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10/20/2009 11:21:36 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
imagin how islam makes killing spiritual list of jihad action in last 2 days

2009.10.19 (Yala, Thailand) - Islamic militants set off a bomb at a packed market, injuring over two dozen.
2009.10.18 (Attaleen, Egypt) - Muslims gun down a 61-year-old Christian whose son was dating a Muslim girl.
2009.10.18 (Poonch, India) - A local soldier is murdered when terrorists plant a landmine in the road.
2009.10.18 (Mosul, Iraq) - Muslim gunmen take down a child in a drive-by.
2009.10.18 (Adhamiya, Iraq) - Mujahideen set off two bombs in commercial areas, sending eight civilians to Allah.
2009.10.18 (Pisheen, Iran) - A suicidal Sunni from the 'Soldiers of God' group detonates in a gymnasium, slaughtering nearly fifty people

The Qur'an:

Qur'an (2:191-193) - "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]...and fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah." There is a good case to be made that the textual context of this particular passage is defensive war, even if the historical context was not. However, there are also two worrisome pieces to these verse. The first is that the killing of others is authorized in the event of "persecution" (a qualification that is ambiguous at best). The second is that fighting may persist until "religion is for Allah." The example set by Muhammad is not reassuring.

Qur'an (2:244) - "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things."

Qur'an (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not." Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time. From the Hadith, we know that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding caravans with this verse.

Qur'an (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

Qur'an (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority". This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah').

Qur'an (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward." The martyrs of Islam are unlike the early Christians, led meekly to the slaughter. These Muslims are killed in battle, as they attempt to inflict death and destruction for the cause of Allah. Here is the theological basis for today's suicide bombers.

Qur'an (4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…"

Qur'an (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

Qur'an (4:95) - "Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-" This passage not only criticizes "peaceful" Muslims who do not join in the violence, but it also demolishes the modern myth that "Jihad" doesn't mean holy war in the Qur'an, but rather a spiritual struggle. Not only is the Arabic word used in this passage, but it is clearly not referring to anything spiritual, since the physically disabled are given exemption. (The Hadith reveals the context of the passage to be in response to a blind man's protest that he is unable to engage in Jihad).

Qur'an (4:104) - "And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain..." Pursuing an injured and retreating enemy is not an act of self-defense.

Qur'an (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"

Qur'an (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle.

Qur'an (8:15) - "O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey's end."

Qur'an (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah" From the historical context we know that the "persecution" spoken of here was simply the refusal by the Meccans to allow Muhammad to enter their city and perform the Haj. Other Muslims were able to travel there, just not as an armed group, since Muhammad declared war on Mecca prior to his eviction. The Meccans were also acting in defense of their religion, since it was Muhammad's intention to destroy their idols and establish Islam by force (which he later did). Hence the critical part of this verse is to fight until "religion is only for Allah."

Qur'an (8:57) - "If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember."

Qur'an (8:59-60) - "And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah's Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape. Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy."

Qur'an (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them." According to this verse, the best way of staying safe from Muslim violence is to convert to Islam. Prayer (salat) and the poor tax (zakat) are among the religions Five Pillars.

Qur'an (9:14) - "Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace..."

Qur'an (9:20) - "Those who believe, and have left their homes and striven with their wealth and their lives in Allah's way are of much greater worth in Allah's sight. These are they who are triumphant." The "striving" spoken of here is Jihad.

Qur'an (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." "People of the Book" refers to Christians and Jews. Th
the most important source for muslim Arabs:

"And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd'.".

- Qur'an 17:104 -

Any sincere muslim must recognize the Land they call "Palestine" as the Jewish Homeland, according to the book considered by muslims to be the most sacred word and Allah's ultimate revelation.

Ibn Khaldun, one of the most creditable
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10/20/2009 11:35:18 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
here are some hadid notes along same hate lines
Bukhari (52:177) - Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

Bukhari (52:256) - The Prophet... was asked whether it was permissible to attack the pagan warriors at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, "They (i.e. women and children) are from them (i.e. pagans)." In this command, Muhammad establishes that it is permissible to kill non-combatants in the process of killing a perceived enemy. This provides justification for the many Islamic terror bombings.

Bukhari (52:220) - Allah's Apostle said... 'I have been made victorious with terror'

Abu Dawud (14:2526) - The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Three things are the roots of faith: to refrain from (killing) a person who utters, "There is no god but Allah" and not to declare him unbeliever whatever sin he commits, and not to excommunicate him from Islam for his any action; and jihad will be performed continuously since the day Allah sent me as a prophet until the day the last member of my community will fight with the Dajjal (Antichrist)

Abu Dawud (14:2527) - The Prophet said: Striving in the path of Allah (jihad) is incumbent on you along with every ruler, whether he is pious or impious

Muslim (1:33) - the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah

Bukhari (8:387) - Allah's Apostle said, "I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah

Muslim (1:149) - "Abu Dharr reported: I said: Messenger of Allah, which of the deeds is the best? He (the Holy Prophet) replied: Belief in Allah and Jihad in His cause..."

Muslim (20:4645) - "...He (the Messenger of Allah) did that and said: There is another act which elevates the position of a man in Paradise to a grade one hundred (higher), and the elevation between one grade and the other is equal to the height of the heaven from the earth. He (Abu Sa'id) said: What is that act? He replied: Jihad in the way of Allah! Jihad in the way of Allah!"

Muslim (20:4696) - "the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: 'One who died but did not fight in the way of Allah nor did he express any desire (or determination) for Jihid died the death of a hypocrite.'"

Muslim (19:4321-4323) - Three separate hadith in which Muhammad shrugs over the news that innocent children were killed in a raid by his men against unbelievers. His response: "They are of them (meaning the enemy)."

Tabari 7:97 The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, "Kill any Jew who falls under your power." Ashraf was a poet, killed by Muhammad's men because he insulted Islam. Here, Muhammad widens the scope of his orders to kill. An innocent Jewish businessman was then slain by his Muslim partner, merely for being non-Muslim.

Tabari 9:69 "Killing Unbelievers is a small matter to us" The words of Muhammad, prophet of Islam.

Ibn Ishaq: 327 - "Allah said, ‘A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.'"

Ibn Ishaq: 990 - Lest anyone think that cutting off someone's head while screaming 'Allah Akbar!' is a modern custom, here is an account of that very practice under Muhammad, who seems to approve.

Ibn Ishaq: 992 - "Fight everyone in the way of Allah and kill those who disbelieve in Allah." Muhammad's instructions to his men prior to a military raid.
the most important source for muslim Arabs:

"And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd'.".

- Qur'an 17:104 -

Any sincere muslim must recognize the Land they call "Palestine" as the Jewish Homeland, according to the book considered by muslims to be the most sacred word and Allah's ultimate revelation.

Ibn Khaldun, one of the most creditable
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10/20/2009 11:40:25 AM
Posted: 7 years ago
Are you done with copy-pasting so that a human can respond? If you expect robots to respond to so many things, then fine, but I want you to know that we don't have those kind of robots yet, but since it all comes from you, it doesn't really surprise me.
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10/20/2009 11:45:25 AM
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sorry you find it trubling ..!! apearintly you dont like what i said tell me why
the most important source for muslim Arabs:

"And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd'.".

- Qur'an 17:104 -

Any sincere muslim must recognize the Land they call "Palestine" as the Jewish Homeland, according to the book considered by muslims to be the most sacred word and Allah's ultimate revelation.

Ibn Khaldun, one of the most creditable
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10/20/2009 12:21:48 PM
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Certain extremist sects of Islam do these things, rallied on by the Americans no doubt.

Some Americans want to invade Cuba. Should Americans, therefore, be destroyed?
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10/20/2009 12:38:53 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
I have a game for everyone: For every violent event or verse banker provided about Islam, find an equal or greater violent event or verse about Christianity!

I'll go first; "And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth." -- Revelations 6:8

St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre:
"The St. Bartholomew's Day massacre (Massacre de la Saint-Barthélemy in French) in 1572 was a targeted group of assassinations, followed by a wave of Roman Catholic mob violence, both directed against the Huguenots (French Calvinist Protestants), during the French Wars of Religion. .... Modern estimates for the number of dead vary widely between 5,000 and 100,000 in total."
http://en.wikipedia.org...

I like this game already!
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10/20/2009 1:18:24 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
Not sure how many people know this but, the Bible has more violent verses than the Koran. Fact.

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"We must raise the standard of the Old, free, decentralized, and strictly limited Republic."
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-- Frederic Bastiat
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10/20/2009 1:20:28 PM
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you pointed out how vilant christianity was, so accurding to you,you must admit it changed dramaticly...!!

so here is what islam is doing today...!! accurding to u it could change too...

Date Country City Killed Injured Description
2009.10.19 Thailand Yala 0 28 Islamic militants set off a bomb at a packed market, injuring over two dozen.
2009.10.18 India Poonch 1 0 A local soldier is murdered when terrorists plant a landmine in the road.
2009.10.18 Iraq Mosul 1 5 Muslim gunmen take down a child in a drive-by.
2009.10.18 Iraq Adhamiya 8 29 Mujahideen set off two bombs in commercial areas, sending eight civilians to Allah.
2009.10.18 Iran Pisheen 42 25 A suicidal Sunni from the 'Soldiers of God' group detonates in a gymnasium, slaughtering nearly fifty people.
2009.10.18 Egypt Attaleen 1 0 Muslims gun down a 61-year-old Christian whose son was dating a Muslim girl.
2009.10.17 Iraq Falluja 4 10 Mujahideen set off a roadside bomb, killing four local security personnel.
2009.10.17 Pakistan FATA 3 6 Three local soldiers are killed in a bomb set by religious extremists.
2009.10.17 Iraq Mosul 4 4 A child is among four people cut down by Islamic militants in separate attacks.
2009.10.16 Pakistan Peshawar 15 24 Two girls are among fifteen innocents incinerated by Fedayeen suicide bombers.
2009.10.16 Iraq Tal Afar 15 70 A suicide bomber at a rival mosque yell's 'Allah Akbar', then opens up on worshippers with a machine-gun before detonating, leaving at least fifteen dead in the massacre.
2009.10.16 Somalia Mogadishu 1 0 A young policeman is gunned down in an Islamist drive-by.
2009.10.16 Iraq Mosul 1 0 A local soldier standing guard is murdered by a suicide bomber.
2009.10.15 Pakistan Kohat 11 16 Eleven people are murdered when a Fedayeen car bomber plows into a crowd.
2009.10.15 Pakistan Lahore 28 67 Shahid suicide attackers brutally assault two police academies, killing nearly thirty people.
2009.10.15 Pakistan Peshawar 1 12 A 6-year-old child is blown apart by a remote-controlled car bomb along a city street.
2009.10.14 Iraq Karbala 6 45 Sunni bombers strike three groups of praying Shias in separate attacks, leaving a half-dozen dead.
2009.10.14 Afghanistan Zabul 2 6 Religious extremists kill two local soldiers with a roadside bomb.
2009.10.14 Pakistan Sherazi Mohalla 1 0 A man is stabbed to death in front of his wife and child by his in-laws for marrying without permission.
2009.10.13 Iraq Baquba 6 10 A Shahid detonates himself in a cafe, killing at least six others.
2009.10.13 Somalia Mogadishu 4 11 Four people are killed when Hizbul Islam terrorists ambush government troops.
2009.10.12 Pakistan Quetta 1 0 A Shia man is gunned down in a sectarian attack.
2009.10.12 Iraq Abu Khamis 2 2 Terrorists target the mayor of a town with a bomb, killing two of his sons instead.
2009.10.12 Iraq Buhriz 4 5 Jihadi bombers take out four Iraqis in multiple attacks.
2009.10.12 Pakistan Alpuri 41 45 A 12-year-old suicide bomber slaughters forty-one people at a crowded market.
2009.10.11 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 Muslim militants murder a 37-year-old civilian sitting in a tea shop.
2009.10.11 Iraq Ramadi 19 80 Three horrific bombings, one at a hospital, leave nineteen innocents dead.
2009.10.11 Iraq Mosul 2 0 A university student is among two civilians murdered by the terror group, Islamic State of Iraq.
2009.10.11 Thailand Pattani 1 0 A cattle rancher is shot to death in his field by Religion of Peace gunmen.
2009.10.11 Thailand Yala 1 0 A butcher on his way home is gunned down by Islamists.
2009.10.10 Somalia Mogadishu 1 0 al-Shabaab militants shoot a man to death at a market.
2009.10.10 Somalia Afgoye 1 0 A Hizbul Islam leader is gunned down by Islamic rivals.
2009.10.10 Afghanistan Kunduz 1 0 A young policeman is murdered by Taliban bombers.
2009.10.10 Pakistan Khuzdar 2 0 Suspected Islamists machine-gun two truck drivers to death.
2009.10.10 Somalia Kismayo 25 41 Twenty-five people are killed when Hizbul Islam hard-liners attack their rivals.
2009.10.10 Pakistan Rawalpindi 9 0 Islamic militants storm a security headquarters, killing six officers in the siege and three more taken hostage.
2009.10.09 Somalia Mogadishu 3 0 al-Shabaab militants shoot three rivals to death.
2009.10.09 Afghanistan Paktia 6 3 A suicide bomber murders six guards at a road construction project.
2009.10.09 Pakistan Peshawar 52 100 Over fifty innocent civilians at a market are incinerated by a dedicated Sunni suicide car bomber.
2009.10.09 Iraq Saqlawiya 3 0 al-Qaeda bombers murder a cleric and two of his associates on their way home.
2009.10.09 Chechnya Grozny 1 3 Islamic insurgents fire an RPG at a police post, killing one officer.
2009.10.08 Iraq Yusufiya 3 10 Suspected Islamists set off a bomb outside a shop, killing three civilians.
2009.10.08 Iraq Jalawla 2 4 Two Iraqis are murdered by Jihadi bombers.
2009.10.08 Afghanistan Kabul 17 76 A suicide bomber detonates outside the Indian embassy, ending the lives of seventeen innocents.
2009.10.07 Thailand Pattani 2 0 Islamists shoot two men to death, one as he is driving his child to school.
2009.10.07 Afghanistan Ghazni 3 0 Taliban bombers take out three local cops.
2009.10.07 Iraq Abu Ghraib 2 9 Two civilians are killed when Mujahideen toss a grenade at a hospital.
2009.10.07 Iraq Shirqat 3 0 The tortured bodies of three kidnapped police officers are found.
2009.10.06 Thailand Narathiwat 4 42 Islamic militants kill four civilians in separate bombings, including a Buddhist woman at a restaurant.
2009.10.06 Iraq Amiriyeh 7 25 Terrorists set off a bus bomb near a mosque, killing at least seven Iraqis along the crowded street.
2009.10.06 Afghanistan Ghazni 2 25 Taliban militants rocket a passenger bus, killing two men.
2009.10.05 Thailand Narathiwat 1 17 Islamists gun down a laborer and also set off a bomb at a Buddhist festival.
2009.10.05 Philippines Jolo 1 1 Abu Sayyaf shot a guard for a bridge construction crew to death.
2009.10.05 Pakistan Islamabad 5 6 Two women are among five people killed when a suicide bomber detonates at a UN World Food Program office.
2009.10.05 Iraq Mosul 1 0 A 10-year-old boy is taken out by a bomb hidden in a garbage can.
2009.10.05 Iraq Haditha 6 15 A half-dozen funeral mourners are blown to bits by a suicide bomber.
2009.10.05 Iraq Kirkuk 1 0 The tortured body of a Christian businessman is discovered three days after being kidnapped by Muslims.
2009.10.04 Thailand Narathiwat 1 0 A villager is shot in the neck and then set on fire by Religion of Peace separatists.
2009.10.04 Somalia Kismayo 8 14 Eight people are killed when rival Islamic hardliners clash.
2009.10.04 Iraq Kirkuk 1 0 A 55-year-old Christian nurse is kidnapped and tortured to death by Religion of Peace militants.
2009.10.04 India Srinagar 1 0 Muslim cops kill a Hindu boy for marrying a Muslim girl.
2009.10.04 Iraq Kirkuk 1 0 A woman is shot to death in an 'honor killing.'
2009.10.04 Iraq Baghdad 2 4 A truck driver is among two people killed in two Jihad bombings.
2009.10.03 Pakistan Bajur 2 0 A tribal elder and a civilian are murdered separately by Muslim extremists.
2009.10.03 Afghanistan Wardak 2 0 An Islamic militant dressed as a local soldier shoots two American troops to death as they sleep.
2009.10.03 Iraq Mosul 3 0 A beheaded woman is among three people killed by terrorists in three incidents.
2009.10.03 Pakistan Islamabad 1 2 Three Hindu men are abudcted, one of whom is murdered in captivity.
2009.10.03 Afghanistan Kunduz 4 20 Four civilians at a market are blown to bits by a Taliban planted bomb.
2009.10.02 Thailand Pattani 2 0 A middle-aged Buddhist man is among two people murdered separately by Muslim gunmen.
2009.10.02 Russia Kabardino-Balkaria 1 3 Muslim gunmen kill a police officer in a drive-by.
2009.10.02 Somalia Mogadishu 6 15 Six people are killed when Muslim radicals mortar a main market.
the most important source for muslim Arabs:

"And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd'.".

- Qur'an 17:104 -

Any sincere muslim must recognize the Land they call "Palestine" as the Jewish Homeland, according to the book considered by muslims to be the most sacred word and Allah's ultimate revelation.

Ibn Khaldun, one of the most creditable
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10/20/2009 1:22:24 PM
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At 10/20/2009 12:21:48 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
Certain extremist sects of Islam do these things, rallied on by the Americans no doubt.

Some Americans want to invade Cuba. Should Americans, therefore, be destroyed?

how is killings every 30 sends compared to that?
the most important source for muslim Arabs:

"And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd'.".

- Qur'an 17:104 -

Any sincere muslim must recognize the Land they call "Palestine" as the Jewish Homeland, according to the book considered by muslims to be the most sacred word and Allah's ultimate revelation.

Ibn Khaldun, one of the most creditable
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10/20/2009 1:25:32 PM
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At 10/20/2009 1:22:24 PM, banker wrote:
At 10/20/2009 12:21:48 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
Certain extremist sects of Islam do these things, rallied on by the Americans no doubt.

Some Americans want to invade Cuba. Should Americans, therefore, be destroyed?

how is killings every 30 sends compared to that?

Proof of your claims. Sources.
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10/20/2009 1:25:46 PM
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At 10/20/2009 1:20:28 PM, banker wrote:
you pointed out how vilant christianity was, so accurding to you,you must admit it changed dramaticly...!!

It didn't "change," its nearly dead. There is actually a difference.
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10/20/2009 1:28:02 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 10/20/2009 1:25:46 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 10/20/2009 1:20:28 PM, banker wrote:
you pointed out how vilant christianity was, so accurding to you,you must admit it changed dramaticly...!!

It didn't "change," its nearly dead. There is actually a difference.

If all of Christianities members were devoted and not apathetic we could see a similar level of violence.
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10/20/2009 1:32:30 PM
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At 10/20/2009 1:25:46 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 10/20/2009 1:20:28 PM, banker wrote:
you pointed out how vilant christianity was, so accurding to you,you must admit it changed dramaticly...!!

It didn't "change," its nearly dead. There is actually a difference.

it is?lol sorry i missed it! so i am free sunday...!!
the most important source for muslim Arabs:

"And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd'.".

- Qur'an 17:104 -

Any sincere muslim must recognize the Land they call "Palestine" as the Jewish Homeland, according to the book considered by muslims to be the most sacred word and Allah's ultimate revelation.

Ibn Khaldun, one of the most creditable
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10/20/2009 1:33:50 PM
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At 10/20/2009 1:28:02 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 10/20/2009 1:25:46 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 10/20/2009 1:20:28 PM, banker wrote:
you pointed out how vilant christianity was, so accurding to you,you must admit it changed dramaticly...!!

It didn't "change," its nearly dead. There is actually a difference.

If all of Christianities members were devoted and not apathetic we could see a similar level of violence.

if all banks would be green then money would be red
the most important source for muslim Arabs:

"And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd'.".

- Qur'an 17:104 -

Any sincere muslim must recognize the Land they call "Palestine" as the Jewish Homeland, according to the book considered by muslims to be the most sacred word and Allah's ultimate revelation.

Ibn Khaldun, one of the most creditable
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10/20/2009 1:35:36 PM
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At 10/20/2009 1:33:50 PM, banker wrote:
if all banks would be green then money would be red

That makes no sense. Could you explain that?
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10/20/2009 1:37:10 PM
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At 10/20/2009 1:20:28 PM, banker wrote:
you pointed out how vilant christianity was, so accurding to you,you must admit it changed dramaticly...!!

"God told me to end the tyranny in Iraq"
-George W. Bush.
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10/20/2009 1:45:54 PM
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At 10/20/2009 1:37:10 PM, MistahKurtz wrote:
At 10/20/2009 1:20:28 PM, banker wrote:
you pointed out how vilant christianity was, so accurding to you,you must admit it changed dramaticly...!!

"God told me to end the tyranny in Iraq"
-George W. Bush.

bush was trying the wrong way to save iraq from sadam
the most important source for muslim Arabs:

"And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd'.".

- Qur'an 17:104 -

Any sincere muslim must recognize the Land they call "Palestine" as the Jewish Homeland, according to the book considered by muslims to be the most sacred word and Allah's ultimate revelation.

Ibn Khaldun, one of the most creditable
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10/20/2009 1:48:50 PM
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At 10/20/2009 1:35:36 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 10/20/2009 1:33:50 PM, banker wrote:
if all banks would be green then money would be red

That makes no sense. Could you explain that?

how is this logic different ?
"If all of Christianities members were devoted and not apathetic we could see a similar level of violence.'"
why are you not questioning that?
the most important source for muslim Arabs:

"And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd'.".

- Qur'an 17:104 -

Any sincere muslim must recognize the Land they call "Palestine" as the Jewish Homeland, according to the book considered by muslims to be the most sacred word and Allah's ultimate revelation.

Ibn Khaldun, one of the most creditable
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10/20/2009 1:50:15 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 10/20/2009 1:45:54 PM, banker wrote:
At 10/20/2009 1:37:10 PM, MistahKurtz wrote:
At 10/20/2009 1:20:28 PM, banker wrote:
you pointed out how vilant christianity was, so accurding to you,you must admit it changed dramaticly...!!

"God told me to end the tyranny in Iraq"
-George W. Bush.

bush was trying the wrong way to save iraq from sadam

Saddam was a progressive leader for Iraq. Okay, his aggressive foreign policy was a problem, but he didn't have a bad domestic foreign policy for a Middle Eastern leader.
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10/20/2009 1:52:06 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 10/20/2009 1:48:50 PM, banker wrote:
At 10/20/2009 1:35:36 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 10/20/2009 1:33:50 PM, banker wrote:
if all banks would be green then money would be red

That makes no sense. Could you explain that?

how is this logic different ?
"If all of Christianities members were devoted and not apathetic we could see a similar level of violence.'"
why are you not questioning that?

Because it's true. Look at fundamentalists in America. In a highly charged atmosphere such as the Middle East I have no doubt they'd commit similar acts.

Don't say that Christianity is more just than Islam, please. All Judeo-Christian religions are founded on the same principles, and they have all led to murder, violence and war.
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10/20/2009 1:52:31 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 10/20/2009 1:48:50 PM, banker wrote:
how is this logic different ?
"If all of Christianities members were devoted and not apathetic we could see a similar level of violence.'"
why are you not questioning that?

Because it makes sense. What you said, did not.
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10/20/2009 1:56:28 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 10/20/2009 1:55:07 PM, theLwerd wrote:
Why are people even bothering to respond to this thread? o.O

.... I don't have anything better to do.

Plus, maybe this guy has a point, but just can't get it out properly. Never know; even the ugly duckling turned out to be a swan?

I'm really trying hard to rationalize this. XD
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10/20/2009 1:57:22 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 10/20/2009 1:50:15 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 10/20/2009 1:45:54 PM, banker wrote:
At 10/20/2009 1:37:10 PM, MistahKurtz wrote:
At 10/20/2009 1:20:28 PM, banker wrote:
you pointed out how vilant christianity was, so accurding to you,you must admit it changed dramaticly...!!

"God told me to end the tyranny in Iraq"
-George W. Bush.

bush was trying the wrong way to save iraq from sadam

Saddam was a progressive leader for Iraq. Okay, his aggressive foreign policy was a problem, but he didn't have a bad domestic foreign policy for a Middle Eastern leader.

well killing so meny iraqies ,and creating mass graves of iraq people, and you call it progressive?

imagine if iraq people where blue eyed..!!
how come you believe mid eastern people dont deserve rights like we do?
the most important source for muslim Arabs:

"And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd'.".

- Qur'an 17:104 -

Any sincere muslim must recognize the Land they call "Palestine" as the Jewish Homeland, according to the book considered by muslims to be the most sacred word and Allah's ultimate revelation.

Ibn Khaldun, one of the most creditable
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10/20/2009 2:00:53 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 10/20/2009 1:57:22 PM, banker wrote:
how come you believe mid eastern people dont deserve rights like we do?

You say that, so how about allowing Middle Easterners the ability to choose their own religion, instead of being forced to be "saved" by whatever entity you believe capable?
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10/20/2009 2:02:15 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 10/20/2009 1:57:22 PM, banker wrote:
At 10/20/2009 1:50:15 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 10/20/2009 1:45:54 PM, banker wrote:
At 10/20/2009 1:37:10 PM, MistahKurtz wrote:
At 10/20/2009 1:20:28 PM, banker wrote:
you pointed out how vilant christianity was, so accurding to you,you must admit it changed dramaticly...!!

"God told me to end the tyranny in Iraq"
-George W. Bush.

bush was trying the wrong way to save iraq from sadam

Saddam was a progressive leader for Iraq. Okay, his aggressive foreign policy was a problem, but he didn't have a bad domestic foreign policy for a Middle Eastern leader.

well killing so meny iraqies ,and creating mass graves of iraq people, and you call it progressive?

Apart from the Iraq-Iran war, proof?


imagine if iraq people where blue eyed..!!

I'm pretty sure some have blue eyes. Eye colour oesn't make a difference, we're all human.

how come you believe mid eastern people dont deserve rights like we do?

I believe they have rights, I just said Saddam was one of the less rampant domestic leaders of the Middle East. Geez.
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10/20/2009 2:03:17 PM
Posted: 7 years ago
At 10/20/2009 2:00:53 PM, Volkov wrote:
At 10/20/2009 1:57:22 PM, banker wrote:
how come you believe mid eastern people dont deserve rights like we do?

You say that, so how about allowing Middle Easterners the ability to choose their own religion, instead of being forced to be "saved" by whatever entity you believe capable?

Precisely. They're humans. They have brains. If the world was to butt in on every little misjustice untreated by a government, there'd be chaos.
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10/20/2009 2:14:28 PM
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At 10/20/2009 2:02:15 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 10/20/2009 1:57:22 PM, banker wrote:
At 10/20/2009 1:50:15 PM, I-am-a-panda wrote:
At 10/20/2009 1:45:54 PM, banker wrote:
At 10/20/2009 1:37:10 PM, MistahKurtz wrote:
At 10/20/2009 1:20:28 PM, banker wrote:
you pointed out how vilant christianity was, so accurding to you,you must admit it changed dramaticly...!!

"God told me to end the tyranny in Iraq"
-George W. Bush.

bush was trying the wrong way to save iraq from sadam

Saddam was a progressive leader for Iraq. Okay, his aggressive foreign policy was a problem, but he didn't have a bad domestic foreign policy for a Middle Eastern leader.

well killing so meny iraqies ,and creating mass graves of iraq people, and you call it progressive?

Apart from the Iraq-Iran war, proof?

asking for prove to hide your lies?

so you belive graves are there however you still asking me for proof?
are you aware of them or you are not?

instead of saying a lie ,that a other muslim nation(still admiting muslims created mas graves) created the graves ,and having me ask you for proof, you preampted me and request proof ..!! nice try


imagine if iraq people where blue eyed..!!

I'm pretty sure some have blue eyes. Eye colour oesn't make a difference, we're all human.

no..!! you are sure they dont have blue eyed...!! unless you only have non midle eastern friends..!! thats why you like them killing each other and you dont give a demn..!!

how come you believe mid eastern people dont deserve rights like we do?

I believe they have rights, I just said Saddam was one of the less rampant domestic leaders of the Middle East. Geez.

"less rampant"
how about geting some "less rampant" ones rule you?
the most important source for muslim Arabs:

"And thereafter We [Allah] said to the Children of Israel: 'Dwell securely in the Promised Land. And when the last warning will come to pass, we will gather you together in a mingled crowd'.".

- Qur'an 17:104 -

Any sincere muslim must recognize the Land they call "Palestine" as the Jewish Homeland, according to the book considered by muslims to be the most sacred word and Allah's ultimate revelation.

Ibn Khaldun, one of the most creditable