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10/30/2012 8:32:46 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Only I can judge God. I is you if you choose to be.

Using the term --- I am here means you. This applies to all of us. You are ( I ) to you as I am I to me. Only you then can judge the God construct that you see as you evaluate what you know of God.

Jesus said that at the end of days he would return. He meant in spirit only. Not a physical manifestation. He also said that the time of the end was at hand and that the temple of God was within each of us. The tern spirit represents, the spirit of the law, what is written in the hearts, ---- God in other words, ---- is defined as laws and rules and such as they are the only thing you can follow at all times, ---- and these are set by you and you are in effect ruling yourself in terms of following the God construct you have developed.

Jesus is telling you that you and your heart are the only things of importance in terms of leadership as it is the rules you have accepted as worthy of following. Jesus warned that at end times there would be a number of Jesus" to choose from and morality is what you will have to choose from.

That is why I think it important to evaluate what Jesus said and determine if it is worthy and moral or not.

Jesus Christ. Madman or something worse.

Below, Bishop Spong speaks of basically redefining Christianity. Going from a church or religious thinking, to a more spiritual or heart felt thinking. I also urge Christianity to change because it is now too immoral to ignore with today"s mentality. It"s overall policies are immoral in my view. The God of war must die and Jesus declared the full and only God that is required and that the noble lie of politics should be revoked to let all know that the God you likely know was always a myth. This may be a good time for you to contemplate such a move as many Christians haves rejected the O.T. God and only focus on Jesus and loving policies.

Bishop Spong speaks well to this issue.

Apotheosis means just recognizing that you are on a journey of being your own God. Some few will have help from God on this through a real apotheosis but only the very few it seems. You cannot get away from that fact so you may as well forget about fantasy, miracles and magic. They were never real and you are the strongest force you will ever know. After all, who but you can make you want to do anything voluntarily? There is no other force that can do this and therefore you are God in the real sense of being master of yourself. If that does not compute with you then remember that A & E became as Gods, God"s own words, and yours is the same birth rite. Throw it away if you wish. You cannot reject the knowledge of good and evil so I cannot fathom why you would throw away the fact that you as well can become as Gods.

The moral of Jesus and his sacrifice is that we should accept being God, and ruling ourselves even against a government if needs be. Become archetypal Moses and face government and declare that it faces one as great as itself. That is what being a free man is all about.

The time of the end is when Jesus becomes your God on earth, ---- again this is you, --- who takes the place of the mythical heavenly God of war. Jesus/you, as the way, the man"s way of judging first, not some absentee God"s unknown standard. Your covenant with yourself is to be the new covenant. Man answering to man and himself. Not to some unknown God.

This clip from J. Haidt shows that we instinctively share God"s morals. In this we are truly Gods and children of God.

http://blog.ted.com...

I am God because I am the only one who is capable of judging the God I know.
You are a God in your own rite as you are the only one who is capable of judging the God you know.

The Noble Lie is firmly in place and manipulating your thinking. Discard it. In this day and age we do not need it the way we may have in the past.

The Noble Lie.
In politics a noble lie is a myth or untruth, often, but not invariably, of a religious nature, knowingly told by an elite to maintain social harmony or to advance an agenda.

As a Gnostic Christian, this theology/philosophy is quite natural to me and can be for all people.

Try thinking as the God that you are. Stop being a sheep and rise to your true inheritance as a shepherd. That is the message Jesus wants you to recognize.

Regards
DL

P.S.
Listen to Jesus and hear for the first time in your life.
Ps 82:6 I said, "You are gods, And all of you are sons of the Most High.
Hosea 1:10 Ye are the sons of the living God.
Do you think that sons of God are destined to be sheep or shepherds?
Jesus was written to empower us. Not enslave us. Do not waste what he gave.
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11/6/2012 1:49:41 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/30/2012 8:32:46 PM, GreatestIam wrote:
Below, Bishop Spong speaks of basically redefining Christianity. Going from a church or religious thinking, to a more spiritual or heart felt thinking. I also urge Christianity to change because it is now too immoral to ignore with today"s mentality. It"s overall policies are immoral in my view.

I don't think Christianity should change; I think John Spong should just stop calling himself a Christian. If people don't agree with Christianity, they shouldn't try to change it; they should just abandon it. What Spong is attempting to do is create a new religion and calling it Christianity just because it shares a lot of the same vocabulary. I think he should call his religion something else since "Christianity" is already taken. That would avoid confusion.
"Not to know of what things one should demand demonstration, and of what one should not, argues want of education." ~Aristotle

"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." ~Aristotle
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11/6/2012 2:02:10 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 10/30/2012 8:32:46 PM, GreatestIam wrote:
Only I can judge God. I is you if you choose to be.

Using the term --- I am here means you. This applies to all of us. You are ( I ) to you as I am I to me. Only you then can judge the God construct that you see as you evaluate what you know of God.

Jesus said that at the end of days he would return. He meant in spirit only. Not a physical manifestation. He also said that the time of the end was at hand and that the temple of God was within each of us. The tern spirit represents, the spirit of the law, what is written in the hearts, ---- God in other words, ---- is defined as laws and rules and such as they are the only thing you can follow at all times, ---- and these are set by you and you are in effect ruling yourself in terms of following the God construct you have developed.

Jesus is telling you that you and your heart are the only things of importance in terms of leadership as it is the rules you have accepted as worthy of following. Jesus warned that at end times there would be a number of Jesus" to choose from and morality is what you will have to choose from.

That is why I think it important to evaluate what Jesus said and determine if it is worthy and moral or not.

Jesus Christ. Madman or something worse.


Below, Bishop Spong speaks of basically redefining Christianity. Going from a church or religious thinking, to a more spiritual or heart felt thinking. I also urge Christianity to change because it is now too immoral to ignore with today"s mentality. It"s overall policies are immoral in my view. The God of war must die and Jesus declared the full and only God that is required and that the noble lie of politics should be revoked to let all know that the God you likely know was always a myth. This may be a good time for you to contemplate such a move as many Christians haves rejected the O.T. God and only focus on Jesus and loving policies.

Bishop Spong speaks well to this issue.


Apotheosis means just recognizing that you are on a journey of being your own God. Some few will have help from God on this through a real apotheosis but only the very few it seems. You cannot get away from that fact so you may as well forget about fantasy, miracles and magic. They were never real and you are the strongest force you will ever know. After all, who but you can make you want to do anything voluntarily? There is no other force that can do this and therefore you are God in the real sense of being master of yourself. If that does not compute with you then remember that A & E became as Gods, God"s own words, and yours is the same birth rite. Throw it away if you wish. You cannot reject the knowledge of good and evil so I cannot fathom why you would throw away the fact that you as well can become as Gods.

The moral of Jesus and his sacrifice is that we should accept being God, and ruling ourselves even against a government if needs be. Become archetypal Moses and face government and declare that it faces one as great as itself. That is what being a free man is all about.

The time of the end is when Jesus becomes your God on earth, ---- again this is you, --- who takes the place of the mythical heavenly God of war. Jesus/you, as the way, the man"s way of judging first, not some absentee God"s unknown standard. Your covenant with yourself is to be the new covenant. Man answering to man and himself. Not to some unknown God.

This clip from J. Haidt shows that we instinctively share God"s morals. In this we are truly Gods and children of God.

http://blog.ted.com...

I am God because I am the only one who is capable of judging the God I know.
You are a God in your own rite as you are the only one who is capable of judging the God you know.

The Noble Lie is firmly in place and manipulating your thinking. Discard it. In this day and age we do not need it the way we may have in the past.

The Noble Lie.
In politics a noble lie is a myth or untruth, often, but not invariably, of a religious nature, knowingly told by an elite to maintain social harmony or to advance an agenda.

As a Gnostic Christian, this theology/philosophy is quite natural to me and can be for all people.

Try thinking as the God that you are. Stop being a sheep and rise to your true inheritance as a shepherd. That is the message Jesus wants you to recognize.

Regards
DL

P.S.
Listen to Jesus and hear for the first time in your life.
Ps 82:6 I said, "You are gods, And all of you are sons of the Most High.
Hosea 1:10 Ye are the sons of the living God.
Do you think that sons of God are destined to be sheep or shepherds?
Jesus was written to empower us. Not enslave us. Do not waste what he gave.

No, satan teaches us to be our own god, choosing our own morality etc..

Jesus says 'you are gods' in the sense that we have the authority to forgive and show mercy etc..

We can only forgive that which we call sin, only God knows what sin is..
Everyone on the side of Truth listens to Me. (Jesus Christ)
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11/6/2012 3:10:48 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/6/2012 1:49:41 PM, philochristos wrote:
At 10/30/2012 8:32:46 PM, GreatestIam wrote:
Below, Bishop Spong speaks of basically redefining Christianity. Going from a church or religious thinking, to a more spiritual or heart felt thinking. I also urge Christianity to change because it is now too immoral to ignore with today"s mentality. It"s overall policies are immoral in my view.

I don't think Christianity should change; I think John Spong should just stop calling himself a Christian. If people don't agree with Christianity, they shouldn't try to change it; they should just abandon it. What Spong is attempting to do is create a new religion and calling it Christianity just because it shares a lot of the same vocabulary. I think he should call his religion something else since "Christianity" is already taken. That would avoid confusion.

So let the diseased church die instead of just cutting off a limb so that it can live.

I am all in on that since only progressive Christians act like Christians are supposed to.

Regards
DL
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11/6/2012 3:13:20 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Who is this 'Bishop Spong' and what exactly is he Bishop of?
'When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth; for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.' - John 16:13
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11/6/2012 3:14:50 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/6/2012 2:02:10 PM, DanielChristopherBlowes wrote:
At 10/30/2012 8:32:46 PM, GreatestIam wrote:
Only I can judge God. I is you if you choose to be.

Using the term --- I am here means you. This applies to all of us. You are ( I ) to you as I am I to me. Only you then can judge the God construct that you see as you evaluate what you know of God.

Jesus said that at the end of days he would return. He meant in spirit only. Not a physical manifestation. He also said that the time of the end was at hand and that the temple of God was within each of us. The tern spirit represents, the spirit of the law, what is written in the hearts, ---- God in other words, ---- is defined as laws and rules and such as they are the only thing you can follow at all times, ---- and these are set by you and you are in effect ruling yourself in terms of following the God construct you have developed.

Jesus is telling you that you and your heart are the only things of importance in terms of leadership as it is the rules you have accepted as worthy of following. Jesus warned that at end times there would be a number of Jesus" to choose from and morality is what you will have to choose from.

That is why I think it important to evaluate what Jesus said and determine if it is worthy and moral or not.

Jesus Christ. Madman or something worse.


Below, Bishop Spong speaks of basically redefining Christianity. Going from a church or religious thinking, to a more spiritual or heart felt thinking. I also urge Christianity to change because it is now too immoral to ignore with today"s mentality. It"s overall policies are immoral in my view. The God of war must die and Jesus declared the full and only God that is required and that the noble lie of politics should be revoked to let all know that the God you likely know was always a myth. This may be a good time for you to contemplate such a move as many Christians haves rejected the O.T. God and only focus on Jesus and loving policies.

Bishop Spong speaks well to this issue.


Apotheosis means just recognizing that you are on a journey of being your own God. Some few will have help from God on this through a real apotheosis but only the very few it seems. You cannot get away from that fact so you may as well forget about fantasy, miracles and magic. They were never real and you are the strongest force you will ever know. After all, who but you can make you want to do anything voluntarily? There is no other force that can do this and therefore you are God in the real sense of being master of yourself. If that does not compute with you then remember that A & E became as Gods, God"s own words, and yours is the same birth rite. Throw it away if you wish. You cannot reject the knowledge of good and evil so I cannot fathom why you would throw away the fact that you as well can become as Gods.

The moral of Jesus and his sacrifice is that we should accept being God, and ruling ourselves even against a government if needs be. Become archetypal Moses and face government and declare that it faces one as great as itself. That is what being a free man is all about.

The time of the end is when Jesus becomes your God on earth, ---- again this is you, --- who takes the place of the mythical heavenly God of war. Jesus/you, as the way, the man"s way of judging first, not some absentee God"s unknown standard. Your covenant with yourself is to be the new covenant. Man answering to man and himself. Not to some unknown God.

This clip from J. Haidt shows that we instinctively share God"s morals. In this we are truly Gods and children of God.

http://blog.ted.com...

I am God because I am the only one who is capable of judging the God I know.
You are a God in your own rite as you are the only one who is capable of judging the God you know.

The Noble Lie is firmly in place and manipulating your thinking. Discard it. In this day and age we do not need it the way we may have in the past.

The Noble Lie.
In politics a noble lie is a myth or untruth, often, but not invariably, of a religious nature, knowingly told by an elite to maintain social harmony or to advance an agenda.

As a Gnostic Christian, this theology/philosophy is quite natural to me and can be for all people.

Try thinking as the God that you are. Stop being a sheep and rise to your true inheritance as a shepherd. That is the message Jesus wants you to recognize.

Regards
DL

P.S.
Listen to Jesus and hear for the first time in your life.
Ps 82:6 I said, "You are gods, And all of you are sons of the Most High.
Hosea 1:10 Ye are the sons of the living God.
Do you think that sons of God are destined to be sheep or shepherds?
Jesus was written to empower us. Not enslave us. Do not waste what he gave.

No, satan teaches us to be our own god, choosing our own morality etc..

Jesus says 'you are gods' in the sense that we have the authority to forgive and show mercy etc..

We can only forgive that which we call sin, only God knows what sin is..

Come on, Satan can't be that bad....God has the power to wipe him out, but he keeps him alive deceiving all of us! It seems he's God's right hand man!
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11/6/2012 3:15:48 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/6/2012 3:10:48 PM, GreatestIam wrote:
At 11/6/2012 1:49:41 PM, philochristos wrote:
At 10/30/2012 8:32:46 PM, GreatestIam wrote:
Below, Bishop Spong speaks of basically redefining Christianity. Going from a church or religious thinking, to a more spiritual or heart felt thinking. I also urge Christianity to change because it is now too immoral to ignore with today"s mentality. It"s overall policies are immoral in my view.

I don't think Christianity should change; I think John Spong should just stop calling himself a Christian. If people don't agree with Christianity, they shouldn't try to change it; they should just abandon it. What Spong is attempting to do is create a new religion and calling it Christianity just because it shares a lot of the same vocabulary. I think he should call his religion something else since "Christianity" is already taken. That would avoid confusion.

So let the diseased church die instead of just cutting off a limb so that it can live.

I am all in on that since only progressive Christians act like Christians are supposed to.

Regards
DL

A Christian obeys Christ.
Everyone on the side of Truth listens to Me. (Jesus Christ)
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11/6/2012 3:18:32 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/6/2012 2:02:10 PM, DanielChristopherBlowes wrote:


No, satan teaches us to be our own god, choosing our own morality etc..

Jesus says 'you are gods' in the sense that we have the authority to forgive and show mercy etc..

We can only forgive that which we call sin, only God knows what sin is..

Good. Then if he is keeping us in the dark and he cannot punish us for doing what he calls sin since he has not told us what those are.

We finally agree on something unless you think we should be punished for doing what we do not know we should not do.

We both agree that that would be quite unfair.

That being the case. I just might debate you on how God was unfair to A & E as they did not know what was right or wrong without first eating of the tree of the knowledge of right and wrong or good and evil.

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DL
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11/6/2012 3:20:34 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/6/2012 3:13:20 PM, AlwaysMoreThanYou wrote:
Who is this 'Bishop Spong' and what exactly is he Bishop of?

One of the manny protestant sects. Google will tell you.
In fact I think it is mentioned in that link.

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11/6/2012 3:23:40 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/6/2012 3:15:48 PM, DanielChristopherBlowes wrote:
At 11/6/2012 3:10:48 PM, GreatestIam wrote:
At 11/6/2012 1:49:41 PM, philochristos wrote:
At 10/30/2012 8:32:46 PM, GreatestIam wrote:
Below, Bishop Spong speaks of basically redefining Christianity. Going from a church or religious thinking, to a more spiritual or heart felt thinking. I also urge Christianity to change because it is now too immoral to ignore with today"s mentality. It"s overall policies are immoral in my view.

I don't think Christianity should change; I think John Spong should just stop calling himself a Christian. If people don't agree with Christianity, they shouldn't try to change it; they should just abandon it. What Spong is attempting to do is create a new religion and calling it Christianity just because it shares a lot of the same vocabulary. I think he should call his religion something else since "Christianity" is already taken. That would avoid confusion.

So let the diseased church die instead of just cutting off a limb so that it can live.

I am all in on that since only progressive Christians act like Christians are supposed to.

Regards
DL

A Christian obeys Christ.

You have just said that Christianity does not exist then.
Ghandi will be pleased. He liked Christ but was not fond of Christians.

Regards
DL
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11/6/2012 3:31:46 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/6/2012 3:13:20 PM, AlwaysMoreThanYou wrote:
Who is this 'Bishop Spong' and what exactly is he Bishop of?

He used to be an Episcopalian Bishop. He's retired now. But he's the author of a lot of popular books, advocating a very liberal form of "Christianity." For example, he denies that the historical Jesus considered himself to be the messiah, he denies that Jesus' death on the cross really atoned for sins, and he denies the literal bodily resurrection of Jesus. It's questionable whether he even believes in God except as a theological projection. He was also one of the fellows of the Jesus Seminar.
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"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." ~Aristotle
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11/6/2012 3:33:12 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/6/2012 3:10:48 PM, GreatestIam wrote:
At 11/6/2012 1:49:41 PM, philochristos wrote:
At 10/30/2012 8:32:46 PM, GreatestIam wrote:
Below, Bishop Spong speaks of basically redefining Christianity. Going from a church or religious thinking, to a more spiritual or heart felt thinking. I also urge Christianity to change because it is now too immoral to ignore with today"s mentality. It"s overall policies are immoral in my view.

I don't think Christianity should change; I think John Spong should just stop calling himself a Christian. If people don't agree with Christianity, they shouldn't try to change it; they should just abandon it. What Spong is attempting to do is create a new religion and calling it Christianity just because it shares a lot of the same vocabulary. I think he should call his religion something else since "Christianity" is already taken. That would avoid confusion.

So let the diseased church die instead of just cutting off a limb so that it can live.

I am all in on that since only progressive Christians act like Christians are supposed to.

Regards
DL


How are Christians supposed to act? I assume you've taken the time to asses every Christian on planet to come to this conclusion.
: At 10/23/2012 8:06:03 PM, tvellalott wrote:
: Don't be. The Catholic Church is ran by Darth Sidius for fvck sake. As far as I'm concerned, you're a bona fide member of the Sith.
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11/6/2012 3:39:58 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/6/2012 3:10:48 PM, GreatestIam wrote:
At 11/6/2012 1:49:41 PM, philochristos wrote:
I don't think Christianity should change; I think John Spong should just stop calling himself a Christian. If people don't agree with Christianity, they shouldn't try to change it; they should just abandon it. What Spong is attempting to do is create a new religion and calling it Christianity just because it shares a lot of the same vocabulary. I think he should call his religion something else since "Christianity" is already taken. That would avoid confusion.

So let the diseased church die instead of just cutting off a limb so that it can live.

I don't see any point in "saving" Christianity if Christianity is not true. Inventing a whole different worldview, and calling it "Christianity" is not what I call saving Christianity, and I see no point in it.

I am all in on that since only progressive Christians act like Christians are supposed to.

What is usually called "progressive Christianity" isn't really Christianity at all.
"Not to know of what things one should demand demonstration, and of what one should not, argues want of education." ~Aristotle

"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." ~Aristotle
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11/6/2012 3:52:54 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/6/2012 3:23:40 PM, GreatestIam wrote:
At 11/6/2012 3:15:48 PM, DanielChristopherBlowes wrote:
At 11/6/2012 3:10:48 PM, GreatestIam wrote:
At 11/6/2012 1:49:41 PM, philochristos wrote:
At 10/30/2012 8:32:46 PM, GreatestIam wrote:
Below, Bishop Spong speaks of basically redefining Christianity. Going from a church or religious thinking, to a more spiritual or heart felt thinking. I also urge Christianity to change because it is now too immoral to ignore with today"s mentality. It"s overall policies are immoral in my view.

I don't think Christianity should change; I think John Spong should just stop calling himself a Christian. If people don't agree with Christianity, they shouldn't try to change it; they should just abandon it. What Spong is attempting to do is create a new religion and calling it Christianity just because it shares a lot of the same vocabulary. I think he should call his religion something else since "Christianity" is already taken. That would avoid confusion.

So let the diseased church die instead of just cutting off a limb so that it can live.

I am all in on that since only progressive Christians act like Christians are supposed to.

Regards
DL

A Christian obeys Christ.

You have just said that Christianity does not exist then.
Ghandi will be pleased. He liked Christ but was not fond of Christians.

Regards
DL

Obeys Christ in forgiving others that he/she will be forgiven..

The first thing to understand is that Christianity is impossible; to love your neighbour as yourself, to not let your heart be troubled, not to fear etc..

So we stand in Christ's light as we are and receive His strength and His spirit to overcome..
Everyone on the side of Truth listens to Me. (Jesus Christ)
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11/6/2012 6:01:26 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/6/2012 3:33:12 PM, Paradox_7 wrote:
At 11/6/2012 3:10:48 PM, GreatestIam wrote:
At 11/6/2012 1:49:41 PM, philochristos wrote:
At 10/30/2012 8:32:46 PM, GreatestIam wrote:
Below, Bishop Spong speaks of basically redefining Christianity. Going from a church or religious thinking, to a more spiritual or heart felt thinking. I also urge Christianity to change because it is now too immoral to ignore with today"s mentality. It"s overall policies are immoral in my view.

I don't think Christianity should change; I think John Spong should just stop calling himself a Christian. If people don't agree with Christianity, they shouldn't try to change it; they should just abandon it. What Spong is attempting to do is create a new religion and calling it Christianity just because it shares a lot of the same vocabulary. I think he should call his religion something else since "Christianity" is already taken. That would avoid confusion.

So let the diseased church die instead of just cutting off a limb so that it can live.

I am all in on that since only progressive Christians act like Christians are supposed to.

Regards
DL


How are Christians supposed to act? I assume you've taken the time to asses every Christian on planet to come to this conclusion.

Of course. I know every literalist Christian by his immoral smell. They get it from riding their scapegoats.

Regards
DL
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11/6/2012 6:08:08 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/6/2012 3:39:58 PM, philochristos wrote:
At 11/6/2012 3:10:48 PM, GreatestIam wrote:
At 11/6/2012 1:49:41 PM, philochristos wrote:
I don't think Christianity should change; I think John Spong should just stop calling himself a Christian. If people don't agree with Christianity, they shouldn't try to change it; they should just abandon it. What Spong is attempting to do is create a new religion and calling it Christianity just because it shares a lot of the same vocabulary. I think he should call his religion something else since "Christianity" is already taken. That would avoid confusion.

So let the diseased church die instead of just cutting off a limb so that it can live.

I don't see any point in "saving" Christianity if Christianity is not true. Inventing a whole different worldview, and calling it "Christianity" is not what I call saving Christianity, and I see no point in it.

I am all in on that since only progressive Christians act like Christians are supposed to.

What is usually called "progressive Christianity" isn't really Christianity at all.

Just the point that most people seem to crave a God. A hope against this mundane life perhaps or this professor might be right.

The other major force today, as it was when Rome invented Jesus and their version of Christianity, is the Noble Lie.

I will add these clips to the mix for your consideration. They show who put what in Jesus' mouth and how Christianity has been manipulated. The first which is part of the second speaks to my Gnostic Christian label and the second shows my view of religions overall and the Noble Lie that I think we and our governments should rescind. The third clip speaks to the reason that religions were invented in the first place as it shows why social control was required for city states that had to deal with the reality of finite resources. I see these city states as led by a timocratic king who through the religion that he would have created, also realized that there had to be a tyrannical part to his benevolent duty and created a religion to be just that.

I see the King/God as having to have the morals shown in the Haigt clip.

http://blog.ted.com...

He would have to create his religion as expressed through his high priest/tyrant who would live by the first commandment of God, place no one above me as the enforcer of his King/God's rules and laws while still obeying his King. The larger Roman system would later assume the same system through the Noble Lie. First through the Flavians and later through Constantine.

http://www.simchajtv.com...

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11/6/2012 6:10:37 PM
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At 11/6/2012 3:52:54 PM, DanielChristopherBlowes wrote:

Obeys Christ in forgiving others that he/she will be forgiven..

The first thing to understand is that Christianity is impossible; to love your neighbour as yourself, to not let your heart be troubled, not to fear etc..

So we stand in Christ's light as we are and receive His strength and His spirit to overcome..

Ya ya. Anything at all as long as you don't have to face adulthood and stand on your own two feet.

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11/6/2012 6:25:34 PM
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At 11/6/2012 1:49:41 PM, philochristos wrote:
At 10/30/2012 8:32:46 PM, GreatestIam wrote:
Below, Bishop Spong speaks of basically redefining Christianity. Going from a church or religious thinking, to a more spiritual or heart felt thinking. I also urge Christianity to change because it is now too immoral to ignore with today"s mentality. It"s overall policies are immoral in my view.

I don't think Christianity should change; I think John Spong should just stop calling himself a Christian.

There ya go. And he can stop callin' himself a bishop while he's at it.

If people don't agree with Christianity, they shouldn't try to change it; they should just abandon it.

Well, certain aspects should be changed or reformed to better coincide with New Testament teaching and example.

What Spong is attempting to do is create a new religion and calling it Christianity just because it shares a lot of the same vocabulary.

Correct.

I think he should call his religion something else since "Christianity" is already taken. That would avoid confusion.

Correct again.
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11/7/2012 2:30:59 AM
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At 11/6/2012 2:02:10 PM, DanielChristopherBlowes wrote:
No, satan teaches us to be our own god, choosing our own morality etc..

Me Composer the ongoing successful Cult buster: My YLT & E. Diaglott makes NO reference to the Hebrew Term ' Satan ' in their narrative so to them this ' Satan ' doesn't exist!

In Story books that do mention the Hebrew Term Satan, the greatest Satan of all Satans = bible Story book god!

At 11/6/2012 2:02:10 PM, DanielChristopherBlowes wrote:
Jesus says 'you are gods' in the sense that we have the authority to forgive and show mercy etc..

Me Composer the ongoing successful Cult buster: Story book Land fantasy!

Your mentor & literal Saviour moi!
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11/7/2012 8:16:21 AM
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At 11/6/2012 6:10:37 PM, GreatestIam wrote:
At 11/6/2012 3:52:54 PM, DanielChristopherBlowes wrote:

Obeys Christ in forgiving others that he/she will be forgiven..

The first thing to understand is that Christianity is impossible; to love your neighbour as yourself, to not let your heart be troubled, not to fear etc..

So we stand in Christ's light as we are and receive His strength and His spirit to overcome..

Ya ya. Anything at all as long as you don't have to face adulthood and stand on your own two feet.

Regards
DL

That exactly what satan was selling in the garden; independence from God.. And it is Sin.

Jesus, by His sinless life, death and resurrection, has taken away this Sin.. We must put Him above us.
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11/7/2012 9:34:33 AM
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At 11/7/2012 2:30:59 AM, Composer wrote:
At 11/6/2012 2:02:10 PM, DanielChristopherBlowes wrote:
No, satan teaches us to be our own god, choosing our own morality etc..

Me Composer the ongoing successful Cult buster: My YLT & E. Diaglott makes NO reference to the Hebrew Term ' Satan ' in their narrative so to them this ' Satan ' doesn't exist!

In Story books that do mention the Hebrew Term Satan, the greatest Satan of all Satans = bible Story book god!
already proved wrong.


At 11/6/2012 2:02:10 PM, DanielChristopherBlowes wrote:
Jesus says 'you are gods' in the sense that we have the authority to forgive and show mercy etc..

Me Composer the ongoing successful Cult buster: Story book Land fantasy!
Bare assertion.

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11/7/2012 2:32:49 PM
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At 11/7/2012 8:16:21 AM, DanielChristopherBlowes wrote:
At 11/6/2012 6:10:37 PM, GreatestIam wrote:
At 11/6/2012 3:52:54 PM, DanielChristopherBlowes wrote:

Obeys Christ in forgiving others that he/she will be forgiven..

The first thing to understand is that Christianity is impossible; to love your neighbour as yourself, to not let your heart be troubled, not to fear etc..

So we stand in Christ's light as we are and receive His strength and His spirit to overcome..

Ya ya. Anything at all as long as you don't have to face adulthood and stand on your own two feet.

Regards
DL

That exactly what satan was selling in the garden; independence from God.. And it is Sin.

Jesus, by His sinless life, death and resurrection, has taken away this Sin.. We must put Him above us.

Rather hard to put your scapegoat above you when you are ridding him.

Regards
DL
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11/7/2012 3:43:17 PM
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At 11/7/2012 2:32:49 PM, GreatestIam wrote:
At 11/7/2012 8:16:21 AM, DanielChristopherBlowes wrote:
At 11/6/2012 6:10:37 PM, GreatestIam wrote:
At 11/6/2012 3:52:54 PM, DanielChristopherBlowes wrote:

Obeys Christ in forgiving others that he/she will be forgiven..

The first thing to understand is that Christianity is impossible; to love your neighbour as yourself, to not let your heart be troubled, not to fear etc..

So we stand in Christ's light as we are and receive His strength and His spirit to overcome..

Ya ya. Anything at all as long as you don't have to face adulthood and stand on your own two feet.

Regards
DL

That exactly what satan was selling in the garden; independence from God.. And it is Sin.

Jesus, by His sinless life, death and resurrection, has taken away this Sin.. We must put Him above us.

Rather hard to put your scapegoat above you when you are ridding him.

Regards
DL

God just wants to be God, not too much too ask is it?
Everyone on the side of Truth listens to Me. (Jesus Christ)
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11/8/2012 6:46:32 PM
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At 11/7/2012 3:43:17 PM, DanielChristopherBlowes wrote:
At 11/7/2012 2:32:49 PM, GreatestIam wrote:
At 11/7/2012 8:16:21 AM, DanielChristopherBlowes wrote:
At 11/6/2012 6:10:37 PM, GreatestIam wrote:
At 11/6/2012 3:52:54 PM, DanielChristopherBlowes wrote:

Obeys Christ in forgiving others that he/she will be forgiven..

The first thing to understand is that Christianity is impossible; to love your neighbour as yourself, to not let your heart be troubled, not to fear etc..

So we stand in Christ's light as we are and receive His strength and His spirit to overcome..

Ya ya. Anything at all as long as you don't have to face adulthood and stand on your own two feet.

Regards
DL

That exactly what satan was selling in the garden; independence from God.. And it is Sin.

Jesus, by His sinless life, death and resurrection, has taken away this Sin.. We must put Him above us.

Rather hard to put your scapegoat above you when you are ridding him.

Regards
DL

God just wants to be God, not too much too ask is it?

All the fool has to do is show up. Right?

Regards
DL
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11/9/2012 4:10:12 PM
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At 11/8/2012 6:46:32 PM, GreatestIam wrote:
At 11/7/2012 3:43:17 PM, DanielChristopherBlowes wrote:
At 11/7/2012 2:32:49 PM, GreatestIam wrote:
At 11/7/2012 8:16:21 AM, DanielChristopherBlowes wrote:
At 11/6/2012 6:10:37 PM, GreatestIam wrote:
At 11/6/2012 3:52:54 PM, DanielChristopherBlowes wrote:

Obeys Christ in forgiving others that he/she will be forgiven..

The first thing to understand is that Christianity is impossible; to love your neighbour as yourself, to not let your heart be troubled, not to fear etc..

So we stand in Christ's light as we are and receive His strength and His spirit to overcome..

Ya ya. Anything at all as long as you don't have to face adulthood and stand on your own two feet.

Regards
DL

That exactly what satan was selling in the garden; independence from God.. And it is Sin.

Jesus, by His sinless life, death and resurrection, has taken away this Sin.. We must put Him above us.

Rather hard to put your scapegoat above you when you are ridding him.

Regards
DL

God just wants to be God, not too much too ask is it?

All the fool has to do is show up. Right?

Regards
DL

He did already!
Everyone on the side of Truth listens to Me. (Jesus Christ)