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Religion and Success

000ike
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11/14/2012 7:31:05 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Amid the vast international disparities in the modern world, we have to take a critical look at what actually makes some countries great, and others, not so great. Where does success come from? I think it would be remiss to keep the conversation only about policy and wealth. Success is built from the bottom up, from the core social philosophy of the common people to the content of their Constitution. And as history will have it, the freer, the less despotic, and the more tolerant a country's culture (not even necessarily its policy) is, the more successful it becomes. And when that country begins to veer into autocracy and uniformity, then its success begins to wane. Much of the initial success of the Roman Empire was due to the polyethnic populace and adoption of hellenistic republican governing styles.

So why is the middle east suffering so much? ......Islam. Islam is among the most invasive, despotic, and factually preposterous religions in human history. It was not enough that it concocted a set of falsities it damned upon its followers, but it took over civilized live and basic human dignity. It forced conformity and uniformity. If forced people to be silent and obedient. It bans education for women. It prevents woman from having any semblance of authority or power over themselves or anyone else. So until this culture of misanthropic evil is permanently expelled from the purview of decency, the Middle East will be war-ridden. The middle East will unfortunately continue to suffer. Maybe some day the religion may receive the same vetting as modern Christianity and adopt freer and more sensible practices without compromising its beliefs. But until then, those countries will suffer.

Where there is no freedom....there will be war.
"A stupid despot may constrain his slaves with iron chains; but a true politician binds them even more strongly with the chain of their own ideas" - Michel Foucault
devotchka
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11/14/2012 8:19:25 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/14/2012 7:31:05 PM, 000ike wrote:
Amid the vast international disparities in the modern world, we have to take a critical look at what actually makes some countries great, and others, not so great. Where does success come from? I think it would be remiss to keep the conversation only about policy and wealth. Success is built from the bottom up, from the core social philosophy of the common people to the content of their Constitution. And as history will have it, the freer, the less despotic, and the more tolerant a country's culture (not even necessarily its policy) is, the more successful it becomes. And when that country begins to veer into autocracy and uniformity, then its success begins to wane. Much of the initial success of the Roman Empire was due to the polyethnic populace and adoption of hellenistic republican governing styles.

So why is the middle east suffering so much? ......Islam. Islam is among the most invasive, despotic, and factually preposterous religions in human history. It was not enough that it concocted a set of falsities it damned upon its followers, but it took over civilized live and basic human dignity. It forced conformity and uniformity. If forced people to be silent and obedient. It bans education for women. It prevents woman from having any semblance of authority or power over themselves or anyone else. So until this culture of misanthropic evil is permanently expelled from the purview of decency, the Middle East will be war-ridden. The middle East will unfortunately continue to suffer. Maybe some day the religion may receive the same vetting as modern Christianity and adopt freer and more sensible practices without compromising its beliefs. But until then, those countries will suffer.


Where there is no freedom....there will be war.

Interesting point, which I wholeheartedly agree upon. However...

It would be ill-advised to suggest that the effects of religion stem only to countries under the guise of Islam. Christian - influenced countries and areas befall similar traits, though I agree, not on such as extremist level, IE;

Condemning of homosexuality
Fornication, for means other than pro-creation
Abortion as a "sin"

And various other things, which aren't solely indemnified by Islam, or Muslim teachings. These often are, and do, carry over into various other religious sects. Also, to suggest that Christianity has become more "free" would be slightly absurd, as in certain countries stoning and torture is still commonplace for sinning, albeit not in most, if any, western civilisation.

Religion is not something which can be outlawed statistically, or in a governance of a country, it is a personal choice, absorbed by many, glorifying and multiplying one set of teachings, it's not until all religious is wiped out, that we can hope for any kind of compromise, or fruitful life.