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Ramshutu
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1/7/2013 4:31:28 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
This is never mentioned by Creationists, or Intelligent Design proponents, but I figured it needs a little air time.

Most IDers and Creationists, including Kent Hovind agree that "Micro" evolution is a real process. This begs the question that if the universe was Created, "Why does ANY evolution occur at all?"

The only answer becomes to that is that evolution allows creatures to adapt to a changing environment; but that only further begs the question "in a created universe, why would the environment need to change? Why is it not static?"

If God/Intelligent Deisgner created the Earth in such a way that no evolution, micro or macro could occur, there could be no evidence for any "devils theory of Evolution" that could be postulated (and yes there is evidenve for it).

Why did he decide to create a universe and planet that is slowly dynamic? Would it not make more sense to create a fixed and unchanging universe. It would certainly give scientists a LOT less amunition to reject Biblical creation.
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1/7/2013 4:56:45 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/7/2013 4:31:28 PM, Ramshutu wrote:
This is never mentioned by Creationists, or Intelligent Design proponents, but I figured it needs a little air time.

Most IDers and Creationists, including Kent Hovind agree that "Micro" evolution is a real process. This begs the question that if the universe was Created, "Why does ANY evolution occur at all?"

The only answer becomes to that is that evolution allows creatures to adapt to a changing environment; but that only further begs the question "in a created universe, why would the environment need to change? Why is it not static?"

If God/Intelligent Deisgner created the Earth in such a way that no evolution, micro or macro could occur, there could be no evidence for any "devils theory of Evolution" that could be postulated (and yes there is evidenve for it).

Why did he decide to create a universe and planet that is slowly dynamic? Would it not make more sense to create a fixed and unchanging universe. It would certainly give scientists a LOT less amunition to reject Biblical creation.

This is one great big non sequitur. The Universe cannot be created in the sense that something came from nothing: the Universe can only be a transformation of what is already there. Therefore, for a theist like myself, I can only see that God = Universe.

Now if we go the "creation" route and allow for a contradiction to be (ie creation ex nihilo) then one can speculate either way: (A) creation that evolves or (B) creation that does not evolve are both perfectly possible. An example of (A) is the status quo and an example of (B) would be a Universe that contained only 1 thing. If there were only 1 thing then there cannot be any evolution or change or time, etc.

QED.
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: Without nothing existing, you couldn't have something.
medic0506
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1/8/2013 4:30:18 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/7/2013 4:31:28 PM, Ramshutu wrote:
This is never mentioned by Creationists, or Intelligent Design proponents, but I figured it needs a little air time.

Most IDers and Creationists, including Kent Hovind agree that "Micro" evolution is a real process. This begs the question that if the universe was Created, "Why does ANY evolution occur at all?"

The only answer becomes to that is that evolution allows creatures to adapt to a changing environment; but that only further begs the question "in a created universe, why would the environment need to change? Why is it not static?"

If God/Intelligent Deisgner created the Earth in such a way that no evolution, micro or macro could occur, there could be no evidence for any "devils theory of Evolution" that could be postulated (and yes there is evidenve for it).

Why did he decide to create a universe and planet that is slowly dynamic? Would it not make more sense to create a fixed and unchanging universe. It would certainly give scientists a LOT less amunition to reject Biblical creation.

God knew we'd be an intelligent people and frankly if the universe were static, no variation within kinds, etc., it would become old hat. There is always something new that we've never seen, and always more to learn. As it is, we can be intellectually stimulated, and see the majesty of the Creator by looking at the creation. The heavens declare the glory.
Ramshutu
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1/8/2013 12:24:49 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/8/2013 4:30:18 AM, medic0506 wrote:
At 1/7/2013 4:31:28 PM, Ramshutu wrote:
This is never mentioned by Creationists, or Intelligent Design proponents, but I figured it needs a little air time.

Most IDers and Creationists, including Kent Hovind agree that "Micro" evolution is a real process. This begs the question that if the universe was Created, "Why does ANY evolution occur at all?"

The only answer becomes to that is that evolution allows creatures to adapt to a changing environment; but that only further begs the question "in a created universe, why would the environment need to change? Why is it not static?"

If God/Intelligent Deisgner created the Earth in such a way that no evolution, micro or macro could occur, there could be no evidence for any "devils theory of Evolution" that could be postulated (and yes there is evidenve for it).

Why did he decide to create a universe and planet that is slowly dynamic? Would it not make more sense to create a fixed and unchanging universe. It would certainly give scientists a LOT less amunition to reject Biblical creation.

God knew we'd be an intelligent people and frankly if the universe were static, no variation within kinds, etc., it would become old hat. There is always something new that we've never seen, and always more to learn. As it is, we can be intellectually stimulated, and see the majesty of the Creator by looking at the creation. The heavens declare the glory.

So millions of different species ranging from weird deep sea angler fish to the elephent, with the majority of animals on the planet left undiscovered in inaccessible reaches, the 70 sextillion of stars in the universe, more numerous than grains of sand on the shore, many, undoubtedly with planets that can still more millions of life forms on them. Even our solar system, with the inner and outer planets that we have barely even begin scratching the surface of; that could easily have been made static: That's all old hat?

But being able to see a Dog that it is a slightly different color from another Dog, that is what keeps things interesting and keeps us intellectually stimulated?

Your logic is ridiculous.
medic0506
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1/9/2013 9:43:30 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/8/2013 12:24:49 PM, Ramshutu wrote:
At 1/8/2013 4:30:18 AM, medic0506 wrote:
At 1/7/2013 4:31:28 PM, Ramshutu wrote:
This is never mentioned by Creationists, or Intelligent Design proponents, but I figured it needs a little air time.

Most IDers and Creationists, including Kent Hovind agree that "Micro" evolution is a real process. This begs the question that if the universe was Created, "Why does ANY evolution occur at all?"

The only answer becomes to that is that evolution allows creatures to adapt to a changing environment; but that only further begs the question "in a created universe, why would the environment need to change? Why is it not static?"

If God/Intelligent Deisgner created the Earth in such a way that no evolution, micro or macro could occur, there could be no evidence for any "devils theory of Evolution" that could be postulated (and yes there is evidenve for it).

Why did he decide to create a universe and planet that is slowly dynamic? Would it not make more sense to create a fixed and unchanging universe. It would certainly give scientists a LOT less amunition to reject Biblical creation.

God knew we'd be an intelligent people and frankly if the universe were static, no variation within kinds, etc., it would become old hat. There is always something new that we've never seen, and always more to learn. As it is, we can be intellectually stimulated, and see the majesty of the Creator by looking at the creation. The heavens declare the glory.

So millions of different species ranging from weird deep sea angler fish to the elephent, with the majority of animals on the planet left undiscovered in inaccessible reaches, the 70 sextillion of stars in the universe, more numerous than grains of sand on the shore, many, undoubtedly with planets that can still more millions of life forms on them. Even our solar system, with the inner and outer planets that we have barely even begin scratching the surface of; that could easily have been made static: That's all old hat?

But being able to see a Dog that it is a slightly different color from another Dog, that is what keeps things interesting and keeps us intellectually stimulated?

Your logic is ridiculous.

huh??...Who do you think created all that stuff??
AlwaysMoreThanYou
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1/9/2013 9:50:12 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/7/2013 4:31:28 PM, Ramshutu wrote:
This is never mentioned by Creationists, or Intelligent Design proponents, but I figured it needs a little air time.

Most IDers and Creationists, including Kent Hovind agree that "Micro" evolution is a real process. This begs the question that if the universe was Created, "Why does ANY evolution occur at all?"

Why shouldn't any evolution occur at all?

The only answer becomes to that is that evolution allows creatures to adapt to a changing environment; but that only further begs the question "in a created universe, why would the environment need to change? Why is it not static?"

Who says the environment 'needs' to change? Just because it does doesn't mean that it does so out of necessity. I imagine a static environment would be boring.

If God/Intelligent Deisgner created the Earth in such a way that no evolution, micro or macro could occur, there could be no evidence for any "devils theory of Evolution" that could be postulated (and yes there is evidenve for it).

So...?

Why did he decide to create a universe and planet that is slowly dynamic?

Why not?

Would it not make more sense to create a fixed and unchanging universe.

No, I don't think it would.

It would certainly give scientists a LOT less amunition to reject Biblical creation.

I think I'm going to become a creationist some day in the not-to-far-off future. Honestly.
'When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth; for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.' - John 16:13
Ramshutu
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1/10/2013 9:49:08 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/9/2013 9:43:30 AM, medic0506 wrote:
At 1/8/2013 12:24:49 PM, Ramshutu wrote:
At 1/8/2013 4:30:18 AM, medic0506 wrote:
At 1/7/2013 4:31:28 PM, Ramshutu wrote:
This is never mentioned by Creationists, or Intelligent Design proponents, but I figured it needs a little air time.

Most IDers and Creationists, including Kent Hovind agree that "Micro" evolution is a real process. This begs the question that if the universe was Created, "Why does ANY evolution occur at all?"

The only answer becomes to that is that evolution allows creatures to adapt to a changing environment; but that only further begs the question "in a created universe, why would the environment need to change? Why is it not static?"

If God/Intelligent Deisgner created the Earth in such a way that no evolution, micro or macro could occur, there could be no evidence for any "devils theory of Evolution" that could be postulated (and yes there is evidenve for it).

Why did he decide to create a universe and planet that is slowly dynamic? Would it not make more sense to create a fixed and unchanging universe. It would certainly give scientists a LOT less amunition to reject Biblical creation.

God knew we'd be an intelligent people and frankly if the universe were static, no variation within kinds, etc., it would become old hat. There is always something new that we've never seen, and always more to learn. As it is, we can be intellectually stimulated, and see the majesty of the Creator by looking at the creation. The heavens declare the glory.

So millions of different species ranging from weird deep sea angler fish to the elephent, with the majority of animals on the planet left undiscovered in inaccessible reaches, the 70 sextillion of stars in the universe, more numerous than grains of sand on the shore, many, undoubtedly with planets that can still more millions of life forms on them. Even our solar system, with the inner and outer planets that we have barely even begin scratching the surface of; that could easily have been made static: That's all old hat?

But being able to see a Dog that it is a slightly different color from another Dog, that is what keeps things interesting and keeps us intellectually stimulated?

Your logic is ridiculous.

huh??...Who do you think created all that stuff??

What?
Seriously?

Answer the question rather flying off on a massive tangent that avoids the fundamental point entirely. God created all of that amazing stuff; which is "old hat", and you're suggesting finding minor adaptations: "a slightly taller dog", keeps us "intellectually stimulated"

Ridiculous logic. And seriously, you need to work on some stuff because that last counter was "out there."