about 2 700.


In order for one to be an Atheist, they can't believe in (any) God.

If I belive in any God, I am a theist; if I don't belive in every God, I'm still a theist.

Yes, but the mathematical difference between you and me is 0.03%. You're still a theist, but your position is mathematically negligible.

But since I am not an atheist by any means, (Because you have to believe the statement "God exists." expresses a false proposition to be an atheist) and you are. You are 100% more an atheist than me.

I addressed this. Assuming you believe in some kind of arbitrary unnamed, undefined, property-less deity, and I believe in none, then you are 100% more theistic than me. The mathematics of the 0.03% come when you narrow down to a religion and/or God.

So are you an asymptopian?

Stop making words up.
"Easy is the descent to Avernus, for the door to the Underworld lies upon both day and night. But to retrace your steps and return to the breezes above- that's the task, that's the toil."
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10/3/2012 9:40:40 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/3/2012 9:19:08 PM, Lordknukle wrote:
I addressed this. Assuming you believe in some kind of arbitrary unnamed, undefined, property-less deity, and I believe in none, then you are 100% more theistic than me. The mathematics of the 0.03% come when you narrow down to a religion and/or God.

If I believe in the Christian God I am 100% theistic. To be an atheist at all you have to hold the opinion that the sentence "God exists" expresses a false proposition. I do not believe that. Just because you don't believe in other gods does not make you an atheist at all.