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10/20/2012 3:12:47 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Professor : You are a Christian, aren"t you, son ?

Student : Yes, sir.

Professor: So, you believe in GOD ?

Student : Absolutely, sir.

Professor : Is GOD good ?

Student : Sure.

Professor: Is GOD all powerful ?

Student : Yes.

Professor: My brother died of cancer even though he prayed to GOD to heal him. Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But GOD didn"t. How is this GOD good then? Hmm?

(Student was silent.)

Professor: You can"t answer, can you ? Let"s start again, young fella. Is GOD good?

Student : Yes.

Professor: Is satan good ?

Student : No.

Professor: Where does satan come from ?

Student : From " GOD "

Professor: That"s right. Tell me son, is there evil in this world?

Student : Yes.

Professor: Evil is everywhere, isn"t it ? And GOD did make everything. Correct?

Student : Yes.

Professor: So who created evil ?

(Student did not answer.)

Professor: Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things exist in the world, don"t they?

Student : Yes, sir.

Professor: So, who created them ?

(Student had no answer.)

Professor: Science says you have 5 Senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Tell me, son, have you ever seen GOD?

Student : No, sir.

Professor: Tell us if you have ever heard your GOD?

Student : No , sir.

Professor: Have you ever felt your GOD, tasted your GOD, smelt your GOD? Have you ever had any sensory perception of GOD for that matter?

Student : No, sir. I"m afraid I haven"t.

Professor: Yet you still believe in Him?

Student : Yes.

Professor : According to Empirical, Testable, Demonstrable Protocol, Science says your GOD doesn"t exist. What do you say to that, son?

Student : Nothing. I only have my faith.

Professor: Yes, faith. And that is the problem Science has.

Student : Professor, is there such a thing as heat?

Professor: Yes.

Student : And is there such a thing as cold?

Professor: Yes.

Student : No, sir. There isn"t.

(The lecture theater became very quiet with this turn of events.)

Student : Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more heat, superheat, mega heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat. But we don"t have anything called cold. We can hit 458 degrees below zero which is no heat, but we can"t go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold. Cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.

(There was pin-drop silence in the lecture theater.)

Student : What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as darkness?

Professor: Yes. What is night if there isn"t darkness?

Student : You"re wrong again, sir. Darkness is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light. But if you have no light constantly, you have nothing and its called darkness, isn"t it? In reality, darkness isn"t. If it is, well you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn"t you?

Professor: So what is the point you are making, young man ?

Student : Sir, my point is your philosophical premise is flawed.

Professor: Flawed ? Can you explain how?

Student : Sir, you are working on the premise of duality. You argue there is life and then there is death, a good GOD and a bad GOD. You are viewing the concept of GOD as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, Science can"t even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing.

Death is not the opposite of life: just the absence of it. Now tell me, Professor, do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?

Professor: If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, yes, of course, I do.

Student : Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?

(The Professor shook his head with a smile, beginning to realize where the argument was going.)

Student : Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor. Are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a preacher?

(The class was in uproar.)

Student : Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the Professor"s brain?

(The class broke out into laughter. )

Student : Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor"s brain, felt it, touched or smelt it? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established Rules of Empirical, Stable, Demonstrable Protocol, Science says that you have no brain, sir. With all due respect, sir, how do we then trust your lectures, sir?

(The room was silent. The Professor stared at the student, his face unfathomable.)

Professor: I guess you"ll have to take them on faith, son.

Student : That is it sir " Exactly ! The link between man & GOD is FAITH. That is all that keeps things alive and moving.

P.S.

I believe you have enjoyed the conversation. And if so, you"ll probably want your friends / colleagues to enjoy the same, won"t you?

Forward this to increase their knowledge " or FAITH.

By the way, that student was EINSTEIN.
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10/20/2012 5:06:17 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/20/2012 3:12:47 AM, Ruckmanite wrote:
Professor : You are a Christian, aren"t you, son ?

Student : Yes, sir.

Professor: So, you believe in GOD ?

Student : Absolutely, sir.

Professor : Is GOD good ?

Student : Sure.

Professor: Is GOD all powerful ?

Student : Yes.

Professor: My brother died of cancer even though he prayed to GOD to heal him. Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But GOD didn"t. How is this GOD good then? Hmm?

(Student was silent.)

Professor: You can"t answer, can you ? Let"s start again, young fella. Is GOD good?

Student : Yes.

Professor: Is satan good ?

Student : No.

Professor: Where does satan come from ?

Student : From " GOD "

Professor: That"s right. Tell me son, is there evil in this world?

Student : Yes.

Professor: Evil is everywhere, isn"t it ? And GOD did make everything. Correct?

Student : Yes.

Professor: So who created evil ?

(Student did not answer.)

Professor: Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things exist in the world, don"t they?

Student : Yes, sir.

Professor: So, who created them ?

(Student had no answer.)

Professor: Science says you have 5 Senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Tell me, son, have you ever seen GOD?

Student : No, sir.

Professor: Tell us if you have ever heard your GOD?

Student : No , sir.

Professor: Have you ever felt your GOD, tasted your GOD, smelt your GOD? Have you ever had any sensory perception of GOD for that matter?

Student : No, sir. I"m afraid I haven"t.

Professor: Yet you still believe in Him?

Student : Yes.

Professor : According to Empirical, Testable, Demonstrable Protocol, Science says your GOD doesn"t exist. What do you say to that, son?

Student : Nothing. I only have my faith.

Professor: Yes, faith. And that is the problem Science has.

Student : Professor, is there such a thing as heat?

Professor: Yes.

Student : And is there such a thing as cold?

Professor: Yes.

Student : No, sir. There isn"t.

Yes student, there is. And your about to attempt to disprove cold by using a equivocation fallacy. And then your going to attempt to say that you can`t measure cold, and beyond giving no reason why you can`t you actually give reason why you can, because the measurement of cold is the absence of heat.


(The lecture theater became very quiet with this turn of events.)

Student : Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more heat, superheat, mega heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat. But we don"t have anything called cold. We can hit 458 degrees below zero which is no heat, but we can"t go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold. Cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.

(There was pin-drop silence in the lecture theater.)

Student : What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as darkness?

Professor: Yes. What is night if there isn"t darkness?

Student : You"re wrong again, sir.

No student, you`re just going to use another equivocation fallacy.

Darkness is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light. But if you have no light constantly, you have nothing and its called darkness, isn"t it?

In reality, darkness isn"t. If it is, well you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn"t you?

Non-sequitur, the reality of something does not hinge on the ability to purify it. Else 100% pure things could not exist.


Professor: So what is the point you are making, young man ?

Student : Sir, my point is your philosophical premise is flawed.

Professor: Flawed ? Can you explain how?

Student : Sir, you are working on the premise of duality.

Wrong.

You argue there is life and then there is death, a good GOD and a bad GOD. You are viewing the concept of GOD as something finite, something we can measure.

Sir, Science can"t even explain a thought.

False, "Researchers have demonstrated a striking method to reconstruct words, based on the brain waves of patients thinking of those words."

http://www.bbc.co.uk...

It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen,

Thought? Because thought can`t be seen so your point is pointless.

much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing.

So nothing is not the opposite of something? Can you please stop making non-sequitur`s.

Death is not the opposite of life: just the absence of it.

And since when are the two mutually exclusive?

Now tell me, Professor, do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?

Professor: If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, yes, of course, I do.

Student : Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?

Have you ever seen your own brain? Probably not, but you have witnessed and experienced the effects it has upon reality.


(The Professor shook his head with a smile, beginning to realize where the argument was going.)

Student : Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor.

Juts plain a simply wrong in every way.

Are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a preacher?

preach/prēCH/
Verb:

Deliver a sermon or religious address to an assembled group of people, typically in church: "he preached to a large congregation".
Publicly proclaim or teach (a religious message or belief).

Are you saying evolution is a religion?


(The class was in uproar.)

Student : Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the Professor"s brain?

(The class broke out into laughter. )

Student : Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor"s brain, felt it, touched or smelt it? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established Rules of Empirical, Stable, Demonstrable Protocol, Science says that you have no brain, sir. With all due respect, sir, how do we then trust your lectures, sir?

Strawman.


(The room was silent. The Professor stared at the student, his face unfathomable.)

Professor: I guess you"ll have to take them on faith, son.

And I`ll label this a strawman as well, because no self respecting professor would concede to such flimsy and fallacious arguments.


Student : That is it sir " Exactly ! The link between man & GOD is FAITH. That is all that keeps things alive and moving.

Completely and utterly wrong.


P.S.

I believe you have enjoyed the conversation. And if so, you"ll probably want your friends / colleagues to enjoy the same, won"t you?

Forward this to increase their knowledge " or FAITH.

By the way, that student was EINSTEIN.

Einstein was a deist, he believed that god had nothing to do with humanity or the universe.
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10/20/2012 6:03:50 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/20/2012 3:12:47 AM, Ruckmanite wrote:
Professor : You are a Christian, aren"t you, son ?

Student : Yes, sir.

Professor: So, you believe in GOD ?

Student : Absolutely, sir.

Professor : Is GOD good ?

Student : Sure.

Professor: Is GOD all powerful ?

Student : Yes.

Professor: My brother died of cancer even though he prayed to GOD to heal him. Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But GOD didn"t. How is this GOD good then? Hmm?

(Student was silent.)

Professor: You can"t answer, can you ? Let"s start again, young fella. Is GOD good?

Student : Yes.

Professor: Is satan good ?

Student : No.

Professor: Where does satan come from ?

Student : From " GOD "

Professor: That"s right. Tell me son, is there evil in this world?

Student : Yes.

Professor: Evil is everywhere, isn"t it ? And GOD did make everything. Correct?

Student : Yes.

Professor: So who created evil ?

(Student did not answer.)

Professor: Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things exist in the world, don"t they?

Student : Yes, sir.

Professor: So, who created them ?

(Student had no answer.)

Professor: Science says you have 5 Senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Tell me, son, have you ever seen GOD?

Student : No, sir.

Professor: Tell us if you have ever heard your GOD?

Student : No , sir.

Professor: Have you ever felt your GOD, tasted your GOD, smelt your GOD? Have you ever had any sensory perception of GOD for that matter?

Student : No, sir. I"m afraid I haven"t.

Professor: Yet you still believe in Him?

Student : Yes.

Professor : According to Empirical, Testable, Demonstrable Protocol, Science says your GOD doesn"t exist. What do you say to that, son?

Student : Nothing. I only have my faith.

Professor: Yes, faith. And that is the problem Science has.

Student : Professor, is there such a thing as heat?

Professor: Yes.

Student : And is there such a thing as cold?

Professor: Yes.

Student : No, sir. There isn"t.

(The lecture theater became very quiet with this turn of events.)

Student : Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more heat, superheat, mega heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat. But we don"t have anything called cold. We can hit 458 degrees below zero which is no heat, but we can"t go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold. Cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.

(There was pin-drop silence in the lecture theater.)

Student : What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as darkness?

Professor: Yes. What is night if there isn"t darkness?

Student : You"re wrong again, sir. Darkness is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light. But if you have no light constantly, you have nothing and its called darkness, isn"t it? In reality, darkness isn"t. If it is, well you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn"t you?

Professor: So what is the point you are making, young man ?

Student : Sir, my point is your philosophical premise is flawed.

Professor: Flawed ? Can you explain how?

Student : Sir, you are working on the premise of duality. You argue there is life and then there is death, a good GOD and a bad GOD. You are viewing the concept of GOD as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, Science can"t even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing.

Death is not the opposite of life: just the absence of it. Now tell me, Professor, do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?

Professor: If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, yes, of course, I do.

Student : Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?

(The Professor shook his head with a smile, beginning to realize where the argument was going.)

Student : Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor. Are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a preacher?

(The class was in uproar.)

Student : Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the Professor"s brain?

(The class broke out into laughter. )

Student : Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor"s brain, felt it, touched or smelt it? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established Rules of Empirical, Stable, Demonstrable Protocol, Science says that you have no brain, sir. With all due respect, sir, how do we then trust your lectures, sir?

(The room was silent. The Professor stared at the student, his face unfathomable.)

Professor: I guess you"ll have to take them on faith, son.

Student : That is it sir " Exactly ! The link between man & GOD is FAITH. That is all that keeps things alive and moving.

P.S.

I believe you have enjoyed the conversation. And if so, you"ll probably want your friends / colleagues to enjoy the same, won"t you?

Forward this to increase their knowledge " or FAITH.

By the way, that student was EINSTEIN.

genius.
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10/20/2012 8:54:37 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
"The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this." - Einstein

"I do not believe in immortality of the individual, and I consider ethics to be an exclusively human concern with no superhuman authority behind it." - Einstein

"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it." - Einstein

http://www.positiveatheism.org...
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10/20/2012 9:12:58 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/20/2012 6:03:50 AM, Smithereens wrote:
At 10/20/2012 3:12:47 AM, Ruckmanite wrote:
Professor : You are a Christian, aren"t you, son ?

Student : Yes, sir.

Professor: So, you believe in GOD ?

Student : Absolutely, sir.

Professor : Is GOD good ?

Student : Sure.

Professor: Is GOD all powerful ?

Student : Yes.

Professor: My brother died of cancer even though he prayed to GOD to heal him. Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But GOD didn"t. How is this GOD good then? Hmm?

(Student was silent.)

Professor: You can"t answer, can you ? Let"s start again, young fella. Is GOD good?

Student : Yes.

Professor: Is satan good ?

Student : No.

Professor: Where does satan come from ?

Student : From " GOD "

Professor: That"s right. Tell me son, is there evil in this world?

Student : Yes.

Professor: Evil is everywhere, isn"t it ? And GOD did make everything. Correct?

Student : Yes.

Professor: So who created evil ?

(Student did not answer.)

Professor: Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things exist in the world, don"t they?

Student : Yes, sir.

Professor: So, who created them ?

(Student had no answer.)

Professor: Science says you have 5 Senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Tell me, son, have you ever seen GOD?

Student : No, sir.

Professor: Tell us if you have ever heard your GOD?

Student : No , sir.

Professor: Have you ever felt your GOD, tasted your GOD, smelt your GOD? Have you ever had any sensory perception of GOD for that matter?

Student : No, sir. I"m afraid I haven"t.

Professor: Yet you still believe in Him?

Student : Yes.

Professor : According to Empirical, Testable, Demonstrable Protocol, Science says your GOD doesn"t exist. What do you say to that, son?

Student : Nothing. I only have my faith.

Professor: Yes, faith. And that is the problem Science has.

Student : Professor, is there such a thing as heat?

Professor: Yes.

Student : And is there such a thing as cold?

Professor: Yes.

Student : No, sir. There isn"t.

(The lecture theater became very quiet with this turn of events.)

Student : Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more heat, superheat, mega heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat. But we don"t have anything called cold. We can hit 458 degrees below zero which is no heat, but we can"t go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold. Cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.

(There was pin-drop silence in the lecture theater.)

Student : What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as darkness?

Professor: Yes. What is night if there isn"t darkness?

Student : You"re wrong again, sir. Darkness is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light. But if you have no light constantly, you have nothing and its called darkness, isn"t it? In reality, darkness isn"t. If it is, well you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn"t you?

Professor: So what is the point you are making, young man ?

Student : Sir, my point is your philosophical premise is flawed.

Professor: Flawed ? Can you explain how?

Student : Sir, you are working on the premise of duality. You argue there is life and then there is death, a good GOD and a bad GOD. You are viewing the concept of GOD as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, Science can"t even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing.

Death is not the opposite of life: just the absence of it. Now tell me, Professor, do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?

Professor: If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, yes, of course, I do.

Student : Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?

(The Professor shook his head with a smile, beginning to realize where the argument was going.)

Student : Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor. Are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a preacher?

(The class was in uproar.)

Student : Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the Professor"s brain?

(The class broke out into laughter. )

Student : Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor"s brain, felt it, touched or smelt it? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established Rules of Empirical, Stable, Demonstrable Protocol, Science says that you have no brain, sir. With all due respect, sir, how do we then trust your lectures, sir?

(The room was silent. The Professor stared at the student, his face unfathomable.)

Professor: I guess you"ll have to take them on faith, son.

Student : That is it sir " Exactly ! The link between man & GOD is FAITH. That is all that keeps things alive and moving.

P.S.

I believe you have enjoyed the conversation. And if so, you"ll probably want your friends / colleagues to enjoy the same, won"t you?

Forward this to increase their knowledge " or FAITH.

By the way, that student was EINSTEIN.

genius.

No, it commits the equivocation fallacy. Surely you can't be that easily sucked in? Also, Einstein stated numerous times that he was not a Christian, and did not believe in God. This is just an ignorant feel-good chain mail relic of the 1990's.
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10/20/2012 10:14:23 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
I seriously hope that you don't expect us to respect that student because he was supposedly Einstein, because everything he said was full of sh!t... especially the part about evolution. He is using the old Augustinean argument, which is just playing on semantics.
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10/20/2012 10:15:38 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Although it holds with the Problem of Induction, the way that the student is depicting science is completely false.
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10/20/2012 11:13:56 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/20/2012 5:06:17 AM, muzebreak wrote:

Einstein was a deist, he believed that god had nothing to do with humanity or the universe.

Actually he was only deist at one point. He ended up not believing in God all together. I wouldn't say that changes anything though. He could have believed in a personal God when he was a student.
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10/20/2012 11:15:47 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/20/2012 10:14:23 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
I seriously hope that you don't expect us to respect that student because he was supposedly Einstein, because everything he said was full of sh!t... especially the part about evolution. He is using the old Augustinean argument, which is just playing on semantics.

Well the professor had some equally bullsh!t reasoning.
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10/20/2012 11:53:48 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/20/2012 11:15:47 AM, phantom wrote:
At 10/20/2012 10:14:23 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
I seriously hope that you don't expect us to respect that student because he was supposedly Einstein, because everything he said was full of sh!t... especially the part about evolution. He is using the old Augustinean argument, which is just playing on semantics.

Well the professor had some equally bullsh!t reasoning.

and that professor...was Albert Einstein
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10/20/2012 12:20:07 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
It was good until the Student went batshit insane.
Also, Albert E. was a Deist...
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10/20/2012 1:07:59 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/20/2012 11:53:48 AM, twocupcakes wrote:
At 10/20/2012 11:15:47 AM, phantom wrote:
At 10/20/2012 10:14:23 AM, Lordknukle wrote:
I seriously hope that you don't expect us to respect that student because he was supposedly Einstein, because everything he said was full of sh!t... especially the part about evolution. He is using the old Augustinean argument, which is just playing on semantics.

Well the professor had some equally bullsh!t reasoning.

and that professor...was Albert Einstein

No the student was supposed to be Eistein. And it doesn't change anything. Even if the professor was Einstein I'd call some of his reasoning bull.
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10/20/2012 4:34:46 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/20/2012 3:41:37 PM, Citrakayah wrote:
Einstein was raised Jewish.

No, Einstein WAS Jewish and was raised orthodox..
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10/20/2012 7:55:46 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/20/2012 4:34:46 PM, DanielChristopherBlowes wrote:
At 10/20/2012 3:41:37 PM, Citrakayah wrote:
Einstein was raised Jewish.

No, Einstein WAS Jewish and was raised orthodox..

Not in his later life, when he referred to himself as a Spinozism, agnostic, and disbeliever.

Even if he was Jewish for his entire life, he would still be raised Jewish.
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10/20/2012 11:01:15 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/20/2012 3:12:47 AM, Ruckmanite wrote:
Professor : You are a Christian, aren"t you, son ?

Student : Yes, sir.

Professor: So, you believe in GOD ?

Student : Absolutely, sir.

Professor : Is GOD good ?

Student : Sure.

Professor: Is GOD all powerful ?

Student : Yes.

Professor: My brother died of cancer even though he prayed to GOD to heal him. Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But GOD didn"t. How is this GOD good then? Hmm?

(Student was silent.)

Professor: You can"t answer, can you ? Let"s start again, young fella. Is GOD good?

Student : Yes.

Professor: Is satan good ?

Student : No.

Professor: Where does satan come from ?

Student : From " GOD "

Professor: That"s right. Tell me son, is there evil in this world?

Student : Yes.

Professor: Evil is everywhere, isn"t it ? And GOD did make everything. Correct?

Student : Yes.

Professor: So who created evil ?

(Student did not answer.)

Professor: Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things exist in the world, don"t they?

Student : Yes, sir.

Professor: So, who created them ?

(Student had no answer.)

Professor: Science says you have 5 Senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Tell me, son, have you ever seen GOD?

Student : No, sir.

Professor: Tell us if you have ever heard your GOD?

Student : No , sir.

Professor: Have you ever felt your GOD, tasted your GOD, smelt your GOD? Have you ever had any sensory perception of GOD for that matter?

Student : No, sir. I"m afraid I haven"t.

Professor: Yet you still believe in Him?

Student : Yes.

Professor : According to Empirical, Testable, Demonstrable Protocol, Science says your GOD doesn"t exist. What do you say to that, son?

Student : Nothing. I only have my faith.

Professor: Yes, faith. And that is the problem Science has.

Student : Professor, is there such a thing as heat?

Professor: Yes.

Student : And is there such a thing as cold?

Professor: Yes.

Student : No, sir. There isn"t.

(The lecture theater became very quiet with this turn of events.)

Student : Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more heat, superheat, mega heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat. But we don"t have anything called cold. We can hit 458 degrees below zero which is no heat, but we can"t go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold. Cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.

(There was pin-drop silence in the lecture theater.)

Student : What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as darkness?

Professor: Yes. What is night if there isn"t darkness?

Student : You"re wrong again, sir. Darkness is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light. But if you have no light constantly, you have nothing and its called darkness, isn"t it? In reality, darkness isn"t. If it is, well you would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn"t you?

Professor: So what is the point you are making, young man ?

Student : Sir, my point is your philosophical premise is flawed.

Professor: Flawed ? Can you explain how?

Student : Sir, you are working on the premise of duality. You argue there is life and then there is death, a good GOD and a bad GOD. You are viewing the concept of GOD as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, Science can"t even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing.

Death is not the opposite of life: just the absence of it. Now tell me, Professor, do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?

Humans didn't evolve from monkeys they evolved from Homo Erectus.

Professor: If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, yes, of course, I do.

Student : Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?

(The Professor shook his head with a smile, beginning to realize where the argument was going.)

Student : Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor. Are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a scientist but a preacher?

(The class was in uproar.)

Student : Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the Professor"s brain?

(The class broke out into laughter. )

Student : Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor"s brain, felt it, touched or smelt it? No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established Rules of Empirical, Stable, Demonstrable Protocol, Science says that you have no brain, sir. With all due respect, sir, how do we then trust your lectures, sir?

(The room was silent. The Professor stared at the student, his face unfathomable.)

Professor: I guess you"ll have to take them on faith, son.

Student : That is it sir " Exactly ! The link between man & GOD is FAITH. That is all that keeps things alive and moving.

P.S.

I believe you have enjoyed the conversation. And if so, you"ll probably want your friends / colleagues to enjoy the same, won"t you?

Forward this to increase their knowledge " or FAITH.

By the way, that student was EINSTEIN.
"not to toot my own horn (it aint need no tooin if u know what im saying), but my writings on "viciousness: the one true viture (fancy spelling for virtue)" and my poem "A poem I wrote about DDO" put me in a class of my damn own. im just an UNRECONGIZED geniuse" -bananafana
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10/20/2012 11:41:53 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/20/2012 4:34:46 PM, DanielChristopherBlowes wrote:
At 10/20/2012 3:41:37 PM, Citrakayah wrote:
Einstein was raised Jewish.

No, Einstein WAS Jewish and was raised orthodox..

Me Composer the ongoing successful Cult buster: Story book jebus was born Jewish, raised as a Jew and remained an eternal Jew!

Your ONLY literal Saviour moi!
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10/20/2012 11:43:35 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/20/2012 11:41:53 PM, Composer wrote:

omg you're such a twat.
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10/21/2012 12:35:08 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/20/2012 8:54:37 AM, twocupcakes wrote:
"The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this." - Einstein

"I do not believe in immortality of the individual, and I consider ethics to be an exclusively human concern with no superhuman authority behind it." - Einstein

"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it." - Einstein

http://www.positiveatheism.org...

That doesnt mean that he couldnt have once been a Christian at an ealier time in life.
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10/21/2012 12:45:54 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/20/2012 7:55:46 PM, Citrakayah wrote:
At 10/20/2012 4:34:46 PM, DanielChristopherBlowes wrote:
At 10/20/2012 3:41:37 PM, Citrakayah wrote:
Einstein was raised Jewish.

No, Einstein WAS Jewish and was raised orthodox..

Not in his later life, when he referred to himself as a Spinozism, agnostic, and disbeliever.

Even if he was Jewish for his entire life, he would still be raised Jewish.

You're confusing religion with race; Einsteins race (like Woody Allen or Henry Kissinger) was Jewish.. His parents practiced orthodoxy and so he was brought up as a practicing Jew. Even when he abandoned the faith he remained a Jew.
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10/21/2012 5:09:40 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/20/2012 8:54:37 AM, twocupcakes wrote:
"The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this." - Einstein

"I do not believe in immortality of the individual, and I consider ethics to be an exclusively human concern with no superhuman authority behind it." - Einstein

"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it." - Einstein

http://www.positiveatheism.org...

LOL. The source is quite ironic being that Einstein himself was anti positive atheism.

To be fair he was not a typical believer either. For the most part he does seem to usually believe in some sort of god.

Read these quotes and make your own decision:

http://en.wikipedia.org...

Selected quotes from http://einstein.biz... :

"I want to know God"s thoughts. The rest are details."
"Albert Einstein --- Quoted by E. Salaman in " A Talk with Einstein", Listener 54 (1955)

"Strenuous intellectual work and the study of God"s Nature are the angels that will lead me through all the troubles of this life with consolation, strength, and uncompromising rigor."
"Albert Einstein --- To Pauline Winteler " July 3,1897. AEA 29-453

"My relationship to the Jewish people has become my strongest human bond, ever since I became fully aware of our precarious situation among the nations of the world."
"Albert Einstein --- Statement to Abba Eban, November 18,1952. AEA 28-943.

Not sure what this one means:
"One becomes a deeply religious nonbeliever"". It is clear from the original that it is definitely not "I".
To Hans Muehsam, March 30,1954. AEA 38-434.

"He who cherishes the values of culture cannot fail to be a pacifist."
"Albert Einstein --- Quoted in Die Friedensbewegung, ed. Kurt Lenz and Walter Fabian (1922) 17.

"Morality is the highest importance"but for us, not for God."
"Albert Einstein --- To M.M. Schayer, August 1927. AEA 48-380

"God gave me the stubbornness of a mule and a fairly keen scent."
"Albert Einstein --- Quoted in G.J. Whitrow, Einstein: the man and his achievement, 91

Israel is the only place on earth where Jews have the possibility to shape public life according to their own traditional ideals."
"Albert Einstein ---From address, September 19,1954. AEA 28-1054

"Mere unbelief in a personal God is no philosophy at all."
"Albert Einstein --- To V.T. Aaltonen, May 7, 1952. AEA 59-059

"It is not so important where one settles down. The best thing is to follow your instincts without too much reflection."
"Albert Einstein --- To Max Born, March 3,1920. AEA 8-146

"No idea is conceived in our mind independent of our five senses [i.e., no idea is divinely inspired]."
"Albert Einstein ---Quoted in W. Hermanns, A Talk with Einstein. AEA 55-285
me - If so, the concept of god must be based on our 5 senses.

"What really interests me is whether God could have created the world any differently; in other words, whether the demand for logical simplicity leaves any freedom at all."
"Albert Einstein --- Quoted by Ernst Straus in Seelig, Helle Zeit, dunkle Zeit, 72

"I am not a Jew in the sense that I would demand the preservation of the Jewish or any other nationality as an end in itself. Rather, I see Jewish nationality as a fact and I believe that every Jew must draw the consequences from this fact
"Albert Einstein --- In J"dische Rundschau, June 21, 1921. CPAE Vol. 7, Doc. 57

Selected quotes from http://www.alberteinsteinsite.com...

"I maintain that the cosmic religious feeling is the strongest and noblest motive for scientific research." - Albert Einstein

"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstein

"I want to know God's thoughts...the rest are details." - Albert Einstein

"Subtle is the Lord, but malicious He is not." - Albert Einstein

My religiosity consists in a humble admiration of the infinitely superior spirit that reveals itself in the little that we, with our weak and transitory understanding, can comprehend of reality. Morality is of the highest importance -- but for us, not for God." - Albert Einstein 'The Human Side', 1954

"Strange is our situation here upon this earth. Each of us comes for a short visit, not knowing why, yet sometimes seeming to a divine purpose." - Albert Einstein

"There remains something subtle, intangible and inexplicable. Veneration for this force beyond anything that we can comprehend is my religion." - Albert Einstein

"Human beings, vegetables, or cosmic dust, we all dance to a mysterious tune intoned in the distance by an invisible player." - Albert Einstein

A relevant link:
http://en.wikiquote.org...

Selected quotes from http://www.quotationspage.com...

Before God we are all equally wise - and equally foolish.

At any rate, I am convinced that He [God] does not play dice.
Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955), In a letter to Max Born, 1926

This has nothing to do with anything but it's funny:
If God lived on earth, people would break his windows.
Jewish Proverb

Selected quotes from brainyquote.com :

All religions, arts and sciences are branches of the same tree.
Albert Einstein

Before God we are all equally wise - and equally foolish.
Albert Einstein

The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science.
Albert Einstein

That deep emotional conviction of the presence of a superior reasoning power, which is revealed in the incomprehensible universe, forms my idea of God.

Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.
Albert Einstein

When the solution is simple, God is answering.
Albert Einstein

God always takes the simplest way.
Albert Einstein

God always takes the simplest way.
Albert Einstein

I want to know all Gods thoughts; all the rest are just details.
Albert Einstein

God does not play dice.
Albert Einstein

I shall never believe that God plays dice with the world.
Albert Einstein

True religion is real living; living with all one's soul, with all one's goodness and righteousness.
Albert Einstein

Morality is of the highest importance - but for us, not for God.
Albert Einstein

God may be subtle, but he isn't plain mean.
Albert Einstein

The only real valuable thing is intuition.
Albert Einstein

Some quotes which imply lack of belief:
I am a deeply religious nonbeliever - this is a somewhat new kind of religion.
Albert Einstein

I do not believe in the God of theology who rewards good and punishes evil.
Albert Einstein

"The idea of a personal God is quite alien to me and seems even na"ve."
"Albert Einstein --- To Beatrice Frohlich, December 17, 1952. AEA59-797

http://en.wikipedia.org...
http://www.nydailynews.com...

royalpaladin: I'd rather support people who kill spies than a nation that organizes assassination squads (Kidon) to illegally enter into other nations and kill anybody who is not a Zionist. Who knows when they'll kill me for the crime of not supporting Israel?

Koopin: LOL! I just imagine Royal sitting in here apartment at night, when suddenly she hears a man outside speaking Hebrew as sh
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10/21/2012 8:30:10 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/21/2012 12:45:54 AM, DanielChristopherBlowes wrote:
At 10/20/2012 7:55:46 PM, Citrakayah wrote:
At 10/20/2012 4:34:46 PM, DanielChristopherBlowes wrote:
At 10/20/2012 3:41:37 PM, Citrakayah wrote:
Einstein was raised Jewish.

No, Einstein WAS Jewish and was raised orthodox..

Not in his later life, when he referred to himself as a Spinozism, agnostic, and disbeliever.

Even if he was Jewish for his entire life, he would still be raised Jewish.

You're confusing religion with race; Einsteins race (like Woody Allen or Henry Kissinger) was Jewish.. His parents practiced orthodoxy and so he was brought up as a practicing Jew. Even when he abandoned the faith he remained a Jew.

... You seriously think Judaism is a race?
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10/21/2012 8:34:19 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
10 billion dollars this conversation never took place, and 40 billion dollars Einstein never said it.

Mmm... mmm. mmmm.... Lying for Jesus is still lying,
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10/21/2012 8:40:13 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it." -- Albert Einstein

"I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own -- a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotisms." -- Albert Einstein

"A knowledge of the existence of something we cannot penetrate, of the manifestations of the profoundest reason and the most radiant beauty - it is this knowledge and this emotion that constitute the truly religious attitude; in this sense, and in this alone, I am a deeply religious man." -- Albert Einstein

"I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and actions of human beings." -- Albert Einstein
"Have you ever considered suicide? If not, please do." -- Mouthwash (to Inferno)
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10/21/2012 9:10:21 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/21/2012 8:30:10 AM, Citrakayah wrote:
At 10/21/2012 12:45:54 AM, DanielChristopherBlowes wrote:
At 10/20/2012 7:55:46 PM, Citrakayah wrote:
At 10/20/2012 4:34:46 PM, DanielChristopherBlowes wrote:
At 10/20/2012 3:41:37 PM, Citrakayah wrote:
Einstein was raised Jewish.

No, Einstein WAS Jewish and was raised orthodox..

Not in his later life, when he referred to himself as a Spinozism, agnostic, and disbeliever.

Even if he was Jewish for his entire life, he would still be raised Jewish.

You're confusing religion with race; Einsteins race (like Woody Allen or Henry Kissinger) was Jewish.. His parents practiced orthodoxy and so he was brought up as a practicing Jew. Even when he abandoned the faith he remained a Jew.

... You seriously think Judaism is a race?

No, Jewry is a race, Judaism is their religion.
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10/21/2012 1:24:00 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
I have a hard time believing Einstein would say we evolved "from a monkey". And who the hell recorded this conversation lol
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10/21/2012 1:51:04 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
The person who posted this topic needs to reconsider the context.........

"Professor, do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?"

Modern day Humans (Homo Sapiens Sapiens) did not evolve from "monkeys" they evolved from they earlier form of hominids known as "Homo heidelbergensis"

Homo heidelbergensis evolved from Homo antecessor which evolved from Homo erectus which evolved from Homo habilis which evolved from Australopithecines
which evolved from Kenyanthropus platyops which evolved from Australopithecus afarensis which evolved from Ardipithecus which evolved from Sahelanthropus tchadensis which evolved from Pierolapithecus catalaunicus which evolved from Proconsul africanus which evolved from Aegyptopithecus the last monkey on the timeline of human evolution.........
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10/21/2012 5:57:52 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/21/2012 8:34:19 AM, PARADIGM_L0ST wrote:
10 billion dollars this conversation never took place, and 40 billion dollars Einstein never said it.

Mmm... mmm. mmmm.... Lying for Jesus is still lying,

Interesting. You automatically accuse me of lying. Perhaps my source was lying, but if he was, then i am mistaken, not lying.
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