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1/31/2013 9:07:12 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
It is my understanding that the dogma of the Catholic Church implicitly condemns recreational marijuana use when it says that non-medicinal drug use (outside of alcohol and tobacco) is a sin.

Am I correct? If I am, does this mean that justifying marijuana use (as a Catholic) would depend on justifying it from a medicinal point of view?
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1/31/2013 9:51:47 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/31/2013 9:07:12 PM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:
It is my understanding that the dogma of the Catholic Church implicitly condemns recreational marijuana use when it says that non-medicinal drug use (outside of alcohol and tobacco) is a sin.

Am I correct? If I am, does this mean that justifying marijuana use (as a Catholic) would depend on justifying it from a medicinal point of view?
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1/31/2013 10:05:56 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/31/2013 9:51:47 PM, Dogknox wrote:
At 1/31/2013 9:07:12 PM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:
It is my understanding that the dogma of the Catholic Church implicitly condemns recreational marijuana use when it says that non-medicinal drug use (outside of alcohol and tobacco) is a sin.

Am I correct? If I am, does this mean that justifying marijuana use (as a Catholic) would depend on justifying it from a medicinal point of view?
GarretKadeDupre T.H.I.N.K.!!!!

You can't fool God!
You act like a little kid; Pushing your supper dish under the table for your dog to clean off!!

What does your heart say to you!!!?
What do you think is right!!!??
1 Corinthians 6:19
Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own

GarretKadeDupre What did the verse say?? (above) What do you think it says.. Search your heart before you reply!!

Dogknox

Dude, I'm not trying to justify personal marijuana use. I'm posing this question to get clarification on dogma.

You didn't even tell me if I was right or wrong about the CCC's position.
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1/31/2013 10:16:16 PM
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Dogknox is right, as always.
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1/31/2013 10:21:09 PM
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At 1/31/2013 10:16:16 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
Dogknox is right, as always.

And glory to Catknox in the highest.
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1/31/2013 10:21:39 PM
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At 1/31/2013 10:16:16 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
Dogknox is right, as always.

Oh. My. God.

If you don't give me an answer, I'm going to outside and smoke a pound right now. How's it feel, knowing the responsibility for my damnation is on your hands!?
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1/31/2013 10:23:14 PM
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2291 The use of drugs inflicts very grave damage on human health and life. Their use, except on strictly therapeutic grounds, is a grave offense.

There.
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1/31/2013 10:25:39 PM
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At 1/31/2013 10:23:14 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
2291 The use of drugs inflicts very grave damage on human health and life. Their use, except on strictly therapeutic grounds, is a grave offense.

There.

So it's a grave offense to take part of Jesus' blood at Mass? Or is it considered strictly therapeutic grounds?
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1/31/2013 10:27:53 PM
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At 1/31/2013 10:25:39 PM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:
At 1/31/2013 10:23:14 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
2291 The use of drugs inflicts very grave damage on human health and life. Their use, except on strictly therapeutic grounds, is a grave offense.

There.

So it's a grave offense to take part of Jesus' blood at Mass? Or is it considered strictly therapeutic grounds?

Wine is not a drug as I define it.
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1/31/2013 10:28:22 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/31/2013 10:25:39 PM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:
At 1/31/2013 10:23:14 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
2291 The use of drugs inflicts very grave damage on human health and life. Their use, except on strictly therapeutic grounds, is a grave offense.

There.

So it's a grave offense to take part of Jesus' blood at Mass? Or is it considered strictly therapeutic grounds?

That would be alcohol. And we believe it to be transubstantiated as the blood of Christ, even if it's chemically wine.
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1/31/2013 10:30:10 PM
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At 1/31/2013 10:28:22 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
At 1/31/2013 10:25:39 PM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:
At 1/31/2013 10:23:14 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
2291 The use of drugs inflicts very grave damage on human health and life. Their use, except on strictly therapeutic grounds, is a grave offense.

There.

So it's a grave offense to take part of Jesus' blood at Mass? Or is it considered strictly therapeutic grounds?

That would be alcohol. And we believe it to be transubstantiated as the blood of Christ, even if it's chemically wine.

Is the liquid we drink at Mass wine or not?
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1/31/2013 10:31:36 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/31/2013 10:30:10 PM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:
At 1/31/2013 10:28:22 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
At 1/31/2013 10:25:39 PM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:
At 1/31/2013 10:23:14 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
2291 The use of drugs inflicts very grave damage on human health and life. Their use, except on strictly therapeutic grounds, is a grave offense.

There.

So it's a grave offense to take part of Jesus' blood at Mass? Or is it considered strictly therapeutic grounds?

That would be alcohol. And we believe it to be transubstantiated as the blood of Christ, even if it's chemically wine.

Is the liquid we drink at Mass wine or not?

It is not wine in substance. Chemically, it is wine, but its substance is the blood of Christ.
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1/31/2013 10:31:37 PM
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At 1/31/2013 10:23:14 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
2291 The use of drugs inflicts very grave damage on human health and life. Their use, except on strictly therapeutic grounds, is a grave offense.

There.

What is a drug? If it's anything that alters state of consciousness then we'd have to include wine and alcohol. No one has ever died from OD'ing on marijuana. Occasional marijuana is essentially harmless.
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1/31/2013 10:32:28 PM
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At 1/31/2013 10:31:37 PM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
At 1/31/2013 10:23:14 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
2291 The use of drugs inflicts very grave damage on human health and life. Their use, except on strictly therapeutic grounds, is a grave offense.

There.

What is a drug? If it's anything that alters state of consciousness then we'd have to include wine and alcohol. No one has ever died from OD'ing on marijuana. Occasional marijuana is essentially harmless.

It's not a very definite term, I agree. But I doubt the Catholic Church would include alcohol as a drug.
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1/31/2013 10:32:40 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/31/2013 9:07:12 PM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:
It is my understanding that the dogma of the Catholic Church implicitly condemns recreational marijuana use when it says that non-medicinal drug use (outside of alcohol and tobacco) is a sin.

Am I correct? If I am, does this mean that justifying marijuana use (as a Catholic) would depend on justifying it from a medicinal point of view?

If you take opiates for a leg injury, it's not sinful. If you take opiates because you're bored, it is. The substance itself in most cases is not determinate.
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1/31/2013 10:34:15 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/31/2013 10:31:36 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
At 1/31/2013 10:30:10 PM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:
At 1/31/2013 10:28:22 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
At 1/31/2013 10:25:39 PM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:
At 1/31/2013 10:23:14 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
2291 The use of drugs inflicts very grave damage on human health and life. Their use, except on strictly therapeutic grounds, is a grave offense.

There.

So it's a grave offense to take part of Jesus' blood at Mass? Or is it considered strictly therapeutic grounds?

That would be alcohol. And we believe it to be transubstantiated as the blood of Christ, even if it's chemically wine.

Is the liquid we drink at Mass wine or not?

It is not wine in substance. Chemically, it is wine, but its substance is the blood of Christ.

Is the liquid we drink at Mass wine or not?

yes [ ]
no [ ]
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1/31/2013 10:36:36 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/31/2013 10:34:15 PM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:
At 1/31/2013 10:31:36 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
At 1/31/2013 10:30:10 PM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:
At 1/31/2013 10:28:22 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
At 1/31/2013 10:25:39 PM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:
At 1/31/2013 10:23:14 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
2291 The use of drugs inflicts very grave damage on human health and life. Their use, except on strictly therapeutic grounds, is a grave offense.

There.

So it's a grave offense to take part of Jesus' blood at Mass? Or is it considered strictly therapeutic grounds?

That would be alcohol. And we believe it to be transubstantiated as the blood of Christ, even if it's chemically wine.

Is the liquid we drink at Mass wine or not?

It is not wine in substance. Chemically, it is wine, but its substance is the blood of Christ.

Is the liquid we drink at Mass wine or not?

yes [ ]
no [ ]

One must distinguish between the liquid's accidental properties and essential properties. The liquid we drink at Mass is essentially the blood of Christ, but accidentally wine. So, no, the liquid we drink at Mass is not wine, though it's accidentally wine through its color, taste, etc.
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1/31/2013 10:37:26 PM
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At 1/31/2013 10:32:28 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
At 1/31/2013 10:31:37 PM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
At 1/31/2013 10:23:14 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
2291 The use of drugs inflicts very grave damage on human health and life. Their use, except on strictly therapeutic grounds, is a grave offense.

There.

What is a drug? If it's anything that alters state of consciousness then we'd have to include wine and alcohol. No one has ever died from OD'ing on marijuana. Occasional marijuana is essentially harmless.

It's not a very definite term, I agree. But I doubt the Catholic Church would include alcohol as a drug.

I briefly researched and there's a multitude of views. I'd honestly have to know more about Catholic doctrine to come to a firm conclusion.

Alcohol outranks marijuana on almost every measure of destructiveness: Addiction potential, deaths, and certainly potential for mind alteration/destruction of rationality in a single episode of consumption. I could cite studies if you're skeptical, but if first hand experience counts for anything...
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1/31/2013 10:39:07 PM
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At 1/31/2013 10:37:26 PM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
At 1/31/2013 10:32:28 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
At 1/31/2013 10:31:37 PM, OMGJustinBieber wrote:
At 1/31/2013 10:23:14 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
2291 The use of drugs inflicts very grave damage on human health and life. Their use, except on strictly therapeutic grounds, is a grave offense.

There.

What is a drug? If it's anything that alters state of consciousness then we'd have to include wine and alcohol. No one has ever died from OD'ing on marijuana. Occasional marijuana is essentially harmless.

It's not a very definite term, I agree. But I doubt the Catholic Church would include alcohol as a drug.

I briefly researched and there's a multitude of views. I'd honestly have to know more about Catholic doctrine to come to a firm conclusion.

I would, too. I'm not familiar with this side of the Catechism.

Alcohol outranks marijuana on almost every measure of destructiveness: Addiction potential, deaths, and certainly potential for mind alteration/destruction of rationality in a single episode of consumption. I could cite studies if you're skeptical, but if first hand experience counts for anything...

I believe you.
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1/31/2013 10:40:11 PM
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At 1/31/2013 10:38:08 PM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:
According to the CCC, is it a sin for me to smoke a tobacco cigar?

I thought that verse was pretty straightforward, Garret.
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1/31/2013 10:44:01 PM
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At 1/31/2013 10:40:11 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
At 1/31/2013 10:38:08 PM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:
According to the CCC, is it a sin for me to smoke a tobacco cigar?

I thought that verse was pretty straightforward, Garret.

Try to ignore my obvious trolling and just answer the question for debates's sake:

Is it a sin to smoke tobacco?
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1/31/2013 10:44:41 PM
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At 1/31/2013 10:44:01 PM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:
At 1/31/2013 10:40:11 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
At 1/31/2013 10:38:08 PM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:
According to the CCC, is it a sin for me to smoke a tobacco cigar?

I thought that verse was pretty straightforward, Garret.

Try to ignore my obvious trolling and just answer the question for debates's sake:

Is it a sin to smoke tobacco?

Repeatedly and with conscious knowledge of harming your body, yes.
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1/31/2013 10:45:47 PM
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At 1/31/2013 10:44:41 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
At 1/31/2013 10:44:01 PM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:
At 1/31/2013 10:40:11 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
At 1/31/2013 10:38:08 PM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:
According to the CCC, is it a sin for me to smoke a tobacco cigar?

I thought that verse was pretty straightforward, Garret.

Try to ignore my obvious trolling and just answer the question for debates's sake:

Is it a sin to smoke tobacco?

Repeatedly and with conscious knowledge of harming your body, yes.

So if I believe marijuana is physically harmless, it isn't a sin for me to take a puff?
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1/31/2013 10:47:02 PM
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At 1/31/2013 10:45:47 PM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:
At 1/31/2013 10:44:41 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
At 1/31/2013 10:44:01 PM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:
At 1/31/2013 10:40:11 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
At 1/31/2013 10:38:08 PM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:
According to the CCC, is it a sin for me to smoke a tobacco cigar?

I thought that verse was pretty straightforward, Garret.

Try to ignore my obvious trolling and just answer the question for debates's sake:

Is it a sin to smoke tobacco?

Repeatedly and with conscious knowledge of harming your body, yes.

So if I believe marijuana is physically harmless, it isn't a sin for me to take a puff?

It's still a sin, but I don't believe it carries as much weight as if you were consciously sinning.
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1/31/2013 10:49:58 PM
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At 1/31/2013 10:47:02 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
At 1/31/2013 10:45:47 PM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:
At 1/31/2013 10:44:41 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
At 1/31/2013 10:44:01 PM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:
At 1/31/2013 10:40:11 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
At 1/31/2013 10:38:08 PM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:
According to the CCC, is it a sin for me to smoke a tobacco cigar?

I thought that verse was pretty straightforward, Garret.

Try to ignore my obvious trolling and just answer the question for debates's sake:

Is it a sin to smoke tobacco?

Repeatedly and with conscious knowledge of harming your body, yes.

So if I believe marijuana is physically harmless, it isn't a sin for me to take a puff?

It's still a sin, but I don't believe it carries as much weight as if you were consciously sinning.

O.k., I'm not even playing devil's advocate anymore-- I'm pretty damn sure that, with the exception of Original Sin, it's impossible to sin without consciously doing it.
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1/31/2013 10:51:53 PM
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At 1/31/2013 10:49:58 PM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:
At 1/31/2013 10:47:02 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
At 1/31/2013 10:45:47 PM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:
At 1/31/2013 10:44:41 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
At 1/31/2013 10:44:01 PM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:
At 1/31/2013 10:40:11 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
At 1/31/2013 10:38:08 PM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:
According to the CCC, is it a sin for me to smoke a tobacco cigar?

I thought that verse was pretty straightforward, Garret.

Try to ignore my obvious trolling and just answer the question for debates's sake:

Is it a sin to smoke tobacco?

Repeatedly and with conscious knowledge of harming your body, yes.

So if I believe marijuana is physically harmless, it isn't a sin for me to take a puff?

It's still a sin, but I don't believe it carries as much weight as if you were consciously sinning.

O.k., I'm not even playing devil's advocate anymore-- I'm pretty damn sure that, with the exception of Original Sin, it's impossible to sin without consciously doing it.

I don't think that's true, sorry. Moral law is moral law, whether you're aware of it or not.
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1/31/2013 10:54:59 PM
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At 1/31/2013 10:51:53 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
At 1/31/2013 10:49:58 PM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:
At 1/31/2013 10:47:02 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
At 1/31/2013 10:45:47 PM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:
At 1/31/2013 10:44:41 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
At 1/31/2013 10:44:01 PM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:
At 1/31/2013 10:40:11 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
At 1/31/2013 10:38:08 PM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:
According to the CCC, is it a sin for me to smoke a tobacco cigar?

I thought that verse was pretty straightforward, Garret.

Try to ignore my obvious trolling and just answer the question for debates's sake:

Is it a sin to smoke tobacco?

Repeatedly and with conscious knowledge of harming your body, yes.

So if I believe marijuana is physically harmless, it isn't a sin for me to take a puff?

It's still a sin, but I don't believe it carries as much weight as if you were consciously sinning.

O.k., I'm not even playing devil's advocate anymore-- I'm pretty damn sure that, with the exception of Original Sin, it's impossible to sin without consciously doing it.

I don't think that's true, sorry. Moral law is moral law, whether you're aware of it or not.

Of course. But it isn't a sin to break moral law if you aren't conscious of doing it.
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1/31/2013 10:57:14 PM
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At 1/31/2013 10:54:59 PM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:
At 1/31/2013 10:51:53 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
At 1/31/2013 10:49:58 PM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:
At 1/31/2013 10:47:02 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
At 1/31/2013 10:45:47 PM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:
At 1/31/2013 10:44:41 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
At 1/31/2013 10:44:01 PM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:
At 1/31/2013 10:40:11 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
At 1/31/2013 10:38:08 PM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:
According to the CCC, is it a sin for me to smoke a tobacco cigar?

I thought that verse was pretty straightforward, Garret.

Try to ignore my obvious trolling and just answer the question for debates's sake:

Is it a sin to smoke tobacco?

Repeatedly and with conscious knowledge of harming your body, yes.

So if I believe marijuana is physically harmless, it isn't a sin for me to take a puff?

It's still a sin, but I don't believe it carries as much weight as if you were consciously sinning.

O.k., I'm not even playing devil's advocate anymore-- I'm pretty damn sure that, with the exception of Original Sin, it's impossible to sin without consciously doing it.

I don't think that's true, sorry. Moral law is moral law, whether you're aware of it or not.

Of course. But it isn't a sin to break moral law if you aren't conscious of doing it.

Since neither of us seem to know what we're talking about, we'll just leave it at a difference of opinion.
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1/31/2013 10:58:40 PM
Posted: 3 years ago
At 1/31/2013 10:57:14 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
At 1/31/2013 10:54:59 PM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:
At 1/31/2013 10:51:53 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
At 1/31/2013 10:49:58 PM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:
At 1/31/2013 10:47:02 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
At 1/31/2013 10:45:47 PM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:
At 1/31/2013 10:44:41 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
At 1/31/2013 10:44:01 PM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:
At 1/31/2013 10:40:11 PM, Nur-Ab-Sal wrote:
At 1/31/2013 10:38:08 PM, GarretKadeDupre wrote:
According to the CCC, is it a sin for me to smoke a tobacco cigar?

I thought that verse was pretty straightforward, Garret.

Try to ignore my obvious trolling and just answer the question for debates's sake:

Is it a sin to smoke tobacco?

Repeatedly and with conscious knowledge of harming your body, yes.

So if I believe marijuana is physically harmless, it isn't a sin for me to take a puff?

It's still a sin, but I don't believe it carries as much weight as if you were consciously sinning.

O.k., I'm not even playing devil's advocate anymore-- I'm pretty damn sure that, with the exception of Original Sin, it's impossible to sin without consciously doing it.

I don't think that's true, sorry. Moral law is moral law, whether you're aware of it or not.

Of course. But it isn't a sin to break moral law if you aren't conscious of doing it.

Since neither of us seem to know what we're talking about, we'll just leave it at a difference of opinion.

Wow. That's your grand 1000th post? Admitting you don't know what you're talking about? O.o
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