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Dale.G
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1/8/2013 6:49:25 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Atheism cannot be real why, well no one can see death coming at them, there are many people who die in their sleep no one can see death but death is so real. people die without knowing about it people die in their sleep. they will never know they had died in their sleep,' the fact is this death is out there but we cannot see death coming death can strike anyone any time, do u know when someone would die,? would u know what time someone would die at,' would u know if someone has a heart attack,' if u do not know when someone would have a stroke,' then do u believe it when the doctors tells someone they had a stroke,' or a heart attack,' or was knocked,' out if someone was knocked,' out and the doctor tells that someone who got knocked,' out that they where knocked,' out would the person who was knocked,' out believe what the doctor had said. would someone believe what any doctors say's about what right pills to take
DeusMortisEst
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1/8/2013 7:23:52 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
Sorry, I don't see how any of that renders the disbelief in a god or gods non-existent...
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1/8/2013 7:26:45 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/8/2013 6:49:25 AM, Dale.G wrote:
Atheism cannot be real why, well no one can see death coming at them, there are many people who die in their sleep no one can see death but death is so real. people die without knowing about it people die in their sleep. they will never know they had died in their sleep,' the fact is this death is out there but we cannot see death coming death can strike anyone any time, do u know when someone would die,? would u know what time someone would die at,' would u know if someone has a heart attack,' if u do not know when someone would have a stroke,' then do u believe it when the doctors tells someone they had a stroke,' or a heart attack,' or was knocked,' out if someone was knocked,' out and the doctor tells that someone who got knocked,' out that they where knocked,' out would the person who was knocked,' out believe what the doctor had said. would someone believe what any doctors say's about what right pills to take

Good work. You've completely and utterly destroyed atheism. Surely many people will try to counter you, but it's too late; you've left them scrabbling on the ground trying to salvage the pathetic remains of their once-glorious beliefs.

Truly, atheism cannot be real. Nothing more to see here, folks.
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1/8/2013 9:55:00 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/8/2013 6:49:25 AM, Dale.G wrote:
Atheism cannot be real why, well no one can see death coming at them, there are many people who die in their sleep no one can see death but death is so real. people die without knowing about it people die in their sleep. they will never know they had died in their sleep,' the fact is this death is out there but we cannot see death coming death can strike anyone any time, do u know when someone would die,? would u know what time someone would die at,' would u know if someone has a heart attack,' if u do not know when someone would have a stroke,' then do u believe it when the doctors tells someone they had a stroke,' or a heart attack,' or was knocked,' out if someone was knocked,' out and the doctor tells that someone who got knocked,' out that they where knocked,' out would the person who was knocked,' out believe what the doctor had said. would someone believe what any doctors say's about what right pills to take

holy f*ck, learn to use punctuation....
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1/8/2013 11:55:56 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/8/2013 6:49:25 AM, Dale.G wrote:
Atheism cannot be real why, well no one can see death coming at them, there are many people who die in their sleep no one can see death but death is so real. people die without knowing about it people die in their sleep. they will never know they had died in their sleep,' the fact is this death is out there but we cannot see death coming death can strike anyone any time, do u know when someone would die,? would u know what time someone would die at,' would u know if someone has a heart attack,' if u do not know when someone would have a stroke,' then do u believe it when the doctors tells someone they had a stroke,' or a heart attack,' or was knocked,' out if someone was knocked,' out and the doctor tells that someone who got knocked,' out that they where knocked,' out would the person who was knocked,' out believe what the doctor had said. would someone believe what any doctors say's about what right pills to take

I think what you mean is Atheism cannot be *true.* I know many Atheists, so I know that Atheism is real. It's similar to when Atheists say "I don't believe in the Bible." How can you not believe in the Bible? I have one sitting on my bookcase. What you mean is you don't believe the Bible to be true.
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1/8/2013 12:33:08 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
P.1 Death is real.
P.2 People die.
P.3 We don't know when death is coming.
Conclusion: God exists.

This is certainly valid.
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1/8/2013 1:47:17 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/8/2013 6:49:25 AM, Dale.G wrote:
Atheism cannot be real why, well no one can see death coming at them, there are many people who die in their sleep no one can see death but death is so real. people die without knowing about it people die in their sleep. they will never know they had died in their sleep,' the fact is this death is out there but we cannot see death coming death can strike anyone any time, do u know when someone would die,? would u know what time someone would die at,' would u know if someone has a heart attack,' if u do not know when someone would have a stroke,' then do u believe it when the doctors tells someone they had a stroke,' or a heart attack,' or was knocked,' out if someone was knocked,' out and the doctor tells that someone who got knocked,' out that they where knocked,' out would the person who was knocked,' out believe what the doctor had said. would someone believe what any doctors say's about what right pills to take

If I put a gun to your head, thus letting you know the exact moment when your death will occur, it blows away your entire theory.

So, basically what you're telling me is that all I've got to do is kill Christians (and make sure they are aware that they are going to die beforehand) to get them to acknowledge atheism?

Um...OK...seems fair.
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1/8/2013 7:20:08 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/8/2013 7:26:45 AM, AlwaysMoreThanYou wrote:
At 1/8/2013 6:49:25 AM, Dale.G wrote:
Atheism cannot be real why, well no one can see death coming at them, there are many people who die in their sleep no one can see death but death is so real. people die without knowing about it people die in their sleep. they will never know they had died in their sleep,' the fact is this death is out there but we cannot see death coming death can strike anyone any time, do u know when someone would die,? would u know what time someone would die at,' would u know if someone has a heart attack,' if u do not know when someone would have a stroke,' then do u believe it when the doctors tells someone they had a stroke,' or a heart attack,' or was knocked,' out if someone was knocked,' out and the doctor tells that someone who got knocked,' out that they where knocked,' out would the person who was knocked,' out believe what the doctor had said. would someone believe what any doctors say's about what right pills to take

Good work. You've completely and utterly destroyed atheism. Surely many people will try to counter you, but it's too late; you've left them scrabbling on the ground trying to salvage the pathetic remains of their once-glorious beliefs.

Truly, atheism cannot be real. Nothing more to see here, folks.

As an agnostic I agree completely.
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1/8/2013 7:26:31 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/8/2013 12:33:08 PM, phantom wrote:
P.1 Death is real.
P.2 People die.
P.3 We don't know when death is coming.
Conclusion: God exists.

This is certainly valid.

Following up on Alwaysmorethanyou's comment, and my agreement with it, I must ask why you have muddied the waters with this syllogism. Why can't you write in essay form as the person who started this discussion?

I would ask if you could please tell me in, if not simple English, at least in essay form, how do your first three statements justify your fourth, and the rest of them your fifth?

Shirley, you jest!
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1/8/2013 7:41:32 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/8/2013 6:49:25 AM, Dale.G wrote:
Atheism cannot be real why, well no one can see death coming at them, there are many people who die in their sleep no one can see death but death is so real. people die without knowing about it people die in their sleep. they will never know they had died in their sleep,' the fact is this death is out there but we cannot see death coming death can strike anyone any time, do u know when someone would die,? would u know what time someone would die at,' would u know if someone has a heart attack,' if u do not know when someone would have a stroke,' then do u believe it when the doctors tells someone they had a stroke,' or a heart attack,' or was knocked,' out if someone was knocked,' out and the doctor tells that someone who got knocked,' out that they where knocked,' out would the person who was knocked,' out believe what the doctor had said. would someone believe what any doctors say's about what right pills to take

So....where's the part where atheism got debunked?

Oh, and do please learn the proper way to use punctuation. This post, as they say, gave me cancer.
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1/8/2013 8:25:06 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/8/2013 7:26:31 PM, proglib wrote:
At 1/8/2013 12:33:08 PM, phantom wrote:
P.1 Death is real.
P.2 People die.
P.3 We don't know when death is coming.
Conclusion: God exists.

This is certainly valid.

Following up on Alwaysmorethanyou's comment, and my agreement with it, I must ask why you have muddied the waters with this syllogism. Why can't you write in essay form as the person who started this discussion?

I would ask if you could please tell me in, if not simple English, at least in essay form, how do your first three statements justify your fourth, and the rest of them your fifth?

Shirley, you jest!

I do jest...It was supposed to be analogous with his post.
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1/8/2013 8:53:35 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/8/2013 8:25:06 PM, phantom wrote:
At 1/8/2013 7:26:31 PM, proglib wrote:
At 1/8/2013 12:33:08 PM, phantom wrote:
P.1 Death is real.
P.2 People die.
P.3 We don't know when death is coming.
Conclusion: God exists.

This is certainly valid.

Following up on Alwaysmorethanyou's comment, and my agreement with it, I must ask why you have muddied the waters with this syllogism. Why can't you write in essay form as the person who started this discussion?

I would ask if you could please tell me in, if not simple English, at least in essay form, how do your first three statements justify your fourth, and the rest of them your fifth?

Shirley, you jest!

I do jest...It was supposed to be analogous with his post.

Me, too.
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Dale.G
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1/9/2013 6:42:03 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/8/2013 7:23:52 AM, DeusMortisEst wrote:
Sorry, I don't see how any of that renders the disbelief in a god or gods non-existent...

can u see death coming
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1/9/2013 6:44:19 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
death is real but if someone dies in there sleep would they know they had died yes or no answer
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1/9/2013 7:07:24 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/8/2013 12:33:08 PM, phantom wrote:
P.1 Death is real.
P.2 People die.
P.3 We don't know when death is coming.
Conclusion: God exists.

This is certainly valid.

I think there are a few Ps missing that fall between P3 and the conclusion.
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1/9/2013 10:02:27 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/9/2013 6:44:19 AM, Dale.G wrote:
death is real but if someone dies in there sleep would they know they had died yes or no answer

Depends on how they died. If it was a pianful death, they would wake up and then die, and therefore know they died. But i dont even know if it is possible for someone to die while they are simply asleep, without being drugged. Even if youre hit by an airplane falling ontop of you while youre asleep, theres still a split second where you feel the pain and wake up.
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1/9/2013 10:03:26 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/9/2013 6:42:59 AM, Dale.G wrote:
can u see death at all

Sometimes yes, sometimes no. If youre in an airplane and youre crashing, then yeah, i can see death coming for the passengers on that plane. If a sniper puts a bullet to your head while youre doing yoga, then probably no.
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1/9/2013 1:08:19 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/8/2013 1:47:17 PM, malcolmxy wrote:
At 1/8/2013 6:49:25 AM, Dale.G wrote:
Atheism cannot be real why, well no one can see death coming at them, there are many people who die in their sleep no one can see death but death is so real. people die without knowing about it people die in their sleep. they will never know they had died in their sleep,' the fact is this death is out there but we cannot see death coming death can strike anyone any time, do u know when someone would die,? would u know what time someone would die at,' would u know if someone has a heart attack,' if u do not know when someone would have a stroke,' then do u believe it when the doctors tells someone they had a stroke,' or a heart attack,' or was knocked,' out if someone was knocked,' out and the doctor tells that someone who got knocked,' out that they where knocked,' out would the person who was knocked,' out believe what the doctor had said. would someone believe what any doctors say's about what right pills to take

If I put a gun to your head, thus letting you know the exact moment when your death will occur, it blows away your entire theory.

So, basically what you're telling me is that all I've got to do is kill Christians (and make sure they are aware that they are going to die beforehand) to get them to acknowledge atheism?

Um...OK...seems fair.

People have survive shots to the head. Even if you just account those who died, there would still be the fact that each took x amount of time before they actually die, and that person cannot know exactly when, they can correctly guess, but it would still be a guess.
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1/9/2013 2:31:32 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/9/2013 7:07:24 AM, Sidewalker wrote:
At 1/8/2013 12:33:08 PM, phantom wrote:
P.1 Death is real.
P.2 People die.
P.3 We don't know when death is coming.
Conclusion: God exists.

This is certainly valid.

I think there are a few Ps missing that fall between P3 and the conclusion.

No. Death, therefore God!
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1/12/2013 12:15:07 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/8/2013 6:49:25 AM, Dale.G wrote:
Atheism cannot be real why, well no one can see death coming at them, there are many people who die in their sleep no one can see death but death is so real. people die without knowing about it people die in their sleep. they will never know they had died in their sleep,' the fact is this death is out there but we cannot see death coming death can strike anyone any time, do u know when someone would die,? would u know what time someone would die at,' would u know if someone has a heart attack,' if u do not know when someone would have a stroke,' then do u believe it when the doctors tells someone they had a stroke,' or a heart attack,' or was knocked,' out if someone was knocked,' out and the doctor tells that someone who got knocked,' out that they where knocked,' out would the person who was knocked,' out believe what the doctor had said. would someone believe what any doctors say's about what right pills to take

I have heard that someone next door ate an apple with caramel sauce. That proves all gods false!

P1: My neighbor ate an apple.
P2: The apple has caramel in it.
P3: Caramel is created by men
C: Thus, atheism is true.

This is just like:

P1: Some people die in their sleep
C: Atheism is false
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1/12/2013 3:13:03 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
I've got some pretty good jests up my sleeve but I'll let them slide for now.

I think what this guy is trying to say is:

We die.
We cannot always know when we die or how we will die.
We fear death because of its unpredictability.
Theists usually believe in life beyond death.
Atheists do not believe in life beyond death.
Thus, atheism is ... unreasonable? Or something? I dunno about "real" :L

Well, some of us who do not believe in God, like to think of death as returning to our surroundings. Scientifically it's known that the corporeal body breaks down. No matter is lost, it's just recycled. Some of your atoms will move on to join the dirt, or the grass, or a deer, or another person, or the wind. I like that death. Living forever would have no merit for me -- I would never appreciate what I have now. I do not believe in reincarnation or life beyond death, in the sense that your body and mind would be replicated elsewhere. If I died now, I'd want to be dissolved in and returned to the world, rather than sit on a cloud or on a chunk of burning brimstone for eternity.

Humans like to think that because the workings of their brain gives them consciousness, it is apart from their body, and will go do its own thing after the body dies. But consciousness is the brain, and the brain is corporeal. I'm not arguing people don't have a soul. I'm arguing consciousness, or if you will a type of soul, is tied to, a part of, and entirely comprised by the body.

If you make a spaceship out of hundreds of legos, the spaceship is an arrangement. If you return the legos to all their individual parts, strewn out across the floor, the arrangement has been lost, even though all its components are still there. That doesn't mean the arrangement is ELSEWHERE or IN ANOTHER LIFE -- it's just gone.
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1/12/2013 4:04:57 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
This has got to be the most miserable, unclear argument I've heard from a theist.... and I've heard (made) some pretty bad ones.

Even if all of what he says is true, it still wouldn't follow that God exists.
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1/20/2013 4:30:22 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
I am sorry. I know it has been awhile since the last post, but I can't help but comment. You (the one who started this forum) keep on personifying death, as if it is a person that chases after us, but it is just a state. In all actuality you can see the process of dying though and can usually foreshadow its cause. Take for instance an overweight white American male, a couple months before his death he had a cholesterol test that showed an dangerously high amount of it in his system, but he refused to change his ways and died of a heart attack. If he were monitored during the attack you would be able to see his vitals change and if you were lucky enough to have imagery of his brain, you would see it slowly shutting down. Death exists because it is a state that we can not only see, but prove, much like ice melting into water.
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1/22/2013 1:33:08 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/8/2013 6:49:25 AM, Dale.G wrote:
Atheism cannot be real why, well no one can see death coming at them, there are many people who die in their sleep no one can see death but death is so real. people die without knowing about it people die in their sleep. they will never know they had died in their sleep,' the fact is this death is out there but we cannot see death coming death can strike anyone any time, do u know when someone would die,? would u know what time someone would die at,' would u know if someone has a heart attack,' if u do not know when someone would have a stroke,' then do u believe it when the doctors tells someone they had a stroke,' or a heart attack,' or was knocked,' out if someone was knocked,' out and the doctor tells that someone who got knocked,' out that they where knocked,' out would the person who was knocked,' out believe what the doctor had said. would someone believe what any doctors say's about what right pills to take

Nice argument. We should believe in God because you are afraid to die. I am not afraid to die, therefore God does not exist.