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11/28/2012 7:01:18 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
Pope Decides Gay People Aren't Fully Developed Humans

These arguments against gay marriage are becoming increasingly pathetic and their methods are becoming increasingly frenetically slopped together. Thoughts on the Pope's decision?

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11/28/2012 7:27:23 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
: At 11/28/2012 7:01:18 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Pope Decides Gay People Aren't Fully Developed Humans

These arguments against gay marriage are becoming increasingly pathetic and their methods are becoming increasingly frenetically slopped together. Thoughts on the Pope's decision?


http://www.care2.com...
http://www.catholicnews.com...


It just gives Christians more fuel to persecute gay people with. It's disgusting.
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11/28/2012 7:35:00 PM
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Not a Catholic, so my Give-A-Damn-Meter is zero for this.
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11/28/2012 7:50:05 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/28/2012 7:35:00 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Not a Catholic, so my Give-A-Damn-Meter is zero for this.

Then why give any input that it is at zero? Looking for attention?
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11/28/2012 7:51:16 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/28/2012 7:27:23 PM, naturebeckles wrote:
It just gives Christians more fuel to persecute gay people with. It's disgusting.

I actually like it... in the same way I like Obamacare. This authoritarian tactic serves to further undermine, expose, and delegitimize the Catholic Church and the constantly losing "traditional marriage" cause.
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11/28/2012 8:02:16 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
There's no quote of the Pope saying that. The thread title is misleading and likely libel because it's only the result of one person's interpretation of the Pope's remarks derived from one sentence in bold saying that the Church must "promote those values that permit the full development of the human person."

No where in this does it even imply that gays aren't human, and his manner of speaking implies a reference to Aristotle, but I gotta cut this post short because I got to have dinner.
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11/28/2012 8:04:41 PM
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I read both articles. The second article doesn't say anything about the Pope deciding that gay people aren't human. The second article speculatively interprets the Pope as implying that gay people aren't fully human. That strikes me as an uncharitable interpretation meant to demonize the Pope at all cost. I'm not inclined to agree. Here is the offending part:

Perhaps most startling of his remarks on gay marriage and secularization was his saying the Church must "promote those values that permit the full development of the human person."

It seems to me a more natural interpretation of what the Pope said is that human beings cannot be fully developed unless they value heterosexual relationships over homosexual relationships. This no more denies the humanity of gay people than I would be denying the humanity of children simply by saying they are not fully developed. Notice that the Pope says, "full development of the human person." That implies just the opposite of what the article uncharitably attributes to the Pope. It implies that gay people ARE human, but just aren't fully developed in some sense. People can develop in many different senses--physically, psychologically, emotionally, morally, experientially, etc.

Why assume the worst about people? Why jump on the most uncharitable interpretation of what somebody says and then run with it as if it's true? Why not instead give people the benefit of the doubt? If the Catholic Church was really that bad, I would think you wouldn't have to use such tortured and uncharitable interpretations to demonize them.
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11/28/2012 8:19:41 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/28/2012 7:27:23 PM, naturebeckles wrote:
: At 11/28/2012 7:01:18 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Pope Decides Gay People Aren't Fully Developed Humans

These arguments against gay marriage are becoming increasingly pathetic and their methods are becoming increasingly frenetically slopped together. Thoughts on the Pope's decision?


http://www.care2.com...
http://www.catholicnews.com...


It just gives Christians more fuel to persecute gay people with. It's disgusting.

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11/28/2012 8:22:44 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/28/2012 7:01:18 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Pope Decides Gay People Aren't Fully Developed Humans

These arguments against gay marriage are becoming increasingly pathetic and their methods are becoming increasingly frenetically slopped together. Thoughts on the Pope's decision?


http://www.care2.com...
http://www.catholicnews.com...

That they aren't fully developed humans is actually an "inference". IOW, an overly dramatic interpretation of what was actually said.

Not surprisingly, the religious Pope-ette Gaga spoke to her flock as well.
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11/28/2012 9:14:01 PM
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At 11/28/2012 8:19:41 PM, TheAntidoter wrote:
At 11/28/2012 7:27:23 PM, naturebeckles wrote:
: At 11/28/2012 7:01:18 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Pope Decides Gay People Aren't Fully Developed Humans

These arguments against gay marriage are becoming increasingly pathetic and their methods are becoming increasingly frenetically slopped together. Thoughts on the Pope's decision?


http://www.care2.com...
http://www.catholicnews.com...


It just gives Christians more fuel to persecute gay people with. It's disgusting.

JUMP ON THE BANDWAGON

The only bandwagon I see is the one Christians jump on to justify their hatred.
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11/28/2012 9:17:33 PM
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At 11/28/2012 9:14:01 PM, naturebeckles wrote:
At 11/28/2012 8:19:41 PM, TheAntidoter wrote:
At 11/28/2012 7:27:23 PM, naturebeckles wrote:
: At 11/28/2012 7:01:18 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Pope Decides Gay People Aren't Fully Developed Humans

These arguments against gay marriage are becoming increasingly pathetic and their methods are becoming increasingly frenetically slopped together. Thoughts on the Pope's decision?


http://www.care2.com...
http://www.catholicnews.com...


It just gives Christians more fuel to persecute gay people with. It's disgusting.

JUMP ON THE BANDWAGON

The only bandwagon I see is the one Christians jump on to justify their hatred.

Shows how much you know.
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11/28/2012 9:25:04 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/28/2012 7:01:18 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Pope Decides Gay People Aren't Fully Developed Humans

These arguments against gay marriage are becoming increasingly pathetic and their methods are becoming increasingly frenetically slopped together. Thoughts on the Pope's decision?


http://www.care2.com...
http://www.catholicnews.com...

I side with the weather on this one.
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11/28/2012 9:26:28 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/28/2012 7:27:23 PM, naturebeckles wrote:
: At 11/28/2012 7:01:18 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Pope Decides Gay People Aren't Fully Developed Humans

These arguments against gay marriage are becoming increasingly pathetic and their methods are becoming increasingly frenetically slopped together. Thoughts on the Pope's decision?


http://www.care2.com...
http://www.catholicnews.com...


It just gives Christians more fuel to persecute gay people with. It's disgusting.

Do you think that christianity and homosexuality are at odds with one another to a significant extent?
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11/28/2012 9:33:32 PM
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Probably a good sign. I mean, many hundred years ago the Pope called for Crusades. Now, he is just dissing homosexuals. Great leap forward.
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11/28/2012 9:34:34 PM
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wtf

Get government out of marriage.
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11/28/2012 9:36:07 PM
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: At 11/28/2012 9:26:28 PM, YYW wrote:
At 11/28/2012 7:27:23 PM, naturebeckles wrote:
: At 11/28/2012 7:01:18 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Pope Decides Gay People Aren't Fully Developed Humans

These arguments against gay marriage are becoming increasingly pathetic and their methods are becoming increasingly frenetically slopped together. Thoughts on the Pope's decision?


http://www.care2.com...
http://www.catholicnews.com...


It just gives Christians more fuel to persecute gay people with. It's disgusting.

Do you think that christianity and homosexuality are at odds with one another to a significant extent?


They don't have to be. It's the wrong interpretation of the Bible along with not understanding historical context (like anything the NT says about it is more than likely mentioned because Roman soldiers often sodomized and raped people to dominate over their victims), that puts the most popular forms of conservative Christianity at odds with homosexuality.

I can't help it the loudest Christians on this board instantly had negative things to say about the article I posted on the part 1 of can homosexuals go to heaven just because its a different interpretation of what the Bible has to say about the issue (or, what it DOESN'T actually say).
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11/28/2012 9:40:53 PM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/28/2012 8:02:16 PM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
There's no quote of the Pope saying that. The thread title is misleading and likely libel because it's only the result of one person's interpretation of the Pope's remarks derived from one sentence in bold saying that the Church must "promote those values that permit the full development of the human person."

No where in this does it even imply that gays aren't human, and his manner of speaking implies a reference to Aristotle, but I gotta cut this post short because I got to have dinner.

This. I'm not a fan of his position at all but that article's title is overly sensationalist - not like that's not par for course in media, but still...
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11/28/2012 9:50:01 PM
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At 11/28/2012 9:36:07 PM, naturebeckles wrote:
: At 11/28/2012 9:26:28 PM, YYW wrote:
At 11/28/2012 7:27:23 PM, naturebeckles wrote:
: At 11/28/2012 7:01:18 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Pope Decides Gay People Aren't Fully Developed Humans

These arguments against gay marriage are becoming increasingly pathetic and their methods are becoming increasingly frenetically slopped together. Thoughts on the Pope's decision?


http://www.care2.com...
http://www.catholicnews.com...


It just gives Christians more fuel to persecute gay people with. It's disgusting.

Do you think that christianity and homosexuality are at odds with one another to a significant extent?


They don't have to be. It's the wrong interpretation of the Bible along with not understanding historical context (like anything the NT says about it is more than likely mentioned because Roman soldiers often sodomized and raped people to dominate over their victims), that puts the most popular forms of conservative Christianity at odds with homosexuality.

I can't help it the loudest Christians on this board instantly had negative things to say about the article I posted on the part 1 of can homosexuals go to heaven just because its a different interpretation of what the Bible has to say about the issue (or, what it DOESN'T actually say).

I think we're pretty much in agreement on this one.
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11/28/2012 10:04:53 PM
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At 11/28/2012 9:50:02 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
I just saw this on facebook and reposted it here to be honest.

Well, it was a very interesting post. Although it was the input from the heavens above I was most fond of. When I read it, I quite literally laughed out loud. I'm hesitant to attempt to glean some sort of meaning from the event, but it's hilarious nevertheless.
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11/29/2012 12:13:18 AM
Posted: 4 years ago
At 11/28/2012 10:04:53 PM, YYW wrote:
At 11/28/2012 9:50:02 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
I just saw this on facebook and reposted it here to be honest.

Well, it was a very interesting post. Although it was the input from the heavens above I was most fond of. When I read it, I quite literally laughed out loud. I'm hesitant to attempt to glean some sort of meaning from the event, but it's hilarious nevertheless.

lol, you and your twisted sense of humor.
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11/29/2012 12:47:08 AM
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At 11/28/2012 7:01:18 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
Pope Decides Gay People Aren't Fully Developed Humans

These arguments against gay marriage are becoming increasingly pathetic and their methods are becoming increasingly frenetically slopped together. Thoughts on the Pope's decision?


http://www.care2.com...
http://www.catholicnews.com...

As people have already established, this is the media going for attention rather than accuracy.
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11/29/2012 12:48:29 AM
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At 11/29/2012 12:13:18 AM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
At 11/28/2012 10:04:53 PM, YYW wrote:
At 11/28/2012 9:50:02 PM, Wallstreetatheist wrote:
I just saw this on facebook and reposted it here to be honest.

Well, it was a very interesting post. Although it was the input from the heavens above I was most fond of. When I read it, I quite literally laughed out loud. I'm hesitant to attempt to glean some sort of meaning from the event, but it's hilarious nevertheless.

lol, you and your twisted sense of humor.

Perhaps it's just because I have an elaborate imagination. I was picturing in my head the Pope and his mighty hat in the midst of an elongated diatribe about nothing significant caught beneath the spontaneous precipitation of a heavenly objection. It was almost as if God was saying: "Oh? You think you know best? Ha! Look what I can do!"

Naturally, I doubt that was actually the case, but it's entertaining to imagine it nevertheless.
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11/29/2012 3:32:09 AM
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At 11/28/2012 7:35:00 PM, OberHerr wrote:
Not a Catholic, so my Give-A-Damn-Meter is zero for this.
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12/3/2012 3:07:09 PM
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Seriously? So we're going with the whole "take a single sentence out of context and distort it rather than tackle the substantive message the pope is trying to get across" thing? I thought it would have become a bit boring by now.

Any one care to comment on how exactly saying that developing a full understanding of human sexuality in light of natural law and divine revelation is essential to the teachings and mission of the Catholic Church constitutes hatred?
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12/3/2012 4:29:46 PM
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At 12/3/2012 3:07:09 PM, TrasguTravieso wrote:
Seriously? So we're going with the whole "take a single sentence out of context and distort it rather than tackle the substantive message the pope is trying to get across" thing? I thought it would have become a bit boring by now.

Any one care to comment on how exactly saying that developing a full understanding of human sexuality in light of natural law and divine revelation is essential to the teachings and mission of the Catholic Church constitutes hatred?

Because homosexuality is found in the jungle. Hence, it's natural. Hence, you're a homophobe. Thank you.
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12/3/2012 7:42:10 PM
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At 12/3/2012 4:29:46 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
At 12/3/2012 3:07:09 PM, TrasguTravieso wrote:
Seriously? So we're going with the whole "take a single sentence out of context and distort it rather than tackle the substantive message the pope is trying to get across" thing? I thought it would have become a bit boring by now.

Any one care to comment on how exactly saying that developing a full understanding of human sexuality in light of natural law and divine revelation is essential to the teachings and mission of the Catholic Church constitutes hatred?

Because homosexuality is found in the jungle. Hence, it's natural. Hence, you're a homophobe. Thank you.

Foiled again!