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The Truth About Noah and the "Worldwide Flood

Murphy
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11/20/2012 3:43:49 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
Indeed, ignorance of the Bible will lead somebody to "wrestle" the word of God!

(2 Peter 3:16)"As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other Scriptures, unto their own destruction."

Note that the unlearned are the ones that "wrest" or twist the word of God.In our world today, in spite of the advancement in knowledge and technology, there are some sectors of human society that live in their own chosen world understanding only their own adapted language.These are the imaginary people that believe that God is imaginary.Their brains are neither flexible nor elastic.A rubber band can be elastic to accommodate a bundle of money not normally intended for it to bind.So long as it has not reached the point of its perfect elasticity, you can always rely that a rubber band is accommodating.But what is frustrating is that there are people lesser in degree of elasticity than a rubber band without brains!They have read in the Bible the word "earth" and because of their ignorance, they readily presumed that it pertains to the whole planet earth; and because of their "non-elastic mind", they have this to say:

"THERE WAS NEVER A WORLDWIDE FLOOD THAT COVERED MOUNT EVEREST LIKE THE BIBLE SAYS"
Nowhere in the Bible can you find any verse that speaks of a "worldwide flood".What is in the Bible are the following informations:

(Genesis 7:10-12)"And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth. In the six hundredth year of Noah"s life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered."

(Genesis 7:17-20)"And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bore up the ark, and it was lifted up above the earth.And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters.And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered."

Nowhere in these verses mentioned can you find a hint of a "worldwide flood".The flood was "upon the earth".All throughout theses verses the word earth was used.The earth or "erets" in Hebrew, means:

"erets

eh"-rets

From an unused root probably meaning to be firm; the earth (at large, or partitively a land): -X common, country, earth, field, ground, land, X nations, way, + wilderness, world. (Dictionaries of Hebrew and Greek Words taken from Strong"s Exhaustive Concordance by James Strong, S.T.D., LL.D., 1890.)

The word "erets" may mean "partitively, a land, a country, a field, a ground, etc.Notice Genesis 1:10, which says;

"And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good."

The dry land that God caused to appear on the surface of the waters which He called "seas", He called earth " "erets"!Note that the "earth" here does not include the seas.

The flood that happened in the time of Noah flooded the "erets" and not the seas"Of course, YOU DO NOT FLOOD THE SEAS! So, this is not a worldwide flood as these imaginary idiots claim. I hope they will not be offended because they are imaginary.

The Bible has a unique language.It was written to be read, first by the people of the then known world.In the time of the apostle Paul, he said:

(Colossians 1:23)"If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard,and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister""

Here, he used the past tense of the word "kerusso".Paul is confident when he wrote to the Colossians that he was able to preach the Gospel to "every" creature which is under heaven.At about the same time that Paul was preaching the gospel to the known world (the world of the Roman Empire), the famous Rice Terraces in Banaue, Mountain Province in the Philippines is being built by the Ifugaos, one of the aborigines of the Filipinos.

The Banaue Rice Terraces are 2000-year old terraces that were carved into the mountains of Ifugao in the Philippines by ancestors of the Batad indigenous people. It is commonly thought that the terraces were built with minimal equipment, largely by hand. The terraces are located approximately 1500 meters (5000 feet) above sea level and cover 10,360 square kilometers (about 4000 square miles) of mountainside. They are fed by an ancient irrigation system from the rainforests above the terraces.

(http://en.wikipedia.org...)

But Paul did not reach the Philippines, or the Americas, so, having flexibility in mind in understanding the language of the Bible we can discern that what the apostle Paul means when he said he "preached the gospel to every creature under heaven", is to the people only of the known world then.Incidentally, the Philippines was discovered only in the sixteenth century by the Europeans led by Ferdinand Magellan.

When the Bible classified the bats (Leviticus 11:13,19) as belonging to the "oph" (Hebrew), it means that it is classified with those "as covering with wings" or those "that flieth".

ôph

From H5774; a bird (as covered with feathers, or rather as covering with wings), often collective: " bird, that flieth, flying, fowl (Dictionaries of Hebrew and Greek Words taken from Strong"s Exhaustive Concordance by James Strong, S.T.D., LL.D., 1890.)

Detractors of the Bible say that it is not scientific because science classifies bats as belonging to the mammalian group.They rely very much on science, and for them science is the final authority of what they believe.This author is not against science, but human science is not as exact as "divine science" in the Scriptures.

(Daniel 1:4)"Children in whom was no blemish, but well favored, and skillful in all wisdom, and cunning in knowledge, and understanding science, and such as had ability in them to stand in the king"s palace, and whom they might teach the learning and the tongue of the Chaldeans."

Human science has classified plants and animals only on the seventeenth and eighteenth century.

At any one time in history, there are millions of different kinds of plants and animals in the world. In 1753, a scientist in Sweden named Carolus Linnaeus thought of an orderly system for classifying plants and animals. He grouped all organisms according to a two-part name (binomial). The first part of the name is the "generic" grouping or genus. The second part is the "specific" grouping or species. Scientists today still use this basic idea of his system, but modern classifications systems are much more complicated having many levels of hierarchical organization. For example, taxonomic systems group organisms according to structure and physiological connections between organisms.(http://www.fi.edu...)

Before these times, the acceptable classifications for bats, because they fly, is that they belong to the "ophs" or the fowls, or the birds.The book of Leviticus was written almost 2500 years before classifications in human science came.Note that the classification introduced by Linnaeus employs two basic ideas: the "generic" and the "specific".The classification used in the Bible is exactly generic, and therefore, in a way, scientific! After all, the word mammal is not in the Bible! The word mammalia was coined by Linnaeus only in 1758!

Mammalia (1773), coined 1758 by Linnaeus for the class of mammals, from neut. pl. of L.L. mammalis "of the breast," from L. mamma "breast," perhaps cognate with mamma.
Muted
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11/20/2012 5:01:42 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
fascinating. You say that no where in the Bible does it say 'worldwide flood.' in the same post, you talk about mammalia and why its not in the bible. I doubt the need to elaborate on this.

Now, how does a local flood (oh, the bible doesn't say 'local flood' either) cover the mountains? The Hebrews had a word for 'hill' as well, so it could not have been hills.
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DanielChristopherBlowes
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11/20/2012 1:24:02 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/20/2012 3:43:49 AM, Murphy wrote:
Indeed, ignorance of the Bible will lead somebody to "wrestle" the word of God!

(2 Peter 3:16)"As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other Scriptures, unto their own destruction."

Note that the unlearned are the ones that "wrest" or twist the word of God.In our world today, in spite of the advancement in knowledge and technology, there are some sectors of human society that live in their own chosen world understanding only their own adapted language.These are the imaginary people that believe that God is imaginary.Their brains are neither flexible nor elastic.A rubber band can be elastic to accommodate a bundle of money not normally intended for it to bind.So long as it has not reached the point of its perfect elasticity, you can always rely that a rubber band is accommodating.But what is frustrating is that there are people lesser in degree of elasticity than a rubber band without brains!They have read in the Bible the word "earth" and because of their ignorance, they readily presumed that it pertains to the whole planet earth; and because of their "non-elastic mind", they have this to say:

"THERE WAS NEVER A WORLDWIDE FLOOD THAT COVERED MOUNT EVEREST LIKE THE BIBLE SAYS"
Nowhere in the Bible can you find any verse that speaks of a "worldwide flood".What is in the Bible are the following informations:

(Genesis 7:10-12)"And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth. In the six hundredth year of Noah"s life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were

It covered the mountains, hence it covered everything, hence it was worldwide..
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TheFogHorn
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11/20/2012 4:26:28 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
The Great Flood covered all land on earth, every single breathing thing died except those in the arc, a male and a female of the billions of animal species were packed into the arc by ancient desert nomads, Noah was six hundred years old at the time and I am Marylin Monroe.

A tsunami kills a lot of people and animals, the supersticious survivors talk about it until the end of their days, their kids grow up re-counting the embelished tale, the grandkids, embelish a bit more, repeat 150 times and compare the original story to the one that became the 'myth'.
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11/20/2012 7:19:02 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Muted:: do you think the flood is worldwide.
The flood in the time of noe is [fifteen cubits deep]
But the mount everest is [8,848 m (29,029 ft)]
wrong analysis boy
truthseeker613
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11/20/2012 7:24:56 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/20/2012 4:26:28 PM, TheFogHorn wrote:
... a male and a female of the billions of animal species were packed into the arc by ancient desert nomads...

LOL.
http://www.nydailynews.com...

royalpaladin: I'd rather support people who kill spies than a nation that organizes assassination squads (Kidon) to illegally enter into other nations and kill anybody who is not a Zionist. Who knows when they'll kill me for the crime of not supporting Israel?

Koopin: LOL! I just imagine Royal sitting in here apartment at night, when suddenly she hears a man outside speaking Hebrew as sh
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11/20/2012 7:26:52 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/20/2012 7:19:02 PM, elisur wrote:
Muted:: do you think the flood is worldwide.
The flood in the time of noe is [fifteen cubits deep]
But the mount everest is [8,848 m (29,029 ft)]
wrong analysis boy

Your not reading it inside.
The verse did not say it was only 15 cubits deep
http://www.nydailynews.com...

royalpaladin: I'd rather support people who kill spies than a nation that organizes assassination squads (Kidon) to illegally enter into other nations and kill anybody who is not a Zionist. Who knows when they'll kill me for the crime of not supporting Israel?

Koopin: LOL! I just imagine Royal sitting in here apartment at night, when suddenly she hears a man outside speaking Hebrew as sh
DanT
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11/20/2012 7:52:46 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/20/2012 3:43:49 AM, Murphy wrote:
(Genesis 7:10-12)"And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth. In the six hundredth year of Noah"s life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered."

Only 15 cubits?
The Egyptian royal cubit was 20.6 to 20.8 inches.
The Sumerian cubit was 518.6 mm (20.4173 inches)

Let's say Mose's cubits were Egyptian (20.8 inches); the water would only rise 312 inches. That's 26 feet.

Here is a picture of people standing next to a 26 ft tall Marlyn Monroe statue;
http://ww3.hdnux.com...

Using the statue as a visual reference; it's not that hard to imagine flood waters rising 26 feet. Especially since Noah's flood date to about 4,990 BC, and at that time the Older Peron transgression caused sea levels to rise up to 14 ft. couple that with a serious storm during flood season and you got problems. In the 5th millennium BC people lived in coastal areas too; it's easy for them to imagine the end of civilization during a 26ft flood.
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11/20/2012 7:53:37 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/20/2012 7:26:52 PM, truthseeker613 wrote:
At 11/20/2012 7:19:02 PM, elisur wrote:
Muted:: do you think the flood is worldwide.
The flood in the time of noe is [fifteen cubits deep]
But the mount everest is [8,848 m (29,029 ft)]
wrong analysis boy

Your not reading it inside.
The verse did not say it was only 15 cubits deep

No it said it rose 15 cubits.
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DanielChristopherBlowes
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11/20/2012 7:55:30 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/20/2012 7:19:02 PM, elisur wrote:
Muted:: do you think the flood is worldwide.
The flood in the time of noe is [fifteen cubits deep]
But the mount everest is [8,848 m (29,029 ft)]
wrong analysis boy

No one knows if Everest was not formed after the flood..
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11/20/2012 8:25:11 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/20/2012 7:55:30 PM, DanielChristopherBlowes wrote:
At 11/20/2012 7:19:02 PM, elisur wrote:
Muted:: do you think the flood is worldwide.
The flood in the time of noe is [fifteen cubits deep]
But the mount everest is [8,848 m (29,029 ft)]
wrong analysis boy

No one knows if Everest was not formed after the flood..

Actually we do. Mt. Everest was formed by the Indian moving underneath Asia. Mt. Everest grows a quarter of an inch every year. Since Mt. Everest is 29,029 ft, we multiply 29,029 by 12, and than multiply that number by 4. Mt. Everest is therefore 1,393,392 years old.

Bazinga!
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11/20/2012 8:37:31 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/20/2012 8:25:11 PM, DanT wrote:
At 11/20/2012 7:55:30 PM, DanielChristopherBlowes wrote:
At 11/20/2012 7:19:02 PM, elisur wrote:
Muted:: do you think the flood is worldwide.
The flood in the time of noe is [fifteen cubits deep]
But the mount everest is [8,848 m (29,029 ft)]
wrong analysis boy

No one knows if Everest was not formed after the flood..

Actually we do. Mt. Everest was formed by the Indian moving underneath Asia. Mt. Everest grows a quarter of an inch every year. Since Mt. Everest is 29,029 ft, we multiply 29,029 by 12, and than multiply that number by 4. Mt. Everest is therefore 1,393,392 years old.


Bazinga!



Assuming that the rate of rise in height is constant, then you are indeed right.
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11/20/2012 8:39:21 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/20/2012 7:52:46 PM, DanT wrote:
At 11/20/2012 3:43:49 AM, Murphy wrote:
(Genesis 7:10-12)"And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth. In the six hundredth year of Noah"s life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered."

Only 15 cubits?
The Egyptian royal cubit was 20.6 to 20.8 inches.
The Sumerian cubit was 518.6 mm (20.4173 inches)

Let's say Mose's cubits were Egyptian (20.8 inches); the water would only rise 312 inches. That's 26 feet.

Here is a picture of people standing next to a 26 ft tall Marlyn Monroe statue;
http://ww3.hdnux.com...

Using the statue as a visual reference; it's not that hard to imagine flood waters rising 26 feet. Especially since Noah's flood date to about 4,990 BC, and at that time the Older Peron transgression caused sea levels to rise up to 14 ft. couple that with a serious storm during flood season and you got problems. In the 5th millennium BC people lived in coastal areas too; it's easy for them to imagine the end of civilization during a 26ft flood.

I am assuming here that it means the rise was 15 cubits above the mountain surface, which is not impossible to think of, considering plate tectonics and all...
Exterminate!!!!!!-Dalek.

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11/20/2012 10:37:01 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/20/2012 8:48:15 PM, elisur wrote:
I think truthseeker613 mistaken to his analysis...poor knoledge

Indeed....
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11/21/2012 1:14:45 AM
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i have the proof that the flood in the time of noah is not worldwide according to the "New Testament"
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11/21/2012 10:29:35 AM
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At 11/21/2012 1:14:45 AM, elisur wrote:
i have the proof that the flood in the time of noah is not worldwide according to the "New Testament"

Is it a secret?
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