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10/14/2012 1:05:04 PM
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...the bible mentions that were other peoples, it's not that hard of a question.
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10/14/2012 1:05:35 PM
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Back then people were genetically pure and lived to be 800-1000 years old. Make an inference.
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10/14/2012 1:07:47 PM
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At 10/14/2012 1:05:04 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
...the bible mentions that were other peoples, it's not that hard of a question.

At what point in the Bible? And from where did these people come?
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10/14/2012 1:11:56 PM
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At 10/14/2012 1:07:47 PM, Magicr wrote:
At 10/14/2012 1:05:04 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
...the bible mentions that were other peoples, it's not that hard of a question.

At what point in the Bible? And from where did these people come?

When the priest said that Adam and Eve decided not to follow God, I feel like he was hinting to incest. It doesn't require critical thinking, he just didn't want to admit it.
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10/14/2012 1:19:14 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/14/2012 1:07:47 PM, Magicr wrote:
At 10/14/2012 1:05:04 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
...the bible mentions that were other peoples, it's not that hard of a question.

At what point in the Bible? And from where did these people come?

"13 Cain said to the Lord, "My punishment is more than I can bear. 14 Today you are driving me from the land, and I will be hidden from your presence; I will be a restless wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me."

15 But the Lord said to him, "Not so[a]; anyone who kills Cain will suffer vengeance seven times over." Then the Lord put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him. 16 So Cain went out from the Lord"s presence and lived in the land of Nod,[b] east of Eden."

And, I don't know, probably the same process that all other people come from.
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10/14/2012 1:20:55 PM
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That could just be referring to a population to come
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10/14/2012 1:21:25 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
There's only one answer. If God created two to start, then the process was by incest. What's the problem?
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The moralist is the person who tells people that they ought to be unselfish, when they still feel like egos, and his efforts are always and invariably futile.
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10/14/2012 1:26:49 PM
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At 10/14/2012 1:20:55 PM, CrazyPerson wrote:
That could just be referring to a population to come

It's not, though.
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10/14/2012 1:31:51 PM
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At 10/14/2012 1:19:14 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 10/14/2012 1:07:47 PM, Magicr wrote:
At 10/14/2012 1:05:04 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
...the bible mentions that were other peoples, it's not that hard of a question.

At what point in the Bible? And from where did these people come?

"13 Cain said to the Lord, "My punishment is more than I can bear. 14 Today you are driving me from the land, and I will be hidden from your presence; I will be a restless wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me."

15 But the Lord said to him, "Not so[a]; anyone who kills Cain will suffer vengeance seven times over." Then the Lord put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him. 16 So Cain went out from the Lord"s presence and lived in the land of Nod,[b] east of Eden."

And, I don't know, probably the same process that all other people come from.

So is it fallacious to say that we are all descended from Adam and Eve as some would claim?
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10/14/2012 1:43:11 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/14/2012 1:31:51 PM, Magicr wrote:
At 10/14/2012 1:19:14 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 10/14/2012 1:07:47 PM, Magicr wrote:
At 10/14/2012 1:05:04 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
...the bible mentions that were other peoples, it's not that hard of a question.

At what point in the Bible? And from where did these people come?

"13 Cain said to the Lord, "My punishment is more than I can bear. 14 Today you are driving me from the land, and I will be hidden from your presence; I will be a restless wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me."

15 But the Lord said to him, "Not so[a]; anyone who kills Cain will suffer vengeance seven times over." Then the Lord put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him. 16 So Cain went out from the Lord"s presence and lived in the land of Nod,[b] east of Eden."

And, I don't know, probably the same process that all other people come from.

So is it fallacious to say that we are all descended from Adam and Eve as some would claim?

Yes, I think it would be.
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10/14/2012 1:47:09 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/14/2012 1:43:11 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 10/14/2012 1:31:51 PM, Magicr wrote:
At 10/14/2012 1:19:14 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 10/14/2012 1:07:47 PM, Magicr wrote:
At 10/14/2012 1:05:04 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
...the bible mentions that were other peoples, it's not that hard of a question.

At what point in the Bible? And from where did these people come?

"13 Cain said to the Lord, "My punishment is more than I can bear. 14 Today you are driving me from the land, and I will be hidden from your presence; I will be a restless wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me."

15 But the Lord said to him, "Not so[a]; anyone who kills Cain will suffer vengeance seven times over." Then the Lord put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him. 16 So Cain went out from the Lord"s presence and lived in the land of Nod,[b] east of Eden."

And, I don't know, probably the same process that all other people come from.

So is it fallacious to say that we are all descended from Adam and Eve as some would claim?

Yes, I think it would be.

Especially if you believe in evolution. Just wouldn't seem likely.
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10/14/2012 1:50:09 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/14/2012 1:05:35 PM, CrazyPerson wrote:
Back then people were genetically pure and lived to be 800-1000 years old. Make an inference.

No, they didn't live to be that old. Fossils dug of ancient humans indicate that they had much shorter lifespans than we do now (they didn't have the medical care, dentistry, quality of food ect.)... To say they used to live to be 800 - 1000 years old is outrageous, and science debunks it.
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10/14/2012 2:03:49 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
It actually surprises me that he didn't bring that up. That was the first, obvious thing that sprung to my mind within about 3 seconds, and presumably, him being a priest, he'd have a much larger expanse of biblical knowledge than I.
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10/14/2012 2:15:29 PM
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At 10/14/2012 1:26:49 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 10/14/2012 1:20:55 PM, CrazyPerson wrote:
That could just be referring to a population to come

It's not, though.

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10/14/2012 2:20:24 PM
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At 10/14/2012 1:50:09 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 10/14/2012 1:05:35 PM, CrazyPerson wrote:
Back then people were genetically pure and lived to be 800-1000 years old. Make an inference.

No, they didn't live to be that old. Fossils dug of ancient humans indicate that they had much shorter lifespans than we do now (they didn't have the medical care, dentistry, quality of food ect.)... To say they used to live to be 800 - 1000 years old is outrageous, and science debunks it.

I'm not using science to conclude this. I'm using the bible.
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- - - Watts
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10/14/2012 2:34:42 PM
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At 10/14/2012 1:05:35 PM, CrazyPerson wrote:
Back then people were genetically pure and lived to be 800-1000 years old. Make an inference.

And why is it that we live a fraction of that now? And do you have any evidence for this?
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10/14/2012 2:36:05 PM
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At 10/14/2012 2:34:42 PM, muzebreak wrote:
At 10/14/2012 1:05:35 PM, CrazyPerson wrote:
Back then people were genetically pure and lived to be 800-1000 years old. Make an inference.

And why is it that we live a fraction of that now? And do you have any evidence for this?

NO i'm taking this theory from the bible. I'm not saying it's scientifically true!
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10/14/2012 2:39:07 PM
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At 10/14/2012 2:21:11 PM, Magicr wrote:
What about Genesis 3:20?

"Adam named his wife Eve, because she would become the mother of all the living."

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10/14/2012 2:50:57 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/14/2012 2:20:24 PM, CrazyPerson wrote:
At 10/14/2012 1:50:09 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 10/14/2012 1:05:35 PM, CrazyPerson wrote:
Back then people were genetically pure and lived to be 800-1000 years old. Make an inference.

No, they didn't live to be that old. Fossils dug of ancient humans indicate that they had much shorter lifespans than we do now (they didn't have the medical care, dentistry, quality of food ect.)... To say they used to live to be 800 - 1000 years old is outrageous, and science debunks it.

I'm not using science to conclude this. I'm using the bible.

Well, like I said, science already disproved that claim from The Bible. Believing things that are false, just because they are in some book says it's true, is rather foolish don't you think? If The Bible said that the Earth was the only planet that existed, would you believe it just because The Bible said so even though we know that's false? Come on...
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10/14/2012 2:51:34 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/14/2012 1:43:11 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 10/14/2012 1:31:51 PM, Magicr wrote:
At 10/14/2012 1:19:14 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 10/14/2012 1:07:47 PM, Magicr wrote:
At 10/14/2012 1:05:04 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
...the bible mentions that were other peoples, it's not that hard of a question.

At what point in the Bible? And from where did these people come?

"13 Cain said to the Lord, "My punishment is more than I can bear. 14 Today you are driving me from the land, and I will be hidden from your presence; I will be a restless wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me."

15 But the Lord said to him, "Not so[a]; anyone who kills Cain will suffer vengeance seven times over." Then the Lord put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him. 16 So Cain went out from the Lord"s presence and lived in the land of Nod,[b] east of Eden."

And, I don't know, probably the same process that all other people come from.

So is it fallacious to say that we are all descended from Adam and Eve as some would claim?

Yes, I think it would be.

This is entirely inconsistent with Christian doctrine. The reason that all humans are condemned is because their ancestors, Adam and Eve, fell from God's grace. How can Original Sin be universal if not everyone is a descendant of Adam and Eve? Did God create some people who were inherently sinful? Moreover, how did those other people become rational and able to distinguish between good and evil?

This is not only a dangerous concept because it permits some to classify others as animals rather than humans (especially since everything else was created for Adam to enslave), but it does not make much sense in relation to Christian beliefs.
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10/14/2012 2:52:59 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/14/2012 2:50:57 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 10/14/2012 2:20:24 PM, CrazyPerson wrote:
At 10/14/2012 1:50:09 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 10/14/2012 1:05:35 PM, CrazyPerson wrote:
Back then people were genetically pure and lived to be 800-1000 years old. Make an inference.

No, they didn't live to be that old. Fossils dug of ancient humans indicate that they had much shorter lifespans than we do now (they didn't have the medical care, dentistry, quality of food ect.)... To say they used to live to be 800 - 1000 years old is outrageous, and science debunks it.

I'm not using science to conclude this. I'm using the bible.

Well, like I said, science already disproved that claim from The Bible. Believing things that are false, just because they are in some book says it's true, is rather foolish don't you think? If The Bible said that the Earth was the only planet that existed, would you believe it just because The Bible said so even though we know that's false? Come on...

You're misinterpreting what he's saying. CrazyPerson is assuming Biblical theory to be true in order to force Christians to justify an inconsistency in their claim. He does not believe it is true just because the Bible says so.
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10/14/2012 3:16:32 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/14/2012 2:50:57 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 10/14/2012 2:20:24 PM, CrazyPerson wrote:
At 10/14/2012 1:50:09 PM, Rational_Thinker9119 wrote:
At 10/14/2012 1:05:35 PM, CrazyPerson wrote:
Back then people were genetically pure and lived to be 800-1000 years old. Make an inference.

No, they didn't live to be that old. Fossils dug of ancient humans indicate that they had much shorter lifespans than we do now (they didn't have the medical care, dentistry, quality of food ect.)... To say they used to live to be 800 - 1000 years old is outrageous, and science debunks it.

I'm not using science to conclude this. I'm using the bible.

Well, like I said, science already disproved that claim from The Bible. Believing things that are false, just because they are in some book says it's true, is rather foolish don't you think? If The Bible said that the Earth was the only planet that existed, would you believe it just because The Bible said so even though we know that's false? Come on...

Dude. I think religion is foolish in every aspect, I believe that it might have been necessary in the past but I think that humans have intellectually moved passed the need for such institutions.

Look at the OP... It's within the context of the bible, (Obviously)... Therefore, assuming it tells a completely and totally fictitious story, I proceeded to respond by claiming that the people within the BIBLE, NOT within 'real life', have lived to be 800-1000 years old. Which therefore, is completely accurate.
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The moralist is the person who tells people that they ought to be unselfish, when they still feel like egos, and his efforts are always and invariably futile.
- - - Watts
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10/14/2012 3:21:47 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/14/2012 2:51:34 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 10/14/2012 1:43:11 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 10/14/2012 1:31:51 PM, Magicr wrote:
At 10/14/2012 1:19:14 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 10/14/2012 1:07:47 PM, Magicr wrote:
At 10/14/2012 1:05:04 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
...the bible mentions that were other peoples, it's not that hard of a question.

At what point in the Bible? And from where did these people come?

"13 Cain said to the Lord, "My punishment is more than I can bear. 14 Today you are driving me from the land, and I will be hidden from your presence; I will be a restless wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me."

15 But the Lord said to him, "Not so[a]; anyone who kills Cain will suffer vengeance seven times over." Then the Lord put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him. 16 So Cain went out from the Lord"s presence and lived in the land of Nod,[b] east of Eden."

And, I don't know, probably the same process that all other people come from.

So is it fallacious to say that we are all descended from Adam and Eve as some would claim?

Yes, I think it would be.

This is entirely inconsistent with Christian doctrine.

Is that right? Want to debate it?
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10/14/2012 3:26:32 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/14/2012 3:21:47 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 10/14/2012 2:51:34 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 10/14/2012 1:43:11 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 10/14/2012 1:31:51 PM, Magicr wrote:
At 10/14/2012 1:19:14 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 10/14/2012 1:07:47 PM, Magicr wrote:
At 10/14/2012 1:05:04 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
...the bible mentions that were other peoples, it's not that hard of a question.

At what point in the Bible? And from where did these people come?

"13 Cain said to the Lord, "My punishment is more than I can bear. 14 Today you are driving me from the land, and I will be hidden from your presence; I will be a restless wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me."

15 But the Lord said to him, "Not so[a]; anyone who kills Cain will suffer vengeance seven times over." Then the Lord put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him. 16 So Cain went out from the Lord"s presence and lived in the land of Nod,[b] east of Eden."

And, I don't know, probably the same process that all other people come from.

So is it fallacious to say that we are all descended from Adam and Eve as some would claim?

Yes, I think it would be.

This is entirely inconsistent with Christian doctrine.

Is that right? Want to debate it?

Why don't you respond to my explanation instead of just using that standard line that people use when they have nothing else to say but want to scare off their opponents in the forums?
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10/14/2012 3:30:24 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/14/2012 3:26:32 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 10/14/2012 3:21:47 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 10/14/2012 2:51:34 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 10/14/2012 1:43:11 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 10/14/2012 1:31:51 PM, Magicr wrote:
At 10/14/2012 1:19:14 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 10/14/2012 1:07:47 PM, Magicr wrote:
At 10/14/2012 1:05:04 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
...the bible mentions that were other peoples, it's not that hard of a question.

At what point in the Bible? And from where did these people come?

"13 Cain said to the Lord, "My punishment is more than I can bear. 14 Today you are driving me from the land, and I will be hidden from your presence; I will be a restless wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me."

15 But the Lord said to him, "Not so[a]; anyone who kills Cain will suffer vengeance seven times over." Then the Lord put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him. 16 So Cain went out from the Lord"s presence and lived in the land of Nod,[b] east of Eden."

And, I don't know, probably the same process that all other people come from.

So is it fallacious to say that we are all descended from Adam and Eve as some would claim?

Yes, I think it would be.

This is entirely inconsistent with Christian doctrine.

Is that right? Want to debate it?

Why don't you respond to my explanation instead of just using that standard line that people use when they have nothing else to say but want to scare off their opponents in the forums?

So are you trying to admit that you're scared to debate me? :)
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10/14/2012 3:37:10 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/14/2012 3:30:24 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 10/14/2012 3:26:32 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 10/14/2012 3:21:47 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 10/14/2012 2:51:34 PM, royalpaladin wrote:
At 10/14/2012 1:43:11 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 10/14/2012 1:31:51 PM, Magicr wrote:
At 10/14/2012 1:19:14 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 10/14/2012 1:07:47 PM, Magicr wrote:
At 10/14/2012 1:05:04 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
...the bible mentions that were other peoples, it's not that hard of a question.

At what point in the Bible? And from where did these people come?

"13 Cain said to the Lord, "My punishment is more than I can bear. 14 Today you are driving me from the land, and I will be hidden from your presence; I will be a restless wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me."

15 But the Lord said to him, "Not so[a]; anyone who kills Cain will suffer vengeance seven times over." Then the Lord put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him. 16 So Cain went out from the Lord"s presence and lived in the land of Nod,[b] east of Eden."

And, I don't know, probably the same process that all other people come from.

So is it fallacious to say that we are all descended from Adam and Eve as some would claim?

Yes, I think it would be.

This is entirely inconsistent with Christian doctrine.

Is that right? Want to debate it?

Why don't you respond to my explanation instead of just using that standard line that people use when they have nothing else to say but want to scare off their opponents in the forums?

So are you trying to admit that you're scared to debate me? :)

No response, I see . . .