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tkubok
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1/28/2013 1:35:31 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
Do Muslims believe that other Muslims who commit terrorist acts, get to go to heaven? Its just something ive been wondering about.
Fatihah
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1/28/2013 5:30:43 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/28/2013 1:35:31 PM, tkubok wrote:
Do Muslims believe that other Muslims who commit terrorist acts, get to go to heaven? Its just something ive been wondering about.

Response: Any person who believes in Allah goes to Paradise in the Hereafter. However, that does not mean that a person who commits serious crimes does not spend time in Hell first before being lifted to Paradise. So a terrorists will be punished in the Hereafter, but a terrorist that repents will be punished in the Hereafter but will eventually go to Paradise.
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1/28/2013 6:28:24 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/28/2013 5:30:43 PM, Fatihah wrote:
At 1/28/2013 1:35:31 PM, tkubok wrote:
Do Muslims believe that other Muslims who commit terrorist acts, get to go to heaven? Its just something ive been wondering about.

Response: Any person who believes in Allah goes to Paradise in the Hereafter. However, that does not mean that a person who commits serious crimes does not spend time in Hell first before being lifted to Paradise. So a terrorists will be punished in the Hereafter, but a terrorist that repents will be punished in the Hereafter but will eventually go to Paradise.

what if a terrorist believes in allah but does not repent?
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1/28/2013 7:19:06 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/28/2013 6:28:24 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 1/28/2013 5:30:43 PM, Fatihah wrote:
At 1/28/2013 1:35:31 PM, tkubok wrote:
Do Muslims believe that other Muslims who commit terrorist acts, get to go to heaven? Its just something ive been wondering about.

Response: Any person who believes in Allah goes to Paradise in the Hereafter. However, that does not mean that a person who commits serious crimes does not spend time in Hell first before being lifted to Paradise. So a terrorists will be punished in the Hereafter, but a terrorist that repents will be punished in the Hereafter but will eventually go to Paradise.

what if a terrorist believes in allah but does not repent?

Response: Then the terrorist will be punished in the Hereafter, then granted Paradise. Simply put, anyone who believes in Allah is granted Paradise.
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1/28/2013 7:29:29 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/28/2013 7:19:06 PM, Fatihah wrote:
At 1/28/2013 6:28:24 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 1/28/2013 5:30:43 PM, Fatihah wrote:
At 1/28/2013 1:35:31 PM, tkubok wrote:
Do Muslims believe that other Muslims who commit terrorist acts, get to go to heaven? Its just something ive been wondering about.

Response: Any person who believes in Allah goes to Paradise in the Hereafter. However, that does not mean that a person who commits serious crimes does not spend time in Hell first before being lifted to Paradise. So a terrorists will be punished in the Hereafter, but a terrorist that repents will be punished in the Hereafter but will eventually go to Paradise.

what if a terrorist believes in allah but does not repent?

Response: Then the terrorist will be punished in the Hereafter, then granted Paradise. Simply put, anyone who believes in Allah is granted Paradise.

So even if they do not repent, they would still enter heaven? So a terrorist who kills a thousand people and think hes done good, still gets to enter heaven?
Fatihah
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1/28/2013 8:05:05 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/28/2013 7:29:29 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 1/28/2013 7:19:06 PM, Fatihah wrote:
At 1/28/2013 6:28:24 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 1/28/2013 5:30:43 PM, Fatihah wrote:
At 1/28/2013 1:35:31 PM, tkubok wrote:
Do Muslims believe that other Muslims who commit terrorist acts, get to go to heaven? Its just something ive been wondering about.

Response: Any person who believes in Allah goes to Paradise in the Hereafter. However, that does not mean that a person who commits serious crimes does not spend time in Hell first before being lifted to Paradise. So a terrorists will be punished in the Hereafter, but a terrorist that repents will be punished in the Hereafter but will eventually go to Paradise.

what if a terrorist believes in allah but does not repent?

Response: Then the terrorist will be punished in the Hereafter, then granted Paradise. Simply put, anyone who believes in Allah is granted Paradise.

So even if they do not repent, they would still enter heaven? So a terrorist who kills a thousand people and think hes done good, still gets to enter heaven?

Response: If they do not repent, but believe in Allah, they will still enter Paradise. All believers enter Paradise. That is the mercy of Allah. However, they will be punished in the Hereafter before entering Paradise.
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1/28/2013 8:08:53 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/28/2013 7:29:29 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 1/28/2013 7:19:06 PM, Fatihah wrote:
At 1/28/2013 6:28:24 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 1/28/2013 5:30:43 PM, Fatihah wrote:
At 1/28/2013 1:35:31 PM, tkubok wrote:
Do Muslims believe that other Muslims who commit terrorist acts, get to go to heaven? Its just something ive been wondering about.

Response: Any person who believes in Allah goes to Paradise in the Hereafter. However, that does not mean that a person who commits serious crimes does not spend time in Hell first before being lifted to Paradise. So a terrorists will be punished in the Hereafter, but a terrorist that repents will be punished in the Hereafter but will eventually go to Paradise.

what if a terrorist believes in allah but does not repent?

Response: Then the terrorist will be punished in the Hereafter, then granted Paradise. Simply put, anyone who believes in Allah is granted Paradise.

So even if they do not repent, they would still enter heaven? So a terrorist who kills a thousand people and think hes done good, still gets to enter heaven?

"Still gets to enter heaven" after thousands of years of torture/pain. Hopefully that will lead to attitude change.
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1/29/2013 8:41:30 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/28/2013 8:08:53 PM, Wnope wrote:
At 1/28/2013 7:29:29 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 1/28/2013 7:19:06 PM, Fatihah wrote:
At 1/28/2013 6:28:24 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 1/28/2013 5:30:43 PM, Fatihah wrote:
At 1/28/2013 1:35:31 PM, tkubok wrote:
Do Muslims believe that other Muslims who commit terrorist acts, get to go to heaven? Its just something ive been wondering about.

Response: Any person who believes in Allah goes to Paradise in the Hereafter. However, that does not mean that a person who commits serious crimes does not spend time in Hell first before being lifted to Paradise. So a terrorists will be punished in the Hereafter, but a terrorist that repents will be punished in the Hereafter but will eventually go to Paradise.

what if a terrorist believes in allah but does not repent?

Response: Then the terrorist will be punished in the Hereafter, then granted Paradise. Simply put, anyone who believes in Allah is granted Paradise.

So even if they do not repent, they would still enter heaven? So a terrorist who kills a thousand people and think hes done good, still gets to enter heaven?

"Still gets to enter heaven" after thousands of years of torture/pain. Hopefully that will lead to attitude change.

There doesn't seem to be much of a motive to engage in terrorism if all you get for your troubles is punishment, unless you're in it for the temporal gains.
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1/29/2013 9:16:09 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/28/2013 5:30:43 PM, Fatihah wrote:
At 1/28/2013 1:35:31 PM, tkubok wrote:
Do Muslims believe that other Muslims who commit terrorist acts, get to go to heaven? Its just something ive been wondering about.

Response: Any person who believes in Allah goes to Paradise in the Hereafter. However, that does not mean that a person who commits serious crimes does not spend time in Hell first before being lifted to Paradise. So a terrorists will be punished in the Hereafter, but a terrorist that repents will be punished in the Hereafter but will eventually go to Paradise.

So Osama bin Laden gets tortured and then goes to paradise in heaven forever but someone who is kind-hearted, helpful to the poor and needy, but an atheist gets tortured forever?
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1/29/2013 12:12:56 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/28/2013 5:30:43 PM, Fatihah wrote:
At 1/28/2013 1:35:31 PM, tkubok wrote:
Do Muslims believe that other Muslims who commit terrorist acts, get to go to heaven? Its just something ive been wondering about.

Response: Any person who believes in Allah goes to Paradise in the Hereafter. However, that does not mean that a person who commits serious crimes does not spend time in Hell first before being lifted to Paradise. So a terrorists will be punished in the Hereafter, but a terrorist that repents will be punished in the Hereafter but will eventually go to Paradise.

What happens to people who died before Mohamed was born or existed very far from Mecca and never heard about Allah, for example the Greeks or Aztec people? What does the Koran actually say about this specific situation?

Harry.
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1/29/2013 1:30:02 PM
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At 1/29/2013 12:12:56 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
What happens to people who died before Mohamed was born or existed very far from Mecca and never heard about Allah, for example the Greeks or Aztec people? What does the Koran actually say about this specific situation?
Very obvious: There is no need for God to punish them. He judges unbelief and disbelief differently. (The latter is rejection of Faith.) "And We never punish until We have sent a Messenger." [Quran 17:15]
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1/29/2013 2:06:09 PM
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At 1/29/2013 12:12:56 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:


What happens to people who died before Mohamed was born or existed very far from Mecca and never heard about Allah, for example the Greeks or Aztec people? What does the Koran actually say about this specific situation?

Harry.

Response: All people are sent a Messenger. So even the Greeks and Aztecs knew of Allah. However, all the Messengers are not mentioned.

But even if for some reason, someone has never heard of Allah, a person can still be granted paradise by not rejecting Allah. In other words, if an Aztec never heard of Allah, then he/she is still considered for paradise because they never rejected Allah.
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1/29/2013 3:19:05 PM
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At 1/29/2013 8:41:30 AM, AlwaysMoreThanYou wrote:
At 1/28/2013 8:08:53 PM, Wnope wrote:
At 1/28/2013 7:29:29 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 1/28/2013 7:19:06 PM, Fatihah wrote:
At 1/28/2013 6:28:24 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 1/28/2013 5:30:43 PM, Fatihah wrote:
At 1/28/2013 1:35:31 PM, tkubok wrote:
Do Muslims believe that other Muslims who commit terrorist acts, get to go to heaven? Its just something ive been wondering about.

Response: Any person who believes in Allah goes to Paradise in the Hereafter. However, that does not mean that a person who commits serious crimes does not spend time in Hell first before being lifted to Paradise. So a terrorists will be punished in the Hereafter, but a terrorist that repents will be punished in the Hereafter but will eventually go to Paradise.

what if a terrorist believes in allah but does not repent?

Response: Then the terrorist will be punished in the Hereafter, then granted Paradise. Simply put, anyone who believes in Allah is granted Paradise.

So even if they do not repent, they would still enter heaven? So a terrorist who kills a thousand people and think hes done good, still gets to enter heaven?

"Still gets to enter heaven" after thousands of years of torture/pain. Hopefully that will lead to attitude change.

There doesn't seem to be much of a motive to engage in terrorism if all you get for your troubles is punishment, unless you're in it for the temporal gains.

From what I hear, suicide bombers, at least, usually aren't in it for the heaven. They're doing it for quite earthly reasons, like protecting their religious community from an apparent aggressor religion.

The higher-ups (who only give orders) are almost always doing it based on religious principles of what ought to be, not necessarily what will benefit them in this or the next life.

You might as well ask whether an Christian solider who kills innocent civilians but feels good about it goes to heaven.
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1/29/2013 3:20:18 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/29/2013 12:12:56 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
At 1/28/2013 5:30:43 PM, Fatihah wrote:
At 1/28/2013 1:35:31 PM, tkubok wrote:
Do Muslims believe that other Muslims who commit terrorist acts, get to go to heaven? Its just something ive been wondering about.

Response: Any person who believes in Allah goes to Paradise in the Hereafter. However, that does not mean that a person who commits serious crimes does not spend time in Hell first before being lifted to Paradise. So a terrorists will be punished in the Hereafter, but a terrorist that repents will be punished in the Hereafter but will eventually go to Paradise.

What happens to people who died before Mohamed was born or existed very far from Mecca and never heard about Allah, for example the Greeks or Aztec people? What does the Koran actually say about this specific situation?

Harry.

Same thing that happens to every non-Christian before 0 B.C. if Christianity is true.

Same thing that happens to everyone AFTER 0 B.C. if Mithraism is true.
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1/29/2013 6:03:41 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/29/2013 3:20:18 PM, Wnope wrote:
At 1/29/2013 12:12:56 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
At 1/28/2013 5:30:43 PM, Fatihah wrote:
At 1/28/2013 1:35:31 PM, tkubok wrote:
Do Muslims believe that other Muslims who commit terrorist acts, get to go to heaven? Its just something ive been wondering about.

Response: Any person who believes in Allah goes to Paradise in the Hereafter. However, that does not mean that a person who commits serious crimes does not spend time in Hell first before being lifted to Paradise. So a terrorists will be punished in the Hereafter, but a terrorist that repents will be punished in the Hereafter but will eventually go to Paradise.

What happens to people who died before Mohamed was born or existed very far from Mecca and never heard about Allah, for example the Greeks or Aztec people? What does the Koran actually say about this specific situation?

Harry.

Same thing that happens to every non-Christian before 0 B.C. if Christianity is true.

Same thing that happens to everyone AFTER 0 B.C. if Mithraism is true.

That is completely untrue - the OT and NT both reveal the concept of resurrection after death not eternal life in a state of agony.

Neither the NT nor the OT say that the dead automatically "go to heaven" or "suffer eternal punishing in hell".

Hell is not a place of torment or torture either, the Koran uses this mythical description for the same reason many Christians do - it's origins are in paganism just as festivals like Christmas and many other are.

Orthodox Judaism itself - as does the Torah - has no concept of heaven/hell because the OT says no such thing, the NT refers to "Hell" but that is the English translation of THREE different Greek words.

In the NT only Christ and James ever refer to "hell" (any of the three terms) no other writer does, none of the other epistles do - if it were such a terrifying possibility would it not have been stressed very clearly indeed?

The ridiculous concept of torturing sentient beings for eternity or any length of time is a myth and the Koran has inherited such myths from the pagan ideas and cultures that preceded it including the Greeks and later Tertullian who also invented the concept of an imortal soul - neither the OT nor NT support any such conept either.

Once the concept of imortal soul was established then the myth of eternal punishmnet crept in for how else could one deal with the unrepentant if they had an imortal soul?

The imortal soul idea gave rise to the "eternal hell fire" idea and was absorbed in the early Church and eventually the Catholic church - the Koran was penned after this myth was already firmly established and so unquestioningly incorporated it - but it is a lie and has no basis in either the OT or NT.

The creator of the universe and mankind is not the author of these perverse lies - Satan is - the truth is far more profound.

Harry.
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1/30/2013 10:27:58 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/28/2013 8:05:05 PM, Fatihah wrote:
At 1/28/2013 7:29:29 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 1/28/2013 7:19:06 PM, Fatihah wrote:
At 1/28/2013 6:28:24 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 1/28/2013 5:30:43 PM, Fatihah wrote:
At 1/28/2013 1:35:31 PM, tkubok wrote:
Do Muslims believe that other Muslims who commit terrorist acts, get to go to heaven? Its just something ive been wondering about.

Response: Any person who believes in Allah goes to Paradise in the Hereafter. However, that does not mean that a person who commits serious crimes does not spend time in Hell first before being lifted to Paradise. So a terrorists will be punished in the Hereafter, but a terrorist that repents will be punished in the Hereafter but will eventually go to Paradise.

what if a terrorist believes in allah but does not repent?

Response: Then the terrorist will be punished in the Hereafter, then granted Paradise. Simply put, anyone who believes in Allah is granted Paradise.

So even if they do not repent, they would still enter heaven? So a terrorist who kills a thousand people and think hes done good, still gets to enter heaven?

Response: If they do not repent, but believe in Allah, they will still enter Paradise. All believers enter Paradise. That is the mercy of Allah. However, they will be punished in the Hereafter before entering Paradise.

While the victims of his terrorism burn in hell for not believing in Allah? That sounds very merciful of him.
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1/30/2013 10:29:40 AM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/29/2013 1:30:02 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 1/29/2013 12:12:56 PM, Dirty.Harry wrote:
What happens to people who died before Mohamed was born or existed very far from Mecca and never heard about Allah, for example the Greeks or Aztec people? What does the Koran actually say about this specific situation?
Very obvious: There is no need for God to punish them. He judges unbelief and disbelief differently. (The latter is rejection of Faith.) "And We never punish until We have sent a Messenger." [Quran 17:15]

So basically Muhammad screwed us all by coming?